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Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
190
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:00:00 -
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EVE is getting expensive. Datacores going up making T2 cost more. Minerals making t1 go up. Tech cartel making T2 go up. CCP's new mods being bpc drops making sure they cost alot more. Its funney they are making a war expansion but no one can afford to lose a ship. Should i continue to wait out the high prices or just play with ships i have to grind longer for? |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
688
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:06:00 -
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T1 cruiser gangs are where its at............????? I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
332
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:08:00 -
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Learn to scam. Learn to pirate. Learn to loot. Learn to Explore. Learn to Market. Learn to remote buy. Learn to place BUY orders not buy SELL orders. Learn to wait. Learn to be patient. Learn to fly to different regions.
Eve is designed as a game for the BATTLE over SCARCE RESOURCES between FOUR PLAYER RACES.
So go BATTLE for those SCARCE RESOURCES. |
Selinate
864
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:08:00 -
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or wait it out for them to come back down.
Or get into industry so you can profit off of it. |
Marrco Polio
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:08:00 -
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You could quit PvP'ing, that's what I did. I unachored all my nul PoS stuff and moved to high-sec, along with the 8 other members of my corp. In the 6 months I have been playing nearly all the ship hulls have doubled in price, I can't afford the losses that come with a healthy PvP life style any more. Admittedly high-sec is a lot less fun. My current plan is to buy a fleet with all my assets. When that fleet gets destroyed I am going to let my account lapse, if prices have not plummeted. Grinding for hours to afford a single ship is not fun. So hulkaggeddon has been successful at least one thing, getting 8 more people (plus alts) out of nul-sec and into high-sec. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:09:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:EVE is getting expensive
Good.
This will combat game inflation.
Not everyone suppose to fly top tier ships. Dont fly what you cant afford to lose. CCP is going to rebalance smaller ships to make them usefull ( i suggest them to read this thread - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=105499&find=unread ) |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:10:00 -
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One Rifter is not all that dangerous, a pack of Rifters is a handful, a swarm of Rifters is downright deadly. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
332
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:10:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:One Rifter is not all that dangerous, a pack of Rifters is a handful, a swarm of Rifters is downright deadly.
Rifter's I can deal with, Reapers / Ibis's are deadly. |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:11:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:One Rifter is not all that dangerous, a pack of Rifters is a handful, a swarm of Rifters is downright deadly. Rifter's I can deal with, Reapers / Ibis's are deadly.
You know it. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:11:00 -
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Marrco Polio wrote:You could quit PvP'ing, that's what I did. I unachored all my nul PoS stuff and moved to high-sec, along with the 8 other members of my corp. In the 6 months I have been playing nearly all the ship hulls have doubled in price, I can't afford the losses that come with a healthy PvP life style any more. Admittedly high-sec is a lot less fun. My current plan is to buy a fleet with all my assets. When that fleet gets destroyed I am going to let my account lapse, if prices have not plummeted. Grinding for hours to afford a single ship is not fun. So hulkaggeddon has been successful at least one thing, getting 8 more people (plus alts) out of nul-sec and into high-sec.
Me and my 20 buddies are now more motivated to pvp since losses means more and we all subscribed extra account.
CCP end result +5 subscriptions. |
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Selinate
864
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:11:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:EVE is getting expensive Good. This will combat game inflation.
No... it won't... it's not an isk sink... |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:12:00 -
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Selinate wrote:
No... it won't... it's not an isk sink...
Game inflation not isk(currency) inflation.
Learn to read.
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Selinate
864
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:14:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Selinate wrote:
No... it won't... it's not an isk sink...
Game inflation not isk(currency) inflation. Learn to read.
in-+fla-+tion GÇé GÇé[in-fley-shuhn] noun 1. Economics. a persistent, substantial rise in the general level of prices related to an increase in the volume of money and resulting in the loss of value of currency (opposed to deflation).
Learn to vocab. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:16:00 -
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Selinate wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Selinate wrote:
No... it won't... it's not an isk sink...
Game inflation not isk(currency) inflation. Learn to read. in-+fla-+tion GÇé GÇé[in-fley-shuhn] noun 1. Economics. a persistent, substantial rise in the general level of prices related to an increase in the volume of money and resulting in the loss of value of currency (opposed to deflation). Learn to vocab.
Word 'inflation' is used in many more concepts than just economics.
For example space inflation( as inflation in cosmology )
You failed. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
325
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:19:00 -
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Shut up faceless you don't know what you're talking about. You can't even figure out how to put on a face. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
986
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:22:00 -
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Selinate wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Selinate wrote:
No... it won't... it's not an isk sink...
Game inflation not isk(currency) inflation. Learn to read. in-+fla-+tion GÇé GÇé[in-fley-shuhn] noun 1. Economics. a persistent, substantial rise in the general level of prices related to an increase in the volume of money and resulting in the loss of value of currency (opposed to deflation). Learn to vocab. Game inflation, otherwise known as mudflation. Go google it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:22:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Shut up faceless you don't know what you're talking about. You can't even figure out how to put on a face.
When people lack logical arguments they start ad hominem attacks which only shows how clueless they are. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
30
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:22:00 -
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I didn't login for 7 months and upon returning found some ship prices inflated by 60% (obelisk: 680m => 1100m). Game becomes less suitable for casual hi-sec players whos income isn't based on interactions with other players - i.e. missioners.
Either missions payouts and npc bounties will be adjusted (I doubt) - or more likely it's time for hi-sec missioners to consider switch to inflation-independent anti-social activities. Like scamming and piracy. Trading or manufacturing is too complicated for most while exploration in hi-sec doesn't provide steady income. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
450
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:23:00 -
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...and Dust is the new focus. EVE the expendible mule. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:28:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:I didn't login for 7 months and upon returning found some ship prices inflated by 60% (obelisk: 680m => 1100m). Game becomes less suitable for casual hi-sec players whos income isn't based on interactions with other players - i.e. missioners.
Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec.
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clixor
Celluloid Gurus
21
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:41:00 -
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If existing PVPpers are downgrading this in turn means that wannabe pvppers have actually a chance of competing. Losing ships actually is starting to hurt making the fights more intense as well.
And casual players can always buy a PLEX and play with that isk for a while. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
986
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:43:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Lipbite wrote:I didn't login for 7 months and upon returning found some ship prices inflated by 60% (obelisk: 680m => 1100m). Game becomes less suitable for casual hi-sec players whos income isn't based on interactions with other players - i.e. missioners.
Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec. +1
And that "low/null" isn't for casual players line is BS. I log in maybe three times a week, im in a corp consisting literally just of me and my alts, yet I operate just fine in low sec and NPC null sec.
(well, I did lose a pos last week. But I didn't log in for four days straight so is kind of to be expected, and the pos wasn't exactly a necessity.)
The truth is low/null aren't for risk averse players, or stupid players. If you believe the only thing holding you back is the number of hours you have available, you're lying to yourself.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:43:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Lipbite wrote:I didn't login for 7 months and upon returning found some ship prices inflated by 60% (obelisk: 680m => 1100m). Game becomes less suitable for casual hi-sec players whos income isn't based on interactions with other players - i.e. missioners.
Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec.
Didn't you know that AI rats are dangerously smart and asteroids are a miners worst nightmare? Think man, think. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1504
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:47:00 -
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As I'm in the process of liquidating piles of assets, i'm quite enjoying these prices. Everything is selling for twice what i paid for it a year ago. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
30
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:51:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec.
Well, if your in-game income is under 2b monthly (2-3 hours of missions daily) losing T2 battleship may kill all feeling of progression and motivation to login next time (50-100 hours of grind for new internetpixels ships? no, thanks). Especially considering it's bicycling/camping season.
P.S. I don't run missions. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
986
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:52:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec. Well, if your in-game income is under 2b monthly (2-3 hours of missions daily) losing T2 battleship may kill all feeling of progression and motivation to login next time (50-100 hours of grind for new internetpixels ships? no, thanks). Especially considering it's bicycling/camping season. P.S. I don't run missions. If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3760
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:59:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:EVE is getting expensive. Datacores going up making T2 cost more. Minerals making t1 go up. Tech cartel making T2 go up. CCP's new mods being bpc drops making sure they cost alot more. Its funney they are making a war expansion but no one can afford to lose a ship. Should i continue to wait out the high prices or just play with ships i have to grind longer for?
Or, you know, try and play a little better. Just a thought. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
295
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:00:00 -
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I see a great depression on the horizon. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
30
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:01:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved.
Sadly, it seems CCP think in that way too. No wonder game stagnate for 4 years while being unable to provide feeling of progression for those 70% of player who "live" in hi-sec. And now 70% year-to-year ship prices fluctuation adds some disappointment. |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
120
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:07:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:T1 cruiser gangs are where its at............?????
AMEN. We have a blog, it is terrible. How to fix Bounty Hunting |
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
1419
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:08:00 -
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Marrco Polio wrote:... with a healthy PvP life style any more. Admittedly high-sec is a lot less fun
Your complaint indicates you're practicing the exact opposite of a 'healthy' pvp lifestyle. PvP should be done for a reason. Under most circumstances that would be making money in the long run. Fight over Pocos, moons, control of an area to exploit its riches (not necessarily sov - having 'air superiority' in a NPC 0.0,/lowsec area/WH would help, too), kill expensive ships for loot, gank miners to manipulate the market after you stockpiled minerals - whatever...
People are currently doing way too much entirely pointless PvP, grinding red crosses to go on a pointless roam in lowsec in a weekend for no other purpose than gaining killmails - PvP as an end in itself, whereas it's supposed to be a means to an end.
You know... morons. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
987
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:13:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Sadly, it seems CCP think in that way too. No wonder game stagnate for 4 years while being unable to provide feeling of progression for those 70% of player who "live" in hi-sec. And now 70% year-to-year ship prices fluctuation adds some disappointment. Protip: next time you are in high sec take a good long look at that 70%.
Most will be blatant NPC hauling alts, some will be in null sec corps, others will be in holding corps and more still will be plain old trading alts.
That 70% figure is completely useless, it gives you no more idea as to the distribution of Eve's player base as random guessing would.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3761
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:16:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Sadly, it seems CCP think in that way too. No wonder game stagnate for 4 years while being unable to provide feeling of progression for those 70% of player who "live" in hi-sec. And now 70% year-to-year ship prices fluctuation adds some disappointment.
Since the real cost of ships has fallen steeply over the last few years, you could just look at it as a partial return to the status quo ante. In terms of player hours of effort required to buy one, they're still much cheaper than they were in the first half of the game.
Re-tilting the balance towards cheaper ships has several beneficial effects, not the least of which is to make "standard fleets" more accessible to low-SP players.
Did we really want to see EVE carrying on down the path it was on last year, where your choice of ships for "serious" fleets was narrowing down to: Supercapitals, Tech 3, and as a sop to the scrubs, dictors and probers?
Because make no mistake, that was where we were heading. Leaving CCP with a choice of either: rebalance the whole game around supers/T3s and gift new players 20-30M SP to start with, or else make an effort to reset the mudflation EVE has seen. If anything, Soundwave & co should be nerfing income and resources harder, but you can only boil the frog so fast.
So the answer to the question posed above is, yes, we should unironically hope and expect to see T1 cruiser gangs become normal and viable again. It will take a long time, there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness, many cries of undue Goon/PL/FoTM Alliance-du-jour influence, but it can be done, it must be done and I hope it will be done. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
O'Sheagada
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:19:00 -
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Maybe PvP will look like all the CCP eve videos for once? Big ships...and small ships... the whole I was there thing and everyone has a roll....
not just cookie cutter blobs of ships?
IDK but I am curious how things look in ~3 months |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:20:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Lipbite wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec. Well, if your in-game income is under 2b monthly (2-3 hours of missions daily) losing T2 battleship may kill all feeling of progression and motivation to login next time (50-100 hours of grind for new internetpixels ships? no, thanks). Especially considering it's bicycling/camping season. P.S. I don't run missions. If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Yet 1 of the 2 types of T2 BS's lends itself so well to highsec PvE |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
987
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:23:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Lipbite wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec. Well, if your in-game income is under 2b monthly (2-3 hours of missions daily) losing T2 battleship may kill all feeling of progression and motivation to login next time (50-100 hours of grind for new internetpixels ships? no, thanks). Especially considering it's bicycling/camping season. P.S. I don't run missions. If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Yet 1 of the 2 types of T2 BS's lends itself so well to highsec PvE I wouldn't exactly call it cost effective if you're stupid enough to lose it though.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:24:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec. Well, if your in-game income is under 2b monthly (2-3 hours of missions daily) losing T2 battleship may kill all feeling of progression and motivation to login next time (50-100 hours of grind in crappy t1 BS to purchase internetpixels t2 ship you already had? no, thanks). Especially considering it's bicycling/camping season. P.S. I don't run missions.
How do you lose t2 battleship in hi sec ?? - by being careless and stupid. What is next step in progression after t2 battleship in hi sec ?? - unsubscribing due to boredom
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:33:00 -
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O'Sheagada wrote:Maybe PvP will look like all the CCP eve videos for once? Big ships...and small ships... the whole I was there thing and everyone has a roll....
not just cookie cutter blobs of ships?
IDK but I am curious how things look in ~3 months
For this to happen you would need to implement line of sight which wont happen anytime soon due to technology limits. |
Sister Rhode
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:41:00 -
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You mean to say your alliance/corp doesn't reimburse your pvp ships?
Jeese, that must suck. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:43:00 -
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Sister Rhode wrote:You mean to say your alliance/corp doesn't reimburse your pvp ships?
Jeese, that must suck.
Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons. |
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Bolow Santosi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:46:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Sister Rhode wrote:You mean to say your alliance/corp doesn't reimburse your pvp ships?
Jeese, that must suck. Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons.
Haters gonna hate |
Chump Clone
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:54:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Marrco Polio wrote:... with a healthy PvP life style any more... Your complaint indicates you're practicing the exact opposite of a 'healthy' pvp lifestyle. PvP should be done for a reason. Under most circumstances that would be making money in the long run. Fight over Pocos, moons, control of an area to exploit its riches (not necessarily sov - having 'air superiority' in a NPC 0.0,/lowsec area/WH would help, too), kill expensive ships for loot, gank miners to manipulate the market after you stockpiled minerals - whatever... People are currently doing way too much entirely pointless PvP, grinding red crosses to go on a pointless roam in lowsec in a weekend for no other purpose than gaining killmails - PvP as an end in itself, whereas it's supposed to be a means to an end.
Damn - your ugly.
Stop trying to tell peeps what the game is supposed to be. |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:54:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:...and Dust is the new focus. EVE the expendible mule.
Seems like yesterday that vampires were the new focus.
At any rate, if things get to the point where an endless grind is called for, I'm out of here.
I already have a day job. :)
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Rath Kelbore
Spaceship Hooligan Productions
194
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:58:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:EVE is getting expensive. Datacores going up making T2 cost more. Minerals making t1 go up. Tech cartel making T2 go up. CCP's new mods being bpc drops making sure they cost alot more. Its funney they are making a war expansion but no one can afford to lose a ship. Should i continue to wait out the high prices or just play with ships i have to grind longer for?
Just play with ships that you can easily afford. Now that BC's are so expensive it almost makes sense to fly t1 cruisers again, almost.
I mean god forbid you use a t1 ship with *gasp* t1 fittings :) I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
129
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:31:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons. Goons without tech would be more interesting. They would have to play the game the way the rest of us do. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Torneach
Emrys Enterprises
103
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:34:00 -
[46] - Quote
Adapt or die, just like everything else in EVE.
It applies to everyone, miners and PvPers alike. |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
252
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:50:00 -
[47] - Quote
TBH, I highly suspect CCP are deliberately driving prices up. With the introduction of incursions and the abundance of WH intel these days, making ISK in EVE has never been easier, even for low SP characters. Since everyone now has a ton more ISK on average than they used to and given CCP can't realistically nerf ISK making to the ground without losing half their subscriptions, making changes that raise prices is the logical solution. |
Aemonchichi
Limited Access Guardian Society
4
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:53:00 -
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kill moar miners to make ships cheaper |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.05.14 23:31:00 -
[49] - Quote
Funny, my CC gets billed $15.00, and I still get 30 days of game time. IDGI? "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Selinate
864
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Posted - 2012.05.14 23:33:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Selinate wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Selinate wrote:
No... it won't... it's not an isk sink...
Game inflation not isk(currency) inflation. Learn to read. in-+fla-+tion GÇé GÇé[in-fley-shuhn] noun 1. Economics. a persistent, substantial rise in the general level of prices related to an increase in the volume of money and resulting in the loss of value of currency (opposed to deflation). Learn to vocab. Game inflation, otherwise known as mudflation. Go google it.
You mean oversupply? Inflation refers to devaluing of currency. Don't care what improper words you want to use, that's not what it means. |
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Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:46:00 -
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I just invested in 2 Ferox's and 3 Thorax's for ***** and giggles PvP.
Relatively cheap, and damn fun. I lied :o
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Edington Trent
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:25:00 -
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Drew Solaert wrote:I just invested in 2 Ferox's and 3 Thorax's for ***** and giggles PvP.
Relatively cheap, and damn fun.
Use the Autocannon Ferox. Nobody expects an Autocannon Ferox! "Keep it dangerous, keep it risky. That sense of GÇ£here goesGÇ¥ every time you undock should never leave us."-á |
MR DEMOS
Death Knight Legion Whiskey Creek Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:48:00 -
[53] - Quote
Ummm is this a thread about those Thousand dollar Pants again?? |
Feyona
Imperial Outlaws
9
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:59:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Marrco Polio wrote:... with a healthy PvP life style any more... Your complaint indicates you're practicing the exact opposite of a 'healthy' pvp lifestyle. PvP should be done for a reason. Under most circumstances that would be making money in the long run. Fight over Pocos, moons, control of an area to exploit its riches (not necessarily sov - having 'air superiority' in a NPC 0.0,/lowsec area/WH would help, too), kill expensive ships for loot, gank miners to manipulate the market after you stockpiled minerals - whatever... People are currently doing way too much entirely pointless PvP, grinding red crosses to go on a pointless roam in lowsec in a weekend for no other purpose than gaining killmails - PvP as an end in itself, whereas it's supposed to be a means to an end.
That **** is pretty boring though. Literally everything in this game except killing other players is terribly boring. That's why it is the way it is. Why exploit an area's riches if you are not going to use them to then get shiny ships to fight with?? Riches themselves don't get you anything. It's not like you're going to go out to a fancy restaurant or pick up chicks in EVE.
Anyway, it's not as if money is at all hard to come by, even with things costing twice as much as they used to. If you can't make enough money to buy some decent ships in an afternoon... well, train up a tengu or start on some industry or trading. Whatever. |
Torneach
Emrys Enterprises
105
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:08:00 -
[55] - Quote
Feyona wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Marrco Polio wrote:... with a healthy PvP life style any more... Your complaint indicates you're practicing the exact opposite of a 'healthy' pvp lifestyle. PvP should be done for a reason. Under most circumstances that would be making money in the long run. Fight over Pocos, moons, control of an area to exploit its riches (not necessarily sov - having 'air superiority' in a NPC 0.0,/lowsec area/WH would help, too), kill expensive ships for loot, gank miners to manipulate the market after you stockpiled minerals - whatever... People are currently doing way too much entirely pointless PvP, grinding red crosses to go on a pointless roam in lowsec in a weekend for no other purpose than gaining killmails - PvP as an end in itself, whereas it's supposed to be a means to an end. That **** is pretty boring though. Literally everything in this game except killing other players is terribly boring. That's why it is the way it is. Why exploit an area's riches if you are not going to use them to then get shiny ships to fight with?? Riches themselves don't get you anything. It's not like you're going to go out to a fancy restaurant or pick up chicks in EVE.
OK, it's time to play the WHY game.
Here's how it works - You say you want to do something. Then ask yourself, "Why?" Then, after getting the next stage (the answer to the "Why?", then ask, "Why?" again.
Here's an example (has nothing to do with me myself):
I mine in lowsec.
Why? - To get zydrine, nocxium, and some megacyte from the odd gravi site.
Why? - To sell to my corporation so they can build ships, mods, and amunition.
Why? - So the corporation can gain money.
Why? - So the corporation can support a ship replacement program for those who PvP.
Why? - So the corporation has a PvP force that isn't bored and can be called upon when needed.
Why? - To fight off attackers who want to attack the miners and the corporation's assets, and expand the corporation's sphere of influence.
Why? - To gain power, riches, and glory.
Why? - To expand the power of the corporation, and maybe create an alliance.
Why? - To gain more power, riches, and glory.
Why? - To expand the power of the alliance.
Why? - To conquer some nullsec space.
Why? - To gain more power, riches, and glory.
.......
And so it goes on.
Point is, some people have a longer "Why?" chain than others, and get a thrill from the 'big picture'. Others may not. That's why some are corporation and alliance leaders, and others are 'grunts'. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
734
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:18:00 -
[56] - Quote
Other than trit and pyr, the mins are dropping... at least in Domain. |
Shian Yang
121
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:29:00 -
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Selinate wrote:You mean oversupply? Inflation refers to devaluing of currency. Don't care what improper words you want to use, that's not what it means.
Greetings capsuleer,
You are incorrect. Monetary inflation is but one use of the word "inflation". It is applicable to a few different scenarios and are equally correct used in those contexts.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:32:00 -
[58] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Lipbite wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Sadly, it seems CCP think in that way too. No wonder game stagnate for 4 years while being unable to provide feeling of progression for those 70% of player who "live" in hi-sec. And now 70% year-to-year ship prices fluctuation adds some disappointment. Since the real cost of ships has fallen steeply over the last few years, you could just look at it as a partial return to the status quo ante. In terms of player hours of effort required to buy one, they're still much cheaper than they were in the first half of the game. Re-tilting the balance towards cheaper ships has several beneficial effects, not the least of which is to make "standard fleets" more accessible to low-SP players. Did we really want to see EVE carrying on down the path it was on last year, where your choice of ships for "serious" fleets was narrowing down to: Supercapitals, Tech 3, and as a sop to the scrubs, dictors and probers? Because make no mistake, that was where we were heading. Leaving CCP with a choice of either: rebalance the whole game around supers/T3s and gift new players 20-30M SP to start with, or else make an effort to reset the mudflation EVE has seen. If anything, Soundwave & co should be nerfing income and resources harder, but you can only boil the frog so fast. So the answer to the question posed above is, yes, we should unironically hope and expect to see T1 cruiser gangs become normal and viable again. It will take a long time, there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness, many cries of undue Goon/PL/FoTM Alliance-du-jour influence, but it can be done, it must be done and I hope it will be done.
You should have run for the CSM. Good post. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:36:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons. Goons without tech would be more interesting. They would have to play the game the way the rest of us do.
Giving goons credit is embarrassing, for the last 24 months however, they have been advocating a Tech nerf.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
337
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:39:00 -
[60] - Quote
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons.
goonswarm is the only alliance with substantial technetium holdings
you heard it here first folks eh |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:45:00 -
[61] - Quote
ModeratedToSilence wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons. Goons without tech would be more interesting. They would have to play the game the way the rest of us do. Giving goons credit is embarrassing, for the last 24 months however, they have been advocating a Tech nerf.
yes we have
the point is to get pubbies to be against a tech nerf because it's the ~goon agenda~
oops eh |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C. Dark Phoenix Rising.
153
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:56:00 -
[62] - Quote
tbh, i'm probably just going to make my isk in dust and send it to my eve character. Sometimes, the best thing to do is have a random moment of compassion. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
144
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:50:00 -
[63] - Quote
I'm rich so I don't care There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1484
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Posted - 2012.05.15 04:44:00 -
[64] - Quote
Katarina Reid wrote:EVE is getting expensive. Datacores going up making T2 cost more. Minerals making t1 go up. Tech cartel making T2 go up. CCP's new mods being bpc drops making sure they cost alot more. Its funney they are making a war expansion but no one can afford to lose a ship. Should i continue to wait out the high prices or just play with ships i have to grind longer for?
It's called "the end of stupid ship loss".
Fly smarter not harder.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
733
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:52:00 -
[65] - Quote
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Lipbite wrote:I didn't login for 7 months and upon returning found some ship prices inflated by 60% (obelisk: 680m => 1100m). Game becomes less suitable for casual hi-sec players whos income isn't based on interactions with other players - i.e. missioners. Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec. Hardcore freightering action ~
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
733
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:53:00 -
[66] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:ModeratedToSilence wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons. Goons without tech would be more interesting. They would have to play the game the way the rest of us do. Giving goons credit is embarrassing, for the last 24 months however, they have been advocating a Tech nerf. yes we have the point is to get pubbies to be against a tech nerf because it's the ~goon agenda~oops PL, NC., Ev0ke and the rest might be interested in talking with you about them being goons ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
632
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:55:00 -
[67] - Quote
Making Isk is easier than ever, go make some isk. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
343
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:57:00 -
[68] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:PL, NC., Ev0ke and the rest might be interested in talking with you about them being goons ...
you haven't seen the rampant conspiracy theories around our support of a tech nerf have you eh |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
990
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:19:00 -
[69] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:PL, NC., Ev0ke and the rest might be interested in talking with you about them being goons ...
you haven't seen the rampant conspiracy theories around our support of a tech nerf have you Ahh, I love the goon conspiracy theories you get popping up on these forums.
I swear if high sec miners put half the creativity they put into coming up with goon conspiracy theories, into actually going through with conspiracies of their own, then they'd be the most powerful force in Eve.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
954
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:27:00 -
[70] - Quote
Quote:Ship loss should have meaning!
Quote:Ships are too expensive!
sigh
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
990
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:30:00 -
[71] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Quote:Ship loss should have meaning! Quote:Ships are too expensive! sigh Wow, quoting the opinions of two different people, to show that they differ. There was much point to this post.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:38:00 -
[72] - Quote
ModeratedToSilence wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons. Goons without tech would be more interesting. They would have to play the game the way the rest of us do. Giving goons credit is embarrassing, for the last 24 months however, they have been advocating a Tech nerf.
Advocating is just for show. Do you see any nerf coming this expansion ??? |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
343
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:43:00 -
[73] - Quote
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:ModeratedToSilence wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons. Goons without tech would be more interesting. They would have to play the game the way the rest of us do. Giving goons credit is embarrassing, for the last 24 months however, they have been advocating a Tech nerf. Advocating is just for show. Do you see any nerf coming this expansion ???
the more sensible players (i.e. those who don't hide behind NPC alts) believe that the tech nerf needs to be accomplished in a way that doesn't simply make another moon mineral the new bottleneck
personally I feel that ytterbium's ship balancing thing should lead to the currently underused T2 hulls (i.e. those that are not amarr/minmatar) being viable PvP platforms, allowing for T2 production to be reworked to depend on racial moon minerals to produce components for individual racial T2 hulls, balancing the demand for racial R32 minerals
basically death2bottlenecks eh |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
32
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Posted - 2012.05.15 09:49:00 -
[74] - Quote
This is not a theme park mmo, fly T1 ships. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
266
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Posted - 2012.05.15 10:28:00 -
[75] - Quote
It's a game. Games are fun when all players agree on the rules. Rules agreed on. Game on! ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Didier Nardieu
Mining Express
6
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Posted - 2012.05.15 12:40:00 -
[76] - Quote
High price less gank ! its better for us.. too much players think their ships are kleenex ! |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.05.15 12:47:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:EVE is getting expensive. Datacores going up making T2 cost more. Minerals making t1 go up. Tech cartel making T2 go up. CCP's new mods being bpc drops making sure they cost alot more. Its funney they are making a war expansion but no one can afford to lose a ship. Should i continue to wait out the high prices or just play with ships i have to grind longer for? It's called "the end of stupid ship loss". Fly smarter not harder.
You can't have meaningful wars without *someone* losing their ships, no matter how hard or smart they're flying. Shame they never got around to buffing T1 cruisers, now would be their time to shine.
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.05.15 12:48:00 -
[78] - Quote
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Sister Rhode wrote:You mean to say your alliance/corp doesn't reimburse your pvp ships?
Jeese, that must suck. Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons.
Didn't Goons lose all their moons a while back? And then took them back again later?
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Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Imperial Ascension
373
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Posted - 2012.05.15 13:13:00 -
[79] - Quote
The biggest issue I see with price inflation is it creates a barrier for entry for newer entities vs older, more established ones which already have a few hundred billion (or trillion) in ships and assets.
There are of course some strategies to compete; stealth bomber wings used against Tier 3 / Battleship gangs, but ultimately it's going to come down to conventional warfare where the change in situations means that one group has become embedded, where as the other has had a penalty placed upon them.
The same goes for new players wanting to try new parts of the game; with even T1 cruisers costing more, and god forbid a level 3 missioning battlecruiser, I don't see how runaway inflation is positive. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
265
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:37:00 -
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Selinate wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:EVE is getting expensive Good. This will combat game inflation. No... it won't... it's not an isk sink...
Give it up Selinate. People have been trying and failing to beat that through thick heads for 9 years.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1485
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:36:00 -
[81] - Quote
Takseen wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:EVE is getting expensive. Datacores going up making T2 cost more. Minerals making t1 go up. Tech cartel making T2 go up. CCP's new mods being bpc drops making sure they cost alot more. Its funney they are making a war expansion but no one can afford to lose a ship. Should i continue to wait out the high prices or just play with ships i have to grind longer for? It's called "the end of stupid ship loss". Fly smarter not harder. You can't have meaningful wars without *someone* losing their ships, no matter how hard or smart they're flying. Shame they never got around to buffing T1 cruisers, now would be their time to shine.
My point is, the "blob and get blobbed" tactics involving battle ships was and will always be dumb. Now it's getting expensive. That's good. Do you field expensive stuff unsupported by other ships in their necessary support roles and no intel? The way it was (or is for those who don't get the memo or still have a lot of ISK) is to just send in blobs of battleships and then decide if they have to run later, usually by being out-blobbed or finding out the hard way they are up against frigates that can deal lots of damage and outrun their turrets.
No, don't bring some destroyers or assault frigate support. No, don't use intel and research. Just get in the BS at the "spawn point" and when you get popped, respawn and get into another battleship and repeat.
Why not just play Call of Duty instead?
Now instead of "we want only l33t players with at least 50M SP who can fly all T2 equipped BS", perhaps those lesser skilled destroyer, cruiser, and frig captains would be of more use? (Goons, as much as we are required to hate them, understand this).
Do armies take their main battle tanks, to the tune of tens of millions of dollars each, and just send them into the field without ground and air support? Do fighter-bombers just cross into enemy airspace without intel about the available AA in the field?
If main battle tanks cost only a million bucks or so, as well as fighter jets, and the crews respawned, perhaps so.
This game is simply becoming more of what everybody likes to fluff their e-peens over: a "hard game so HTFU or go back to WOW!!!1!!! Marsha Marsha Marsha I hate being a middle child!!!1!!emo rant rage!!!1!"
If not being able to be all twinked up bothers some people around here, we all know where WoW is, right?
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Ferroto Baggins
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:38:00 -
[82] - Quote
What were seeing here is inflation caused by increasing the ISK supply. the ISK supply gets increased whenever you do missions, rat, do incursions you know anything isk generation methods that doesn't involve buying\selling on the markets items that were created by players. Each time the value of ISK gets cut in half it takes only half the time for it to happen again. eventually we will start to see hyperinflation in eve online. Mineral prices are only up due to this inflation people should be buying minerals\trade goods etc... to protect themselves from this inflation. |
Ferroto Baggins
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:39:00 -
[83] - Quote
**double post** |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.05.15 17:02:00 -
[84] - Quote
Ferroto Baggins wrote:What were seeing here is inflation caused by increasing the ISK supply. the ISK supply gets increased whenever you do missions, rat, do incursions you know anything isk generation methods that doesn't involve buying\selling on the markets items that were created by players. Each time the value of ISK gets cut in half it takes only half the time for it to happen again. eventually we will start to see hyperinflation in eve online. Mineral prices are only up due to this inflation people should be buying minerals\trade goods etc... to protect themselves from this inflation.
Yep, its the money supply. Definitely nothing to do with drone region nerf, Meta 0 drop nerf, and the recent Hulkageddon.
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.05.15 17:14:00 -
[85] - Quote
@Herzog
Yes, more ship hulls being used would be nice. But you gotta admit T1 cruisers are pretty lousy atm. If people blob with only one type of ship, its because it works.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.05.15 17:26:00 -
[86] - Quote
That is a quaint notion. Thousands upon thousands of players have been training to fly those nifty, top-tier ships over the years. They have high-ISK clones and maybe sets of bling implants. The ever-present "next thing" is one of the main reasons for sticking with the game and either paying for a sub or buying PLEX's off of some other scrub.
You are proposing that people currently flying skill-intensive battleships, tech 3 cruisers, command ships, etc. move back down the food chain into frigates and destroyers because CCP can't design its way out of the gutter? 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284286 |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.15 17:28:00 -
[87] - Quote
Katarina Reid wrote:EVE is getting expensive. Datacores going up making T2 cost more. Minerals making t1 go up. Tech cartel making T2 go up. CCP's new mods being bpc drops making sure they cost alot more. Its funney they are making a war expansion but no one can afford to lose a ship. Should i continue to wait out the high prices or just play with ships i have to grind longer for?
Your missing the point, CCP wants your to purchases plexes, that is all. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:12:00 -
[88] - Quote
bongsmoke wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:EVE is getting expensive. Datacores going up making T2 cost more. Minerals making t1 go up. Tech cartel making T2 go up. CCP's new mods being bpc drops making sure they cost alot more. Its funney they are making a war expansion but no one can afford to lose a ship. Should i continue to wait out the high prices or just play with ships i have to grind longer for? Your missing the point, CCP wants your to purchases plexes, that is all. What this man writes is true, but what CCP is missing is that they need to ensure that the tools to create amazing content are in-place and or fancy toys are compelling enough to want to buy GTCs or PLEX.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
990
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:21:00 -
[89] - Quote
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:That is a quaint notion. Thousands upon thousands of players have been training to fly those nifty, top-tier ships over the years. They have high-ISK clones and maybe sets of bling implants. The ever-present "next thing" is one of the main reasons for sticking with the game and either paying for a sub or buying PLEX's off of some other scrub. You are proposing that people currently flying skill-intensive battleships, tech 3 cruisers, command ships, etc. move back down the food chain into frigates and destroyers because CCP can't design its way out of the gutter? The same principles apply to mudflation as apply to buying SP, instant gratification is generally bad. Players may believe they want instantly accessible ships, but when given them they tend to get bored as they have nothing left to aim for in game.
When a ship holds value, when it takes time to work for and you constantly have something to work toward... That is the "hook" that makes games like Eve addictive.
Instant gratification, whether in the form of free skill points or cheap "top-tier" ships, is generally detrimental to any game world. Plenty of MMOs have fallen victim to mudflation over the years, Eve was headed in that direction.
I for one am glad CCP is pulling us back from the brink.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:37:00 -
[90] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:That is a quaint notion. Thousands upon thousands of players have been training to fly those nifty, top-tier ships over the years. They have high-ISK clones and maybe sets of bling implants. The ever-present "next thing" is one of the main reasons for sticking with the game and either paying for a sub or buying PLEX's off of some other scrub. You are proposing that people currently flying skill-intensive battleships, tech 3 cruisers, command ships, etc. move back down the food chain into frigates and destroyers because CCP can't design its way out of the gutter? The same principles apply to mudflation as apply to buying SP, instant gratification is generally bad. Players may believe they want instantly accessible ships, but when given them they tend to get bored as they have nothing left to aim for in game. When a ship holds value, when it takes time to work for and you constantly have something to work toward... That is the "hook" that makes games like Eve addictive. Instant gratification, whether in the form of free skill points or cheap "top-tier" ships, is generally detrimental to any game world. Plenty of MMOs have fallen victim to mudflation over the years, Eve was headed in that direction. I for one am glad CCP is pulling us back from the brink. I can only buy into this logic up to a point. I am in agreement that goals and difficult-to-reach targets drive player involvement.
Where you lose me is when we want or need these higher-tier ships for PvP activities. There is little-to-no boredom involved with having a carrier or three filled with the tools for PvP for which we have spent years training. I look at my assets and I am pleased that I can be prepared for fleet activities. It is as simple as that.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
990
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:46:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:That is a quaint notion. Thousands upon thousands of players have been training to fly those nifty, top-tier ships over the years. They have high-ISK clones and maybe sets of bling implants. The ever-present "next thing" is one of the main reasons for sticking with the game and either paying for a sub or buying PLEX's off of some other scrub. You are proposing that people currently flying skill-intensive battleships, tech 3 cruisers, command ships, etc. move back down the food chain into frigates and destroyers because CCP can't design its way out of the gutter? The same principles apply to mudflation as apply to buying SP, instant gratification is generally bad. Players may believe they want instantly accessible ships, but when given them they tend to get bored as they have nothing left to aim for in game. When a ship holds value, when it takes time to work for and you constantly have something to work toward... That is the "hook" that makes games like Eve addictive. Instant gratification, whether in the form of free skill points or cheap "top-tier" ships, is generally detrimental to any game world. Plenty of MMOs have fallen victim to mudflation over the years, Eve was headed in that direction. I for one am glad CCP is pulling us back from the brink. I can only buy into this logic up to a point. I am in agreement that goals and difficult-to-reach targets drive player involvement. Where you lose me is when we want or need these higher-tier ships for PvP activities. There is little-to-no boredom involved with having a carrier or three filled with the tools for PvP for which we have spent years training. I look at my assets and I am pleased that I can be prepared for fleet activities. It is as simple as that. The problem is that mudflation applies to PvP as much as anything else, and not just in the form of everyone having a battlecruiser handy when its needed.
You see it in the rampant super capital proliferation, the titan blob or t3 doctrine. This is not really something that is "noob friendly", nor is it something that makes for particularly interesting game play.
Making minerals more expensive may make it harder to buy battle cruisers/ships, but it doesnt make it impossible. And its always possible to PvP in cheaper ships to great effect, but what it does do very effectively is put a halt to the rampant super capital and titan production in game. Or at least slow it.
As for people that continue to use expensive ship doctrines or fleets regardless of cost, good for them. The new found rarity and value of their ships will doubtless make the game more exciting both for them, and for those attempting to kill them with cheaper more readily available ships.
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Mah Kraah
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:06:00 -
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when i started to play everything was cheaper, tru. but ppl had alot less income. it is much easyer to get the money to finance pvp than it was back than. you are a mining as income source ??? imagine to make a living without: t2 miners no ships with miningboni whatsoever no barges no hulks ....
no passive income like Pi
missionrunning to finance your pvp? no lvl4 missions!
no wormholes , no moongold,
we did corpwidt mining ops to build battleships for our members because it took ages to earn enough money to buy one. guess what, we still had fun, we still did alot pvp and we lost ships like hell. stop whining . the prices are only going back where they should be. ccp did the mistake to infuse way to much isk into the game. a soloplayer should never ever be able to earn billions in month . caps where introduced as alliance ships , requiring the afford of dozends if not hundreds of players, nowdays solo players with the right profession can buy one every month....... |
Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:30:00 -
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Mah Kraah wrote:when i started to play everything was cheaper, tru. but ppl had alot less income. it is much easyer to get the money to finance pvp than it was back than. you are a mining as income source ??? imagine to make a living without: t2 miners no ships with miningboni whatsoever no barges no hulks ....
no passive income like Pi
missionrunning to finance your pvp? no lvl4 missions!
no wormholes , no moongold,
we did corpwidt mining ops to build battleships for our members because it took ages to earn enough money to buy one. guess what, we still had fun, we still did alot pvp and we lost ships like hell. stop whining . the prices are only going back where they should be. ccp did the mistake to infuse way to much isk into the game. a soloplayer should never ever be able to earn billions in month . caps where introduced as alliance ships , requiring the afford of dozends if not hundreds of players, nowdays solo players with the right profession can buy one every month....... This
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Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:39:00 -
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Mah Kraah wrote:when i started to play everything was cheaper, tru. but ppl had alot less income. it is much easyer to get the money to finance pvp than it was back than. you are a mining as income source ??? imagine to make a living without: t2 miners no ships with miningboni whatsoever no barges no hulks ....
no passive income like Pi
missionrunning to finance your pvp? no lvl4 missions!
no wormholes , no moongold,
we did corpwidt mining ops to build battleships for our members because it took ages to earn enough money to buy one. guess what, we still had fun, we still did alot pvp and we lost ships like hell. stop whining . the prices are only going back where they should be. ccp did the mistake to infuse way to much isk into the game. a soloplayer should never ever be able to earn billions in month . caps where introduced as alliance ships , requiring the afford of dozends if not hundreds of players, nowdays solo players with the right profession can buy one every month.......
totally agree ^^^^ this
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.05.15 20:20:00 -
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Takseen wrote:@Herzog
Yes, more ship hulls being used would be nice. But you gotta admit T1 cruisers are pretty lousy atm. If people blob with only one type of ship, its because it works.
We must admit though that the destroyers were buffed and the sig penalty for MWD use with assault frigs was reduced. Those are steps in the right direction.
Whereas we have tier 2 and tier 3 battlecruisers, certainly this path is welcome with cruisers and I look forward to seeing what is dreamed up.
I must point out something strange though: the rise in prices is not as remarkable with faction and T2 frigates. The Hookbill, Comet, etc have not gone up in price, so this is certainly linked to material cost. One thing that people are overlooking is that in addition to Hulkageddon and the drone region nerf, there is also the Botageddon that occurred recently that is likely making materials scarce. Again, those ships whose high cost is coming not from materials but status as a faction or T2 ship and not having a high overhead in raw materials are pretty close to their prices as of a few months ago. |
Gorenaire
Theosophical Society
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Posted - 2012.05.15 21:08:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved.
Im not sure if people who live in high sec desserve or need a T2 BS, but you surely need an award for the dumbest statement I have read in a long time
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.05.15 21:21:00 -
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Gorenaire wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved.
Im not sure if people who live in high sec desserve or need a T2 BS, but you surely need an award for the dumbest statement I have read in a long time I especially like the part where you express confusion as to your opinions on the validity of my statement, before claiming that my statement is dumb.
Perhaps next time you should form an opinion before posting, preferably one backed by an argument of some kind.
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