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Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:42:00 -
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How I'd like to see it implemented:
1.Design:
a: Camo, Matte, Gloss, Metallic, Pearlescent options for Trim and Main layer.
b: Give each race a limited color palette, probably selectable from within the current playable variants and NPC variants to stay true to the current art style.
c: Choose from a base set of styles decided on by CCP, no wacky pink or cute spaceships.
2.Options:
a: 3 Layers to change; Main, Trim, Running lights.
b: Custom exhaust color.
c: Custom Decals
3.Execution:
a: Sell 3 options for number of uses: 1, 5, 10 use Tickets
b: Paint jobs are removable once finalized becoming a "module" once in this state it can no longer be changed. It can then be sold on the market for ISK.
c: Paint jobs are destroyed with the ship.
d: Make the price for them painless, so people keep coming back for more. 10,000 1 dollar sales are better than 100 20 dollar sales.
e: Rare limited edition skins for higher prices could pop up on the Nex store, or be given out as prizes/gifts.
Opinions?
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Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:52:00 -
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How about we never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever add more to the NeX. |
Remistor Callaway
Talos Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:03:00 -
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I dont want to see paint jobs on the nex store. It will make paint jobs unaffordable and even more useless. Clothes are already very expensive for their purpose, but at least there is no way to destroy them like a ship.
Paint jobs should be paid with ISK directly from the wallet(let say 1mil per paint job), a may be only some station could offer the service, like the medical center for clones.
I agree on the "no pink" part. I dont want to see gold plated ship neither.
I agree that some kind of system like the Forza storefront could be nice in EVE. Sell paint jobs to the market for ISK etc...
Custom engines trails: NO. They are already a race "signature". A Minmatar ship with blue trails makes no sense. |
Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:13:00 -
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I want a spore-eqsue way to paint ships. You can pick full, ready made skins, or you can make your own from separate parts and colors. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:14:00 -
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Remistor Callaway wrote: Custom engines trails: NO. They are already a race "signature". A Minmatar ship with blue trails makes no sense.
If you customize your Minmitar ship with blue running lights and a primarily black paint job, why would red/orange trails make any sense?
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Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:16:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:I want a spore-eqsue way to paint ships. You can pick full, ready made skins, or you can make your own from separate parts and colors.
Uh...my post included everything you said. |
Epiphaniess
Verboten Technologies
503
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:23:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:How about we never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever add more to the NeX.
Well it seems that is not going to happen, it seems that CCP has plans to add some more clothing options in the next expansion...
So I guess it is time for you to Biomass yourself in butt hurt protest, but give me your stuff first.
Have a nice day!!! |
Torneach
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:24:00 -
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Can we just kill the NeX store already and move all the junk in there to player production through industry? |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:26:00 -
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Epiphaniess wrote:
Well it seems that is not going to happen, it seems that CCP has plans to add some more clothing options in the next expansion...
So I guess it is time for you to Biomass yourself in butt hurt protest, but give me your stuff first.
Have a nice day!!!
Anyone who pays for Microtransactions while still being charged full price, is an idiot, PLEXes will skyrocket making them unaffordable to anyone without 40 hours a week spare time |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:33:00 -
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Derailing threads is down to a science on the EvE forums.
Now we just need someone to ask about a PvE fit for a Megathron, and have someone tell them to fly a Tengu instead of answering their question, the thread will then be complete and a mod can lock it.
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Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:34:00 -
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Someone seems to be a fan of NFS:Underground and rice rockets. |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:40:00 -
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Torneach wrote:Can we just kill the NeX store already and move all the junk in there to player production through industry?
EvE Log: Captain Lameass:
Today I spent my time on EvE mining Tritanium to manufacture T-Shirts. It was ttly badass. EvE 4evah bros, peace out. |
Torneach
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:42:00 -
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Deise Koraka wrote:Torneach wrote:Can we just kill the NeX store already and move all the junk in there to player production through industry? EvE Log: Captain Lameass: Today I spent my time on EvE mining Tritainium to manufacture T-Shirts. It was ttly badass. EvE 4evah bros, peace out.
Yay for straw men!
Put some sunglasses on the next one, please. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:42:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:Epiphaniess wrote:
Well it seems that is not going to happen, it seems that CCP has plans to add some more clothing options in the next expansion...
So I guess it is time for you to Biomass yourself in butt hurt protest, but give me your stuff first.
Have a nice day!!!
Anyone who pays for Microtransactions while still being charged full price, is an idiot, PLEXes will skyrocket making them unaffordable to anyone without 40 hours a week spare time. Hi-rez studios has the right idea which is why i more than gladly pay them for micro transactions every so often. The don't give an advantage other than the ability to get weapons faster. The game is free and all weapons are unlockable through gameplay.
It would be like this?
Edit: The Nex store isn't going to have pay to win items. It will just be pay to bling. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
607
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:52:00 -
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I like your rack but you need to take that metal out of your face.
Also anything thats singular gets suicide ganked. True story
And it would take a lot of work to make your vision happen and before you know it every would by flying ponies just to annoy everyone else. Also a true story I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:56:00 -
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Torneach wrote:Yay for straw men! Put some sunglasses on the next one, please.
Seriously though.. lower prices, a smoother implementation and permanent product availability would make the NeX a painless experience. Everything doesn't need to be limited edition, everything doesn't need to be 20$+.
Black and Red skin 1 time use for Minmitar ship: 875 Aurum (1 Plex = 4 skins)
It's reasonable, and priced low enough where someone would come back for repeated purchases for all their special / mission running bling ships. |
Epiphaniess
Verboten Technologies
504
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:58:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:Epiphaniess wrote:
Well it seems that is not going to happen, it seems that CCP has plans to add some more clothing options in the next expansion...
So I guess it is time for you to Biomass yourself in butt hurt protest, but give me your stuff first.
Have a nice day!!!
Anyone who pays for Microtransactions while still being charged full price, is an idiot, PLEXes will skyrocket making them unaffordable to anyone without 40 hours a week spare time. Hi-rez studios has the right idea which is why i more than gladly pay them for micro transactions every so often. The don't give an advantage other than the ability to get weapons faster. The game is free and all weapons are unlockable through gameplay.
Well if there is one thing we have learned from ridiculous kill mails with ridiculously expensive ship fits is that some people like to bling out there ships with the ridiculous amounts of isk they have. And there seems to be a a lot of isk in the game that needs a place to be burnt.
And since the clothing store may not be the best way to burn that isk, since all you can really do is stand alone in your lonely captains quarters looking at yourself in your mirror.
Maybe being able to bling out your ship with more unique paint jobs and flashy lights would be more appealing for those that like to bling out ships. I think it probably would be since people can look at how much money you spent on your primary target...err I mean blingmobile.
I think it would be kind of nice to have some options such as the OP's. Although also think such options would be unlikely currently. Since have all those customization options for ships would increase the load stress on the servers a whole lot, especially in any situation where there are a large number of ships with such options, such as fleet fights, jita whatnot.
I can see CCP making it so you can change the way your ship looks, but probably not with so many options. Like change the lights, engine trails multiple color options and what not. Something more in line with swapping out the normal skin/texture map of your ship with a different one. |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:00:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote: Also, anything can be suicide ganked.
And it would take very little work to make your vision happen and I didn't read your post so I didn't see the part about limiting the design choices to in house CCP designers. Also I'm trolling
I fixed your post.
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Torneach
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:05:00 -
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Deise Koraka wrote:Seriously though.. lower prices, a smoother implementation and permanent product availability would make the NeX a painless experience. Everything doesn't need to be limited edition, everything doesn't need to be 20$+.
Black and Red skin 1 time use for Minmitar ship: 875 Aurum (1 Plex = 4 skins)
It's reasonable, and priced low enough where someone would come back for repeated purchases for all their special / mission running bling ships.
Pretty much everything in EVE appears in-game through some sort of player activity, whether it's mining, production, research, agent running, or blowing up ships.
Why should these cosmetic things be any different?
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Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:07:00 -
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Epiphaniess wrote:
Well if there is one thing we have learned from ridiculous kill mails with ridiculously expensive ship fits is that some people like to bling out there ships with the ridiculous amounts of isk they have. And there seems to be a a lot of isk in the game that needs a place to be burnt.
And since the clothing store may not be the best way to burn that isk, since all you can really do is stand alone in your lonely captains quarters looking at yourself in your mirror.
Maybe being able to bling out your ship with more unique paint jobs and flashy lights would be more appealing for those that like to bling out ships. I think it probably would be since people can look at how much money you spent on your primary target...err I mean blingmobile.
I think it would be kind of nice to have some options such as the OP's. Although also think such options would be unlikely currently. Since have all those customization options for ships would increase the load stress on the servers a whole lot, especially in any situation where there are a large number of ships with such options, such as fleet fights, jita whatnot.
I can see CCP making it so you can change the way your ship looks, but probably not with so many options. Like change the lights, engine trails multiple color options and what not. Something more in line with swapping out the normal skin/texture map of your ship with a different one.
I think that's part of the fun, heightening the risk of being a gank target, just so you can look awesome. At the same time, if it's priced cheap, most nice mission boats will have them, which will mean safety in numbers for the high-seccers, but more targets to choose from for gankers.
I agree the simple re-skins will probably be the reality of it, but one can dream.
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:08:00 -
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Deise Koraka wrote:Karn Dulake wrote: Also, anything can be suicide ganked.
And it would take very little work to make your vision happen and I didn't read your post so I didn't see the part about limiting the design choices to in house CCP designers. Also I'm trolling I fixed your post.
True story I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:10:00 -
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Torneach wrote:
Why should these cosmetic things be any different?
Because the whole point of the NeX store was so CCP could make more money on EvE, and spaceship related customization would be the best way to do it, not t-shirts and fake eyes.
*glances at my profile pic* Hmm...just ignore that image.
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Torneach
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:14:00 -
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Deise Koraka wrote:Because the whole point of the NeX store was so CCP could make more money on EvE, and spaceship related customization would be the best way to do it, not t-shirts and fake eyes.
*glances at my profile pic* Hmm...just ignore that image.
Well, this thread isn't really about the purposeof the NeX store, so I won't push it and derail it any further.
Back on track, I like your ideas for all the possible cosmetic changes for ships. However, there would need to be some sort of protection against performance degradation. I'd imagine the client/server having to process all kinds of variations on the base models would be rather unfortunate for performance.
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Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:23:00 -
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Torneach wrote:
Back on track, I like your ideas for all the possible cosmetic changes for ships. However, there would need to be some sort of protection against performance degradation. I'd imagine the client/server having to process all kinds of variations on the base models would be rather unfortunate for performance.
Yeah, honestly I think it would have to be done from a limited selection of texture packs, so there wouldn't be too many variants as far as random combinations go. Easy mode would be to include all the current in game NPC variants for your ship hull as purchasable options, with just a few Limited edition skins popping up here and there.
Examples:
Classic Serpentis Pack for all Gallente ships: Matte Black Paint, Toxic Green Running Lights, Serpentis Decal Blood Raider Pack for all Amarr ships: Blood Spatter Paint, Raider Decal, Dark Gold Trim and Running Lights
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Phiad Aurilen
Only fools 'n' horses Comic Mischief
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:59:00 -
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I was thinking about this a month or two back. I thought it would be great if we had a system to paint our ships that was in a was similar to say Forza. What I thought was :-
That the system would have a base set of decals that could be stretched, squashed, rotated etc.
These decals would be placed onto a layer maybe mirrored to be simmetrical. (Go faster stripes FTW!)
There would only be maybe 6 layers on a ship. (Not saying this is all i want... I could use a 100 if given a chance )
A slight variation on base ship texture Colour for added effect are more costly in isk.
After thinking about these things it occured to me that it wouldn't be too hard for such a system to exist. The code for the decal placements & colours which is transmitted to CCP at time of undocking would be tiny as the assets are all in our clients.
The LOD over distance would mask detail & give time for those far away from the new decal augmented ship to load the data.
Jumping into system would give enough time for the locals in system / in sight of gate / station to recieve decal layer data.
Charge 100mill isk per paint job template. Charge 10mill to put that template back onto your new ship.
An isk sink methinks & something to do during station games |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:07:00 -
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Torneach wrote:
Well, this thread isn't really about the purposeof the NeX store, so I won't push it and derail it any further.
What was the NeX store for, besides making CCP more cash? ____________________________
I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk. <3 |
Remistor Callaway
Talos Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:38:00 -
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Deise Koraka wrote:Remistor Callaway wrote: Custom engines trails: NO. They are already a race "signature". A Minmatar ship with blue trails makes no sense. If you customize your Minmitar ship with blue running lights and a primarily black paint job, why would red/orange trails make any sense?
A black Minmatar ship with orange trails would be awsome. As for the lights, I think that what you want to fly is a kind of ricer. Ships are not 99' Honda Civics with neons under the body. |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Northern Associates.
147
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:40:00 -
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Yes, the game itself is fine, let's pimp the graphics. |
Aleksander Erkkinen
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:39:00 -
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Actually if anything they should use paint jobs as an isk sink. There is nothing better than disposable cosmetics to remove currency from a game, since people will pay so considerably for it (even $$$).
The price should vary as:
- Each hull category costs more than the last, so pimping a frigate is relatively cheap but that gold plated titan is really going to hurt your wallet.
- Tech level increases costs dramatically.
- Color popularity/desireability increases costs exponentially (gold plating is possible, but at such a premium that it becomes the new monocle - pimp my riders get to bling, and when you pop a gold plated ship gankers get to squee).
It should, of course, be completely and irrevocably destroyed when a ship pops.
This breaks absolutely no mechanics. This nerfs nothing. This is available to everyone. There is no real reason for controversy. This is an isk sink that can be adjusted without far reaching ramifications. Its something players clearly want (and can ignore completely if they don't). I see it as win/win for players and CCP alike.
Edit: formatting. |
Boston Bradley
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:42:00 -
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Horrible Idea.
Easily Abused.
Also, another rage invasion from GoonBad would occur. |
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Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:43:00 -
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Believe it or not this actually was implemented. It was removed shortly before I joined beta from what I understand. I did see some old screenshots of it on the beta forum though. Not sure why they were removed. |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:22:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Yes, the game itself is fine, let's pimp the graphics.
Yet another person not getting that the art department and the game balance / game play mechanic departments are separate entities.
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I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk. <3 |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:26:00 -
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Remistor Callaway wrote:
A black Minmatar ship with orange trails would be awsome. As for the lights, I think that what you want to fly is a kind of ricer. Ships are not 99' Honda Civics with neons under the body.
So what I'm seeing from you is, your idea of "custom skins" would be slightly different shades of the existing races color palettes.
Amarr: Gold, Dark gold, Light gold, Gold gold
Minmitar: Brown, Rust, Rusty Brown, Dark Brown
etc etc
Every ship already has running lights, nothing would be added. Stop trolling.
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I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk. <3 |
Barengar Grayborne
Short Bus Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:49:00 -
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Deise Koraka wrote:How I'd like to see it implemented:
b: Give each race a limited color palette, probably selectable from within the current playable variants and NPC variants to stay true to the current art style.
I don't agree with a limited color palette based on race of the ship. We aren't "soldiers" we are capsuleers. Restricting the color palette practically squashes the idea all together since the point of being able to paint your ship is creative freedom. If I want a gold-plated Machariel I should be able to have it dang it!
An ISK based system would keep everyone happy as the NEX is a joke and we all know it (Yeah I've got an eyeball implant and navy shirt/pants/boots...that I paid ISK for). As previous posters have said this game needs a real money sink and people will blow tons of ISK to change their paint job over and over again whether they are just getting tired of it or keep getting blown up.
This game isn't this race versus this race, it is this corp versus this corp. If there is a corp out there that wants hello kitty pink ships then let them have it, the explosion will look the same when it gets ganked by people... |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 22:46:00 -
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Barengar Grayborne wrote:
This game isn't this race versus this race, it is this corp versus this corp. If there is a corp out there that wants hello kitty pink ships then let them have it, the explosion will look the same when it gets ganked by people...
CCP and anyone with even a modicum of taste would never allow this to happen. Paint and pattern styles need to stay within their racial and or factional design.
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I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk. <3 |
Barengar Grayborne
Short Bus Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 23:08:00 -
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Deise Koraka wrote:Barengar Grayborne wrote:
This game isn't this race versus this race, it is this corp versus this corp. If there is a corp out there that wants hello kitty pink ships then let them have it, the explosion will look the same when it gets ganked by people...
CCP and anyone with even a modicum of taste would never allow this to happen. Paint and pattern styles need to stay within their racial and or factional design.
At this point it isn't about what an individual player wants or what CCP wants to see for ship colors and what not. It is about that creative freedom. You mention being able to use iconic color templates like Guristas and the like but why not be allowed to create our own. It IS that freedom that makes EvE history...
Obviously in the end what CCP gives us is what we get but I for one would give a flying f*** if somebody wanted to paint their ship whether they paint pink or paint it like a bumble bee. It doesn't effect my play and it just adds more variety to the already bland ship colors anyways. Look at what they are doing to Amarr ships. Glittery gold is out and dull bronze is in... |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
178
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Posted - 2012.05.05 23:30:00 -
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Torneach wrote:Deise Koraka wrote:Torneach wrote:Can we just kill the NeX store already and move all the junk in there to player production through industry? EvE Log: Captain Lameass: Today I spent my time on EvE mining Tritainium to manufacture T-Shirts. It was ttly badass. EvE 4evah bros, peace out. Yay for straw men! Put some sunglasses on the next one, please.
I think the point was how ludicrous it is to manufacture T-Shirts from Tritanium. Considering minerals and resources in game are mostly related to the manufacture of space ship parts and stations, I can't think of a reason why that wouldn't be a good argument. On the other hand, it's perfectly reasonable to expect PI to produce some of the required materials, and to an extenti t maybe/sorta does. A lot better than making fuel out of Robot Parts anyway.
So.. to disagree with the OP or not to disagree with the OP; that is the question.
Generally speaking, I'm going to agree as I never noticed a mention of NEX or PLEX, but I didn't read it all anyway. However, I too went "wtf" when I noticed the custom exhaust headers; actually that's as far as I got. Shall we have Neon LEDs too? "Pimp my Ride?"
Okay, I get customizing ships and changing paint schemes to a certain degree, but this is getting a bit ludicrous. I'd say offer a combination of options from NEX and General market and availability through player interaction.
Custom ship design schemes can be sold on NEX, (I really don't have an issue with that), that can then be either sold on the market in game or used to produce ships using that design for Contract sale. Obviously, Custom-Custom is not going to work with the regular market. Any ship repackaged will have to revert to its regular form.
In-game customization can be available on Custom designs and regular skins and provide a good NPC ISK sink. This will allow players to change the tint of Custom designs or colors of regular skins to one degree or another. Changing exhaust trails is a bit silly, unless you think swapping the engines with something that produces purple smoke is still going to result in you being able to fly the ship.
You could also offer Faction and other NPC ship skins through LP to bring another option into it. FW players and missioners could get their own ship skins specific to the respective factions through this. Imagine a Rifter flying around with Caldari colors for example?
Effectively, no matter how you get it or from where, a Design sheme for a specific ship type would be a 'BPO' or 'BPC' that you could use many times or once respectively. You could sell them, trade them through Contract, or use them for manufacture. Potentially, if added to the ship manufacturing queue they could even make the process faster and more cost effective.
Nothing wrong with the idea, and to ease the implementation, these design could be made available initially, (or ever for that matter), for use with specific ships that are consistently popular and well-liked by the game population. Rifter for example, or even a Drake or Hurricane.
This would limit the number of 'Custom' skins that would have to be created and make it sort of like the legacy of custom cars. Only very specific models have ever been consistently customized to any great degree. There are cars; and there are The Cars. I don't mean the late 70's rock band either. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:43:00 -
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I'll just leave these here...
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www.shipsofeve.com
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ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:40:00 -
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At least put corp decals on ships |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:41:00 -
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Custom ship skins eh, isn't this what triggered the NEX fiasco?
And after they deployed out NEX, here you all are back again, square one, asking for customisation again, and CCP want to MONETISE that demand.
Which is it? Do you want NEX or not? Sounds like you do, but you don't want to pay for it.
Well, if you want custom stuff, you are going to pay for it. NO if's no Buts. NEX is back in vogue again.
More NEX items incomming, and maybe ship skins, so that means,,, MICROPAYMENTS.
Didn't take long to come back to this old thing again.
I vote we rename the next Expansion for Eve. Eve: Galaxies. |
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T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
557
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:56:00 -
[41] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Custom ship skins eh, isn't this what triggered the NEX fiasco?
And after they deployed out NEX, here you all are back again, square one, asking for customisation again, and CCP want to MONETISE that demand.
Which is it? Do you want NEX or not? Sounds like you do, but you don't want to pay for it.
Well, if you want custom stuff, you are going to pay for it. NO if's no Buts. NEX is back in vogue again.
More NEX items incomming, and maybe ship skins, so that means,,, MICROPAYMENTS.
Didn't take long to come back to this old thing again.
I vote we rename the next Expansion for Eve. Eve: Galaxies.
I'd imagine they'd do a combination of LP, Mission Rewards, AURUM and isk, with varying levels of cost and rarity. Regarding effort and performance cost, no where near as much as you'd expect.
Theres even a whole bunch already done and waiting :P
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tamber/vexors_cellshaded_part1_wip.jpg www.shipsofeve.com
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
298
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:00:00 -
[42] - Quote
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:Miilla wrote:Custom ship skins eh, isn't this what triggered the NEX fiasco?
And after they deployed out NEX, here you all are back again, square one, asking for customisation again, and CCP want to MONETISE that demand.
Which is it? Do you want NEX or not? Sounds like you do, but you don't want to pay for it.
Well, if you want custom stuff, you are going to pay for it. NO if's no Buts. NEX is back in vogue again.
More NEX items incomming, and maybe ship skins, so that means,,, MICROPAYMENTS.
Didn't take long to come back to this old thing again.
I vote we rename the next Expansion for Eve. Eve: Galaxies. I'd imagine they'd do a combination of LP, Mission Rewards, AURUM and isk, with varying levels of cost and rarity. Regarding effort and performance cost, no where near as much as you'd expect.
This is going right back to Incarna/NEX.
CCP always had the intention of slowly bringing it back once the huffpuff died off. obviously CCP's market metrics are correct and there is a big demand for this and players asking for it.
I for one welcome our free to play, micro transaction pants wearing overlords, but only if I can walk around the station naked in protest. |
NickyYo
StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge
64
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:04:00 -
[43] - Quote
Deise Koraka wrote:Torneach wrote:Can we just kill the NeX store already and move all the junk in there to player production through industry? EvE Log: Captain Lameass: Today I spent my time on EvE mining Tritanium to manufacture T-Shirts. It was ttly badass. EvE 4evah bros, peace out.
Hello Captain Lameass #2: Maybee he could mine the fabrics from plant interaction. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:05:00 -
[44] - Quote
I wouldn't add custom skins at all |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
557
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:06:00 -
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Miilla wrote:T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:Miilla wrote:Custom ship skins eh, isn't this what triggered the NEX fiasco?
And after they deployed out NEX, here you all are back again, square one, asking for customisation again, and CCP want to MONETISE that demand.
Which is it? Do you want NEX or not? Sounds like you do, but you don't want to pay for it.
Well, if you want custom stuff, you are going to pay for it. NO if's no Buts. NEX is back in vogue again.
More NEX items incomming, and maybe ship skins, so that means,,, MICROPAYMENTS.
Didn't take long to come back to this old thing again.
I vote we rename the next Expansion for Eve. Eve: Galaxies. I'd imagine they'd do a combination of LP, Mission Rewards, AURUM and isk, with varying levels of cost and rarity. Regarding effort and performance cost, no where near as much as you'd expect. This is going right back to Incarna/NEX. CCP always had the intention of slowly bringing it back once the huffpuff died off. obviously CCP's market metrics are correct and there is a big demand for this and players asking for it. I for one welcome our free to play, micro transaction pants wearing overlords, but only if I can walk around the station naked in protest.
I'm the last person to advocate microtransactions - I did give away free trips to iceland in protest, but I think alot of people are actually unaware of how many people were at the jita protests because the prices were too high and not specifically because of Aurum.
www.shipsofeve.com
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
298
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:07:00 -
[46] - Quote
Well check SiSi, we are going down the NEX route again.
The door will be opening to the obvious soon.
I can see the changes in every patch when I diff them. I for one welcome our micro patching sneaky overlords :)
That is the failing of most source control systems and dev attitudes, they deploy checked in assets (code etc) that has no bearing on the acutal patch but is part of future patches because that is just how they check them into the source repository, lack of care on their part :) Add's to leaky info for us that do actually diff patches :) |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
557
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:30:00 -
[47] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Well check SiSi, we are going down the NEX route again.
The door will be opening to the obvious soon.
I can see the changes in every patch when I diff them. I for one welcome our micro patching sneaky overlords :)
That is the failing of most source control systems and dev attitudes, they deploy checked in assets (code etc) that has no bearing on the acutal patch but is part of future patches because that is just how they check them into the source repository, lack of care on their part :) Add's to leaky info for us that do actually diff patches :)
please to tell what is on the nex store now? www.shipsofeve.com
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
298
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:30:00 -
[48] - Quote
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:Miilla wrote:Well check SiSi, we are going down the NEX route again.
The door will be opening to the obvious soon.
I can see the changes in every patch when I diff them. I for one welcome our micro patching sneaky overlords :)
That is the failing of most source control systems and dev attitudes, they deploy checked in assets (code etc) that has no bearing on the acutal patch but is part of future patches because that is just how they check them into the source repository, lack of care on their part :) Add's to leaky info for us that do actually diff patches :) please to tell what is on the nex store now?
Pants. |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
557
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:33:00 -
[49] - Quote
Miilla wrote:T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:Miilla wrote:Well check SiSi, we are going down the NEX route again.
The door will be opening to the obvious soon.
I can see the changes in every patch when I diff them. I for one welcome our micro patching sneaky overlords :)
That is the failing of most source control systems and dev attitudes, they deploy checked in assets (code etc) that has no bearing on the acutal patch but is part of future patches because that is just how they check them into the source repository, lack of care on their part :) Add's to leaky info for us that do actually diff patches :) please to tell what is on the nex store now? Pants.
clownskin??? www.shipsofeve.com
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Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:34:00 -
[50] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Custom ship skins eh, isn't this what triggered the NEX fiasco?
And after they deployed out NEX, here you all are back again, square one, asking for customisation again, and CCP want to MONETISE that demand.
Which is it? Do you want NEX or not? Sounds like you do, but you don't want to pay for it.
Well, if you want custom stuff, you are going to pay for it. NO if's no Buts. NEX is back in vogue again.
More NEX items incomming, and maybe ship skins, so that means,,, MICROPAYMENTS.
Didn't take long to come back to this old thing again.
I vote we rename the next Expansion for Eve. Eve: Galaxies.
Not factoring in that leaked letter, if the NeX store had launched with a selection of reasonably priced ship cosmetic items, I doubt there would have been any uproar at all. They half assed it, they overcharged and with all the other drama surrounding its launch it left a sour taste in every ones mouth. It's a uphill battle at this point, but I think they can recover. They just need to do it quietly, without making a huge deal out of it..so people don't see it as a design resource hog. Like one day, on Inferno patch v1.95 there are suddenly 20 skins to purchase....with a few new ones released every couple months. It would just become just another feature of EvE, with no fanfare or shoving it down peoples throats.
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I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk. <3 |
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Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
348
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:45:00 -
[51] - Quote
Why can't cosmetic alterations be free? It's not like the running lights on a Megathron are going to blind you The pie is a tautology |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
303
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:48:00 -
[52] - Quote
Paragon Renegade wrote:Why can't cosmetic alterations be free? It's not like the running lights on a Megathron are going to blind you
Because they want to make money? Greed is good. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
348
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:54:00 -
[53] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Why can't cosmetic alterations be free? It's not like the running lights on a Megathron are going to blind you Because they want to make money? Greed is good.
Once again, the queen of Rens has spoken :3 The pie is a tautology |
George Whitebread
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:54:00 -
[54] - Quote
Deise Koraka wrote: b: Give each race a limited color palette, probably selectable from within the current playable variants and NPC variants to stay true to the current art style.
c: Choose from a base set of styles decided on by CCP, no wacky pink or cute spaceships.
These two points are imperative if this is to be implemented IMO. Anything else will break all immersion for so many players.
What I really hope for, is to be able to paint foreign factions' ships in my own faction's colors. Like painting a Rifter or Charon in Amarr palette. It has always felt wrong not to have the ship in proper colors only because it's a stolen design. Signed: George Whitebread |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
303
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:03:00 -
[55] - Quote
Paragon Renegade wrote:Miilla wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Why can't cosmetic alterations be free? It's not like the running lights on a Megathron are going to blind you Because they want to make money? Greed is good. Once again, the queen of Rens has spoken :3 But really, that's stupid, we should be able to get cosmetic things for free
CCP giveeth in one hand and taketh with the other. |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:16:00 -
[56] - Quote
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Once again, the queen of Rens has spoken :3
But really, that's stupid, we should be able to get cosmetic things for free
Cosmetic items are optional, you don't need them to have access to every game play aspect of EvE. Like all luxuries, they are going to cost money. Money that if you *choose* to give to CCP for a pretty ship paint job, wont affect the game or anything else, with the possible exception of your personal ship spin enjoyment levels. It's a optional way for the players to support CCP at their leisure, while staying spaceship-centric...unlike the original NeX launch. ____________________________
I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk. <3 |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:44:00 -
[57] - Quote
Paragon Renegade wrote:Miilla wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Why can't cosmetic alterations be free? It's not like the running lights on a Megathron are going to blind you Because they want to make money? Greed is good. Once again, the queen of Rens has spoken :3 But really, that's stupid, we should be able to get cosmetic things for free
Why so entitled? This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
1069
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Posted - 2012.05.06 23:02:00 -
[58] - Quote
I'll just leave this here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1226598#post1226598 The Drake is a Lie |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2012.05.06 23:04:00 -
[59] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Well check SiSi, we are going down the NEX route again.
The door will be opening to the obvious soon.
I can see the changes in every patch when I diff them. I for one welcome our micro patching sneaky overlords :)
That is the failing of most source control systems and dev attitudes, they deploy checked in assets (code etc) that has no bearing on the acutal patch but is part of future patches because that is just how they check them into the source repository, lack of care on their part :) Add's to leaky info for us that do actually diff patches :)
Oh wow, just checked SiSi and I'm in love with this shiny leather outfit that rocks my rear end .. gief nao This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
304
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Posted - 2012.05.06 23:05:00 -
[60] - Quote
J3ssica Alba wrote:Miilla wrote:Well check SiSi, we are going down the NEX route again.
The door will be opening to the obvious soon.
I can see the changes in every patch when I diff them. I for one welcome our micro patching sneaky overlords :)
That is the failing of most source control systems and dev attitudes, they deploy checked in assets (code etc) that has no bearing on the acutal patch but is part of future patches because that is just how they check them into the source repository, lack of care on their part :) Add's to leaky info for us that do actually diff patches :) Oh wow, just checked SiSi and I'm in love with this shiny leather outfit that rocks my rear end .. gief nao
I don't really care what CCP put on NEX , at least not until I can change out of this RUINED bloodline they BROKE. |
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Mono Ethanolamine
TM Reincarnation Polaris Mercenary Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:48:00 -
[61] - Quote
Pink avatar! Orange erebus! Coolest design ever! |
Zofe Stormcaller
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
15
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Posted - 2012.05.09 15:53:00 -
[62] - Quote
I think that custom ship paint is acceptable use of NeX, but currently the items in the NeX store are still far too high. If they were a tenth of what they were then I might actually consider getting some stuff, also assuming that they introduce items that are a bit more gallente looking. At the moment the default selections of clothing for Gallenteans are very Minmatar looking, which is a fine look, but there are days when I want to be a traditionalist and put my character back into ornate semi transparent cyberpunk evening-wear with a ridiculous Dr Wierd style hairarium.
If ship paint needs to be paid for by NeX then they should cost no more in real money than 50 pence per ship. Paying 15 pounds for a hello kitty kestrel paintjob only for it to get blown up is not worth it. Paying 50p to repaint my replacement kestrel means that CCP gets a pound more than they would have got if they price the ship paint the same as the clothes currently are...
I know people whine about vanity items but these things are desirable to people, and those that don't want it don't have to buy them. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1827
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:13:00 -
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Your idea has merit.
For my part, I believe the NEX store should be limited to selling vanity design templates only. Players that wish to produce a vanity item (that would be sold on the in game market for ISK) would purchase a design template from the NEX store (with AUR, which can of course be purchased with either cash or ISK) and then produce the item for in game profit.
Ideally, these design templates would be customizable to a degree and function much like BPC's do now. To achieve this CCP would need to create a design template creation tool in EVE that allows you to chose a base template and then tweak it (within certain parameters) during the process. The final output is a limited use customized design template that can be used to produce say 1000 items via a standard factory slot.
To flesh that out.
1: We have NPC sold BPO's now, but that isn't a proper term when discussing clothing, paint jobs, or really anything of a truly cosmetic nature. So CCP puts out various design templates for sale via the NEX. You can pay in cash or in ISK as usual.
2: Lets say I purchase a design template for a custom paint job (using ISK to purchase my AUR in this case). At the time of purchase the design template customization tool opens. Here I can tweak various parameters including color in various area's of the ship, whether it has a spot for a corp or alliance logo, etc. These options would likely be somewhat limited by CCP for obvious techical and artistic reasons.
3: When done tweaking i finalize the template and it appears in my hanger much like a BPC. I can install this template in a factory and produce a limited number of paint jobs (say 1000). This template can be bought/sold/traded/blown up just like a BPC.
4: When I produce these paint jobs (possibly requiring PI components to build, or perhaps new materials), the finished product again appears in my hanger as an item... much like a rig would. Again, this item can be bought/sold/traded/destroyed like a rig.
5: I sell my custom paint jobs on the market for whatever price the market will bear (obviously it would need to be previewable), or I could simply throw them in the corp hanger (if say I wanted my corp or alliance to use them).
6: When used the custom paint job installs on any ship exactly as a rig does (it could even use an existing rig slot, or a special slot could be added to all ships for this purpose). It can not be removed/changed other than to destroy it. It is lost with the destruction of the ship.
7: Design templates in specific NPC corp or faction colors (with or without corp or faction logo's) could also be made available through the LP store of that particular NPC corp or faction.
8: Special design templates that cannot be made with in game tools could also be given as event prizes by CCP... or for any number of other reasons.
In this fashion the NEX store could function as a source of vanity item only driven income, yet still involve the player base in the production and final value of these items in game, contributing to the health of the in game economy.
An identical system could be(and should be) implimented for the creation of clothing items, this also includes official corp/faction "uniforms" being available through the LP store.
This also reinforces the idea that all items in EVE should be destructible, and the players should decide the value of those items. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc Order of the Void
303
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:20:00 -
[64] - Quote
Jayrendo Karr wrote:How about we never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever add more to the NeX.
I agree, we dont need to add anything to the nex store, however
I would like to feel like I'm flying MY ship and not a Ship for the Gallente Navy, or Roden Shipyards, or Carthum Conglomerate. Customization is ALWAYS a good thing "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
45
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:34:00 -
[65] - Quote
I agree... make them expensive, but with ISK.
One other suggestion: Have it so that a player could only own one painted ship at a time. They would define this ship as their 'flagship'. Maybe have it listed on their profile. Blowing up someone's flagship would drop a unique item. Maybe a black-box that would identify the ship name/type that was blown up...similar to a frozen corpse. On the flip side, have the ship keep track of any player kills that it scores.
It would also make an interesting solution to the 'pink' problem. In order to have anyone really see your custom skin, you'll have to fly it. Hitting that undock button means you are risking your ship. Make a bad enough eye sore and you might invite gankers to take you out just for offending their senses. And of course, if a player has a powerful enough ship and deadly enough wing mates, they can have a pink ship if they want to.
This would make custom ships a somewhat rarity. Most pragmatic pilots aren't going to do their trade hub shopping or small gang pvp in their flag ships, so 95% of the ships that you see flying around will still be normal skins. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:38:00 -
[66] - Quote
**** THE NEX STORE
Also **** ship skins, if you can not have ANYTHING you want then it is just STUPID
Sandbox my ass. |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
72
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:31:00 -
[67] - Quote
Torneach wrote:Can we just kill the NeX store already and move all the junk in there to player production through industry? Tailoring? Go back to WoW |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
165
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:46:00 -
[68] - Quote
Thinking about current ship skin system
1. Player/Corporation/alliance can set skin with isk. Just like a regular upkeep fee for corp alliance, player can apply for a small isk cost.
2. Using the two layer plus shader model, player selects base pattern, primary colour, secondary color, shader. Similar to how corp logo is done
3. Fitting window, player checks off use alliance/corp skin.
Finished? |
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