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Roderic Excelion
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Posted - 2004.08.22 13:25:00 -
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Thayt asside, the signature boost means that so long as you up your tracking you cant miss. I got hit by a heavy laser cos I turned on my MWD to ourtun the guns. I didn't last long, but thats hardly a surprise.
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Roderic Excelion
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Posted - 2004.08.22 13:25:00 -
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Thayt asside, the signature boost means that so long as you up your tracking you cant miss. I got hit by a heavy laser cos I turned on my MWD to ourtun the guns. I didn't last long, but thats hardly a surprise.
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Roderic Excelion
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Posted - 2004.08.22 13:43:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Cruz
NO BS gun will hit a MWDing interceptor... ever.
Yea, right. lost mine to a megabeam laser. What are you on?
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Roderic Excelion
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Posted - 2004.08.22 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
NO BS gun will hit a MWDing interceptor... ever.
Yea, right. lost mine to a megabeam laser. What are you on?
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Anjerrai Meloanis
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Posted - 2004.08.22 16:25:00 -
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all this being said dont you think the simple solution is to take away the small interceptors cap and force it to stop and fre missiles at it point blank range? the heavy nos has a 21km range, perfect for inty killing, hell if they get close use an energy weapon, that works just as well. stop trying to use the same setup for killing them and reconsider your options and modules, there are plenty to choose from!
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Anjerrai Meloanis
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Posted - 2004.08.22 16:25:00 -
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all this being said dont you think the simple solution is to take away the small interceptors cap and force it to stop and fre missiles at it point blank range? the heavy nos has a 21km range, perfect for inty killing, hell if they get close use an energy weapon, that works just as well. stop trying to use the same setup for killing them and reconsider your options and modules, there are plenty to choose from!
uh. |
Ghosthunter
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Posted - 2004.08.22 16:46:00 -
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you get signature increase when you use it? or its tthere even if you''r not useing it? **********************************************************
2004.08.28 20:06:14combatYour Heavy Ion Blaster I perfectly strikes Pirate Transport Ship, wrecking for 259.5 damage.
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Ghosthunter
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Posted - 2004.08.22 16:46:00 -
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you get signature increase when you use it? or its tthere even if you''r not useing it? **********************************************************
2004.08.28 20:06:14combatYour Heavy Ion Blaster I perfectly strikes Pirate Transport Ship, wrecking for 259.5 damage.
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.08.22 17:04:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Roderic Excelion
Originally by: Cruz
NO BS gun will hit a MWDing interceptor... ever.
Yea, right. lost mine to a megabeam laser. What are you on?
Your right hes not quite correct, no bs gun will hit an interceptor on mwd unless your an ejit heading in a straight line towards/away at range Mostly harmless |
Grut
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Posted - 2004.08.22 17:04:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Roderic Excelion
Originally by: Cruz
NO BS gun will hit a MWDing interceptor... ever.
Yea, right. lost mine to a megabeam laser. What are you on?
Your right hes not quite correct, no bs gun will hit an interceptor on mwd unless your an ejit heading in a straight line towards/away at range Mostly harmless |
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.08.22 17:48:00 -
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Every fighter currently in production has afterburners.
Since when should there never be a "no-brainer" module?
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.08.22 17:48:00 -
[102]
Every fighter currently in production has afterburners.
Since when should there never be a "no-brainer" module?
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.08.22 17:52:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Ghosthunter you get signature increase when you use it? or its tthere even if you''r not useing it?
Only when you use it. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.08.22 17:52:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Ghosthunter you get signature increase when you use it? or its tthere even if you''r not useing it?
Only when you use it. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Ghosthunter
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Posted - 2004.08.22 18:02:00 -
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k, thx **********************************************************
2004.08.28 20:06:14combatYour Heavy Ion Blaster I perfectly strikes Pirate Transport Ship, wrecking for 259.5 damage.
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Ghosthunter
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Posted - 2004.08.22 18:02:00 -
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k, thx **********************************************************
2004.08.28 20:06:14combatYour Heavy Ion Blaster I perfectly strikes Pirate Transport Ship, wrecking for 259.5 damage.
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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.08.22 23:33:00 -
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The missile change will have a GREAT impact on how many frigs will use mwd's and even more how many pilots will choose a cruiser without that ******* 100mn ab and 10mn mwd ...
Note: Oversized AB's and mwd's need to be nerfed with this change (not any other oversized mods tho!)
... have you EVER noticed that a cruiser gets WTFPWND by cruise and torps?
So to get it clear: Missiles will be fast enough to hit even mwding frigs and ints! but they would also do the same dmg if or if the frig wont use its mwd...
... that way he maybe wont even fit a mwd!!!!
This will adress this particular problem: A mwd WILL NOT BE A "NO BRAINER" module anymore.
TBH I want the mwd nerfed, and through this change we will achieve that ...
Greetings Grim |
Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.08.22 23:33:00 -
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The missile change will have a GREAT impact on how many frigs will use mwd's and even more how many pilots will choose a cruiser without that ******* 100mn ab and 10mn mwd ...
Note: Oversized AB's and mwd's need to be nerfed with this change (not any other oversized mods tho!)
... have you EVER noticed that a cruiser gets WTFPWND by cruise and torps?
So to get it clear: Missiles will be fast enough to hit even mwding frigs and ints! but they would also do the same dmg if or if the frig wont use its mwd...
... that way he maybe wont even fit a mwd!!!!
This will adress this particular problem: A mwd WILL NOT BE A "NO BRAINER" module anymore.
TBH I want the mwd nerfed, and through this change we will achieve that ...
Greetings Grim |
Nilit
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Posted - 2004.08.23 00:02:00 -
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Problem.Main advantage frigates have over other ship classes is speed , however their base speed is only a fraction higher than other ship classes.That's why people fit MWDs as standart-fit on frigates.
Give frigs base speed of 1.5km/sec - 4km/sec ?
No.
Why ? Because people will still fit MWDs to make them even faster.
Stop fixing something that ain't broken.
Arguing with EVE customer support is like chatting up stewardess on the plane - you know you're not gonna get any , but it's still hella fun trying |
Nilit
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Posted - 2004.08.23 00:02:00 -
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Problem.Main advantage frigates have over other ship classes is speed , however their base speed is only a fraction higher than other ship classes.That's why people fit MWDs as standart-fit on frigates.
Give frigs base speed of 1.5km/sec - 4km/sec ?
No.
Why ? Because people will still fit MWDs to make them even faster.
Stop fixing something that ain't broken.
Arguing with EVE customer support is like chatting up stewardess on the plane - you know you're not gonna get any , but it's still hella fun trying |
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Ordo Abchao
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Posted - 2004.08.23 05:50:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Lansfear
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Spec 593357629
lost my interceptor today Because of MWD penalty. Orbiting at 20k with mwd and warp diruptor. so to keep target scrambled i turned off mwd Hey with my low sig radius and my still decent speed i should be fine right. Nope All powerfull torpedoes got me ohh yeh forgot missles dont have to worry about tracking at all. WAY TO FRIKING BALENCE thing out for us pilots..
You lost your interceptor to a torpedo going 700m/s.........
You don't read very well, or you only fly BS's.
No mwd = missles pwn you.
With mwd = guns pwn you.
Its a loss loss situation. THis is why I only fight other frig/ceptors now, it's to horribly imbalanced.
NO BS gun will hit a MWDing interceptor... ever.
2004.07.12 03:17:00
Destroyed Type: Claw Solar System: BKG-Q2 System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Ordo Abchao (laid the final blow) Security Status: -0.3 Corporation: m0o Corp Ship Type: Tempest Weapon Type: 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I
Destroyed items:
Type: Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 200mm AutoCannon I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: 200mm AutoCannon I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Capacitor Power Relay I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Capacitor Power Relay I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Capacitor Power Relay I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I (Cargo) Quantity: 399
Type: Piranha Light Missile I (Cargo) Quantity: 36
Type: Piranha Light Missile I (Cargo) Quantity: 30
Type: Titanium Sabot S (Cargo) Quantity: 23
Order out of Chaos |
Ordo Abchao
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Posted - 2004.08.23 05:50:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Lansfear
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Spec 593357629
lost my interceptor today Because of MWD penalty. Orbiting at 20k with mwd and warp diruptor. so to keep target scrambled i turned off mwd Hey with my low sig radius and my still decent speed i should be fine right. Nope All powerfull torpedoes got me ohh yeh forgot missles dont have to worry about tracking at all. WAY TO FRIKING BALENCE thing out for us pilots..
You lost your interceptor to a torpedo going 700m/s.........
You don't read very well, or you only fly BS's.
No mwd = missles pwn you.
With mwd = guns pwn you.
Its a loss loss situation. THis is why I only fight other frig/ceptors now, it's to horribly imbalanced.
NO BS gun will hit a MWDing interceptor... ever.
2004.07.12 03:17:00
Destroyed Type: Claw Solar System: BKG-Q2 System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Ordo Abchao (laid the final blow) Security Status: -0.3 Corporation: m0o Corp Ship Type: Tempest Weapon Type: 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I
Destroyed items:
Type: Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 200mm AutoCannon I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: 200mm AutoCannon I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Capacitor Power Relay I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Capacitor Power Relay I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Capacitor Power Relay I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I (Cargo) Quantity: 399
Type: Piranha Light Missile I (Cargo) Quantity: 36
Type: Piranha Light Missile I (Cargo) Quantity: 30
Type: Titanium Sabot S (Cargo) Quantity: 23
Order out of Chaos |
Selim
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Posted - 2004.08.23 09:22:00 -
[113]
A mwding frigate is harder to hit than a non mwding frigate depending on the acceleration control skill, *unless* its heading directly toward or away from the enemy.
So even with the missile changes, people will still fit MWD's to dodge gunfire better. Noobs will still die, like the Claw pilot that Ordo killed, because they were heading in a straight line to or fro the enemy, but any experienced frigate pilot with a mwd will not be hit by a battleship gun unless he's at extreme range.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.08.23 09:22:00 -
[114]
A mwding frigate is harder to hit than a non mwding frigate depending on the acceleration control skill, *unless* its heading directly toward or away from the enemy.
So even with the missile changes, people will still fit MWD's to dodge gunfire better. Noobs will still die, like the Claw pilot that Ordo killed, because they were heading in a straight line to or fro the enemy, but any experienced frigate pilot with a mwd will not be hit by a battleship gun unless he's at extreme range.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:13:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Ordo Abchao
[...] Destroyed items:
Type: Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters (Fitted - Medium slot)
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Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters... Named MWD? That's a 525% signature boost, not just the plain 500%, by the way.
Running a named MWD is like painting a target on your backside. The whole thing's so nonlinear that one moment your invincable, and the next, you're being hit by even 1400mms without tracking boosters. Named MWDs are ussually just enough to put you into the latter catagory.
Harry Voyager
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ordo Abchao
[...] Destroyed items:
Type: Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters (Fitted - Medium slot)
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Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters... Named MWD? That's a 525% signature boost, not just the plain 500%, by the way.
Running a named MWD is like painting a target on your backside. The whole thing's so nonlinear that one moment your invincable, and the next, you're being hit by even 1400mms without tracking boosters. Named MWDs are ussually just enough to put you into the latter catagory.
Harry Voyager
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OrbitalEffect
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Posted - 2004.08.23 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters... Named MWD? That's a 525% signature boost, not just the plain 500%, by the way.
Running a named MWD is like painting a target on your backside. The whole thing's so nonlinear that one moment your invincable, and the next, you're being hit by even 1400mms without tracking boosters. Named MWDs are ussually just enough to put you into the latter catagory.
Harry Voyager
Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but don't MWDs increase your sig radius, essentially decreasing lock time for your opponent? Once locked, it's a matter of tracking speed in which case, wouldn't the MWD be worth it?
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OrbitalEffect
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Posted - 2004.08.23 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters... Named MWD? That's a 525% signature boost, not just the plain 500%, by the way.
Running a named MWD is like painting a target on your backside. The whole thing's so nonlinear that one moment your invincable, and the next, you're being hit by even 1400mms without tracking boosters. Named MWDs are ussually just enough to put you into the latter catagory.
Harry Voyager
Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but don't MWDs increase your sig radius, essentially decreasing lock time for your opponent? Once locked, it's a matter of tracking speed in which case, wouldn't the MWD be worth it?
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.08.23 16:59:00 -
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the lamest part of it all is the way mwds were found to be a valuable part in combat and now the mwd is a big big factor in balancing, pvp style and npc fighting style.
I would like to know why the mwd was "invented" I would guess it wasn't for combat.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.08.23 16:59:00 -
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the lamest part of it all is the way mwds were found to be a valuable part in combat and now the mwd is a big big factor in balancing, pvp style and npc fighting style.
I would like to know why the mwd was "invented" I would guess it wasn't for combat.
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