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Veronica Waters	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:07:00 - [1] How many of you are scrambling to setup alchemy towers? Prices on rare end minerals are going out of control. T2 ships will become extinct in a month. Has anyone contacted any high end mercs to conquer Cadmium moons?!
joan arcangel	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:10:00 - [2] Originally by: Veronica Waters How many of you are scrambling to setup alchemy towers? Prices on rare end minerals are going out of control. T2 ships will become extinct in a month. Has anyone contacted any high end mercs to conquer Cadmium moons?! lol sorry but next to no-one will paint a target on they back and answer yes to this.. check the BOB topic out
Arous Drephius Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:30:00 - [3] Confirming that I am setting up alchemy towers for to maek profits.
Wadaya Caldari Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:38:00 - [4] And we had the foresight to stock up on cheap heavy water and helium isotopes before the huge spike that will happen this weekend.
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:32:00 - [5] Edited by: KISOGOKU on 05/02/2009 20:32:43 I here by can comfirm state protectorate started setting up alchemy towers
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:52:00 - [6] I've got eight large towers cranking in the Rancer system. The nice thing about dead end systems like that. Nobody ever comes by, so you don't need to anchor any weapons. And with gallente towers, you can run those things forever before you need to empty the silos.
ResearchBunny Beatrix	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Tasko Pal I've got eight large towers cranking in the Rancer system. The nice thing about dead end systems like that. Nobody ever comes by, so you don't need to anchor any weapons. And with gallente towers, you can run those things forever before you need to empty the silos. Confirming that Tasko gave me a cookie and a free puppy when I stopped by to say hi.
Captain Moustache	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:39:00 - [8] I'm actually curious to see if people think Alchemy is worthwhile now. I heard the break even point for dyspro was 150k - we've smashed through that so I imagine alchemy POS spamming is the FOTM.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2009.02.06 00:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Captain Moustache I'm actually curious to see if people think Alchemy is worthwhile now. I heard the break even point for dyspro was 150k - we've smashed through that so I imagine alchemy POS spamming is the FOTM. Well that is just it. It is a horrendous and miserable mechanic CCP foisted on us. Really it is a cap if Dyspro (or others) goes waaaay overboard which it pretty much is. Of course then all this Alchemy stuff will hit and it'll stabilize again at just around the break-even point. I really cannot begin to say how lousy Alchemy is...CCP hates industrialists I think. Just awful...
Captain Moustache	Posted - 2009.02.06 12:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Captain Moustache I'm actually curious to see if people think Alchemy is worthwhile now. I heard the break even point for dyspro was 150k - we've smashed through that so I imagine alchemy POS spamming is the FOTM. Well that is just it. It is a horrendous and miserable mechanic CCP foisted on us. Really it is a cap if Dyspro (or others) goes waaaay overboard which it pretty much is. Of course then all this Alchemy stuff will hit and it'll stabilize again at just around the break-even point. I really cannot begin to say how lousy Alchemy is...CCP hates industrialists I think. Just awful... I agree that alchemy is a PITA - but I'm a small time industrial warlord - so I guess making 5% ghetto alchemy dysprosium is better than paying eleventy thousand percent more on real dysprosium. Maybe tech 2 moon harvesters will come out already. Or maybe tech 3 can completely remove my hunger for T2 bad-ass-edness.
IonHammer Minmatar Black Avatar Lost Sheep Domain	Posted - 2009.02.06 13:24:00 - [11] when hac\s hit low 200's and covert ops cloaks hit 50 mill plus there will still be a shoit bunch sold. If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2009.02.06 14:18:00 - [12] Edited by: Omarvelous on 06/02/2009 14:20:34 It'll will certainly make me think twice about what ships I'm bringing on a roam - losing a T2 ship will put a much larger dent in the wallet. They really need to eliminate insurance for all ships in eve, so at least losing a T1 ship is painful too - people usually pick a Brutix over a Deimos for this reason.
Seb Balaak	Posted - 2009.02.06 14:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Captain Moustache I agree that alchemy is a PITA - but I'm a small time industrial warlord - so I guess making 5% ghetto alchemy dysprosium is better than paying eleventy thousand percent more on real dysprosium. lol, and of course, minerals you mine are free, don't ever forget that golden nugget of wisdom...
Veronica Waters	Posted - 2009.02.06 14:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Seb Balaak Originally by: Captain Moustache I agree that alchemy is a PITA - but I'm a small time industrial warlord - so I guess making 5% ghetto alchemy dysprosium is better than paying eleventy thousand percent more on real dysprosium. lol, and of course, minerals you mine are free, don't ever forget that golden nugget of wisdom... When dysprosium goes over 150,000 per unit alchemy beats the breakeven point of the opportunity cost, so take your nugget of wisdom and dunk it in some sauce!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.06 14:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Captain Moustache I agree that alchemy is a PITA - but I'm a small time industrial warlord - so I guess making 5% ghetto alchemy dysprosium is better than paying eleventy thousand percent more on real dysprosium. Some back-of-envelope-with-a-crayon calculations... ignoring manhours put into it which DO matter in the end... Assume dyspro is 200k, cadmium is 5k for simplicity. aprox 80 mil/month fuel cost / 720ticks/month = aprox 111k per hour fuel cost 100 dyspro and 100 hafnium plus one hour fuel cost -> 200 ferrofluid 100 cadmium and (100-95)=5 hafnium plus one hour fuel cost -> 10 ferrofluid 2000 cadmium and 100 hafnium plus 20 hours fueld cost -> 200 ferrofluid 100 dyspro + 1 hour fuel = 2000 cadmium + 20 hours fuel 1 dyspro = 20 cadmium + 0.19 hours fuel 200k ISK for dyspro... vs 20x5k for cadmium + 21k for fuel + whatever your time is worth So 200k or whatever dysprosium will end up costing soon enough... vs 121k + your time value per unit. I fail to see where that "eleventy thousand percent" would allegedly come from. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Psydney	Posted - 2009.02.06 15:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Akita T Impressive mathmagician numbers Well 200k per unit in dyspro cost vs 121k per unit in cadmium alchemy costs. If you're a 'small time industrial warlord' as the Captain, then it would be worthwhile to just make a little alchemized dyspro and sell whatever T2 ships his cute little factory can pump out... A larger op that would need significant dypsro would probably not mess with the hassle of mutiple alchemy reactors.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.06 15:56:00 - [17] You two are missing one minor, crucial piece of the puzzle. Alchemy lets big alliances manufacture in 0.0 vs having to haul from Jita. Running 20 towers instead of 1 is no big deal, they do it to hold sov right now anyway. So while the current alchemy implementation (like the direct PLEX sale) is pure fail from a profitability standpoint it's incorrect to say nobody will do it and that it will not impact demand. Of raw and finished product alike.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.06 15:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Clair Bear You two are missing one minor, crucial piece of the puzzle. Alchemy lets big alliances manufacture in 0.0 vs having to haul from Jita. Running 20 towers instead of 1 is no big deal, they do it to hold sov right now anyway. So while the current alchemy implementation (like the direct PLEX sale) is pure fail from a profitability standpoint it's incorrect to say nobody will do it and that it will not impact demand. Of raw and finished product alike. Interesting point here. When people talk about costs, we just don't mean monetary costs but opportunity costs. Is it quicker to just do alchemy so that instead of running escorts or piloting a freighter, those pilots can do patrols or manage other aspects of production? True cost (the sum of money and time) may not be that different between alchemy and just (spending the money)buying the stuff and (spending the time)shipping it in. EBANK Staff \| www.eve-bank.net
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.06 16:02:00 - [19] Possible Clair, but to be perfectly frank. If you're holding sov and running 20 towers, chances are pretty high you have a dyspro moon or four in there already. Hell there are 4 towers right now going into reinforced as we speak that have R64s with the requisite reactionary materials not even a jump or two away.

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