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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.05.02 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gorefacer Isn't the fact that the OP had to ask and that nobody can agree on any one thing indicative of there not being a clear FOTM right now?
And if that's the case why try and invent one up?
Because it is fun to guess. And indeed ATM nothing has settled into the role but I think in their hearts everyone knows that RR gangs are what is going to do it and they will probably wind up stacking nerfing it. (although I like it how it is regardless of "imbalance")
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2009.05.02 05:44:00 -
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Amarr.
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A Pacifist
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Posted - 2009.05.02 06:39:00 -
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Stealth bombers.
So many of these little ****s flying around now. I guess I agree with you on the principle though. |
CaperPuts
Minmatar Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 09:36:00 -
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I am calling for a nerf of the osprey, use of it from hereon out should be considered an abuse of ingame mechanics. Lets look at the osprey, and see JUST how overpowered it is. First the hardpoints, the osprey has THREE turret hardpoints, the EXACT same number as the Amarr dreadnought, so I think we can safely consider the osprey a dreadnaught from now on. The osprey's capability to fit and sustain three dreadnought sized weapons should be removed from the game, when in siege mode, I am guessing the osprey could reach upwards of forty thousand DPS. Furthermore, the two missile slots allow for a hail of defender missiles that I am 100% sure would render it invulnerable to any weapon, giving it a better tank than the Blackbird and the Ferox combined. Also, the bonuses are totally overpowered, 20% bonus to laser amount per level puts the osprey at a level of dps that outclasses even the mackinaw. It is clear that this, combined with it's superior tank, makes the osprey a totally unbalanced ship. I urge ccp to delete EVE from existance to prevent this ship from ever being used again.
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honey bunchetta
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Posted - 2009.05.02 09:47:00 -
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The greatest and most powerful FOTM in eve is the NERF, the all powerful NERF has wrecked more ships and systems than anything else and has been effective since day 1.
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.05.02 11:24:00 -
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without a doubt nightmares.
dont think ive ever seen so many in fleets as i do these days
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.02 12:13:00 -
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Amarr.
And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1. |
Lili Lu
Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships
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Posted - 2009.05.02 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lili Lu on 02/05/2009 14:08:05 Well FOTM is based on perceptions (erroneous or correct doesn't matter), and in that regard Amarr and lazors appear to have everyone even though I don't agree.
However, this does not mean that the ships or the weapons should be nerfed. There is avery fine tipping point here and any nerf would easily land Amarr and lasers back into the many many many year s h i tcan they were formerly imprisoned in.
The solution I think would be an increase in base em armor resistances to 55% because most people have weaned themslves off the stupidity of 3 eanm tanks. It would also neccessitate an adjustment downward on Minmatar tech 2 em armor resist bonuses though. Additionally, buffs to projectile and blaster (i would like to see the base rof on arty increased slightly and maybe an increase to blaster fall-off) would bring more perception of balance.
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Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 15:14:00 -
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Vagabonds and heavy drone NOS Myrmidons.
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Nahzgul
The Blood Scorpions Liberation Squad Gang Bang Theory
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Posted - 2009.05.02 16:17:00 -
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Navy Mega....better than any amarr bs at the plated gank
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.02 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nahzgul Navy Mega....better than any amarr bs at the plated gank
A waste of ISK.
450ish+ mil fitted for:
1. The same DPS and range as a normal mega.
2. Unless the navy mega is faction fitted is has around the same EHP as the abaddon (if its 3 x mag stab/gank fitted) and a HUGE explosive hole in its armour.
3. The gank navy mega does 1252dps from 0-4.5km, the abaddon does 1126dps from 0-15km.
4. The abaddon is obviously insurable, the navy mega costs around 350mil before fitting and all you get is standard mega insurace payout.
5. The abaddon may get primaried it may not depending on the circumstances, the navy mega has a bullseye painted on it BIGTIME.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2009.05.02 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Originally by: Nahzgul Navy Mega....better than any amarr bs at the plated gank
A waste of ISK.
Heh, I'd say you got trolled, son.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
big miker
Minmatar Order of Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.05.02 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: big miker on 02/05/2009 17:40:18
Quote: 3. The gank navy mega does 1252dps from 0-4.5km, the abaddon does 1126dps from 0-15km. Quote:
Wait, WTF 1126 dps how the hell? I have BS 5 and spec to lvl 3 and I only reach like 800 DPS with t2 megapulse's and 1 sink. ( +3 % turret dmg implant too ).
You using 3 heatsinks and lvl 5 skills on EFT? Heck, 1126 dps, that's some sick dmg for a abad. And with 3 sink's you'll have 2 1600 plate's most likely anyways. Which means a considerable less amount of EHP.
That's what i think anyways,
big,
Edit: I fail at forum posting
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The Tzar
Malicious Intentions The Church.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 17:43:00 -
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Nerf gank pulse falcons before it's too late!!! __________________________________________
'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________ |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2009.05.02 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: big miker
You using 3 heatsinks and lvl 5 skills on EFT? Heck, 1126 dps, that's some sick dmg for a abad. And with 3 sink's you'll have 2 1600 plate's most likely anyways. Which means a considerable less amount of EHP.
Still have more EHP than a similarly fit Mega. ;-)
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.02 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: big miker
Quote: 3. The gank navy mega does 1252dps from 0-4.5km, the abaddon does 1126dps from 0-15km.
Wait, WTF 1126 dps how the hell? I have BS 5 and spec to lvl 3 and I only reach like 800 DPS with t2 megapulse's and 1 sink. ( +3 % turret dmg implant too ).
You using 3 heatsinks and lvl 5 skills on EFT? Heck, 1126 dps, that's some sick dmg for a abad. And with 3 sink's you'll have 2 1600 plate's most likely anyways. Which means a considerable less amount of EHP.
That's what i think anyways,
big,
Edit: I fail at forum posting
It still has a lot more EHP than the standard mega, and only around 4k less than the navy mega with the proposed "gank fit".
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.05.02 22:23:00 -
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I'd have to agree with Liang that is you ask which race to fly youre going to end up being told amarr or minmatar because of either gank'n'tank or speed.
Hmm. Let me compare different races preformance in varios standard fleets. I will analyze small ships -> big ships. Assume that a relatively balacend fleet is implied. I will only compare ships of one class once. That means that if im talking about a bs fleet interceptor tacklers are assumed, and I'll have already talked aobut them somplace else.
Frig fleet. Everyone has some decent frigates. Top af are Jag, Harpy, Ishkur. Sabre is the best dictor, followed by the flycatcher. EAF suck. Dogfighting inties are all pretty decent. Stealth bombers are borderline OP. Comparitively Amarr are slightly lacking. The crusader and the purifier are what they have to offer. As a side note the frigate fleet isnt really a counter to anything other than the uberblob. Because you can run away. It relies on numbers itself to win. Given a choice, most fcs aren't going to prefer a frig gang going into a battle over anything else.
Hac fleet. There are two variations on the Hac fleet. Dogfighting, and old fashion nano. The best example of the difference is just to take a look at the two kinds of interceptors. One is for long range point and one is for killing other interceptors. One you fit scrams and zoomzoom around pewpewing other little ships cruiser and below. Ganking Bs as the oportunity arises. The other you zoomzoom around out of web range evading bs fleets and trying to kill them with a death of many stings. The first counters the second. The second is a marginal counter to the bs fleet.
The core of a hac fleet is obviously recons/hacs. The sleipner and claymore shines here. No other command ships make the cut based on speed. Interceptors are decent. Afs (mwd fit mandatory). Light dictors.
Caldari generally was better providing ewar support from a falcon. Now ehh. The cerb is a decent dps ship that can stay out of the way. And I have now seen good things out of the rook. If you have to compare them though. ECM boats are still the thing caldari can bring to the fight. We'll continue to see how bad the nerf hit. Lets just say caldari dont live in hac fleets.
Minmatar live in hac fleets. Vaga, sleipnir, rapier. Awesome ships Probably the best of the minmatar lineup. Considering large projectiles... Nanoships aren't op anymore. But now Minmatar are almost exclusively alowed into the club minus a couple other things. Their BC are also the only ones that can nano around without being lolmails. Hurricane is a nice ship. It can also comfortably run a gang mod along with the rest of the minmatar bc.
Gallente have some decent ships. The ishtar ****s face and its drones make it incredibly versatile. It can shield tank, which you want in a hac fleet, or it can armor tank. Its got enough mids to even fit some ewar on. The gallente ewar boats are also better than minmatar in some ways. Assume target painters and sensor damps are useless. One scram is better tackle than double web. Scrams are made of Win. The only reason you would ever want to fly the rapier is because its faster and more agile. You can also do your thing from 6-10 km further out. Ehh. And of course the deimos is crap in a hac role.
And ammar. The curse was awesome before the nanonerf. The pilgrim has range issues like the deimos. The zealot provides face melting dps. But its hard to make it fast enough, and well tanked. Its an awesome ship. Cant protect itself from frigs though. But in a fleet not too much of an issue. The sac isn't too great because its hard to nano and tank and dps. Nothing really wrong with it, its just not optimal.
I'll get around to making more wall of text later.
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.03 06:52:00 -
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Amarr was is and always will be FOTM, they are just too damn strong lol
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ConQByne
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Posted - 2009.05.03 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: ConQByne on 03/05/2009 07:35:46 alt
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Nahzgul
The Blood Scorpions Liberation Squad Gang Bang Theory
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Posted - 2009.05.03 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Originally by: Nahzgul Navy Mega....better than any amarr bs at the plated gank
A waste of ISK.
450ish+ mil fitted for:
1. The same DPS and range as a normal mega.
2. Unless the navy mega is faction fitted is has around the same EHP as the abaddon (if its 3 x mag stab/gank fitted) and a HUGE explosive hole in its armour.
3. The gank navy mega does 1252dps from 0-4.5km, the abaddon does 1126dps from 0-15km.
4. The abaddon is obviously insurable, the navy mega costs around 350mil before fitting and all you get is standard mega insurace payout.
5. The abaddon may get primaried it may not depending on the circumstances, the navy mega has a bullseye painted on it BIGTIME.
Well the question wasn't weather the navy mega is a waste of isk for not it was what is fotm....I was involved in a fight a few weeks ago where 5 of them died alone. I saw a bydi kill recently want to say it was capital but cant remember and there was well more than that on it alone as well. Not to long ago the price dropped just below 300m and now it's gone up suggesting demand has increased.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.05.03 07:49:00 -
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I think the thing with comparing ship to ship for direct performance is that it doesn't take into account how people 'feel' in their ships.
Yes, the baddon is sex on legs in gangs. Even hard-core megathron pilots don't argue that the thron is better, just that they like it more. Plus an abbadon has to drop a gun to fit an RR, and a LOT of gangs want reppage these days.
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Nahzgul
The Blood Scorpions Liberation Squad Gang Bang Theory
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Posted - 2009.05.03 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: big miker
You using 3 heatsinks and lvl 5 skills on EFT? Heck, 1126 dps, that's some sick dmg for a abad. And with 3 sink's you'll have 2 1600 plate's most likely anyways. Which means a considerable less amount of EHP.
Still have more EHP than a similarly fit Mega. ;-)
-Liang
Not more than a Navy mega and if your comparing the ehp of a t3 bs to that of a t2 I am pretty sure all the t3 bs's have more base ehp than a mega.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.03 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nahzgul
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: big miker
You using 3 heatsinks and lvl 5 skills on EFT? Heck, 1126 dps, that's some sick dmg for a abad. And with 3 sink's you'll have 2 1600 plate's most likely anyways. Which means a considerable less amount of EHP.
Still have more EHP than a similarly fit Mega. ;-)
-Liang
Not more than a Navy mega and if your comparing the ehp of a t3 bs to that of a t2 I am pretty sure all the t3 bs's have more base ehp than a mega.
The gank navy mega gets around 4k more EHP and worse overall resists (especially explosive) than a simularly fitted abaddon.
While only having standard mega DPS, standard mega optimal range, a 300-400 mil price tag...oh yes and a "im primary" label printed on its hull...
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.03 20:05:00 -
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Take the navy mega vs amarr debate to that other thread. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1. |
ConQByne
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Posted - 2009.05.04 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: ConQByne on 04/05/2009 01:53:43 again
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Nahzgul
The Blood Scorpions Liberation Squad Gang Bang Theory
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Posted - 2009.05.04 01:55:00 -
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It's not really a debate the navy mega is better at the plated gank and is without a doubt better at the RR fit than the abaddon. It comes with a high price tag that a lot of people don't have an issue dealing with and that is why it's also FOTM |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2009.05.04 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nahzgul It's not really a debate the navy mega is better at the plated gank and is without a doubt better at the RR fit than the abaddon. It comes with a high price tag that a lot of people don't have an issue dealing with and that is why it's also FOTM
You're trolling. I dub the NightmareX?
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.05.04 05:08:00 -
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fotm means flavor of the month right? so what i was saying that amarr have had the battleships for long enough to say foty or summin
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Jack Winters
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.05.04 06:14:00 -
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Hey remember when amarr were the worst class to play? So do I. All of you ***gots whining about how overpowered amarr is should go back a year ago and look at the threads in Ships and Modules. Here is a hint: Caldari was the best race to fly, followed by gallente, then minitmar, then amarr last.
Originally by: CCP Mintal Thank you for the sympathy.
The twitches should have cleared up by Fanfest 2009 I'm told.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2009.05.04 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Winters Hey remember when amarr were the worst class to play? So do I. All of you ***gots whining about how overpowered amarr is should go back a year ago and look at the threads in Ships and Modules. Here is a hint: Caldari was the best race to fly, followed by gallente, then minitmar, then amarr last.
Hey, remember when two wrongs made a right? Me neither.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
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