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Cozmik R5
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:17:00 -
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Yes, EVE is unrealistic. And I like it that way.
If you want realism go play a flight sim or something, not any Sci-Fi related game.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:29:00 -
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Delphi you are a horrible troll but people still go for it every time. I don't understand.
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain Delphi you are a horrible troll but people still go for it every time. I don't understand.
The problem is your definition of a "horrible troll".
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Arec Bardwin on 31/05/2009 12:50:54
Originally by: TraininVain Delphi you are a horrible troll but people still go for it every time. I don't understand.
Another flawless victory for Delphi and the forum trolls
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Doomed Predator
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.31 14:03:00 -
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I see,when a scamming alt becomes useless it creates a cocoon and after a few weeks emerges an a fugly troll alt.
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.31 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Karentaki on 31/05/2009 14:30:55
Originally by: Nova Fox Sorry I would build a black hole reactor testing lab FAR away from anything that might feed it. Including planets, dont need it to feed enough to eat the whole system by accident.
Actually, the black hole will not destroy the rest of the solar system. The mass and velocity will be practically the same, so the orbit will be the same. The only difference will be that instead of a planet you have a black hole orbiting the star. It only becomes dangerous in the black hole managed to fall into the Sun or came very close to the Earth.
EDIT: For the record, I am well aware this is a troll. I just find the topic at hand interesting.
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Firestar Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
It's unfair to compare EVE to a high-calibre documentary such as Star Trek.
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Karth Mentis
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Posted - 2009.05.31 16:29:00 -
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Star Trek have been allways unrealistic because it was made before lasers where made. Eve Online have allways showed up a more real level of realism in its long detailed list of modules and ships.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.05.31 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Doddy on 31/05/2009 16:45:52
Originally by: Nova Fox
Also over 200 years of development and building **** why in the hell the hasnt federation havent built counter cloaking devices two to possibly three of thier biggest enemies uses cloaks, what does the other side do? they build cloaks that allow them to fire while cloaked. Cmon federation your lagging behind on the arms race. Cloaks in eve are less than 20 years old and aren't advanced enough that every ship could afford to have em.
I am no trekkie, but i think thats down to treaty, same as the fed not developing of their own. Like the U.s (supposedly) not developing anti-ballistic missiles over the last 40 years.
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.31 17:04:00 -
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yea eve is very unrealistic, i mean i could write a book ripping it apart, but its fun so easy up
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Styxia Acheron
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Posted - 2009.05.31 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Styxia Acheron on 31/05/2009 17:08:13
Originally by: Karth Mentis Star Trek have been allways unrealistic because it was made before lasers where made.
The first laser was successfully demonstrated on 16 May 1960, Star Trek debuted 8 September 1966.
Edit: God I hate this forum software.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Rhinanna on 31/05/2009 17:51:15
Quote: So if photons arent conductive as you say how do they transfer energy? No transfer of energy no phsyical duress is caused by it. Also since it seemingly cant be charged up, you just stated to me a highly improbable weapon.
Electrical conductivity != thermal conductivity. Having a thermal super conductive layer (if that even exists in EvE, its theoretical as it if it can exist at all) it would really be a bad idea to use it on a space ship since they rely on radiating heat to cool down, a thermal super conductive layer would stop this and instead just conduct the heat to the inside of your ship meaning you get cooked alive! Mmmmm tasty :)
Quote: There are two kinds of warp scramblers in eve. One floods the little space which bonds this space and the 'warp' space to the point it over stresses the warp core, operating it would be asking to kiss your power core goodbye. The other entirely devoids the area, preventing any formation of the 'warp bubble' required to step out of reality. Interdiction spheres mostly. Which is why warp core stabs work against traditional and not interdiction. The anti interdiction module with tech 3 ships is probably a localaized pernament warp bubble.
And since scanners probably work on 1 of any frequency range they would be able to cut through the interference on that single frequency, where as a warp drive would need to clear out all the frequencies to operate. Also subspace is in no way 'stepping out of reality' and it IS safe to enter unprotected, you essentially enter stasis until retrieved.
Edit: Star trek warp doesn't work like that either, it compresses space
Quote: in response 1 I wouldn have to use much power, just coax your shields into doing it for me.
Which would require you having more control over my shields than I do..... Errrmmm fine maybe if you have a much much bigger ship entirely dedicated to doing that at short range perhaps, otherwise not likely. It's be more efficient to mount some Phasers and blow my shields to hell!
Quote: dunno what happens when matter/energy not belonging to a certain space no longer matches?
Not sure what you mean, no energy is created or destroyed so.....
Quote: Alot of people think that, and bam surpise! your technology is useless because somone was smater than you and exploited it and never thought about it before.
Has happened several times in star trek canon, as new anti-shield developments are made, new shield developments are made to compensate, which leads to more anti-shield developments ad infiniatium. You know just like real life! Take Tanks, first they where virtually immune to anything, then someone developed the anti-tank gun and shaped charged warheads, then chobham and laminate armour was invented to defeat those, then the British invented the HESH (Hi explosive squash head) rounds to defeat those!. Its a endless cycle of development and counter development as is evidenced in the star-trek universe very well!
Quote: Cloaking is a massive enough threat to the federation that they should heavily employ more research into exploiting it
They do and have done in several eps. The Romulans survive because of cloaking however so invest just as much in improving it.
Quote: According to other trekkies regulations disallow speeds beyond warp 9.2
Warp 6 is the maximum speed for normal travel due to the damage to space time/subspace, in emergency situations than the ship's maximum is the top speed allowed.
Quote: Oh once upon a time they did go warp 14.4.
Given Warp 10 means you exist in every location in the universe at the same time I don't think they did. If it was from 'Enterprise' series then they where using a different warp scale at that point I believe.
Quote: So... momvent lights and heat bleeding out destoys this balance?
Errr In English???? There is nothing stopping them adding extra power from the generators to the material for heat/light e.t.c.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:30:00 -
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Quote: Electrical conductivity != thermal conductivity. Having a thermal super conductive layer (if that even exists in EvE, its theoretical as it if it can exist at all) it would really be a bad idea to use it on a space ship since they rely on radiating heat to cool down, a thermal super conductive layer would stop this and instead just conduct the heat to the inside of your ship meaning you get cooked alive! Mmmmm tasty :)
I thought thermal super conductance was one thoery behind cloaking on the sensors, also having a thermal asorbant layer is nice for taking on other nasties such as plasma, but you still havent explained on holding enough charge to be a destructive enough force to be meangingful without melting or fusing the point in orgin.
Quote: And since scanners probably work on 1 of any frequency range they would be able to cut through the interference on that single frequency, where as a warp drive would need to clear out all the frequencies to operate. Also subspace is in no way 'stepping out of reality' and it IS safe to enter unprotected, you essentially enter stasis until retrieved.
Flooding/Devoiding tends to cover most of a spectrum or scews with readbacks entirely. Also its safe to assume that not all materials step into supspace at the same rate. Its not safe trust me, if I only put the outside half in subspace I can gaurantee it will be a very unpleasant experince.
Quote: Edit: Star trek warp doesn't work like that either, it compresses space
No wonder why they cant go past warp 10, thats trying to build a black hole in front of you.
Quote: Which would require you having more control over my shields than I do..... Errrmmm fine maybe if you have a much much bigger ship entirely dedicated to doing that at short range perhaps, otherwise not likely. It's be more efficient to mount some Phasers and blow my shields to hell!
And this is where you shooting me becomes effective no? Your own phasers gotta match your shield frequencies just to bypass them right? If not there's the hole in your shields I need to shoot then.
Quote: Not sure what you mean, no energy is created or destroyed so.....
Im sure some of it gets sent back or becomes in tune with the new environment but cant say for sur
Quote: Alot of people think that, and bam surpise! your technology is useless because somone was smater than you and exploited it and never thought about it before.
Has happened several times in star trek canon, as new anti-shield developments are made, new shield developments are made to compensate, which leads to more anti-shield developments ad infiniatium. You know just like real life! Take Tanks, first they where virtually immune to anything, then someone developed the anti-tank gun and shaped charged warheads, then chobham and laminate armour was invented to defeat those, then the British invented the HESH (Hi explosive squash head) rounds to defeat those!. Its a endless cycle of development and counter development as is evidenced in the star-trek universe very well!
Quote: Cloaking is a massive enough threat to the federation that they should heavily employ more research into exploiting it
They do and have done in several eps. The Romulans survive because of cloaking however so invest just as much in improving it.
Quote: Warp 6 is the maximum speed for normal travel due to the damage to space time/subspace, in emergency situations than the ship's maximum is the top speed allowed.
Warp 6 is only 400x faster than the speed of light.
Quote: Errr In English???? There is nothing stopping them adding extra power from the generators to the material for heat/light e.t.c.
Thus there is an energy economy.
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WhiteSavage
Gallente Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: TigerXtrm
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek...
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
It's unfair to compare EVE to a high-calibre documentary such as Star Trek.
Sadly enough the VF-1 Valkayrie is more documented than any of the Enterprises, I mean cmon that thing has a technician's repair manual and a navy aviation technical operator's publication.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 19:01:00 -
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Quote: I thought thermal super conductance was one thoery behind cloaking on the sensors, also having a thermal asorbant layer is nice for taking on other nasties such as plasma, but you still havent explained on holding enough charge to be a destructive enough force to be meangingful without melting or fusing the point in orgin.
No, its a method of emissions baffling which is a very low level version of cloaking, more akin to stealth. It would be like called a modern stealth fighter a cloaking vessel. It doesn't cloak it just makes itself hard to find to certain types of sensors.
The destructive force can easily be held in a form which is easier to contain such as matter for example. A powerful weapon available today is the X-ray laser nuke, which uses a nuclear explosion to fire an incredibly powerful 1 shot laser. This or several other methods could be used to contain the destructive force.
Quote: Flooding/Devoiding tends to cover most of a spectrum or scews with readbacks entirely. Also its safe to assume that not all materials step into supspace at the same rate. Its not safe trust me, if I only put the outside half in subspace I can gaurantee it will be a very unpleasant experince.
Yes but its MUCH MUCH easier and requires much less power to break through on 1 frequency than it would to break through on all frequencies.
Also if its not safe you had better tell that to Sisko since he spent several years in sub-space in one episode of DS9 :) And yes all materials do step into subspace at an equal level based totally on their mass.
Quote: No wonder why they cant go past warp 10, thats trying to build a black hole in front of you.
Slightly different but that is what limits the speed of ST ships basically, how much you can compress the space in front of you without ripping space/time.
Quote: And this is where you shooting me becomes effective no? Your own phasers gotta match your shield frequencies just to bypass them right? If not there's the hole in your shields I need to shoot then.
Good point, except your assuming that the shields can't be set to allow outgoing energy of any frequency, regardless of your shield frequency. Since we have no idea how deflector shields might work we can't really argue if this point is possible or not :)
Not sure what happened with your next few points, it seems you've copied my previous post directly. Quoting error? :)
Quote: Warp 6 is only 400x faster than the speed of light.
Yep, sorry that's max in-system speed. Max allowed non-emergency speed in deep-space is faster but I can't recall the exact number. All non-federation and federation ships responding to emergencies are allowed to go as fast as they can.
Quote: Thus there is an energy economy.
Errr yes, that was the point I was making!!!!!
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 31/05/2009 19:31:17
Quote: No, its a method of emissions baffling which is a very low level version of cloaking, more akin to stealth. It would be like called a modern stealth fighter a cloaking vessel. It doesn't cloak it just makes itself hard to find to certain types of sensors.
So in the end I could set my phaser to wagner and find nearby cloaked ships easily then right?
Quote: The destructive force can easily be held in a form which is easier to contain such as matter for example. A powerful weapon available today is the X-ray laser nuke, which uses a nuclear explosion to fire an incredibly powerful 1 shot laser. This or several other methods could be used to contain the destructive force.
So phasers have ammo is what you're saying?
Quote: Yes but its MUCH MUCH easier and requires much less power to break through on 1 frequency than it would to break through on all frequencies.
You still wouldnt get a proper or accurate read back at all though if the entire area is flooded, and if its devoid of subspace well... your not getting any readings back.
Quote: Also if its not safe you had better tell that to Sisko since he spent several years in sub-space in one episode of DS9 :) And yes all materials do step into subspace at an equal level based totally on their mass.
Muscle has more mass than fat, so unless you got put into a bubble to have that entire area as act as a singlaur mass, generalized phasing without this bubble isnt recommended as some materails will phase faster than others.
Quote: Slightly different but that is what limits the speed of ST ships basically, how much you can compress the space in front of you without ripping space/time.
Does the distance between the final destination and starting point compress or does the area in front of it continiously compress as it goes along? Because if its the final destination and start point type compression you would be litterally building a mass wall in front of you that you may slam into when you exit out of space compression or even better a massive nuclear explosion.
Quote: Good point, except your assuming that the shields can't be set to allow outgoing energy of any frequency, regardless of your shield frequency. Since we have no idea how deflector shields might work we can't really argue if this point is possible or not :)
Wait why in the heck are they called deflector shields when they push things into subspace instead of deflected like earleir stated?
Quote: Not sure what happened with your next few points, it seems you've copied my previous post directly. Quoting error? :)
Character limit most likely
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Posted - 2009.05.31 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics. Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
Worst. Post. Ever.
Really.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:27:00 -
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Quote: So in the end I could set my phaser to wagner and find nearby cloaked ships easily then right?
At close range, IE phaser range yes. This was done in star trek nemesis, just takes ****ing ages to hit every possible location within a 720 degree arc of the ship. Can be done at longer ranges with other types of scanning beams as well, See several episodes of DS9 season 3.
Quote: So phasers have ammo is what you're saying?
Eh? Phasers have no ammo. They can however focus their beams on a smaller location than their firing crystal. The energy density at the target location would then be higher than even a firing crystal could tolerate. Also the firing crystal could only tolerate the firing energy in a specific direction much like a laser crystal today. This makes it impossible to use this as a form of armour.
Quote: You still wouldnt get a proper or accurate read back at all though if the entire area is flooded, and if its devoid of subspace well... your not getting any readings back.
An area devoid of subspace would do very very nasty things to the ship in it, the only areas devoid of subspace in ST are the inside of black holes. I don't think your ship has that much power output. In fact only the Q would. And yes if you overpower the scram on a single frequency you would get the correct readings back. This is also assuming that the scram signal isn't consistent in which case you could simply filter it out and get the correct readings back anyway.....
Quote: Muscle has more mass than fat, so unless you got put into a bubble to have that entire area as act as a singlaur mass, generalized phasing without this bubble isnt recommended as some materails will phase faster than others.
Muscle has exactly the same QUANTUM density as fat, this is an effect at the quantum level which would effect each electron, proton and neutron identically, thats assuming the effect isn't on an even lower level (Quarks) Much like gravity affects the same acceleration on every object, each quantum particle has the same effect and creates it's own gravity field which affects subspace.
Quote: Does the distance between the final destination and starting point compress or does the area in front of it continiously compress as it goes along? Because if its the final destination and start point type compression you would be litterally building a mass wall in front of you that you may slam into when you exit out of space compression or even better a massive nuclear explosion.
A single bubble of compressed space in front of the ship that moves with the ship. Not a warp tunnel like in EVE. Therefore it would not be subject to the effect you describe.
Quote: Wait why in the heck are they called deflector shields when they push things into subspace instead of deflected like earleir stated?
Because they DEFLECT the energy into sub-space, HENCE deflector shields!
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
Mass at high speed, near c = a lot of energy, more so then lasers.
Teleporters, almost here in RL, lol, fail.
You have a very weak understanding of physics.
Granted, EVE is a game, and it has to be balanced, and not everything in it is close to RL, but not in the ways you said.
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Mekela
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:35:00 -
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Wow for sci fi geeks people seem to miss alot of stuff
I am not going to quote because that would require work so I am just going to post some things that people have missed.
Romulans use an artificial quantum singularity (black hole) for warp, who knows maybe that is where ccp got the idea for caldari drives.
Warp 10 is something of a problem for star trek - The Next Generation, in a possible or imaginary future, they fly at Warp 13. Both Admiral Riker and Captain Beverly Picard call for this speed. However in Voyager we discover that warp 10 is infinite speed and causes problems with peoples DNA and makes the de-evolve? It seems Trek screwed something up between the shows but hey thats sci-fi for you.
Problems non laser guns in eve I have yet to see brought up are the recoil or Neutons third law - for every action there is an equal and oposite reaction. Basically shooting something out of your ship will cause your ship to move in the opposite direction equally using e=mc2. The mass is involved as well so while the mass of the ship is much greater it should still move in the opposite direction(see real life ion drives - shooting out ions for propulsion a ship can achieve almost light speed eventually)
So basically Sci fi never gets it all right and both eve and trek have to use little tricks so the cool stuff can happen. Which is fine by me I love sci fi because it lets your imagination run free and with that great things could happen when we figure out how to get past all the problems that physics and reality present to us.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:43:00 -
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Quote: Warp 10 is something of a problem for star trek - The Next Generation, in a possible or imaginary future, they fly at Warp 13. Both Admiral Riker and Captain Beverly Picard call for this speed.
Thats because the WF gets changes in the future so everyone isn't saying warp 9.9999 whenever they try to go anywhere. This is stated in the canon.
Quote: Basically shooting something out of your ship will cause your ship to move in the opposite direction equally using e=mc2.
Recoilless rifles work on this by firing a smaller amount of mass at a higher speed in the opposite direction.
Yep there are a few flaws in Star Trek :) Its massively better than most Sci-fi however.
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Leon Caedo
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:51:00 -
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F = ma
Ever try to use that equation in Eve?
*hint* Eve makes physics cry
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Styxia Acheron
Originally by: Taak Coram I'll bite. To quote a pretty good youtube video, why use lasers when the rock still hurts?
I can think of two reasons, though I'm sure there are many others.
First, Newton's Third Law makes projectile weapons of any real size a structural and navigational nightmare.
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i happen to know a fellow who designs artillery pieces for a living. ran some numbers by him about minnie arty back when i first started playing eve. making some incredibly generous assumptions along the way for it being far in the future etc he thought a 1400 mm arty would only be slightly larger than the minnie bs it was to mount on. the idea of mounting 8 of them sent him into a bad case of the giggles.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin Edited by: Taedrin on 31/05/2009 02:14:09
Originally by: Nova Fox
Im sure there is a faster warping scout ship in eve but I cant nail it down right now.
Interceptors have a 13au/s warp speed, IIRC. Very useful when you are trying to chase a ship in a 0.0 "pipe".
the warp speed scale changes between the original series and the next gen series. next gen is far faster for a given warp number.
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Blnukem 192
Amarr Clan Gold Viper
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek...
I lol'd right about here. ____________________________________________________________
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox Sorry I would build a black hole reactor testing lab FAR away from anything that might feed it. Including planets, dont need it to feed enough to eat the whole system by accident.
it's quite unlikely that any man made singularity would be big enough to present any problems indeed the major aggo would be creating one that lasted a useful length of time before "evapourating". even if it escaped containment and fell into the core of a planet the event horizon would be too small to allow it to feed fast enough to keep it from extinction.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:28:00 -
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Quote: i happen to know a fellow who designs artillery pieces for a living. ran some numbers by him about minnie arty back when i first started playing eve. making some incredibly generous assumptions along the way for it being far in the future etc he thought a 1400 mm arty would only be slightly larger than the minnie bs it was to mount on. the idea of mounting 8 of them sent him into a bad case of the giggles.
I think he doesn't know what hes talking about: http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/119383.html
This is 800mm artillery gun, under 1/50th of the size of a minmatar BS, I don't see any reason why you couldn't have 8 1400mm ones in the future on a minmatar BS given technological advances e.t.c.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_David 914mm cannon, again much smaller than a minmatar BS.
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Shogun Archer
Gallente Brotherhood of Soban
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:39:00 -
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Yeah Eve is so unrealistic. Damn them.
I want a REALISTIC game where I have to go poo with my character, go to the grocery store, get a 9-5 job and eat mashed potatoes.
LVL 4 driving in traffic FTW.
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maya ibuki2
THORN Syndicate Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.06.01 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: maya ibuki2 on 01/06/2009 01:07:22
Originally by: Lilla Kharn Extremely Unrealistic gamE. There is no 'V'. I demand a 'V'.
KHAAAAN!!!!!!!!!! *khaaaaan!!!!!*
eve v best v
also, op is teh epicest troll this week.
anyone else like the homage though?
SPOOOOOOOOCKK!!!!!!!!!! *spoooooockk!!!!!*
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