Originally by: Securitas Protector

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Originally by: Jager Narses

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Skip all that and just fly around in a covops while cloaked

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Originally by: Securitas Protector

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*cough* THE INTERNET *cough*

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Originally by: Securitas Protector

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* A journalist cannot be fired on by all agreeing parties
- How do you expect people to realise you're a journalist in the short amount of time it takes to get a lock on your ship and activate guns?

* A journalistÆs ship will be named ôReporterö or something to that effect.
- And your shipname matters how?

* A journalist must be ôon assignmentö and working on a story. This is to prevent abuse of the system.
- What stops others from saying that they are on assignment?

* A journalist will announce himself in local before entering.
- Do I really have to point this one out? How do you announce anything at all in local BEFORE you enter?

* A journalist is on his or her own and can expect to be fired upon.
- This is actually the only "rule" you need.

* And no matter what, a journalist on assignment is ALWAYS neutral
- This neutrality is guaranteed how?

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Originally by: Arcane Mystery

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Ok, just for the sake of pointing out some flaws in your idea I'll assume you're actually serious when writing this and that it's not a troll attempt. Would you care to clarify some things?

Originally by: Securitas Protector

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* A journalist cannot be fired on by all agreeing parties
- How do you expect people to realise you're a journalist in the short amount of time it takes to get a lock on your ship and activate guns?

* A journalistÆs ship will be named ôReporterö or something to that effect.
- And your shipname matters how?

* A journalist must be ôon assignmentö and working on a story. This is to prevent abuse of the system.
- What stops others from saying that they are on assignment?

* A journalist will announce himself in local before entering.
- Do I really have to point this one out? How do you announce anything at all in local BEFORE you enter?

* A journalist is on his or her own and can expect to be fired upon.
- This is actually the only "rule" you need.

* And no matter what, a journalist on assignment is ALWAYS neutral
- This neutrality is guaranteed how?

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Originally by: Securitas Protector

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Edited by: Securitas Protector on 14/02/2009 08:38:57
Before I say anything at all, I realize this thread will probably be trolled and attacked to hell and back. I'm not forcing anyone to participate or even expecting that anyone will, but I'm giving this a go.

In my article on Eve-Mag.com, I outlined a possible policy for how this would be instituted.

The Article

For those of you who are too lazy or otherwise don't want to click on it, here's the policy in short.

EVE will be mapped into red zones and green zones; red zones are areas not cleared for access by the residents(or sovereignty holders), while green zones are cleared for complete access.

The rules inside ôGreen Zonesö

* A journalist cannot be fired on by all agreeing parties

* A journalist may NOT fire on ANY other pilot unless first fired upon.

* A journalistÆs ship will be named ôReporterö or something to that effect.

* A journalist must be ôon assignmentö and working on a story. This is to prevent abuse of the system.

* A journalist will announce himself in local before entering.

* A journalistÆs biography will contain basic JI(Journalistic Immunity) guidelines OR he will provide a link in local.

* If a journalist is told to leave by sovereignty holders he or she will do so within a reasonable amount of time.

* A journalist may NOT rat or mine unless given explicit permission to do so.

* A journalist may ONLY publish intelligence(information provided by residents, not by local or eyesight) cleared by resident contact(CEO, director, or FC).

The reason for all of these rules is expressly so that the system will not be abused by the journalist, or in other words so just by being a member of some news network on off days, you canÆt just prance around other peopleÆs space.


The rules inside ôRed Zonesö

* A journalist may NOT fire on ANY other pilot unless first fired upon. YouÆre reporting a story, not starting a war.

* A journalist is on his or her own and can expect to be fired upon.

* And no matter what, a journalist on assignment is ALWAYS neutral.

If you are interested in making your alliance's or corporation's space a Green Zone, please EVEmail me or post here. If you have any ideas or suggestions, please reply.

Once again, I realize many may not like this idea and I respect that, but please keep the discussion here on topic.

*cough* THE INTERNET *cough*

Thanks,

Securitas

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Originally by: Dr Smythe

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****A massive bloody skysc****r of text****

Why have green zones at all? Isn't the purpuse of being a true report, to report things that you see from an objective point of view?
Getting permission to report only obscures the legitimacy of the report.

IMO if you want to be a true report get in a cov ops take the risk of going into said red zone. It won't be difficult to know where the actions are going on and when you get some credibility for writing some good stories then I am sure info will flow from alliance dip's giving you snippets etc.

Oh and I guarantee you announcing you are in local is only going to put a large bulls eye in your direction. I know I wouldnt resist whether its a green zone or not.

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Originally by: Kevin Pulse

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The Freedom of Speech rights must be expanded within the EVE Online community for clearly and distinctivly reported 0.0 wars.

Signed

Kevin Space

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....

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Originally by: Zara Torbe

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I am a Confucian Authoritarian w*nker who is only happy when journalists write nice things about me!

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....

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Originally by: Davlos

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Originally by: Kevin Pulse

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The Freedom of Speech rights must be expanded within the EVE Online community for clearly and distinctivly reported 0.0 wars.

Signed

Kevin Space

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EVE Online =/= America.

Fail American.

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....

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Originally by: Davlos

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Edited by: Davlos on 14/02/2009 14:25:52
I'm sure that the universality of rights are so brilliant that the Klan, and various "Christian" militia are somehow allowed to continue to exist under the misinterpreted "right of assembly" and mishmash of "well-regulated militia" in a Constitution written by religious puritans naturally devoid of logic.

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Originally by: Proud American

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Originally by: Davlos

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Edited by: Davlos on 14/02/2009 14:25:52
I'm sure that the universality of rights are so brilliant that the Klan, and various "Christian" militia are somehow allowed to continue to exist under the misinterpreted "right of assembly" and mishmash of "well-regulated militia" in a Constitution written by religious puritans naturally devoid of logic.

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Puritans are not naturally devoid of logic. The fact that you wouldn't be allowed to say such a thing in Europe because of censorship proves that America is superior.

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....

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Originally by: Securitas Protector

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Edited by: Securitas Protector on 14/02/2009 08:38:57
Before I say anything at all, I realize this thread will probably be trolled and attacked to hell and back.

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Originally by: Harry Besebes

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What the goons report is true. We don't need to lie and spin because we don't have an e-honor to defend. Not all days are grape days, some are welp days.

The goon account of the disbanding of BoB was correct and complete. It even included an audio commentary by the mastermind for those too dumb to read. Our war reports also contain correct information.

People call us out because they can't accept the truth, or they have been so brainwashed by their internal propaganda machine that they can't see the truth.

Here is an idea for a story... why would a former BoB director rather be a peon in Goonswarm than a high ranking officer in BoB?

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Originally by: Baquack Obamailure

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Originally by: Davlos

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Originally by: Kevin Pulse

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The Freedom of Speech rights must be expanded within the EVE Online community for clearly and distinctivly reported 0.0 wars.

Signed

Kevin Space

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EVE Online =/= America.

Fail American.

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america is the shining beacon of justice in this world. the fact that you don't recognize the superiority and universality of our rights enshrined in the constitution saddens me

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Originally by: Securitas Protector

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Edited by: Securitas Protector on 14/02/2009 08:38:57
Before I say anything at all, I realize this thread will probably be trolled and attacked to hell and back. I'm not forcing anyone to participate or even expecting that anyone will, but I'm giving this a go.

In my article on Eve-Mag.com, I outlined a possible policy for how this would be instituted.

The Article

For those of you who are too lazy or otherwise don't want to click on it, here's the policy in short.

EVE will be mapped into red zones and green zones; red zones are areas not cleared for access by the residents(or sovereignty holders), while green zones are cleared for complete access.

The rules inside ôGreen Zonesö

* A journalist cannot be fired on by all agreeing parties

* A journalist may NOT fire on ANY other pilot unless first fired upon.

* A journalistÆs ship will be named ôReporterö or something to that effect.

* A journalist must be ôon assignmentö and working on a story. This is to prevent abuse of the system.

* A journalist will announce himself in local before entering.

* A journalistÆs biography will contain basic JI(Journalistic Immunity) guidelines OR he will provide a link in local.

* If a journalist is told to leave by sovereignty holders he or she will do so within a reasonable amount of time.

* A journalist may NOT rat or mine unless given explicit permission to do so.

* A journalist may ONLY publish intelligence(information provided by residents, not by local or eyesight) cleared by resident contact(CEO, director, or FC).

The reason for all of these rules is expressly so that the system will not be abused by the journalist, or in other words so just by being a member of some news network on off days, you canÆt just prance around other peopleÆs space.


The rules inside ôRed Zonesö

* A journalist may NOT fire on ANY other pilot unless first fired upon. YouÆre reporting a story, not starting a war.

* A journalist is on his or her own and can expect to be fired upon.

* And no matter what, a journalist on assignment is ALWAYS neutral.

If you are interested in making your alliance's or corporation's space a Green Zone, please EVEmail me or post here. If you have any ideas or suggestions, please reply.

Once again, I realize many may not like this idea and I respect that, but please keep the discussion here on topic.

*cough* THE INTERNET *cough*

Thanks,

Securitas

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Originally by: Kirex

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hey guys, im a reporter set me blue,k?

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Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker

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Major flaw in what you propose is: what are the alliances setting you to green get out of the deal?
I like the idea, but generally reporter aren't the best liked persons out there. If there is nothing to gain for the alliances, why should they offer you a breach in their security?
And it will be a breach, because you can bet, if you get access to major alliances, spies will be in your reporters, if you realize that, or not.

Then ask yourself, for what kind of stories do you really need to get to the territories of the alliances?

So better perhaps to start small (if you already got a few reporters willing to work with you). Why not ask some of the low sec residents and faction warfare teams, if they are willing to take in a reporter into their corp with minimal access, just enough to take them along on some of their ops. If you want to remain neutral, you can always tell your reporter to fit no offensiv weapons.
That way you can perhaps get a few interesting stories, and build up a reputation, so that others might be more interested to work with you.
I doubt trying to start big will work.

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Originally by: Davlos

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Originally by: Proud American

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Originally by: Davlos

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Edited by: Davlos on 14/02/2009 14:25:52
I'm sure that the universality of rights are so brilliant that the Klan, and various "Christian" militia are somehow allowed to continue to exist under the misinterpreted "right of assembly" and mishmash of "well-regulated militia" in a Constitution written by religious puritans naturally devoid of logic.

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Puritans are not naturally devoid of logic. The fact that you wouldn't be allowed to say such a thing in Europe because of censorship proves that America is superior.

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....whereby the lack of censorship has allowed the previously-mentioned entities (Klan, et al) to thrive?

I salute you. Neither do I reside in Europe.

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Originally by: Anita mann

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Originally by: Davlos

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Originally by: Proud American

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Originally by: Davlos

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Edited by: Davlos on 14/02/2009 14:25:52
I'm sure that the universality of rights are so brilliant that the Klan, and various "Christian" militia are somehow allowed to continue to exist under the misinterpreted "right of assembly" and mishmash of "well-regulated militia" in a Constitution written by religious puritans naturally devoid of logic.

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Puritans are not naturally devoid of logic. The fact that you wouldn't be allowed to say such a thing in Europe because of censorship proves that America is superior.

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....whereby the lack of censorship has allowed the previously-mentioned entities (Klan, et al) to thrive?

I salute you. Neither do I reside in Europe.

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French Canadian spotted

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....

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Originally by: Davlos

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in a Constitution written by religious puritans naturally devoid of logic.

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Originally by: Securitas Protector

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Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker

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Major flaw in what you propose is: what are the alliances setting you to green get out of the deal?
I like the idea, but generally reporter aren't the best liked persons out there. If there is nothing to gain for the alliances, why should they offer you a breach in their security?
And it will be a breach, because you can bet, if you get access to major alliances, spies will be in your reporters, if you realize that, or not.

Then ask yourself, for what kind of stories do you really need to get to the territories of the alliances?

So better perhaps to start small (if you already got a few reporters willing to work with you). Why not ask some of the low sec residents and faction warfare teams, if they are willing to take in a reporter into their corp with minimal access, just enough to take them along on some of their ops. If you want to remain neutral, you can always tell your reporter to fit no offensiv weapons.
That way you can perhaps get a few interesting stories, and build up a reputation, so that others might be more interested to work with you.
I doubt trying to start big will work.

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Thank you for this and for all the other constructive posters out there. This is actually what I was thinking of originally. To answer the concerns about spies, of course you can never purge all spies, but I was thinking reporters would be pulled from Eve-Mag, Eve-Tribune, and ENN, at least those that wanted to participate. Thus, you could view their reporting history.

Yes, you can never be 100% certain, but that is why said reporters must build up a reputation first. Even Chribba had to start with a little bit of trust sometime.

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Originally by: Two Beans

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Edited by: Two Beans on 15/02/2009 01:00:34

Originally by: Davlos

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in a Constitution written by religious puritans naturally devoid of logic.

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Read up on American History please, the framers of The Constitution were mostly secular gnostic Freemasons.


"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."

- James Madison, From "A Memorial and Remonstrance", 1785

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Originally by: Securitas Protector

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I feel like the conversation has degenerated somewhat.

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Originally by: Securitas Protector

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I feel like the conversation has degenerated somewhat. Regardless, I'll begin contacting alliances, see what they say. Maybe you're all right and it won't work. Can't hurt to try.

Thanks,

Securitas

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Originally by: UneFraiseDansUneChaise

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Originally by: Securitas Protector

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I feel like the conversation has degenerated somewhat. Regardless, I'll begin contacting alliances, see what they say. Maybe you're all right and it won't work. Can't hurt to try.

Thanks,

Securitas

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You latte-swilling Islamofascist "reporters" are just shills for the mainstream GBC-controlled media. If you don't support CEO Darius Johnson get the **** out of the way and let our patriotic Goonswarm Soldiers do their jobs.

Airman Fraise
916th Air Refueling Wing
US Air Force Reserve

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