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TriadSte
3rd Division
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Posted - 2012.04.22 16:10:00 -
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Yes yes I've seen loads of topics asking about how these spawn, but for the past week I have noted down every single sig Ive scanned in 13 systems. I've scanned 3 times daily.
Before DT
After DT
Late evening
My findings are as follows.
DED Sites are spawning on downtime. Radars and Magnos seem to spawn randomly and don't adhere to the DT fresh spawn rule.
WHs are obviously very different and not counted in my observation.
There are alot of people thinking these DED complexs have random spawns when indeed that's totally not correct. They refresh after downtime.
Also from what I've been logging down it seems to me that the Americans are getting a much larger piece of pie with exploration in nullsec. There are great many more sites in the late evening than after downtime. meaning that Euros and Australians etc are not getting as many sites appear and its quite unfair.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
367
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Posted - 2012.04.22 16:22:00 -
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Radar, Mag and Grav sites respawn when they're complete (that's why you should always suck down /all/ the ore, kiddies)
Can't say about DED sites, but 'common wisdon' says they're handled the same way. They just respawn elsewhere. I've seen them pop up in systems I'd scanned as clear the hour before.
/Where/ the respawns happen is another matter. Some say constellation, some say region.
As for downtime, the main thing that happens is that the names change.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1712
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Posted - 2012.04.22 16:35:00 -
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If DED sites are indeed spawning right after downtime, I don't understand how you can say Americans are getting the larger slice of the pie.
For Americans, downtime happens between 3 to 5 am, most Americans are either asleep or getting ready to go to work. |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
4
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Posted - 2012.04.22 17:02:00 -
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Your findings are wrong but thanks for your attempt at contribution. |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
4
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Posted - 2012.04.22 17:03:00 -
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Wait wait wait
You scanned 13 systems, 3 times a day?
Nevermind, rock solid conclusions, everyone praise this man. |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
4
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Posted - 2012.04.22 17:04:00 -
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Just curious, are you a scientist?
If not, you should be. |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
4
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Posted - 2012.04.22 17:07:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Some say constellation, some say region.
Both groups of people in this case are wrong, just sayin.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1712
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Posted - 2012.04.22 18:04:00 -
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Liliana Rahl wrote:Your findings are wrong but thanks for your attempt at contribution.
Please clarify and show proof to back up your statement.
Liliana Rahl wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Some say constellation, some say region. Both groups of people in this case are wrong, just sayin.
Please post proof. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy
Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2012.04.22 20:40:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:
DED Sites are spawning on downtime
..........
There are great many more sites in the late evening than after downtime.
Those are two contradicting statements.
If sites spawn after dt there is more sites after dt.
Your obvious logic flaw is obvious.
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TriadSte
3rd Division
72
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Posted - 2012.04.22 20:46:00 -
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Not at all, if you read my post properly I said that Radars Magnos etc this includes Sanctums and Havens spawn randomly a hell of a lot more frequently in the very late PM for GMT time zone compared to midday/afternoon GMT.
This is why the Americans are getting a bigger slice of pie.
The sheer amount of extra spawns towards late PM GMT is outstanding.
Also I also believe that the more sites that are run in a region makes them spawn more frequently in that region. Much like WH mechanics I guess. |
Mercil Neproxus
Psycho Tech Industries
Interstellar Hobos
1
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Posted - 2012.04.22 20:48:00 -
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if you would just learn to comprehend the faulty side of humanity, you would understand that he meant non-DED sites on the second statement you quoted. ofc, i could be wrong... but that's the assumption I had to make when reading... I have to hope he's onto something... since no one else posts evidence (as DMC mentioned) |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.04.22 21:48:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Liliana Rahl wrote:Your findings are wrong but thanks for your attempt at contribution. Please clarify and show proof to back up your statement. Liliana Rahl wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Some say constellation, some say region. Both groups of people in this case are wrong, just sayin. Please post proof.
Use the search function.
I know its hard.
But you can do it. I have faith in you.
Adorable troll post though (man I love your passive aggressiveness, its fantastic). |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy
Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2012.04.22 21:49:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Not at all, if you read my post properly I said that Radars Magnos etc this includes Sanctums and Havens spawn randomly a hell of a lot more frequently in the very late PM for GMT time zone compared to midday/afternoon GMT.
This is why the Americans are getting a bigger slice of pie
No i consider DED plexes bigger slice of pie and accord to you they(USA people) should get none since change in scanning
in exploration in Apocrypha everyone is scanning an their dog.
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Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.04.22 21:58:00 -
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Okay serious post because you're all too lazy to read threads in which this stuffs already been discussed:
1. Sites spawning at downtime: yes this happens. These are sites that have had their "timer" initiated and expired. Once said timer has expired, the site will respawn the following downtime, thus giving the illusion that sites respawn at downtime only when in reality, its simply that they get bulked into respawning at downtime when their timer has expired.
2. If DED sites were limited to spawning at downtime, you care to explain how I used to farm DED 4/10 in Lonetrek all day long? IM talking a dozen times or more in a day. Fairly certain theres not a dozen Gurista DED 4/10s in game at a given time.
3. The linked to constellation spawning myth? Thats just crazy. Anyone can disprove that pretty easily as constellations are a bit harder. Regions, well we've recently started to push that out of belief but we do need concrete data. Basically, the best way to do it is to go to a region, target a site type and use Deep Space Probes to track it down and follow its respawns. Its doable and we'll be getting around to it soon (I'll likely start gathering people for this when the semester is over).
4. Its actually more likely that wormholes follow a very similar spawn mechanic. As it would mean a simple copy and paste of code and as CCP is lazy...er...efficient..it is likely they went this route when creating wormholes.
5. As someone else mentioned, your time table in regards to downtime is quite off. Downtime is early in the day for Americans. If your findings were correct, it would actually be Euros that would benefit from it (Eastern Euro in particular).
6. Your "data" is extremely limited and even without the points I've made here (I'm not supplying data, this stuff has been beaten to death for a while now, feel free to go look it up) your conclusions are simply invalidated by your lack of significant data (13 systems, 3 times a day is nothing). Try a region 3-4 times in a night, a few times a week for a year or so. |
Tomcio FromFarAway
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.04.22 22:08:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Liliana Rahl wrote:Your findings are wrong but thanks for your attempt at contribution. Please clarify and show proof to back up your statement. Liliana Rahl wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Some say constellation, some say region. Both groups of people in this case are wrong, just sayin. Please post proof.
I'm afraid that unless the devs explain how the mechanics of site spawning are really working we can only make a guess.
St Mio conducted some tests on SISI however and it shows that some sites are not necessarily re-spawning in the same region like many people think : SISI test
@OP :
Some sites are broken and don't despawn after competion( for instance, last night I found broken guristas DED6) and other sites will have their timer zeroed. Those sites are properly respawned during DT so that could lead to certain increase of spawns right after DT but it does not mean that NEW sites are spawned then.
From my own experience : I have been playing at different times of day for quite some time ( before DT, right after DT, many hours after DT ) and I can say that, at least for me, frequency of spawns was very random. Sometimes I find many sites right after DT but another day I find nothing after DT but then ( after few hours ) I will get multitude of sites in my current exploration regions so it's like everything exploration related --- random.
Besides :
TriadSte wrote:
Not at all, if you read my post properly I said that Radars Magnos etc this includes Sanctums and Havens spawn randomly a hell of a lot more frequently in the very late PM for GMT time zone compared to midday/afternoon GMT.
This is why the Americans are getting a bigger slice of pie.
The sheer amount of extra spawns towards late PM GMT is outstanding.
Also I also believe that the more sites that are run in a region makes them spawn more frequently in that region. Much like WH mechanics I guess.
And how many players are online during that time?
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drdxie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:20:00 -
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I have a PVP(well mostly PVP) toon in null. I have no statistical proof, but I believe they spawn after DT. Corp mates who are online after DT get more DED sites than I do. I am 12hrs ahead of eve time, so if I get up early on the weekend, I will also get better results. During my normal play time, which is round 7:00am EVE time and 7:00 pm my time, I barely get any good sites. |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:32:00 -
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Its like you people just refuse to read. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
721
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:33:00 -
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DED sites spawn throughout the day.
For example, looking at my records:
On the 2nd April 2012, I scanned Gerek at 15:43 (EVE time). There were no Angel 4/10s (Angel Cartel Occupied Mining Colony). I then resumed scanning adjacent systems. Fourty minutes later (16:23), I passed through Gerek, and scanned it again. This time, there was a 4/10 (it dropped crap btw  .
Same thing on the 3rd April 2012. I scanned at 16:05 in Gelfiven, there was 3/10 (Angel Cartel Occupied Mining Colony). 90 minutes later, I scanned the system again, no 3/10s, but now there was a 4/10 (Angel Repurposed Outpost).
It only takes one observation/contradiction to prove that sites spawn throughout the day. |
Frillo Teslar
Pandora Sphere
Narwhals Ate My Duck
6
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:18:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Not at all, if you read my post properly I said that Radars Magnos etc this includes Sanctums and Havens spawn randomly a hell of a lot more frequently in the very late PM for GMT time zone compared to midday/afternoon GMT.
This is why the Americans are getting a bigger slice of pie....
in an upgraded system the havens etc. respawn when then have been run, so I can't see why this would be an issue |
TriadSte
3rd Division
74
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:32:00 -
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I am talking about nullsec, Ive seen numerous posts about people farming 4/10s, I seriously wouldn't waste my time and effort for 4/10s. Im talking about 7-8-9-10/10.
Sanctums and havens also spawn in non upgraded systems and its these systems I am talking about.
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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
725
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:57:00 -
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It applies to high, low and null. I've seen DEDs in low sec appear as well throughout the day where there were none earlier.
I don't personally scan in nullsec, but I've seen more than enough people confirm scanning empty nullsec systems only to find DED sites in them later on in the day.
If DED sites only respawned at DT, there would be none left after a few hours. A single person can scan an entire region in a few hours, and there are (probably) hundreds if not thousands of explorers online at any given time.
There are more than 5000 solar systems in EVE, just because 13 solar systems didn't have a new DED cosmic signature since downtime doesn't mean the other systems didn't. :/ |
Tomcio FromFarAway
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:53:00 -
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St Mio wrote:It applies to high, low and null. I've seen DEDs in low sec appear as well throughout the day where there were none earlier.
I don't personally scan in nullsec, but I've seen more than enough people confirm scanning empty nullsec systems only to find DED sites in them later on in the day.
If DED sites only respawned at DT, there would be none left after a few hours. A single person can scan an entire region in a few hours, and there are (probably) hundreds if not thousands of explorers online at any given time.
There are more than 5000 solar systems in EVE, just because 13 solar systems didn't have a new DED cosmic signature since downtime doesn't mean the other systems didn't. :/
^^ this
Yesterday I scanned systems from MHC-R3 to S-GKKR in Syndicate about 1 hour after DT, results :
1 Paramilitary complex (DED7) + 1 Provincial HQ (someone else was doing it) + 2 Bases + 2 Fortresses and some other that I forgot as I don't do them.
I did paramilitary + bases and fortresses.
About 9 hours after DT, same route, 4 new sites : Paramilitary + Provincial HQ + Base + Fortress |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc.
Stealth Wear Inc.
50
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Posted - 2012.04.23 11:52:00 -
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St Mio wrote:DED sites spawn throughout the day. For example, looking at my records: On the 2nd April 2012, I scanned Gerek at 15:43 (EVE time). There were no Angel 4/10s (Angel Cartel Occupied Mining Colony). I then resumed scanning adjacent systems. Fourty minutes later (16:23), I passed through Gerek, and scanned it again. This time, there was a 4/10 (it dropped crap btw . Same thing on the 3rd April 2012. I scanned at 16:05 in Gelfiven, there was 3/10 (Angel Cartel Occupied Mining Colony). 90 minutes later, I scanned the system again, no 3/10s, but now there was a 4/10 (Angel Repurposed Outpost). It only takes one observation/contradiction to prove that sites spawn throughout the day.
Librarian?
to the topic: Yes sites only spawn at downtime. You should all commence scannering at this time. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
726
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Posted - 2012.04.23 11:56:00 -
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Ook? |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc.
Stealth Wear Inc.
50
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Posted - 2012.04.23 12:08:00 -
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I find it simply amazing that you can look up when you scanned what site with timestamps to the minute :) |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
573
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Posted - 2012.04.23 12:13:00 -
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It's really hilarious how nobody give a flying anything about this until the Minerals Market explodes here and there over time.
Then suddenly everybody is an expert on Exploration and Spawn Rates, down to actual arguments about something with NO official documentaon at all.
There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
8
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:22:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:I am talking about nullsec, Ive seen numerous posts about people farming 4/10s, I seriously wouldn't waste my time and effort for 4/10s. Im talking about 7-8-9-10/10.
Sanctums and havens also spawn in non upgraded systems and its these systems I am talking about.
And you think null sec spawning mechanics are any different?
Just to appease you, just two days ago I took a jumpbridge to a dead end system. Dropped a 256AU probe, nothing there. Move on to the next system, DED 10/10, yay! Run the site with a friend, get some nice loot, decide to head home via the dead end system jump bridge.
But, as usual, just in case, I drop a 256AU probe again, theres a .03 signature so I scan it down. What? The DED 10/10? No way!
Run the site, get some loot, go home.
That one instance of respawning disproves your entire theory that DED's only spawn at DT. |
Sum Olgy
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
3
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Posted - 2012.04.24 08:04:00 -
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Just don't call him a monkey! |
Republic Citizen
4
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Posted - 2012.04.24 09:45:00 -
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Sum Olgy wrote:Just don't call him a monkey!
Just don't call him a monkey... OH SHI.....
Never publish your kills/losses, it's nothing more than a useful information for your enemies.
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