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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2009.02.08 05:01:00 -
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They should just remove all the t2 BPOs and let invention be used for t2. |
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.02.08 07:13:00 -
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I disagree it would level the playing field.
Even before the fall of BoB (who really have just reformed and what you see now is speculation on the market....keep in mind none of there moon miners that I know of have been lost yet) it was impossible to invent bpcs and then buy the moon materials to build them.
The waste is so high on invented bpcs you can't compete against those with BPOs especially when the majority of them are also the ones running the moon miners.
So basically you have a maintained monopoly by a few to which no one else can break into the market.
Invention can never compete under current game conditions. You could fix both areas, neither of which would be popular to the current powers.
Fixing Moon Minerals
1. You redo how moon mining works. First you reseed the galaxy such that every moon minerals will appear at least once per constellation. You can still weight them from there but they need to all appear in all constellations.
and
2. Next you introduce a timed factor when the moons minerals run out and you have to move shop. Probably something like 3-6 months given time and dedication to setting it up. (Note that just because a mineral vein disappears does not mean that the moon will never have it again, it may respawn or something new may spawn on the moon.
T2 BPO/BPCs
1. Either eliminate all t2 BPOs and any BPCs made from them. Invention would take the place of these, this would at least in the short term see a rise in t2 prices, but would stabilize probably in a few months as more folks move into research.
or
2. Seed new t2 BPOs on the NPC market and allow anyone with enough isk to buy them. This might could be put in faction stores rather than the normal market at the research stations of factions that would have invented them. In this case invention would need to have a new purpose or replaced to help get t3 items.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.02.08 07:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Gamer4liff
Goddamnit, why do I always read these threads, it's always the same goddamned arguments, usually by the same goddamn people month after month year after year. Bah, may as well.
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
2. Seed new t2 BPOs on the NPC market and allow anyone with enough isk to buy them. This might could be put in faction stores rather than the normal market at the research stations of factions that would have invented them. In this case invention would need to have a new purpose or replaced to help get t3 items.
Aside from the rest of your post which I won't even begin to discuss, this would completly destroy invention and CCP would have to rebalance a HUGE amount of stuff to compensate. Throwing T2 BPOs on the open market would be the death cry of any inventor. Not to mention T3 already has a path and I'm sure invention has no part in it.
As an inventor it doesn't matter.
You can't invent BPCs of t2 items except ammo and actually make money unless you also run your own POS reaction chain. The waste is to high on the invented BPCs especially for ships for you to ever make money.
Yeah you can make some isk if you ignore the market cost of datacores, the number of times you fail but still have to pay the cost, and then ignore the market price of moon materials, oh wait....you really can't ignore all that and actually make isk. So basically its just a passtime with a monopoly held by those who held it before invention was released. They just sell their product for less accepting a lesser return per item just to make sure no one can compete with them. |
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.02.08 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
You can't invent BPCs of t2 items except ammo and actually make money unless you also run your own POS reaction chain. The waste is to high on the invented BPCs especially for ships for you to ever make money.
Yeah you can make some isk if you ignore the market cost of datacores, the number of times you fail but still have to pay the cost, and then ignore the market price of moon materials, oh wait....you really can't ignore all that and actually make isk. So basically its just a passtime with a monopoly held by those who held it before invention was released. They just sell their product for less accepting a lesser return per item just to make sure no one can compete with them.
Wow, you are trying to get a IgNobel in economy? Or are you simply very incompetent?
How is that I can easily find invented items that sell at 150% of my production cost (yes, I include datacore costs and price all my produced components at sell price) and you can't find something worth building?
You can't do it with ships. Not a single ship I've seen you could buy the moon materials off the market and build and sell for what the market is selling them for in which a t2 bpo exists for that ship.
I mentioned that you could make money with ammo, and yes a few modules, but for the vast majority of stuff inventions a joke....
It's nice how you feel you have to insult others personally to make yourself feel big.
I've spent a lot of time crunching the numbers though, and there is no way ships for which a t2 bpo exists can be invented and sold for market value. (For example not counting datacores and data cryptors it cost about 140-150 million to build a Zealot, while they sell for around 110 million, same with the Purifier...costs 19-20 million to build but sell for 7-9 million).
The only ships you can invent and make money on are the ones that never had BPOs....the Marauders and Black Ops, and even then it is not easy to do so because to many people count their time as nothing, such that someone doing their own POS reactions will always be able to undersell the pure researcher/builder because they treat the moon minerals as free, same with the researcher who gets his own datacores then ignores the cost of them thinking they are free...
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.02.08 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: bff Jill
let invention rmake federation megathrons please
I'd be alright with that, allow it do faction ships.
But they'd need to introduce more faction ships I think. |
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