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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 09:40:00 -
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Well, maybe not completely unforeseen, because I'm foreseeing them right now. But I bet that CCP haven't considered the following:
Once T3 production gets underway, the petitions system collapses under the strain of people complaining about not only their ship losses but also their SP losses. Because they refuse to concede that their idea of SP loss was anything but wonderful, CCP eventually introduce a new and faintly ludicrous mechanic that allows SP to be insured, replaced, or just plain bought for ISK.
In April the forums, rookie channel and the petitions system all collapse under the strain of noobs wondering why their skills aren't training as quickly as they were. A mass exodus of new players results. |
Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.10 09:42:00 -
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Sky is falling. Eve keeps dying.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista Sky is falling. Eve keeps dying.
I'm not saying that Eve is dying. The way it's slowly being dumbed down I'm sure that it will go from strength to strength in the future. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.02.10 09:51:00 -
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Another unforseen consequence will be that the t2 ship prices will increase drastically.
Why? Because the decryptor prices will skyrocket because of the changes in the scanning/exploration system. It will be no longer possible to scan a system to see if a radar site (main source of decryptors) is in there, you have to scan down each and every site before you see what it is.
So ... better start collecting your decryptors right now already. |
Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:05:00 -
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6/10 for the elaborate RP troll. |
Osiris Andras
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Another unforseen consequence will be that the t2 ship prices will increase drastically.
Why? Because the decryptor prices will skyrocket because of the changes in the scanning/exploration system. It will be no longer possible to scan a system to see if a radar site (main source of decryptors) is in there, you have to scan down each and every site before you see what it is.
So ... better start collecting your decryptors right now already.
wait? you use those? I just sell them. Does this mean I should hoard now and sell at overly-inflated prices later? |
Phoenix Torp
Caldari Kingmakers
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Another unforseen consequence will be that the t2 ship prices will increase drastically.
Why? Because the decryptor prices will skyrocket because of the changes in the scanning/exploration system. It will be no longer possible to scan a system to see if a radar site (main source of decryptors) is in there, you have to scan down each and every site before you see what it is.
So ... better start collecting your decryptors right now already.
Are you saying that the multispectral won't say what type of site there is in that system? A link referring that? |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/02/2009 10:15:11 Your RP hyperbole needs more content, young PIEdawan. Anything short of predicting the literal destruction of the game itself is insufficient.
edit: PIEdawan? Terrible. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/02/2009 10:15:11 Your RP hyperbole needs more content, young PIEdawan. Anything short of predicting the literal destruction of the game itself is insufficient.
edit: PIEdawan? Terrible.
That's the first time in ages that I've been described as young
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:38:00 -
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Here's my forecast.
The first few weeks after M10 will see heavy strain oln petition regardless of T3 SP loss.
The SP loss is usually (level 4 or less skills) recovered from within hours - long before any petition would be done.
People will get used to it.
There will be no SP insurance - much less buying of SP.
The whole point behind the SP loss is to keep some real sense of loss for veteran players - many of whom can suffer tens of millions or even hundreds of millions in ship loss without being too bothered about it.
Abstractly ship loss = isk loss = time loss. But the time lost is very different between a vet and a noob. A noob loosing a 100m worth of ship = x time lost. A vet loosing the same isk value = fraction of x time lost.
The SP loss - while not the same (vet might likely have better implants) is less of a difference.
It's an option. Nobody forces you to fly T3 ships. If you do - you risk the level loss. Deal with it or keep to T1/T2. |
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Glengrant
It's an option. Nobody forces you to fly T3 ships. If you do - you risk the level loss. Deal with it or keep to T1/T2.
That will be the crux of CCP's problem though. Because of the risk of SP loss, the overwhelming number of T3 ships will be used in high-sec, and CCP will inevitably look to make their use more common after the whines meet a certain level. |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:42:00 -
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I've never felt that "time loss" was a valid thing to whine about. If it were then the whole point of Eve's skew-towards-risk model would be thrown out. Time sink is the one thing all MMO's have in common, even the ones with power leveling, but in Eve you may spend days mission running to get the LPs for some sweet faction stuff, or days belt ratting nullsec to get the ISK for a Command Ship or something, and it can all go poof with thirty seconds of bad luck. Reimbursement for time, and by extension SPs, is a big no-go IMO. |
Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenix Torp
Originally by: Gnulpie Another unforseen consequence will be that the t2 ship prices will increase drastically.
Why? Because the decryptor prices will skyrocket because of the changes in the scanning/exploration system. It will be no longer possible to scan a system to see if a radar site (main source of decryptors) is in there, you have to scan down each and every site before you see what it is.
So ... better start collecting your decryptors right now already.
Are you saying that the multispectral won't say what type of site there is in that system? A link referring that?
Yes, he is saying that because there will no multispectral probes no more. There will neither be any of the site specific (Radar, Ladar, Mag., Grav.) there will be ONE PROBE TYPE ONLY for exploration, and then there will be another type that can track down ships but mechanical wise they work the same.
You do not need a link to verify that, just log on Singularity and try for youself.
Btw. I love this new non-chance-based exploration system. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:36:00 -
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No one will get into a T3 ship without understanding they can lose SP, it tells you as much when you assemble the parts. Anyone who petitions should be banned. |
Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Well, maybe not completely unforeseen, because I'm foreseeing them right now. But I bet that CCP haven't considered the following:
Once T3 production gets underway, the petitions system collapses under the strain of people complaining about not only their ship losses but also their SP losses. Because they refuse to concede that their idea of SP loss was anything but wonderful, CCP eventually introduce a new and faintly ludicrous mechanic that allows SP to be insured, replaced, or just plain bought for ISK.
In April the forums, rookie channel and the petitions system all collapse under the strain of noobs wondering why their skills aren't training as quickly as they were. A mass exodus of new players results.
then skynet takes over right? ------
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space bully
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:57:00 -
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Quit all your whineing, the function is there, you can just choose not to activate it! Why all this doomsday crap and similar!? |
Ydnari
Gallente Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.02.10 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Phoenix Torp
Originally by: Gnulpie It will be no longer possible to scan a system to see if a radar site (main source of decryptors) is in there, you have to scan down each and every site before you see what it is.
Are you saying that the multispectral won't say what type of site there is in that system? A link referring that?
Yes, he is saying that because there will no multispectral probes no more. There will neither be any of the site specific (Radar, Ladar, Mag., Grav.) there will be ONE PROBE TYPE ONLY for exploration, and then there will be another type that can track down ships but mechanical wise they work the same.
I thought the new probe system wasn't up and running yet on Sisi other than one UI screen? It's still possible there'd be multispec-like functionality from what's been revealed.
Already been said that the single probe type are (a) movable and (b) can have their range modified (c) work on triangulation to get locations.
Has it been completely ruled out that the scan results include signature type? If not, it's not impossible that the way it'll work is you can drop one probe, crank its range up to maximum, and get a signature type (Radar, Unknown, etc.) but not a lot of location information (either just a vague direction, or nothing at all if it insists on having 3+ probes to triangulate with) - which sounds a lot like a multispec. |
Marrrk
Vanquish Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.10 12:25:00 -
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Isnt the new Deep space scanner probe a direct replacement for the multispec.
Not having Astro 5 I cant test it at the mo. |
Hywang
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Posted - 2009.02.10 13:35:00 -
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You lose one point from one of the subsystem skills. They are all rank 1 and you only need lvl 1 to fly the ship.
I forsee most people training them up to lvl 3 or so if they are going to PVP regularly. If they die they get set back a couple of hours, with the new queueing system that shouldn't be too painful.
I think its needed because a lot of people are indeed too rich, this should help balance out the old with the new in terms of loss, because old players value their skill training time as much as new.
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ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.02.10 14:07:00 -
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sub system skills 10 minutes for level 1 30 minutes for level 2 probably 2 hours for level 3
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Omu Negru
Caldari Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.10 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hywang
I think its needed because a lot of people are indeed too rich,,....
Another wrong oppinion. Of cource you heard it from that CCP guy.
Now tell me. Where the hell are those rich ppl who bring faction BSs or marauders at fleet ops in 0.0???
I aint see so many. In fact they are so rare.. ppl dont spend more then 250mil for a 0.0 pvp ship. This is a wrong idea that will not affect those with 90mil sp who have nothing to train more anyway!!! Do you think skill loss would stop them to not fly more t3 ships if they want???
wrong
This will stop the majority of EVE players to use t3 on pvp.
If I have 1bil I better make 4 Nighthawks that will pawn anyway in gang and training something useful in the same time. Or 6 Falcons and i will jamm the hell out of them.
And yeah! They will be primary (always) / cose I will say so when I will be FC.
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Ottersmacker
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.10 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake noobs wondering why their skills aren't training as quickly as they were
Does not the popular game with orcs, night-elves, magic powder & pixies also have a similar mechanic (+% modifier to experience gain)? .. they may be somewhat familiar with the concept already.
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Cailais
Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.02.10 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Great Artista Sky is falling. Eve keeps dying.
I'm not saying that Eve is dying. The way it's slowly being dumbed down I'm sure that it will go from strength to strength in the future.
It's being dumbed down, but being made harder for noobs through SP loss??..er...
..dOezz nOt cOmpuT3...!.zzz.. pop fizzzzz !BANG!.
C.
Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Great Artista Sky is falling. Eve keeps dying.
I'm not saying that Eve is dying. The way it's slowly being dumbed down I'm sure that it will go from strength to strength in the future.
It's being dumbed down, but being made harder for noobs through SP loss??..er...
..dOezz nOt cOmpuT3...!.zzz.. pop fizzzzz !BANG!.
C.
I can see that you will fit in to the new Eve-lite just fine!
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Derus Grobb
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake But I bet that CCP haven't considered the following:
whine whine whine
I bet they HAVE considered it, I bet they make players aware of it and I bet that rookie and petitions do not 'collapse under the strain'.
Get back in your box please, Eve isn't dying. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Derus Grobb
Get back in your box please, Eve isn't dying.
I refer you to my previous answer. |
Kuno Hida
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:53:00 -
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Nice troll. You're making a prediction with insufficient information and presuming upon a lack of information for everyone else reading.
in short: Waaah. You take a risk every time you undock. Man up Nancy. |
Derus Grobb
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake ... mechanic that allows SP to be insured, replaced, or just plain bought for ISK.
Your crystal ball is faulty. Why do you think the T3 skills are only rank 1? |
Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Well, maybe not completely unforeseen, because I'm foreseeing them right now. But I bet that CCP haven't considered the following:
Once T3 production gets underway, the petitions system collapses under the strain of people complaining about not only their ship losses but also their SP losses. Because they refuse to concede that their idea of SP loss was anything but wonderful, CCP eventually introduce a new and faintly ludicrous mechanic that allows SP to be insured, replaced, or just plain bought for ISK.
In April the forums, rookie channel and the petitions system all collapse under the strain of noobs wondering why their skills aren't training as quickly as they were. A mass exodus of new players results.
The sky is falling. Eve is dying. Blah. Blah.
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Azuse
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kuno Hida
Waaah. You take a risk every time you undock. Man up Nancy.
Funny, i'm willing to bet you keep your clone up to date just too keep your sp. You want to risk skills in 0.0 pvp stop updating your clone, or fly one of these -------------------------
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