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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2009.02.15 03:15:00 -
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(Preface: the patcher issues and my limited bandwidth for experimentation have defeated me for now. So I'm back to wondering and wishing, instead of testing.)
Back in November, Chronotis responded to a question about high TII rig prices with a very intriguing remark:
 Originally by: CCP Chronotis
There are a few changes in the pipes which help in this regard. Firstly we want to introduce size variant rigs and secondly salvage conversion so some quantity of broken salvage can be converted to intact T2 salvage. Beyond that the spring expansion will have rather a lot of content in it so it would not be unimaginable that other changes will be made there as well but certainly salvage conversion is something we have wanted for a long time.
Of course I'm clear that no remarks of this kind are bankable; it will happen when it happens and not a minute before. However, an optimist would read the "beyond that" as a hint that they hoped, back then, to get this content into the game before or during this spring expansion.
Has anybody heard any more recent rumors? Are there any hints in the database? I checked the market in the first patch for new items with "salvage" in the name (reasoning that they'd have to seed some salvage-related skill or device for salvage reprocessing) but found nothing.
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.15 03:32:00 -
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Haven't seen anything yet, no.
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DaOpa
Amarr
Static Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.15 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Marlenus
Has anybody heard any more recent rumors? Are there any hints in the database? I checked the market in the first patch for new items with "salvage" in the name (reasoning that they'd have to seed some salvage-related skill or device for salvage reprocessing) but found nothing.
I found alot of ancient salvage items that are coming from Sleeper Drones ..
This is the stuff thats needed for T3 components .. I havent seen anything for Rigs yet ...
i guess we need to stay tuned ...
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.15 17:49:00 -
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Thanks folks. I appreciate the feedback.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:22:00 -
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This would be appreciated. I'm not sure how much work it would be, though, as it's not just a matter of adding new items - smaller rigs somehow have to be made to work only with smaller ships. I'll be interested to see what comes of this, if anything.
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:23:00 -
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both these changes were high on our backlog but our "must" and "should haves" for Apocrypha took all our time (yay for agile terminology!). It is still something we want to do so will happen eventually but nothing will happen for Apocrypha currently on this front  .
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.16 15:29:00 -
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Ahh, crud. 
Thanks ever so much for the reply. Not the answer I was hoping for, but not a surprise, either.
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Rudolf Miller
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis
both these changes were high on our backlog but our "must" and "should haves" for Apocrypha took all our time (yay for agile terminology!). It is still something we want to do so will happen eventually but nothing will happen for Apocrypha currently on this front .
epic sad
next full patch? possibly a sub patch for apocrypha?
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keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.16 15:58:00 -
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:sadpanda:
... and I really think they should boost T2 plate HP.
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Suga H
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:04:00 -
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Adding in "sized" rigs would throw a major wrench in the current system, if you mean frigate/cruiser/battleship size. What would happen to the current rigs? The same rigs are being used in interceptors and capitals.
Now, if you mean meta rigs.. that.. would be awesome. Or make t2 a little more reasonably affordable / available. (honestly, it isn't too much of a problem right now)
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Suga H
Adding in "sized" rigs would throw a major wrench in the current system, if you mean frigate/cruiser/battleship size. What would happen to the current rigs? The same rigs are being used in interceptors and capitals.
Now, if you mean meta rigs.. that.. would be awesome. Or make t2 a little more reasonably affordable / available. (honestly, it isn't too much of a problem right now)
Adding 'sized' rigs is *exactly* what they're talking about. No, it wouldn't throw a wrench into the current system. All fit rigs would be placed in your inventory, and everyone would be allow to re-fit rigs as required.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Cailais
Amarr
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis
both these changes were high on our backlog but our "must" and "should haves" for Apocrypha took all our time (yay for agile terminology!). It is still something we want to do so will happen eventually but nothing will happen for Apocrypha currently on this front .
Ah...we've been here before.
1bil ISK it either
a. Never happens.
b. Wont happen before 2010.
C.
Originally by: Capa
So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
both these changes were high on our backlog but our "must" and "should haves" for Apocrypha took all our time (yay for agile terminology!). It is still something we want to do so will happen eventually but nothing will happen for Apocrypha currently on this front .
Ah...we've been here before.
1bil ISK it either
a. Never happens.
b. Wont happen before 2010.
C.
I'll take that bet 
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis
I'll take that bet
Now, that is heartening.
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Cailais
Amarr
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.02.16 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
both these changes were high on our backlog but our "must" and "should haves" for Apocrypha took all our time (yay for agile terminology!). It is still something we want to do so will happen eventually but nothing will happen for Apocrypha currently on this front .
Ah...we've been here before.
1bil ISK it either
a. Never happens.
b. Wont happen before 2010.
C.
I'll take that bet
/me realises too late that 'never' is an awfully long while to wait to get paid...
Nuts.
C.
Originally by: Capa
So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.16 20:17:00 -
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Doh! I'm a sucker. 
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NeoTheo
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.16 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
both these changes were high on our backlog but our "must" and "should haves" for Apocrypha took all our time (yay for agile terminology!). It is still something we want to do so will happen eventually but nothing will happen for Apocrypha currently on this front .
Ah...we've been here before.
1bil ISK it either
a. Never happens.
b. Wont happen before 2010.
C.
I'll take that bet
dont you still owe money on fuel bays for BO?
- F-OFF - ExE
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Avalira
Caldari
Pax Minor Asylum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo
dont you still owe money on fuel bays for BO?
Not if you also bet it'll never happen 
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Divine Star
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Posted - 2009.02.17 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Divine Star on 17/02/2009 02:03:11
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
both these changes were high on our backlog but our "must" and "should haves" for Apocrypha took all our time (yay for agile terminology!). It is still something we want to do so will happen eventually but nothing will happen for Apocrypha currently on this front .
/whine
As a non-explorer/highsec mission running carebare, this was the only Apocrypha item I was looking forward too. I could care less about the ability to make new cruisers, no matter how pretty, as none of these will ever be used to run level 4 missions.
A new fitting screen? /sarcasm Oh, it's in a circle shape now! Wonderful! /sarcasm off.
So, for the 80% of your playerbase that spends all or most of their time in high sec, what does Apocrypha offer now that we can no longer look forward to upgrading our BS with relatively cheaper Tech 2 rigs?
Feel free to enlighten us as to why this was dropped. I have heard rumors that ccp was unable to reach a consensus on the number of tech 1 items to make a tech 2 item. If that is the case, here is my suggestion: Copy the code from your gas harvesters and use a two times multiplier.
Therefore, skill level 1 - 10 to 1 conversion, skill level 2 - 8 to 1 conversion, 3 is 6 to 1, 4 is 4 to 1, and 5 is 2 to 1. ZOMG! 2 to 1 at level 5! The market will crash! Not really. The most popular rig in the game is the cargohold optimization, currently selling for 35 mil. The tech 2 version currently sells for 445 mil. A two to 1 conversion would decrease the commonality of tech 1 parts, raising the price slightly, my guess to 45 mil, and the tech 2 would then sell for a little over double that (due to invention costs on the bpc) or 100+ mil. Now the rig is affordable, but still expensive, for the extra 5% it gives.
Additionally, make the skill rank 16 so the tech 2 market doesn't crash overnight to the new prices, but drops over a period of several months as players slowly level the skill (at that rank, a few players will go for level 5 right away, but not enough to supply the entire player base, and I expect it to take 6 to 12 months before enough players have the skill at rank 5 to supply most regions.
Rigs that are currently worthless would still be worthless, and their tech 2 versions would also be worthless, which is a change, because right now these crappy tech 2 rigs are expensive to make.
I have not thought through a ship size conversion process, as I fly BS, and don't really care whether or not a Titan level rig should use 12 or 16 times the normal salvage to rig.
/whine off
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