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IIISAAC
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:03:00 -
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so, I was doing lv2 missions after apocrypha update, and with my cyclone bc which earlier matched against rats easily, I had to fall back and after that I had to change to hurricane because it have armor repairer so I dont have to pay for repairs, that was also fitted for pve well enough, with it I had to fall back 2 times, and mission is still there, but I cant do it because rats are just too hard
I mean lv2 mission is too hard for bc, aint that kinda ridiculous?
I remember someone saying that now rats will be fun because now they think, well this aint no fun. repairing cyclones armor isnt cheap for my budget, its more than I get from lv2 mission.
otherwise apocrypha was great great update, it brought much that eve needed, but now rats are just too hard in my opinion.
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:03:00 -
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No, you simply suck because lvl2s are like they always used to be. Please reaize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal Please stop messing my sig - Val |
IIISAAC
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: IIISAAC on 13/03/2009 12:43:00 Edited by: IIISAAC on 13/03/2009 12:41:48
Originally by: Valandril No, you simply suck because lvl2s are like they always used to be.
well wasnt that constructing comment. easiest answer for everything " you suck ". besides, missions are like before but rats aint. they¦re harder as ccp said they¦d become after apocrypha.
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:46:00 -
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No they didn't, only WH rats got tougher. Please reaize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal Please stop messing my sig - Val |
IIISAAC
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: IIISAAC on 13/03/2009 13:07:10 then there¦s something anyway wrong with missions, some of them are just too hard.
earlier had no problems with lvl2. something, if it isn¦t AI, is wrong. a bug or something. I dont think after apocrypha in one day I started to "simply suck".
and my other corp members have noticed that too.
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.13 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: IIISAAC Edited by: IIISAAC on 13/03/2009 12:57:37 nnnope it included all A.I.¦s, they¦re all improved. I already petitioned about this, and they¦d say if it only included WH rats, and what sense it¦d be to say that they¦d make a.i. harder if it¦d only include new rats on new areas, because wh rats havent earlier existed, because whole wh thing is new feature
Right from the patch notes Quote: New AI will be applied to the Sleeper NPCÆs which allows them to prioritize and change targets at will. This makes PvE combat feel more like PvP. These NPCÆs will now repair each other, change targets based on offensive capabilities, logistics or ECM threat. CCP Incognito provides much more detail in his blog How the AI pew pews the player.
And from the linked dev blog: Quote: We are not going to change 80% of the NPCs in the game. Your faction-fit Navy XXXX is still going to allow you to run LV 4 missions solo. We haven't changed the NPCs that spawn in belts, nor in any of the classic dungeons, but that may change in future iterations (post-Apocrypha).
So, no, they ONLY did sleeper AI and some officer AI... _
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IIISAAC
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Posted - 2009.03.13 13:08:00 -
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then there¦s something anyway wrong with missions, some of them are just too hard.
earlier had no problems with lvl2. something, if it isn¦t AI, is wrong. a bug or something. I dont think after apocrypha in one day I started to "simply suck".
and my other corp members have noticed that too.
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.03.13 13:10:00 -
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Well there is one wrong thing, you suck. Get over it and revisit your ship. Please reaize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal Please stop messing my sig - Val |
Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.03.13 13:22:00 -
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"You Suck" certainly isn't productive...
It would help if you outlined the following:
Your Ship Your Setup The mission name
With these three extra pieces of information, we can tell you what you are doing wrong. Suffice to say though, regular missions have not changed for Apocrypha. ---
Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.03.13 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cedric Diggory "You Suck" certainly isn't productive...
It would help if you outlined the following:
Your Ship Your Setup The mission name
With these three extra pieces of information, we can tell you what you are doing wrong. Suffice to say though, regular missions have not changed for Apocrypha.
This is not carebears & fluffys forum but features and ideas. Reason why he think missions are broken is as simple as the fact that he, well, suck at running them. If he wants help with why he suck at them, he can go to "carebears & fluffys" which i don't read ;p Please reaize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal Please stop messing my sig - Val |
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IIISAAC
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Posted - 2009.03.13 13:25:00 -
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*sigh* I found that talking to you is useless. your answer anyway that I suck. whatever. I already said why that wont be answer to my problem, if you wont get it, whatever. I anyway got my thing said, something changed with my lvl2 missions since apocrypha, earlier had no problems but now there is.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Eclats de verre
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Posted - 2009.03.13 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: IIISAAC so, I was doing lv2 missions after apocrypha update, and with my cyclone bc which earlier matched against rats easily, I had to fall back and after that I had to change to hurricane because it have armor repairer so I dont have to pay for repairs, that was also fitted for pve well enough, with it I had to fall back 2 times, and mission is still there, but I cant do it because rats are just too hard
Please define how they are 'too hard'. Are you missing them? Are they armor/shield tanking your damage with ease? For the targets you guns miss, do you have light scout drones?
Originally by: IIISAAC I mean lv2 mission is too hard for bc, aint that kinda ridiculous?
BC in lvl 2 sounds very wrong to me.
Originally by: IIISAAC I remember someone saying that now rats will be fun because now they think, well this aint no fun. repairing cyclones armor isnt cheap for my budget, its more than I get from lv2 mission.
Why pay? Dock, fit an armor repairer, undock, repair it, when finished, dock again : it's FREE!
Originally by: IIISAAC otherwise apocrypha was great great update, it brought much that eve needed, but now rats are just too hard in my opinion.
Usual rats didn't change in terms of AI. But their stats could have been updated.
If you told us what mission against what faction, from what corporation in what region, maybe we can either conclude that some rat present in those missions has been boosted while it shouldn't have or some bug has been introduced causing the rats to make more damage?
PS : cyclone tanks great, how did you get into armor? -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! |
Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.03.13 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 13/03/2009 14:44:18
Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Cedric Diggory "You Suck" certainly isn't productive...
It would help if you outlined the following:
Your Ship Your Setup The mission name
With these three extra pieces of information, we can tell you what you are doing wrong. Suffice to say though, regular missions have not changed for Apocrypha.
This is not carebears & fluffys forum but features and ideas.
Yeah, and this definitely isn't COAD either. I agree with Cedric. Actually the OP posted in the wrong forum in the first place. But that doesn't justify flaming him.
To the OP: dude, you shouldn't have any problem whatsoever with L2's if you're flying a battlecruiser. BCs are overpowered for all but some very few level 2 missions. I guess your fitting has some flaws, or you're using medium drones and no high slots to effectively combat NPC frigates.
Anyway, you should be posting your problem in the mission or ships & fitting forum.
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:15:00 -
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Since when beeing sincere and using direct laungage is flaming ? Please reaize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal Please stop messing my sig - Val |
Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril Since when beeing sincere and using direct laungage is flaming ?
I can very sincerely and very directly, using the simplest language I know, tell you that you are being a douche and a tool. That said, it's still flaming you.
Cause I could have refrained from insulting you, and simply pointed out what you'd said and why it was both an insult and a flame. But, sometimes there's no better lesson than an ironic one.
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Shassandra
Gallente Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2009.03.14 11:58:00 -
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I honestly agree with Valandril on this one. For the simple reason of what the OP posted.
Apparently, he armor-tanks his Cyclone and doesn't tank his Hurricane.
There-in lies your problem from the start. Cyclone has bonus to SHIELD-tanking, and therefore DOES NOT need an armor-repairer, as damage from level 2 missions should NOT go through a small shield booster running with any sort of shield tank (hell, even a passive works).
Hurricane on the other hand, with the numerous LOW SLOTS it has, is perfectly suited for armor tanking.
Therefore, I agree with Valandril. IIISAAC, sorry to tell you, but you suck
Med slots = Shield tanking Low slots = Armor tanking
A ship with more lowslots than medslots is considered an armor tanker, likewise the other way around (rule of thumb).
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Thorson Wiles
Minmatar M3 Co-Op
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Posted - 2009.03.14 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: IIISAAC so, I was doing lv2 missions after apocrypha update, and with my cyclone bc which earlier matched against rats easily, I had to fall back and after that I had to change to hurricane because it have armor repairer so I dont have to pay for repairs, that was also fitted for pve well enough, with it I had to fall back 2 times, and mission is still there, but I cant do it because rats are just too hard
Another person asked what mission was it that gave you the problems? (I think I know which one it was, but I won't post more based upon assumptions)
Quote: I mean lv2 mission is too hard for bc, aint that kinda ridiculous?
Heh, I can think of one that took me a long time because I didn't know how to run it right.
Quote: I remember someone saying that now rats will be fun because now they think, well this aint no fun. repairing cyclones armor isnt cheap for my budget, its more than I get from lv2 mission.
Buy an armor repair, and fit it on the ship. Undock, repair the ship, dock and swap it out.
And, no, the new AI is only applied to the Sleepers and maybe null/low sec officer spawns. (Nothing in missions)
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Rhohan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.14 19:25:00 -
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Med guns on a lvl 2 mission can be pretty ineffective, depending on your skills how you fit it, and the mission.
But, as many have stated, you have complained alot about changes and peoples replys, but have yet to share your fit or mission...
A Forum Mod should probably move this thread to the mission and complexes forum.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.14 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: IIISAAC so, I was doing lv2 missions after apocrypha update, and with my cyclone....
Here's the problem right here. You need a BC to do lvl 2's? I was soloing lvl 2's in a destroyer when I was 3 months old. And that was back when we started with 30,000 sp or whatever.
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Ivy Scorn
Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.03.14 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Here's the problem right here. You need a BC to do lvl 2's? I was soloing lvl 2's in a destroyer when I was 3 months old. And that was back when we started with 30,000 sp or whatever.
now that's cool! almost as good as shooting your feet - both of them to make it good - and then *walking* to the hospital.
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David Grogan
Gallente The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2009.03.14 21:00:00 -
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ive even been able to do some lvl 2 missions in a frigate
i see no change in rats since apoc patch SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.14 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ivy Scorn now that's cool! almost as good as shooting your feet - both of them to make it good - and then *walking* to the hospital.
What are you goin on about?
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ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.16 12:41:00 -
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perhaps some changes were made - why dont u try low sec ratting theres better spawns
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leich
Amarr Knights of the Old Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.16 12:58:00 -
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Forget rats in missions rats in belts now seem to arrive late. Ie They never seem to be in belt when i arrive and turn up a few seconds later.
I think they must have made some small changes to rats.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.03.16 15:15:00 -
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how can you not be able to do a lvl 2 mission in a bc? you can do these in a cruiser no problem, and do them in a t2 frig too, in a t1 frig with high skills and a well controlled ship too.
so all in all, you are really doing it wrong, so up in the mission forum and ask for help ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Thorson Wiles
Minmatar M3 Co-Op
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Posted - 2009.03.16 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: leich Forget rats in missions rats in belts now seem to arrive late. Ie They never seem to be in belt when i arrive and turn up a few seconds later.
I think they must have made some small changes to rats.
Belt rats warp in when they spawn, and have the same 'invulnerable' period while on your overview, but still exiting warp.
That's it, that's the only change to high-sec rats, mission or belts.
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Thorson Wiles
Minmatar M3 Co-Op
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Posted - 2009.03.16 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars how can you not be able to do a lvl 2 mission in a bc? you can do these in a cruiser no problem, and do them in a t2 frig too, in a t1 frig with high skills and a well controlled ship too.
so all in all, you are really doing it wrong, so up in the mission forum and ask for help
Skilling quickly up to BC without ensuring all the other skills are at a decent level, and trying to fight a Recon 1 mission.
But, yep, he's doing it wrong.
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.16 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cedric Diggory "You Suck" certainly isn't productive...
It would help if you outlined the following:
Your Ship Your Setup
/me is still waiting for the MY BATTLECRUISER WAS FIT WITH THE FOLOWING: reply... _
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