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randy andy
Minmatar
What Nots Club-Alts
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Posted - 2009.02.07 08:14:00 -
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(sorry this has gone on longer then i would have hoped)
i beening thinking of how to get miners into low sec/0.0
before any say i am wait easy kills wrong i am a miner/orca/rorqual polit also do missions to easy boredom..
the main problem is defence of mining ship/group..
yes i have had defence groups of pvper's/miners in figther ships the main problem there is boredom for the guards and not amount of isk and get the to guard a mining gang to often or long time..
so the barges need to defand themselfs..
so heres my i idea if a gang of barges of 5+ could lock a pvp/pirate and use they drones faster then we can defend ourself's
i am not saying a single barge should be able to beat a gang or a single figther ship
but a gang of t2 barges should be able to lock a kill the odd pirate or gang that is not equip'd to kill a t2 barge quick..
but the locking times on a t2 barge is bad for this
I would love to go to a semi quite low sec or 0.0 and mine but unless i found a system that no one else can enter, or some group of figthers that love sitting there doing next to nothing I won't cant go to those areas..
Hmm at this moment true barge miners have 4 things they can do
1> hire guards (may have no profit in this option)
2> found a unused low-sec/0.0 system (lol)
3> use a cheap frigate/crusier
4> join allaince (yea rigth like allaince wont want the profit margin/mins at cheap from the mining corp/
then why train months/years for hulk and t2 things or the orca/rorqual..
dont forget the riskvreward is very bad for miners in low sec,
0.0 can be better if the allaince allows it..
don't forget a lot of nearby o.o allaince's have mining alts in high for a reason..
but 5 t2 barge + 5 combat drones that can lock semi quick can defend themselfs agianst 2 frigates or a crusier or 2 maybe against a bs
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UnseenChaos
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Posted - 2009.02.07 08:37:00 -
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I agree that barges are somewhat fragile but having a better lock speed to get your drones on the target fast is imo not going to help alot... what I would suggest is make mining barges harder to find... I.E they dont show up on directional scan perhaps? Something along the lines of being able to hide from other players without the use of a cloaking device, just to make them more time consuming to find and kill... Or when T3 comes out perhaps have a deep space mining barge, with a greater ability to tank but not so much its going to out do combat ships but rather prolong there destruction perhaps long enough for help to arrive.
Also I should note that when/if planetary rings comes out finding barges will be harder. So kinda nulifies my idea but still its just a suggestion :)
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr
Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.07 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: mcnuggetlol on 07/02/2009 08:59:50
Here's a new ship idea:
How about a mining ship with less cargo/mining slots but more armour and has turret slots for mining in "dangerous" areas. |
randy andy
Minmatar
What Nots Club-Alts
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Posted - 2009.02.07 09:31:00 -
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 Originally by: mcnuggetlol
Edited by: mcnuggetlol on 07/02/2009 08:59:50
Here's a new ship idea:
How about a mining ship with less cargo/mining slots but more armour and has turret slots for mining in "dangerous" areas.
Hmm i think thats a battleship with turret lasers
or are you asking for the the small t2 barge to have extra stuff ?
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randy andy
Minmatar
What Nots Club-Alts
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Posted - 2009.02.07 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: UnseenChaos
I agree that barges are somewhat fragile but having a better lock speed to get your drones on the target fast is imo not going to help alot... what I would suggest is make mining barges harder to find...
a hulk can fit a semi good tank/buffer but if you cant get the drones attacking then your dead before you have locked a small ship/gang but if 5 hulks can get they drones attacking faster then this will force pvp'ers/pirates off for a while.
i am not trying to get a safe barge ship but a way to run off small ship or gang from a mining group of 5+ barges
if a big gang finds you then you die but as it is now a good solo rifter can stop a mining op in low sec of 5+ barges |
DMF KingBob
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Posted - 2009.02.07 13:59:00 -
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best joke ever--->an Miner recives killrights when his expensive-joke-taked-t2-deep-space-miningbarge gets destroyed by an enemy in low sec hahahahahaaaaaaaaa
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Irn Bruce
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:09:00 -
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It wouldn't change a thing. Carebears will be carebears. It doesn't matter how much less risky lowsec was made, they will only go there if there's perceptibly no risk. And that's not going to happen. |
DMF KingBob
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Irn Bruce
It wouldn't change a thing. Carebears will be carebears. It doesn't matter how much less risky lowsec was made, they will only go there if there's perceptibly no risk. And that's not going to happen.
and what is with guys the are no cearbears an go in to low-sec to mine there and see that it makes simple NO sense to mine there ?
and what for abilitys has a t2 miningbarge to defend his self in low sec? drones and a crap tank ???????
i mean de decryption/skills and price should mean more then that what it is atm
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ninjaholic
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:23:00 -
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If you can't beat them, join them.
And as long as you're not with them, you can't beat them.
Simply get another account, pay for it, then sit there and protect your miners.
Or get pvp people to join your mining op to protect your miners. Even just ask other people in the noob corp to do it, cause that way you can't get war dec'd too. There must be 500 people in noob corp chat at any one time, so it's not like there's not one person who'll help out. You guys have the greatest possible chance of making HUGE mining ops and protection fleets and uber warfare, yet you guys never stand together and organize these massive events or co-ordinate them. Shame, such potential.
SUPPORT EVE's OWN IN-GAME FIGHT RECORD TOOL! |
randy andy
Minmatar
What Nots Club-Alts
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:46:00 -
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Hmm what can say to you lot HMM
go away is the best i can say at moment
i have 2 accounts 1 mines and 1 haulers
3 will cause big lag..
as for getting guards then you just did not read my post so troll off else where..
makeing events etc etc same problem with guards..
i am ready and willing to go to low sec and mine in a hulk but won't untill i can fight off a rifter if there is 5 of us barges that can fight it in a timely fashion
this toon can fly all T1 fighter ship to bs class and fit most t2 tank stuff guns named only this was due to need to move bs's and any t1 ships before freigther's
yes there are carebear miners that won't leave hi-sec no matter what( i'm guessing your mining alt)
But some of us carebears will go to low sec if we could fight off a frigate if there are 5 of us
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:51:00 -
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Apocrypha will have improved rats in lowsec belts and hopefully a mining rebalance so that mining in lowsec is profitable. Have ships guard your mining op and go ratting/running cosmic anomalies rather than sitting around. Hulks can fit quite a tank, and t1 mining barges are dirt cheap after insurance.
Or, hunt for gravimetric sigs.
Of course, mining in alliance-owned 0.0 still wont be that viable, but it shouldn't be. It's owned by an alliance.
Originally by: Catharacta
My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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joan arcangel
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.07 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: joan arcangel on 07/02/2009 15:00:57
wrong forum |
randy andy
Minmatar
What Nots Club-Alts
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Posted - 2009.02.07 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Apocrypha will have improved rats in lowsec belts and hopefully a mining rebalance so that mining in lowsec is profitable. Have ships guard your mining op and go ratting/running cosmic anomalies rather than sitting around. Hulks can fit quite a tank, and t1 mining barges are dirt cheap after insurance.
Or, hunt for gravimetric sigs.
Of course, mining in alliance-owned 0.0 still wont be that viable, but it shouldn't be. It's owned by an alliance.
something about guards can get a few but there dont want to hang around 1 system no matter how many belts to rat or cosmics
then getting them back to the mining group in time to save the barges ???
I hope Apocrypha will improve lo-sec for miners some how i don't think so as they are looking more at worm holes mining,
that could be cool but for low-sec 5+ T2 barges should be able to fight off t1 frigates to some dergee |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.07 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 07/02/2009 15:50:24
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something about guards can get a few but there dont want to hang around 1 system no matter how many belts to rat or cosmics
then getting them back to the mining group in time to save the barges ???
I hope Apocrypha will improve lo-sec for miners some how i don't think so as they are looking more at worm holes mining,
that could be cool but for low-sec 5+ T2 barges should be able to fight off t1 frigates to some dergee
Uhh, they can, easily. T2 light drones shred frigs fast, and they can fit a nice tank to boot. No way in hell anything short of a massive blob of t1 (or even t2) frigs would kill a group of well-coordinated, well-tanked hulks.
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