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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:07:00 -
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Most of it is now official oligopolized with PL and Goons treaty and they give ridiculous amount of isk.
Nerf must come with inferno in may otherwise leaving it for another half a year will screw up balance even more. It is time to act NOW.
In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons.
It is ridiculous situation. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
232
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:08:00 -
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Whats is "oligopolized"? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3423
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:08:00 -
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It was "time" to nerf Tech 18 months ago but yeah. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:10:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Whats is "oligopolized"?
I derived this form from Oligopoly. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:14:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Most of it is now official oligopolized with PL and Goons treaty and they give ridiculous amount of isk.
Nerf must come with inferno in may otherwise leaving it for another half a year will screw up balance even more. It is time to act NOW.
In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons.
It is ridiculous situation. Titans were balanced, remember? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:22:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Most of it is now official oligopolized with PL and Goons treaty and they give ridiculous amount of isk.
Nerf must come with inferno in may otherwise leaving it for another half a year will screw up balance even more. It is time to act NOW.
In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons.
It is ridiculous situation. Titans were balanced, remember? There's all these counters to a supercap fleet ...
Shut up even your king admitted tech needs a nerf.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6221
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:29:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Titans were balanced, remember? There's all these counters to a supercap fleet ... Shut up even your king admitted tech needs a nerf. GǪand that supercaps needed to be fixed because they had no real counters. So, you never knowGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:29:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Most of it is now official oligopolized with PL and Goons treaty and they give ridiculous amount of isk.
Nerf must come with inferno in may otherwise leaving it for another half a year will screw up balance even more. It is time to act NOW.
In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons.
It is ridiculous situation. Titans were balanced, remember? There's all these counters to a supercap fleet ... Shut up even your king admitted tech needs a nerf. Yes, he said that.
The pubbies were saying others had more than we did. But yes, it should be nerfed, this was already agreed by everyone.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
28
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:32:00 -
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I am in agreement.
Make r32 alchemy as a first stage bandage to the problem, then introduce ring mining if necessary.
Alliance taxes would be a nice replacement for current moon goo passive income as alliances will have to actually depend on their playerbase.
Eventually this is going to be done anyways so why wait. Implement it soon so the current supply of supercaps can be ground down.
End the stagnation of nullsec. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:35:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Most of it is now official oligopolized with PL and Goons treaty and they give ridiculous amount of isk.
Nerf must come with inferno in may otherwise leaving it for another half a year will screw up balance even more. It is time to act NOW.
In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons.
It is ridiculous situation.
just leave, like anyone cares |
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Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:36:00 -
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Shouldn't be nerfed, should be redistributed :/ The pie is a tautology |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:37:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:Implement it soon so the current supply of supercaps can be ground down. Yes, this will definitely help! Death to all the supercaps !
Will be interesting to see how things change with a greater need to mine for the highends that are used to make supercaps. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Sin Meng
Synergetics
64
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:48:00 -
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Soundwave said at fanfest he'd like to see moon goo given to active mining activities (read: ring mining) than keep it as a passive ATM for alliance brass like it is now. This will likely be addressed after Inferno. Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either. |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
28
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:53:00 -
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Sin Meng wrote:Soundwave said at fanfest he'd like to see moon goo given to active mining activities (read: ring mining) than keep it as a passive ATM for alliance brass like it is now. This will likely be addressed after Inferno.
The CSM mentioned r32 moon alchemy and alliance taxes far before that.
Comet mining was the first concept of the idea of mining moon minerals with your ship and that was back before dominion.
r32 alchemy already works with r64 moons, no need to make a new mechanic.
If r32 alchemy can't handle it, THEN add ring mining for moon minerals. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:56:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:Sin Meng wrote:Soundwave said at fanfest he'd like to see moon goo given to active mining activities (read: ring mining) than keep it as a passive ATM for alliance brass like it is now. This will likely be addressed after Inferno. The CSM mentioned r32 moon alchemy and alliance taxes far before that. Comet mining was the first concept of the idea of mining moon minerals with your ship and that was back before dominion. r32 alchemy already works with r64 moons, no need to make a new mechanic. If r32 alchemy can't handle it all, THEN add ring mining for moon minerals. The first sounds like a good idea. All about living in your space, right?
I don't know about the second, I guess alliances would nationalize if it was profitable, then it's like ATMs that need a moneychanger.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3423
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:08:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:Sin Meng wrote:Soundwave said at fanfest he'd like to see moon goo given to active mining activities (read: ring mining) than keep it as a passive ATM for alliance brass like it is now. This will likely be addressed after Inferno. The CSM mentioned r32 moon alchemy and alliance taxes far before that. Comet mining was the first concept of the idea of mining moon minerals with your ship and that was back before dominion. r32 alchemy already works with r64 moons, no need to make a new mechanic. If r32 alchemy can't handle it all, THEN add ring mining for moon minerals.
Why not add Ring Mining THEN consider R32 alchemy if that doesn't work?
ISK should go to players who log in and do stuff Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
294
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:17:00 -
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the reason ccp has taken so long to try to fix technetium is someone explained bottlenecking to them and that it's impossible to balance moon mins in the way they want with the current system, and so they've had to come up with a new one |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
556
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:17:00 -
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Then hisec incursions need to be removed too. No player should be able to make 20 to 30 billion isk a month easily and risk free in hisec. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:18:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Then hisec incursions need to be removed too. No player should be able to make 20 to 30 billion isk a month easily and risk free in hisec.
Yes but incursion are getting first stage of nerf and bandages just 3 days from now , while tech moons suppose to be left at least for another 6 months to bleed eve of meaningful experience. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
556
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:22:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Then hisec incursions need to be removed too. No player should be able to make 20 to 30 billion isk a month easily and risk free in hisec. Yes but incursion are getting first stage of nerf and bandages just 3 days from now , while tech moons suppose to be left at least for another 6 months to bleed eve of meaningful experience.
How are they bleeding Eve of meaningful experience? Does that mean you are one of the people in an alliance that doesnt hold any? They arnt even that important in reality. You know you can make billions with a couple of sets of reaction moons anyway right? Its not as though alliances are given the moons, they fight to take tehm, and fight to keep them on a daily basis and teh isk from them is used on literally thousands of players upkeep in alliances. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:26:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Then hisec incursions need to be removed too. No player should be able to make 20 to 30 billion isk a month easily and risk free in hisec. Yes but incursion are getting first stage of nerf and bandages just 3 days from now , while tech moons suppose to be left at least for another 6 months to bleed eve of meaningful experience. How are they bleeding Eve of meaningful experience? Does that mean you are one of the people in an alliance that doesnt hold any? They arnt even that important in reality. You know you can make billions with a couple of sets of reaction moons anyway right? Its not as though alliances are given the moons, they fight to take tehm, and fight to keep them on a daily basis and teh isk from them is used on literally thousands of players upkeep in alliances. I actually always thought they were fairly big things, goes to show how accutare EVE-O forums are.
Not like I'd find out by asking the people who do it, probably way too complicated for me to understand all the logistics of it. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
28
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:46:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Why not add Ring Mining THEN consider R32 alchemy if that doesn't work?
ISK should go to players who log in and do stuff
r32 alchemy comes first because it is much easier and less costly to implement as compared to making a completely new mining mechanic.
The mechanics needed for r32 alchemy already exist in the game. What is left to do is some math and adding the new alchemy reactions to the game.
If r32 alchemy doesn't dissolve the bottleneck enough, then add the new mining mechanic for moon minerals.
Got to go after the low-hanging fruit first. |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
28
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:01:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Then hisec incursions need to be removed too. No player should be able to make 20 to 30 billion isk a month easily and risk free in hisec.
And do such players give their isk voluntarily to their alliance, most don't. Sure, there are a few out there that will give their wealth to keep an alliance going, but such an alliance isn't going to be very competitive with one that doesn't rely on such charity.
A player will whine and moan when you take their isk from them (delicious tearz), but a moon doesn't complain when you take it's precious minerals from it. A moon is a far more reliable source of income than most players.
When the care bears of an alliance get ganked by the enemy does the alliance head really care, no... not really. When their trusty tech moon is under attack does the alliance head really care, maybe... that's when the supers typically come out to play.
Does an alliance care that you make 20 bil isk a month, no. Does an alliance care when you attack their tech moon, maybe. |
Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
287
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:10:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote: It is time to act NOW.
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It is ridiculous situation.
Well there you have it. "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini |
Leza Bo ManHater
Pyramid Celestial
23
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:13:00 -
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posting in a boohoo i dont know how to make isk so i will complain about tech thread |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:16:00 -
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Leza Bo ManHater wrote:posting in a boohoo i dont know how to make isk so i will complain about tech thread
Not empty quoting stupid troll |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:17:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:
How are they bleeding Eve of meaningful experience? Does that mean you are one of the people in an alliance that doesnt hold any? They arnt even that important in reality. You know you can make billions with a couple of sets of reaction moons anyway right? Its not as though alliances are given the moons, they fight to take tehm, and fight to keep them on a daily basis and teh isk from them is used on literally thousands of players upkeep in alliances.
Lear to read !!!!
In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
558
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:23:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Rico Minali wrote:
How are they bleeding Eve of meaningful experience? Does that mean you are one of the people in an alliance that doesnt hold any? They arnt even that important in reality. You know you can make billions with a couple of sets of reaction moons anyway right? Its not as though alliances are given the moons, they fight to take tehm, and fight to keep them on a daily basis and teh isk from them is used on literally thousands of players upkeep in alliances.
Lear to read !!!! In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons. In order for alliance to fight for tech moon they need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet alliances need to have tech moons.
Really? We dont have a huge supercap fleet yet we have quite a nice supply of tech moons. Most moons are taken using conventional (but very large) subcap fleets. I know, Ive been on many pos takedowns as well as defences. Clearly you havnt.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
28
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:26:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:They arnt even that important in reality.
Rico Minali wrote: they fight to take tehm, and fight to keep them on a daily basis and teh isk from them is used on literally thousands of players upkeep in alliances.
Contradicting statements? I think so. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
558
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:32:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:Rico Minali wrote:They arnt even that important in reality. Rico Minali wrote: they fight to take tehm, and fight to keep them on a daily basis and teh isk from them is used on literally thousands of players upkeep in alliances. Contradicting statements? I think so.
Actually no, not if you also take into account everything else that was said rather than a nicely edited set of unrelated statements. Currently technetium is used to fund alliances simply because it is there. If you nerf it, you wont take away alliances ability to make the isk, simply change how they make that isk.
At the moment tech is the most convenient way, it isnt the only way. Same can be said for many things in eve, so if you nerf tech (and im not saying DONT nerf tech) the whiners will simply start to call for nerfs on whatever next thing becomes the way alliances support themselves.
Remember, alliances support thousands of people, they need a large income source. Its annoying how many people seem to think that alliance heads are lining some personal wallets with tens of billions of isk. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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