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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:19:00 -
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EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
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Gallente Killer Carebears United Interstellar Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:22:00 -
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar Northern Storm Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:26:00 -
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Blatent troll but ill bite.
A rail gun can fire a shot at close to the speed of light, which in my book, stings quite a bit.
Also minitar BS fire VW Beatles at other ships.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:26:00 -
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-9/10 shut up
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Zakarazor
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
they can teleport fotons and single electrons.
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Alex Raptos
Caldari Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:30:00 -
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Drakan290
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Raptos
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus EVE = Extremely Unrealistic gamE
..."EUE"?
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Jobby
Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zakarazor
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
they can teleport fotons and single electrons.
Can they teleport dictionaries?
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zakarazor
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
they can teleport fotons and single electrons.
Photon.
And across a very small room.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:57:00 -
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Guys stop, Delphi started a thread on this exact same topic yesterday. It's now in Ships and Modules or something weird.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vaneshi SnowCrash
Photon.
And across a very small room.
As opposed to beaming scotty down to a planet
Originally by: Stitcher It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Michaela Mirajkar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:01:00 -
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Especially beaming is a prime example of illogical stuff in StarTrek.
Fine, lets consider for a moment that you can beam stuff.... why the heck do they need torpedos then ?
In Perry Rhodan, they at least use Transform-Canons, that "beam" a nuclear bomb direclt to the shields of the enemy or even through them, if they can pass the shields.
Why does the enterprise not just beam a bomb on board of an enemy ship, once the shields are failing ?
Dont tell me, that a simply explosive mechanism is more difficult to beam than a human being.
Sounds to me like a troll from StarTrek Online, where recently a thread was startet with the topic, if STO could ever become "as good as" EVE ;)
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TigerXtrm
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek...
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Alex Raptos
Caldari Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Michaela Mirajkar Especially beaming is a prime example of illogical stuff in StarTrek.
Fine, lets consider for a moment that you can beam stuff.... why the heck do they need torpedos then ?
In Perry Rhodan, they at least use Transform-Canons, that "beam" a nuclear bomb direclt to the shields of the enemy or even through them, if they can pass the shields.
Why does the enterprise not just beam a bomb on board of an enemy ship, once the shields are failing ?
Dont tell me, that a simply explosive mechanism is more difficult to beam than a human being.
Sounds to me like a troll from StarTrek Online, where recently a thread was startet with the topic, if STO could ever become "as good as" EVE ;)
AT
No, its a troll, trolling for the sake of trolling. Nothing more to it
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Lilla Kharn
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:07:00 -
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Extremely Unrealistic gamE. There is no 'V'. I demand a 'V'.
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Alex Raptos
Caldari Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lilla Kharn Extremely Unrealistic gamE. There is no 'V'. I demand a 'V'.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:33:00 -
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Ok, I'll bite for the troll.
Quote: In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Damage is purely related to energy transferred, due to lack of resistance (air) in space projectiles would be extremely effective, more so than lasers/phasers which would get considerably less effective with range. Not to mention Lasers and Hybrids are both better than projectiles in EVE, the only way projectiles are better is that they don't use cap.
Quote: In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
No we aren't, teleportation happens naturally on the quantum level, forcing billions of billions of quantum particles to undergo the exact same teleportation at the exact same time is a completely different thing.
Quote: What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power?
Come on! Even Minmatar ships don't use petrol!!! Also who said EVE was science based? Its a game not a simulation.
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zakarazor
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
they can teleport fotons and single electrons.
I don't think you really grasp the science behind it, nor the English language for that matter.
When the scientists say 'teleport' they actually mean 'transmit all the information about the particle and apply it to another particle'. The result is the same for a single photon, but it gets a bit more complicated when you try and scale it up to more than a few atoms. You see, in order to 'teleport' something, you need to have all the required atoms and subatomic particles already in the destination location, and to teleport you simply transfer the required quantum properties to these particles. To 'teleport' a person, you would need an exact clone of that person down to the individual electrons in their brain already in the destination location. This makes the entire endeavour a bit pointless, and it certainly is nothing like you see on Star Trek.
tl;dr: Star Trek is Science FICTION!
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:41:00 -
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Errr no, quantum tunnelling is a form of true teleportation, not simply information transfer. I think you don't know much about physics either :)
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Micia
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:42:00 -
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Not reading the OP 'til it's translated back into its original Klingon.
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rhinanna Errr no, quantum tunnelling is a form of true teleportation, not simply information transfer. I think you don't know much about physics either :)
See my edit.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:54:00 -
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Have you any real information to suggest that it can't be induced to provide longer distances, multiple jumps or reliability with technology that doesn't currently exist? For example some sort of force-field creating multiple wave field boundaries over the distance between two points that you want to teleport?
We simply don't know at this juncture so its kinda foolish to assume it CAN'T happen.
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Taak Coram
Gallente Cursed Souls Vort3x.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:54:00 -
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I'll bite. To quote a pretty good youtube video, why use lasers when the rock still hurts?
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Xina Tutor
Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:00:00 -
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What to eve stargates and jumpbridges do?
Silly troll tho.. really...
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rhinanna Have you any real information to suggest that it can't be induced to provide longer distances, multiple jumps or reliability with technology that doesn't currently exist? For example some sort of force-field creating multiple wave field boundaries over the distance between two points that you want to teleport?
We simply don't know at this juncture so its kinda foolish to assume it CAN'T happen.
Have you got any evidence to suggest that there isn't a giant pink fluffy bunny rabbit sitting on the opposite side of the galaxy? No? Well I guess I better make a thread demanding to know why EVE doesn't have giant pink fluffy bunny rabbits in it?
Now, admittedly this is a bit extreme and you are right to point out that it is quite possible that in the future we may be able to induce long-range reliable tunnelling, however, I see no point basing game design decisions (or making threads) based on speculation (damn there goes 80% of the forum).
Anyway, I suspect that true teleportation, when it is developed (which it will be), will work by some kind of wormhole technology. Bending space-time at least ensures that all the particles stay together during the journey and you don't arrive inside out.
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Rachel Silverside
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Rachel Silverside on 30/05/2009 23:06:23
Originally by: Zakarazor
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
they can teleport fotons and single electrons.
first off its photons and secondly it's only electrons that teleport becuase they have an equal chance of being everywhere so we don't influence them in anyway. -------------------- i play momorpugers |
Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:04:00 -
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Well I DO think its foolish to say that there 100% definatly isn't a giant pink space rabbit on the other side of the universe. Extremely unlikely I agree :)
As far as quantum tunnelling been used, unlikely perhaps, wormhole tech is perhaps more likely but the simple fact is that we don't know. We might find an extremely simple and reliable way to induce it. Wormhole tech has it's own problems as currently the only ways known to possible create a wormhole involve spinning 2 black holes round each other at near the speed of light, this involves more energy than is believed to currently exist in the universe :)
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:05:00 -
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Do you realize that 1800 mm artillery rounds are almost as tall as you are and with many different types of launchable warheads I doubt star treck shields could withstand that amount of combined raditation and kinetic with the rounds travelling as fast as they do. Also shields in eve are pertty hardy along with armor which can withstand alot of punishment, unlike most star treck ships you take out the shields and all you have to do next is aim for the bridge for that one weak point its over. Most pods in eve are however located within the ship, getting to that is just as bad as trying to take out the ships own reactor and ships are overeginneered to not have goof ups like that until the frame is litterally falling apart. Also dont most star treck ships engage within 10kms? aka visual range? Only a few ships in eve engage that close and they're all using plasama contained by magnetized charged metal startreck shuttle sized shotguns.
Also photon torpedos? your telling me that the reactive weak force of protons is capable of yeilding a far more destructive force of an antimatter detionation or a minanture blackhole compression?
Also I would love to see most star treck ships able to fight, while jammed BECAUSE OF FALCON!
Weapons in eve are pertty advanced, most lasers here seem to have a close 1 to 1 ratio, better than our current 100 to 1 or the best possible with current tech 10 to 1 ratio, the fact they induce that much radiation to slice highly durable plates in half at the ranges they engage at.
Railguns are slinging shells at incredible speeds and blasters are joyuous decendants of shotguns made for ship vs ship. But your right the most primitive weapons in eve are probably lasers, projectiles today dont shoot fun stuff like phased munon plamsa.
Also in star treck spherical sheilds have a massive disadvantage, I'm very surprised hasnt been abused yet, using the shields own field to have a shell slingshot its away across the surface skimming and ripping the shields and having it detonate on the far side causing far more stress than intended, also counter harmonics doesnt seem to be a major warfare tactic at all, in a scifi that cares nothing but shields for protection, counter harmonics would be top of my list to develop, the ability to ignore shields.
Another thing, caldari have black holes for reactors, something all trekies would be jealous of. Enterprise uses the a fission reactor from what I understand something comparable the low tech amarr use.
Earth Star Trek ships still have intakes, you can easily fod out the other ships reactor just my jetting a bit of plasma so all you need is one smartbomb which uses the shield to reverberate and transmit though and youll gaurantee screw any startrek ship over, why in the hell would you even have your goddam intakes open in middile of combat? thats asking for a repeat of star wars vs deathstar to happen.
Also over 200 years of development and building **** why in the hell the hasnt federation havent built counter cloaking devices two to possibly three of thier biggest enemies uses cloaks, what does the other side do? they build cloaks that allow them to fire while cloaked. Cmon federation your lagging behind on the arms race. Cloaks in eve are less than 20 years old and aren't advanced enough that every ship could afford to have em.
Also I'm not sure who brought it up but our warp drives are alot faster than most treck ships but if somone has the math im sure they can prove/disprove that.
Current Teleporters only work on particles atm and its not a true teleporter, just a energy to matter particle printer, if they had a computer strong enough to do an entire human. Plus why everyone sees oh teleporter I can transport things from a to b? Why cant people see other applications, like ohhh an object that tears something apart, what if I have it sort whatever it tears apart into neat individualized blocks and cans (for gasses) whallah ultimate recycler!
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