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Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
28
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:02:00 -
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And yet another thread that proves, again, that the CSM is a bad idea. Nothing but a bunch of whinny little bitches crying about how much prestige they or their corps / alliances should have because they are CSM members.
CCP, for the love of ISK.... Stop this Drama Queeen nonsense and just develope your own game improvement ideas. To join Heimatar Military Industries-á visit website or conatct Bluddwolf in-gamewww.hmi.guildlaunch.com |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
188
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:10:00 -
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I have read over the mail posted in the first post a few times,and also read over the replies real fast.
Normally i would never post in any subject regarding CSM or its members since quite frankly i dont care one bit about CSM,but i decided to speak up since im actually starting to feel a bit sorry for Issler. Now also please keep in mind that i dont know anything about Issler or his/her alliance or corp so i can only speak on what i see in this thread.
In one of Isslers posts he said that the mail was ment as a reply to people who tought that he could use his influence on the CSM to get an end to the war if i understood it correctly. Its hard to say weather or not this is true since there is no way to know what other alliance mails have been sent before this,or what had been going on in their forums or alliance chat.
I will also admit that im not a native english speaker which will ofc also make it more likely that i completely misread something.
But here is what i can imagion happend; *bunch of corp and alliance members are whining about the alliance beeing under constant war" "several convos and mails comes out begging for Issler to try and use CSM or contact CCP to get an end to the war abusing his position in CSM" "Issler finally gets enough of the constant spam and sends out a very frustrated alliance mail"
The mail is very..messy i will admit but again,if the above is anywhere close to what happend i can see why it was rushed the way it was. Its hard enough being a CEO or an alliance leader,and then finding your self on the CSM as well causes even more emotional stress. And i also highly doubt it would have been written in such a messy way if it was intended,or even suspected that it would get public. But more or less what it is saying is that no,CSM wont help since the alliance is being attacked by people who are IN the CSM thus its pointless to try and push him into trying to make something happen with the war using his CSM role. Atleast thats the way i read it after reading Issler's comment and reading trough it again.
Now for the negative comments about CCP and CSM.. In my personal opinion a CSM member is allowed to feel whatever they want to about both parties. I mean..isent one of the points of being on the CSM that you can help cause changes and prevent CCP from doing something that the majorety of the player base wouldent appricate/agree with? Thus people who has nothing against what CCP is doing/planning should not see the need,or wish to be on CSM (exept for the "fame" which sadly is enough to make several people try to run i guess). The same goes for other CSM members and their alliances/corporations/accosiates. As long as a CSM member treats the other CSM members with respect during meetings and in public discussions there is nothing that says they cant try to blow eachother up on a daily basis. The tricky part is to remember this and not let your emotions take over when you have to be constructive.
The rest of the mail honestly just seems to be trying to give the members something to work towards,give them the oppertunety to help change things without having to rely on him being a CSM member. And also to try and create a short morale boost. Which again could make sense if the war is indeed this harsh on them that they want someone to abuse their power to get an end to it.
So again..i can have misunderstood something due to the language barrier,and i also dont know any backstory to all of this. But it seems a bit silly that so many people are angry at this person for a bad mail that was most likely written while under a lot of stress and pressure without even considering that they dont have all the information.
But then again i might just be to nice and naive and this is a behavior that is normal and occurs on a regular basis,but i do hope thats not the case. I guess what im saying is...even if the majorety of the forum warriors cant wait for an oppertunety to bash on someone is it possible that 8 pages filled with mocking and angry posts is a bit overkill unless people have all the facts behind the mail?
Sorry for such a long post...I wanted to try and explain my view points as well as possible to avoid any misunderstandings
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
784
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:13:00 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:But then again i might just be to nice and naive and this is a behavior that is normal and occurs on a regular basis,but i do hope thats not the case. Hope is the first step on the road to Disappointment. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
266
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:26:00 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:In one of Isslers posts he said that the mail was ment as a reply to people who tought that he could use his influence on the CSM to get an end to the war if i understood it correctly. Its hard to say weather or not this is true since there is no way to know what other alliance mails have been sent before this,or what had been going on in their forums or alliance chat.
I will also admit that im not a native english speaker which will ofc also make it more likely that i completely misread something.
But here is what i can imagion happend; *bunch of corp and alliance members are whining about the alliance beeing under constant war" "several convos and mails comes out begging for Issler to try and use CSM or contact CCP to get an end to the war abusing his position in CSM" "Issler finally gets enough of the constant spam and sends out a very frustrated alliance mail"
That'd almost make sense had it not been followed up by a tantrum about how the game is "beyond broken" because people aren't 100% safe to do whatever they want. As she mentioned in the evemail herself, this flies completely in the face of what CCP has publicly wanted for the game.
On one hand, it's important for the CSM to have a diverse view of things, a CSM that plays various parts of the game, etc. That said, it's a valid question to ask how useful the opinion of someone who is fundamentally opposed to CCP's vision of the game overall, though. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
785
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:30:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:That'd almost make sense had it not been followed up by a tantrum about how the game is "beyond broken" because people aren't 100% safe to do whatever they want. As she mentioned in the evemail herself, this flies completely in the face of what CCP has publicly wanted for the game.
On one hand, it's important for the CSM to have a diverse view of things, a CSM that plays various parts of the game, etc. That said, it's a valid question to ask how useful the opinion of someone who is fundamentally opposed to CCP's vision of the game overall, though. Not 100% safe in lowsec, where capital and supercapital fleets roam? NO WAY ~~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
cerbus
Caldari Prime Pony Club
59
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:40:00 -
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Myxx wrote:Before.. I was kind of indifferent to issler with his/her initial fuckup with calling out mittens during mittanigate. I was willing to forgive that because, well, **** happens. Please don't make me think of you as poorly as Darius III or Ahnk.
Ahnk was misunderstood. :| |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
881
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:45:00 -
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Hey, if you don't like Issler being on the CSM, y'all are under no obligation to continue playing the game. Mane 614
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:58:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Hey, if you don't like Issler being on the CSM, y'all are under no obligation to continue playing the game.
I don't care about Issler on the CSM, I just find it funny that she'd show her hand about what she wants the game to be so early on in this term. If her opinions weren't already going to be marginalized, they sure as hell will be now, and for good reason. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
785
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Posted - 2012.05.19 05:03:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Hey, if you don't like Issler being on the CSM, y'all are under no obligation to continue playing the game. I don't care about Issler on the CSM, I just find it funny that she'd show her hand about what she wants the game to be so early on in this term. If her opinions weren't already going to be marginalized, they sure as hell will be now, and for good reason. Oh well, nothing shows someone's true nature like X-large guns. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ezekiel DeSangre
39
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Posted - 2012.05.19 08:14:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I seem to remember this story about throwing the first stone...
Amen brother!
Meh.. |
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Amarr Niam
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.19 08:46:00 -
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I myself find it odd that goons not only got an alliance email but also are the ones bashing Issler to no end about it. It almost smells like a goon hate campaign to turn him/her into 'the great evil of EvE'. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
787
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Posted - 2012.05.19 08:50:00 -
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Amarr Niam wrote:I myself find it odd that goons not only got an alliance email but also are the ones bashing Issler to no end about it. It almost smells like a goon hate campaign to turn him/her into 'the great evil of EvE'. Well odd that we have spies in a highsec corp? Yeah, it's almost like we did some work or maybe just read eveskunk or whatever it comes from. But you see, Goons are all the spais.
That and there's no way Issler can be the great evill of EVE. We're still here, so it ain't happening unless we push our own button first. Or forget to pay the sov bills. Or kick our sov holding corp, but that's unlikely ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
529
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Posted - 2012.05.19 09:13:00 -
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Akiyo XI wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Basically we are at war with the goons and the point no one is coming to help us. We have to stand on our own.
are you not an influential member of the CSM? apparently many residents of hisec agree with your cause Call and they will listen you could finally become the catalyst of this war that hisec oh so desperately wants.
If you believe that I have a feeling you'll be massively disappointed. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
489
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Posted - 2012.05.19 09:35:00 -
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Someone more significant (for whatever reasons) than yourself...and all of the vanity corporations and alliances won't change that, sadly. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
489
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Posted - 2012.05.19 09:41:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: But the fact is, the population of high sec that feels that they are the unfair targets of a certain group of players must rise to face the challenge.
I don't feel this way at all. Don't you dare speak for me, you uppity mission-monkey. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
257
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Posted - 2012.05.19 09:41:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: So feel free to take it any way you want. But the fact is, the population of high sec that feels that they are the unfair targets of a certain group of players must rise to face the challenge. There is no help coming. We face this challenge alone.
That's the problem with these types of idea's of wich the forums are filled with at the moment.Once your pos/freighter/hulk or whataver get's shot it is 'US/WE' and something needs to be done NOW , but before that happends you don't take the US/WE standpoint and just go on doing your own lill thing in your own game.
Take the miners for example.Usually mining is done as a solo thing in eve.Nothing social about it besides the few who hang on TS with their corpmates.They are not the interactive type , hell for a lot it doesnt even feel like an MMORPG.That in itself is not a bad thing it is how one likes to play so sure why not.But then when hulkageddon starts and they loose a hulk they suddenly become the social types throwing threads left and right on the forum how their 'brothers' out there should all band together and go on a strike or invade some goon nullsec turf.If you check their posting behaviour you'll notice for a lot it is even their first eve-o post after playing eve for years.Now there's some BIG irony in there.
Just like in rl in bad times only count on yourself and those right next to you. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.05.19 11:14:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:
I don't feel this way at all. Don't you dare speak for me, you uppity mission-monkey.
So so so glad my 4 accounts are now turning themselves off into darkness one by one.
The above quoted high point of intellectualism is just one example of the crap that spews out of the brains of those that wish to control a fictional Rumpus Room that this terribad game has become.
I'd much rather observe the corpse from a distance later on anyway. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Yukiyo
Blue Nine Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.05.19 11:37:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:A call to action for my alliance to lift spirits during hard times MADE way out of context.
Read anything you want in it, but to make it more than that is folly.
Last comment I have to make about it.
Issler
Fixed your post for you, and highlighted the problem as you seem to need help with this. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
494
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Posted - 2012.05.19 11:44:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:
I don't feel this way at all. Don't you dare speak for me, you uppity mission-monkey.
So so so glad my 4 accounts are now turning themselves off into darkness one by one. The above quoted high point of intellectualism is just one example of the crap that spews out of the brains of those that wish to control a fictional Rumpus Room that this terribad game has become. I'd much rather observe the corpse from a distance later on anyway.
U mad, alt-bro? |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.05.19 11:57:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
I'd much rather observe the corpse from a distance later on anyway.
U mad, alt-bro?
^^
And it releases the first burst of putrescent gas........ Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3834
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Posted - 2012.05.19 12:22:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Priceless - Goon tears about someone else's tears. On the Irony.
Stop crying and play the game. CSM is a joke, has been a joke and will always be a joke as long as it is a popularity contest instead of real respentation by each and every "Group" of players in the game.
3 PvP CSM Memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null) 3 PvE CSM memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null) 3 Industral CSM members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null) 3 Miner CSM Members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
Each voted in by players in EVE.
This is the only way to make the CSM even close to worth it.
Oh I see, you want to make sure that Goons hold every CSM seat instead of just 1-2. OK. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
97
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Posted - 2012.05.19 12:33:00 -
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I'm confused. Since when did a thread pointing someone's mental retardation become a tears thread?
You guys are smokin some serious ****... |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.05.19 12:39:00 -
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Amarr Niam wrote:IIt almost smells like a goon hate campaign to turn him/her into 'the great evil of EvE'.
It's just the beginnings of the Death Wails before the Collapse.
It happens to all dynamic systems, both mechanical and social. Ususally at the cusp of change. See more about Prigogenic Levels of Complexity (thanks for that 20 years ago Bruce Sterling).
Time passes. Goons will pass. EVE will eventually pass too. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
186
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Posted - 2012.05.19 12:43:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Issler Dainze recently sent this missive to her alliance: Quote: They Cannot Win!! From: Issler Dainze Sent: 2012.05.17 06:57 To: The Honda Accord,
So coward blimp ego mittens hired similar coward to destroy our POSs in Illamur. To give you an idea of how screwed up this is in the context of Eve, the allinace hired was Pandemic Legion, what is where the head of the CSM lives, so we are littlerally being attacked by the CSM. Basically Eve is beyond broken. CCP is actually totally supportive of goons and ganking, they think of it as player content. They encourage and support hulkagedon! They actually laugh about miner tears. Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year.
So what does BEEP become during the occupation? First, we hunt these bastards! They don't take us seriously! We have ships, guns and motivation. Goons in high sec are a joke! We make that clear to them.
We help drive the tide to take Eve back.
More about that soon, but players like us are the majority and we are fed up!! Let's take out game back!! Time for the bullies to have some of that sand that always like to talk about to be kicked in their face!
So let me know what you think, where is the future for us?
Issler
In this eve-mail, we can see Issler - a CSM member, who is supposed to work with the CSM to improve the game for everyone - trying to trash the CSM in a transparent ploy to attempt to cover up her massive failures as an alliance leader. These destroys POS were in lowsec, where as even even a three-week old newbie who accidentally autopiloted through rancer knows, can be shot at by anyone. Lowsec being an area of "low security" is, as you might guess, a fundamental part of the game. Even the most vile highsec miner bleeting to have suicide ganking removed from the game does not dare challenge that there are places in EVE where you can shoot each other: he just merely wants to be immune in highsec. Now, as anyone knows, if you go into lowsec, you risk getting blown up. Issler foolishly wasted her corporation's assets by placing them in lowsec, where her alliance was too weak to defend them. When - naturally - they got blown up, Issler could have owned up to her hideous mistake. Or not. But that would merely be a reason to snicker at her alliance some more, rather than a thread. Instead, Issler chose to continue her habit of self-aggrandizement at the expense of the CSM (repeatedly demonstrated despite the public remonstrations of the rest of the CSM). She chose to paint her complete failure as an alliance leader not as a personal failure flowing from her many flaws, but instead claiming that her alliance had suffered losses because it had "littlerally [sic] be[en] attacked by the CSM". Had it? Well, let's ask Hans Jagerblitzen, or Two Step, or any of the fine CSM members who had no connection whatsoever to the CSM. One might ask if Issler herself had somehow attacked her own alliance - though one can make that case given her actions. Claiming that her alliance was "littlerally " attacked by the CSM claims the CSM is not a body representing EVE, but instead a faction within eve. One that Issler is expected to support and contribute to, but by all accounts has contributed less to than even Darius III. Do the right thing, Issler: Resign. If you are incapable of comprehending who the CSM even is - and that they are not Pandemic Legion - then you ought not be on it.
My god you Goons are crybabies.
You can't tolerate anyone complaining about you ever you worthless thin-skinned cowards.
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2012.05.19 12:47:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: But the fact is, the population of high sec that feels that they are the unfair targets of a certain group of players must rise to face the challenge. I don't feel this way at all. Don't you dare speak for me, you uppity mission-monkey.
Does that mean you want your Cyno blankie taken away, you pathetic coward?
You know, the Blankie that lets a tard sit with a Titan all alone for a whole week in a system with an incredibly fail fit and still only barely get killed cause all he has to do is scream "CYNO! CYNO!" and 500 capitals drop from the sky to save him?
Oh, and let's not forget the passive income from moon-goo. |
White Tree
the boltzmann experience Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
809
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Posted - 2012.05.19 12:52:00 -
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Nice work, Issler. Never don't not be crazy. Former member of CSM6, Champion of the Gallente Master Race. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.05.19 12:52:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: But the fact is, the population of high sec that feels that they are the unfair targets of a certain group of players must rise to face the challenge. I don't feel this way at all. Don't you dare speak for me, you uppity mission-monkey. Does that mean you want your Cyno blankie taken away, you pathetic coward? You know, the Blankie that lets a tard sit with a Titan all alone for a whole week in a system with an incredibly fail fit and still only barely get killed cause all he has to do is scream "CYNO! CYNO!" and 500 capitals drop from the sky to save him? Oh, and let's not forget the passive income from moon-goo.
Too bad NPC-alt voices don't count. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2012.05.19 12:57:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: But the fact is, the population of high sec that feels that they are the unfair targets of a certain group of players must rise to face the challenge. I don't feel this way at all. Don't you dare speak for me, you uppity mission-monkey. Does that mean you want your Cyno blankie taken away, you pathetic coward? You know, the Blankie that lets a tard sit with a Titan all alone for a whole week in a system with an incredibly fail fit and still only barely get killed cause all he has to do is scream "CYNO! CYNO!" and 500 capitals drop from the sky to save him? Oh, and let's not forget the passive income from moon-goo. Too bad NPC-alt voices don't count.
Too bad you don't get to decide that.
Goon coward. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.05.19 12:58:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:
Too bad NPC-alt voices don't count.
But the votes from their SIX Mains do. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
271
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Posted - 2012.05.19 13:02:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Does that mean you want your Cyno blankie taken away, you pathetic coward?
You know, the Blankie that lets a tard sit with a Titan all alone for a whole week in a system with an incredibly fail fit and still only barely get killed cause all he has to do is scream "CYNO! CYNO!" and 500 capitals drop from the sky to save him?
Oh, and let's not forget the passive income from moon-goo.
Is this an actual post or is it a "game mechanics I know nothing about" Mad Libs? |
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