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Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:58:00 -
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This is shocking But what is the reason? |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
300
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:00:00 -
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because of me
not trolling, not even a little bit |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
300
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:04:00 -
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to elaborate, all stockpiles are gone (everyone has assumed the tech nerf is right around the corner for a year+ so everybody has gotten rid of it)
and, i sell goonswarm's technetium and so I personally manage ~17-20% of all tech supply in the game, and i enjoy high tech prices
and demand is constant, but with the loss of stockpiles supply is down, and enough is in my hands i have the power to create shocks to hasten the price's rise
you'd all best get lubed, the only reason its only at 200k was i figured that was a good place for now instead of seeing if i could jack it to 250k in one go |

Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
431
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:07:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:to elaborate, all stockpiles are gone (everyone has assumed the tech nerf is right around the corner for a year+ so everybody has gotten rid of it)
and, i sell goonswarm's technetium and so I personally manage ~17-20% of all tech supply in the game, and i enjoy high tech prices
and demand is constant, but with the loss of stockpiles supply is down, and enough is in my hands i have the power to create shocks to hasten the price's rise
you'd all best get lubed, the only reason its only at 200k was i figured that was a good place for now instead of seeing if i could jack it to 250k in one go
kiss me Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |

Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:36:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:to elaborate, all stockpiles are gone (everyone has assumed the tech nerf is right around the corner for a year+ so everybody has gotten rid of it)
and, i sell goonswarm's technetium and so I personally manage ~17-20% of all tech supply in the game, and i enjoy high tech prices
and demand is constant, but with the loss of stockpiles supply is down, and enough is in my hands i have the power to create shocks to hasten the price's rise
you'd all best get lubed, the only reason its only at 200k was i figured that was a good place for now instead of seeing if i could jack it to 250k in one go
A poor pubbie like you?  |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:46:00 -
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oh no the nameless npc alt called me names im going to go cry in my 1t worth of tech a month |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
183
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:59:00 -
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moreover, he called you a name that didn't even make sense. all the more painful. |

Liberty Eternal
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:04:00 -
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Dorks |

Kieron VonDeux
12
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:42:00 -
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The elitism in this thread brings back memories of BoB back in the day. Funny how things change yet remain the same. |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
304
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:49:00 -
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this ain't elitism this is me getting empire's balls in a vise and spinning |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
237
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Posted - 2012.04.23 21:02:00 -
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Like akita said in his original analysis, at what relative price will people actually start using significantly less t2 stuff?
The sky really is the limit.
Also, financial terrorism gets me hot. Just sayin'. |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
185
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Posted - 2012.04.23 21:05:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Like akita said in his original analysis, at what relative price will people actually start using significantly less t2 stuff?
The sky really is the limit.
Also, financial terrorism gets me hot. Just sayin'.
minerals going nuts spikes the price of tech 1 goons such that the premium for tech 2 doesn't seem all that high. meanwhile tech 3 is in many cases inferior to their tech 2 equivalents in one way or another and in any case a mass movement out of tech 2 into tech 3 across all niche roles would spike the price on them such that people would still use tech 2 anyway.
convenient, huh? |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
305
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Posted - 2012.04.23 21:06:00 -
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AND you need tech to make all the new hulks people need now that mining is A Thing |

Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
10
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Posted - 2012.04.23 21:06:00 -
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Expensive modules make pvp better.
I wish you luck in your endeavours! |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
237
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Posted - 2012.04.23 21:08:00 -
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corestwo wrote:minerals going nuts spikes the price of tech 1 goons such that the premium for tech 2 doesn't seem all that high. meanwhile tech 3 is in many cases inferior to their tech 2 equivalents in one way or another and in any case a mass movement out of tech 2 into tech 3 across all niche roles would spike the price on them such that people would still use tech 2 anyway.
convenient, huh?
Yup. t2->t3 is quite the stretch, and the t1 mineral spike means you can ride, at the very least, the same percentage increase in t2 end products as the upcoming rise in t1 end products.
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
228
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Posted - 2012.04.23 22:33:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:this ain't elitism this is me getting empire's balls in a vise and spinning
Keep working the Vice 
I have enough Tungsten Carbide to make 500 Arks because the Technecium bottleneck has it being sold at welfare rates.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1049
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Posted - 2012.04.24 01:20:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:This is shocking  But what is the reason? The Dominion expansion, winter of 2009. It took this long to burn through the vast majority of old stockpiles. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
238
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Posted - 2012.04.24 01:30:00 -
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Akita T wrote:The Dominion expansion, winter of 2009. It took this long to burn through the vast majority of old stockpiles.
It would have been a lot sooner if not for the overall slump in game activity surrounding crucible. The general demand for stuff just wasn't there to really squeeze that bottleneck. As soon as activity resumed, tech began it's final ascent. |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
185
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Posted - 2012.04.24 01:37:00 -
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uh no stockpiles were gone awhile ago that's why it got as high as 120, 140, 150, 170, whatever, on its own.
this is Retar there finally deciding to flex his muscles |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
163
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Posted - 2012.04.24 02:10:00 -
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Announcing OTEC: Organization of Technetium Exporting Corporations - Ensuring Galactic Supply! #tweetfleet #eveonline https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani/status/194557192769241088
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/23/so-we-got-ourselves-a-nice-cartel-going/
Pretty soon the cheapest ships in Eve will be T3's fit with faction & meta 3 gear
I laugh when peeps tell me only ISK faucets cause inflation and I mention the oil crisis of the 70's ( remember OPEC? ): To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
207
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Posted - 2012.04.24 02:15:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Akita T wrote:The Dominion expansion, winter of 2009. It took this long to burn through the vast majority of old stockpiles. It would have been a lot sooner if not for the overall slump in game activity surrounding crucible. The general demand for stuff just wasn't there to really squeeze that bottleneck. As soon as activity resumed, tech began it's final ascent. Don't forget that Incarna also drove down game activity, pushing our tech squeeze play back five months. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
239
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Posted - 2012.04.24 02:18:00 -
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I meant Incarna.
Thanks. |

SlayerOfArgus
Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.04.24 08:05:00 -
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Oh God things are going to get interesting. Drone poo nerfs, no more meta 0 item drops AND tech spikes? Welcome to Eve Online: Speculation  |

Callduron
129
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Posted - 2012.04.24 08:39:00 -
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Eve News 24 has picked up the story.
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/23/so-we-got-ourselves-a-nice-cartel-going/ |

Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.04.24 09:17:00 -
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Who cares? Those who has enough capital don't care and will harvest the profits. The rest is the underclass paying our profits thanks to mittani. That's capitalism. EVE isn't fair. |

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
168
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Posted - 2012.04.24 09:36:00 -
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I was wondering why t2 prices were going up fast even though they barely use any basic minerals. I don't pay attention to t2 production so I assumed tech spiked and peaked a long time ago. Not sure why anyone would dump when prices could only possibly go up.
Again, I don't know much about t2 production, how much would the average t2 ship go up in cost if tech went up like he is saying 200k to 250k? |

trademeyourmoneys
billionaire boyz club
1
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Posted - 2012.04.24 09:56:00 -
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lol at the guy saying he makes 1 tril a month from tech, even when PL owned most of tech moons in the north only a few personal tech moons were handed out. 100% believable story bro. |

Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.04.24 09:59:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:I was wondering why t2 prices were going up fast even though they barely use any basic minerals. I don't pay attention to t2 production so I assumed tech spiked and peaked a long time ago. Not sure why anyone would dump when prices could only possibly go up.
Again, I don't know much about t2 production, how much would the average t2 ship go up in cost if tech went up like he is saying 200k to 250k?
More expensive T2 ships aren't used in common fleet fights in 0.0, but command ships, heavy dictors, dictors. A more common ship is the Abaddon, Maelstrom, Drake, Hurricane and Tier3 BC.
But the fittings are usual T2. |

McCRAZY
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
6
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Posted - 2012.04.24 10:22:00 -
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Personally i still have my pre dominion stockpile of tech but its insignificantly small.
Assuming all tech reaches the market each month is it possible to assume there would be an implied roof in the price, ie 15 bil, for a jump freighter, 1 bil for a hulk puts most people out of the picture in terms of owning one. I guess the variable which changes this is the fact that the tech holding groups have the ability to essentially continue holding back technetium from the market without adversely affecting their own ability to function as an entity. |

Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.04.24 10:42:00 -
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They don't have to hold back any Tech because the amount of moons are to low.
In the moment there is a price run. Those who make reactions and are able to buy early Technetium for the next run, selling their stuff to prices calculated for higher Tech prices. And to get more fire into this race, the investments per tower is at a rate of 2b per tower per week. The amount of pos owners able to finance this race should be shrinking and this causes higher prices. |

xCassiopiax
V I R I I Ineluctable.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 11:00:00 -
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Say Bye Bye to tec in the next patch, make your money while you can  |

Callduron
129
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Posted - 2012.04.24 11:01:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:They don't have to hold back any Tech because the amount of moons are to low.
In the moment there is a price run. Those who make reactions and are able to buy early Technetium for the next run, selling their stuff to prices calculated for higher Tech prices. And to get more fire into this race, the investments per tower is at a rate of 2b per tower per week. The amount of pos owners able to finance this race should be shrinking and this causes higher prices.
Sorry, that's nonsense. Technetium is not affected by the cost to run a POS. That would only affect marginal moon minerals like Vanadium or some such.
Every Tech moon pays far more than the cost to run the pos and is exploited every second it's not being actively conquered. |

Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.04.24 11:07:00 -
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Sorry, my error. It was related to recaction POSs and nanotransistor prices |

Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.04.24 11:08:00 -
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xCassiopiax wrote:Say Bye Bye to tec in the next patch, make your money while you can 
I guess this initiative of Mittani has of course the purpose to force CCP to do something with the empire and the moongoo. |

Callduron
129
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Posted - 2012.04.24 14:04:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:xCassiopiax wrote:Say Bye Bye to tec in the next patch, make your money while you can  I guess this initiative of Mittani has of course the purpose to force CCP to do something with the empire and the moongoo.
It could be but I don't think so. Remember he's first and foremost an officer of his alliance, not a pro bono agent for good in Eve. I think he simply wants Goons to make a ton of money and have loads of fun getting blown up in reimburseable ships.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
579
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Posted - 2012.04.24 14:34:00 -
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Just for accuracies sake, here are the 2 original Tweets from last night: ____________________________________________________________
The MittaniGÇĹ@TheMittani
My finance team is colluding with our former enemies to smash the price of tech past 200k. #tweetfleet #eveonline #firstgalaxyproblems 5 Retweets 2 Favorites 4:30 PM - 23 Apr 12via web -+ DetailsReplyRetweet
Announcing OTEC: Organization of Technetium Exporting Corporations - Ensuring Galactic Supply! #tweetfleet #eveonline 20 Retweets 3 Favorites 6:43 PM - 23 Apr 12via web -+ DetailsReplyRetweet
There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |

ViciousCycle
Dark One Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:31:00 -
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[yawn]
so what. Mittani is mad at ccp? this isn't news.
what could ccp do about it if they chose to? enable moon mining inside wormholes -- which could increase the available volume of moon materials by 50% or more depending on how they seed the minerals and cause prices to dive no matter what the Goons want.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
581
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:44:00 -
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ViciousCycle wrote:[yawn]
That's the LAST thing you will want to do after Sunday  There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |

Callduron
129
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Posted - 2012.04.24 17:30:00 -
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I think there's a few things CCP can do, all of which lead to interesting gameplay.
1) Nerf tech by changing recipes to use different minerals. This is the obvious fix, it's just not very logical that a rarity 32 mineral should control the market so strongly. For example they could make Platinum Technite consume only half as much Technetium to make (eg 50 Technetium, 150 Platinum). Or they could change recipes so that some key recipes use a different reacted product from Platinum Technite.
2) Add more tech moons. This would light a fire under whichever region got them and it's always good to see more fighting.
3) Alchemy. Add tech reactions. Who needs Deklein when you can make Tech in the bath tub with common household products?
4) Leave it. This is particularly possible if they feel there isn't a genuine shortage, it's a shortage manufactured by clever players who were in the right place at the right time. In some ways this is the most interesting option because it makes Eve a King of the Hill type game with the CFC currently sitting on the top of the hill. Would we see a major nullsec coalition form to try to take the north west? Almost certainly at some stage.
It's a risky strategy though because if people feel they can't organise against the Goons we risk seeing people lose heart for null sec gameplay. In King of the Hill games if players know they'll never be King they may stop playing. |

VagabondAlt
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:01:00 -
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as a reminder goonswarm went from penniless space hobos running an alliance on the backs of promises and ratting taxes to the 1t a month behemoth you see today, while the old guard tech alliances (the NC) all lost their space (though our good buddies RAZOR are now back in it) |

Celi Annor
LaMar Associates
1
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:27:00 -
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Simple, just fix alchemy and change 1 of the current useless reactions to tech. It will cap tech and not very difficult to "code" |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1185

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Posted - 2012.04.24 23:03:00 -
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Please do not create multiple threads about the same topic.
Thread locked.
You can continue discussions about this topic here. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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