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Hevymetal
POT Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.22 14:31:00 -
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Not that I subscribed, but they did have a few good videos. Loaded it up today and saw a message "EVE is Easy Permanently Closed"
Feel kinda bad for those that actually did subscribe and pay money for this service. They got scammed in real life. Scamming people in a game is one thing, but in real life that's bad news. Wonder how much they got away with before scuttling the ship?
"Caveat emptor"
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
568
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Posted - 2012.04.22 14:34:00 -
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Those who are Chest-Beating Knuckle-Dragging PvP High Sec Gankers......
........it's not going so well for them this year is it ??????
I don't think this game means what they think it means. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
234
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Posted - 2012.04.22 14:35:00 -
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A fool and their "real" fait currency is easy parted :)
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
661
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Posted - 2012.04.22 14:43:00 -
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Miilla wrote:A fool and their "real" fait currency is easy parted :) So are a girl and her hair. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
TriadSte
3rd Division
67
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Posted - 2012.04.22 15:15:00 -
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Ah assumption always ruins the day.
http://www.eve-is-easy.com/ is working as intended. If youd like the reason for the change in domian here it is :
tl;dr Eve is Easy is now at www.eve-is-easy.com and Garmon, Will and Duncan no longer have any affiliation with www.eveiseasy.com or any e-mails attached to it and it is owned by Abbadon21. Abbadon21 tried to force Garmon to pay him money that he held but did not yet own. When Garmon refused to pay Abbadon21 until the 1 month refund period had passed to protect the members Abbadon21 decided to shut down the website, smear the name of Eve is Easy and Garmon and lock the contributors out. Read below for details.
When we launched the Eve is Easy subscription service it was not what we wanted. Abbadon21 had approached us to make videos as he did with his website www.eveproguides.com and he told us he would handle all the marketing aspects and make the website for us. All we had to do was make videos and then he would launch a subscription service.
We trusted him and we started making videos. Increasingly we started to take on responsibilities he said he would perform. We raised awareness for it ourselves and talked to the community about it through podcasts, eve news posts, the forums and in-game channels. He himself did little to none of this. We also found people to help Abbadon21 create the website he said he would make himself and those volunteers ended up doing more work to get the websites up and running than he did himself.
This entire time we were trying to sort out everything ourselves and make more videos Abbadon21 decided to go on a vacation for a week before subscription launch without anything done for the website. It had to be pushed back a week because of this and when he came back he spent most of his time creating the sleazy marketing video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcjUBy7QPRk ) and text you all saw instead of working on the actual website. We had to get a volunteer to come in and put something together in less than a week for our re-launched subscription service.
We argued on the price with him saying it was too high, we told him we felt the marketing approach he was taking was too extreme and treated our viewers like idiots. He told us not to worry because he knew what he was doing and had 10 years of marketing experience where we had none. In the end Garmon was swayed by his arguments despite protests from Will and Duncan he asked them to bite their tongues for the sake of the team and to get the work of making the new website done.
Launch day happened and the sum of Abbadon21's contributions to the project was there for everyone to see on the front page. With the response from the community Garmon realized the terrible mistake he'd made and tried to fix it asking Abbadon21 to take an advisory role from now on. Abbadon21 agreed and asked for his 25% share of all the money to be given to him. As busy as we were trying to improve the half built website, make videos, keep our current members happy and explain our change in direction Garmon made another mistake and promised to pay him in 1 week when things had calmed down.
When Will and Duncan learned about this they explained to Garmon that he shouldn't have done this because the money was not owned by Eve is Easy and that they had to be able to honour any requests for refunds in addition to waiting to see what CCP's response would be before handling any money. Garmon knew this himself without being told but was somehow convinced to make a promise he couldn't keep. Abbadon21 did not care about any of this and simply wanted his share of the money and threatened action if he did not get it when it was promised to him even though no one else was receiving money.
From this exchange it became clear to Garmon that the team could not continue to work with Abbadon21. A day before Abbadon21 was told he would receive the money, and the day the team planned to explain to him that he could not be given it until the end of the month; he removed access to the website from everyone but himself. Garmon then spoke to him and told him we would give him his 25% share of all the money we had received at the end of the month in exchange for the domain name www.eveiseasy.com and that we would both part ways afterwards. He refused this offer and decided that the best course of action would be to try to smear our names on the website he now controlled and that if he couldn't get his share that he would tell all members to get refunds so that we could not continue to provide this content.
We are not quitting and we won't be bullied by someone whose only concern is to make money off of other people with no regard for anything else. We have created our own website which we fully control and it is www.eve-is-easy.com we are currently working on migrating all the content over and improving it for the June 1st re-launch.
We will be continuing to provide all the services we did before and we still plan to reduce the price and make it accessible to many more people, another idea Abaddon21 was vehemently against. Garmon, Will and Duncan are no longer affiliated with anything posted on www.eveiseasy.com. If you have any questions, requests or concerns please mail us at [email protected] we no longer have access or are affiliated with [email protected].
We'd like to apologize for any inconvenience caused during this time of transition but we would like to assure you that in the end our members are our top priority going forward and now that we are no longer spending our time on internal disputes with Abbadon21 we can focus on ma... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
568
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Posted - 2012.04.22 15:17:00 -
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Welp.....THAT's story #3 I've heard about it so far.
Next. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
553
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Posted - 2012.04.22 15:19:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Those who are Chest-Beating Knuckle-Dragging PvP High Sec Gankers......
........it's not going so well for them this year is it ??????
I don't think this game means what they think it means.
Dude, what the **** are you ranting about? ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
568
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Posted - 2012.04.22 15:23:00 -
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Roime wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Those who are Chest-Beating Knuckle-Dragging PvP High Sec Gankers......
........it's not going so well for them this year is it ??????
I don't think this game means what they think it means. Dude, what the **** are you ranting about?
Should be obvious unless you are living in a cave.
Also, you have not seen me rant, YET. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
553
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Posted - 2012.04.22 15:34:00 -
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You certainly sound like a caveman.
What does hisec ganking have to do with this topic?
Looks like it's a major issue to you, but do you even read the topics, or just spam your inane whining everywhere?
~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
D3F4ULT
49
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Posted - 2012.04.22 16:19:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Ah assumption always ruins the day.
wall o' txt
As much as I wish I had the money to pay for a subscription, I can't afford to at the moment.
Good for you guys for keeping this legit. Maybe someday I can scramble up a website template for you guys thats a little bit more clean cut and "gives all the ladies teh sex".
o7
Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
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Captain Woo
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2012.04.22 16:22:00 -
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It is indeed glorious, that you are allowed to make money off CCPs property. I shall start printing self-designed t-shirts with eve motives and make a marvelous amount of money. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1087
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Posted - 2012.04.22 16:59:00 -
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Quite a bit of mess you got going on I see.
Any way personally I don't agree and/or support 3rd party services which are trying to pull real world money from eve online player base with things related to eve-online. Donations are ok and server fees have to be paid of course, but anything beyond that is too much if coming from the actual users. If sites can't get along with donations/advertising revenue, they lack the content why anyone should keep visiting them in 1st place.
Nuff said.
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
531
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Posted - 2012.04.22 17:06:00 -
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Captain Woo wrote:It is indeed glorious, that you are allowed to make money off CCPs property. I shall start printing self-designed t-shirts with eve motives and make a marvelous amount of money.
Hilmar alt detected. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1088
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Posted - 2012.04.22 17:08:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Captain Woo wrote:It is indeed glorious, that you are allowed to make money off CCPs property. I shall start printing self-designed t-shirts with eve motives and make a marvelous amount of money. Hilmar alt detected. Naa... Hilmar would make pants.
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DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
330
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Posted - 2012.04.22 17:39:00 -
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What about all the poor saps who paid $200 for their "lifetime" subscription? Damn nature, you scary! |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
139
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Posted - 2012.04.22 18:09:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Quite a bit of mess you got going on I see.
Any way personally I don't agree and/or support 3rd party services which are trying to pull real world money from eve online player base with things related to eve-online. Donations are ok and server fees have to be paid of course, but anything beyond that is too much if coming from the actual users. If sites can't get along with donations/advertising revenue, they lack the content why anyone should keep visiting them in 1st place.
Nuff said.
Actually, though it may be focused on EVE content they are making tutorial and instructional videos that cover a very wide range of combat scenarios in EVE presumably. Given this relies on actual skill and knowledge on their behalf and potentially takes a considerable amount of time, I don't see a problem with this.
CCP did put this out there last year some timeand even if I'm not absolutely sure of the current details after all the forum complaints that were raised about it, I'm guessing the majority of the plan stayed intact and that is what Garmon and the others are doing here. I see nothing wrong with it.
They do however have to do some work on that website if it is indeed real and need a guy that knows what he is doing inside and out. The current incarnation lacks functionality and though appealing in general layout and color scheme, is sorely in need of some improvement.
Also, I imagine, (don't know, but I'm guessing), the website security is rather lax and possibly even non-existant atm. They're going to need someone to improve on that and help protect their users data as well as their content. I'm just basing that on the fact I can see that whoever is doing it is very limited in knowledge and probably learning on the fly. Either that or they are quite out of practice.
Just a thought, but placing descriptions to the right of the video boxes and increasing the play size, (same as EVE is Easy splash?), or providing optional playsizes, (scaling?), and fullscreen availability would be a big improvement. Increasing the distance between the boxes would be good too; perhaps as much as 100 pixels, with a hue shift like we see in forum posts. (i.e: dark-light-dark)
Definitely needs some work, but I like the overall idea. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
D3F4ULT
49
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Posted - 2012.04.22 18:16:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:
Definitely needs some work, but I like the overall idea.
I'm going to do a quick reply here as I talked to the web dev.
They have a better idea with web site design that is underway, with the short conversation I had with him before he had to be pulled away from his desk, he showed me a few concepts of templates for the site.
I too was turned away by the looks, but things will turn out here shortly in the coming days :)
Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
Prince Kobol
546
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Posted - 2012.04.22 18:25:00 -
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Here are the chat logs
http://pastebin.com/UzFuM0QM |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
146
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Posted - 2012.04.22 18:44:00 -
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^^This^^
Garmon was erring on the side of caution, not wanting to misuse the eve-players money... and some self-styled internet business guru wanted to coerce him into giving him a ridiculous amount of money.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:02:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Welp.....THAT's story #3 I've heard about it so far. Next.
whats #1 and #2?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
709
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:42:00 -
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Learn to youse google |
fgft Athonille
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:50:00 -
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more idiots falling for terrible garmon trolls. |
JinSanJong
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:51:00 -
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Garmon your doing it wrong, you dont need to use other people to do this really do you? I mean why not use what is already there? Like having a dedcated YouTube and Facebook site? with access to millions of people? You know Youtube and Facebook are so established that people searching for your stuff is far far better, than having a site that wont even get a rank on google? This guy knows nothing about marketing a site!. If you want to do subs then jsut create a landing page link to a domain for applications thats all. Let youtube/facebook host the videos where they will get a whole lot more exposure and possible subscriptions. This is my area of experitise online, digital and marketing, you want any advice ithen give me a shout..and im sorry but is 70K valuation is completely wrong, once you have 12 months of decent activity and subs then perhaps but not in such a short time, because your subs may have reached it peak. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
185
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:54:00 -
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JinSanJong wrote:Garmon your doing it wrong, you dont need to use other people to do this really do you? I mean why not use what is already there? Like having a dedcated YouTube and Facebook site? with access to millions of people? You know Youtube and Facebook are so established that people searching for your stuff is far far better, than having a site that wont even get a rank on google? This guy knows nothing about marketing a site!. If you want to do subs then jsut create a landing page link to a domain for applications thats all. Let youtube/facebook host the videos where they will get a whole lot more exposure and possible subscriptions. This is my area of experitise online, digital and marketing, you want any advice ithen give me a shout..and im sorry but is 70K valuation is completely wrong, once you have 12 months of decent activity and subs then perhaps but not in such a short time, because your subs may have reached it peak.
LOL, most people who play EVE either are: 1. Intelligent enough not to use facebook 2. Not social enough to use facebook 3. Know better than to post eve junk on their facebook.
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Klavis lychnuchus
Hotel Charlie
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Posted - 2012.04.22 20:07:00 -
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Abaddons mistake here is trying to scam veteran Eve players, while it's true the service offered here has definite value it's debatable whether its value lies at $19. Regardless of the metrics involved however, a simple truth here is that people will pay whatever is asked. I, personally will not.
As for sanctionable action by CCP, I believe they offer a commercial license for people who want to make money from Eve meta-content and thus, perfectly within the framework of whats allowed.
I'd put good money on the fact his strategy involved convincing you to part with significant funds on these arbitrary figures he spouts for 'his share'. Then leaving you guys struggling with a site on a potentially unsustainable subscription model and the interest on the loan you took to buy him out.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
515
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Posted - 2012.04.22 20:14:00 -
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Let me get this straight... they wanted to BE PAID for teaching people to PvP?
And they got someone to actually pay them?
Sheesh.
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
146
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Posted - 2012.04.22 20:22:00 -
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Klavis lychnuchus wrote:Abaddons mistake here is trying to scam veteran Eve players, while it's true the service offered here has definite value it's debatable whether its value lies at $19. Regardless of the metrics involved however, a simple truth here is that people will pay whatever is asked. I, personally will not.
As for sanctionable action by CCP, I believe they offer a commercial license for people who want to make money from Eve meta-content and thus, perfectly within the framework of whats allowed.
I'd put good money on the fact his strategy involved convincing you to part with significant funds on these arbitrary figures he spouts for 'his share'. Then leaving you guys struggling with a site on a potentially unsustainable subscription model and the interest on the loan you took to buy him out.
Just to prove a point... Garmon's had better marketing and business advice from a 2 page GD thread than anything that abaddon guy seems to have spouted. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
374
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Posted - 2012.04.22 20:25:00 -
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EVE is about drama ... and making spaceships explode - eveiseasy delivers on both.
I am not a subscriber but I did watch the videos when they were free. Good stuff and that is why I think you will be able to turn this around. I'd say $19 was greedy but $5 is actually quite reasonable. Good luck. |
Hatch Nasty
Nasty Enterprises
15
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Posted - 2012.04.22 20:39:00 -
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Regardless of who's running the shop now at EVE is Easy, I wouldn't put strong odds on long term success. Reading through that chat log, it doesn't look like any of them have any business acumen, whatsoever. They started a business between four "partners" without a written partnership contract? Even a basic contract would spell out who gets what, when, penalties for non-compliance, and terms for severance. Having such a contract means there wouldn't be anyone whining about not getting their fair share, or changing terms as they go along. They also should have formed a corporation or LLC and transferred the ownership of all company assets to that legal entity before the site was even launched, exactly so that one partner can't hold the domain hostage. This isn't really complex **** here, we're talking Business 101. Sounds like this cluster **** was an amateur operation doomed to failure from its inception. Good riddance to a poor business plan, I say.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2012.04.22 20:39:00 -
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I'm gonna tl;dr the chat logs for everybody:
- Garmon + abaddon21 build EIE.com, abaddon21 gets 25% of all sales mainly for the idea + setup
- Garmon says he'll pay abaddon21 in one week
- Garmon realizes that was a mistake and wants to wait until CCP responds and 30 days pass in case lots of people want refunds
- Abaddon21 freaks out that he might get cut out of his 25% and demands his money at the one week mark (there's some haggling over whether the pay date was Sat or Sun but it doesn't matter)
- Garmon says chill, bu abaddon21 is in full berserk mode and takes down the site, etc
- Garmon has everything backed up at E-I-E.com
I want to back Garmon on this but if you make a really bad deal and then go back on it then that is not cool. Even if your intentions are good for the customers, you have to make good on the deal you made even if it was a horrible one.
The meltdown that abaddon21 has is pretty funny in my opinion, I have no idea why he did not just wait a single day or another week and he could have made some sweet $$$. Abaddon21 definitely played this very badly and very unprofessionally in the end.
All in all I just see this whole thing as disgusting. The people who subscribe to the website suck, the people who made the website suck, and all of the business partners suck. |
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