For days now a lot of people asked some valid questions.

After removing a lof of blue posts CCP decided it's better to remain in silent instead of answering the questions asked.
This isn't the lines of communication promised by CCP.
How far do thing have to get out of hand before we get exactly that what was promised in the passt?
Howmany forum bans down the line will be sufficient to douse the flame of indignation sets off a bigger blaze?

It's absurd to think that everything will just go away by just ignoring it. I for one will not ignore it amd I hope to see more people get vocal about this.
Screegs who was quit forward in his replies, up to a point that we could see a side which wasn't really in line with CCP, then his posts got deleted for the biggest part.
Is this the kind of communication we bargained for?

Is the community just going to do the sit down and accept it again thing as they do for most of the time?
Or are people slowly getting aware that the point of acceptance has been crossed and we, as paying customers, insist on abiding of the promises made by CCP in the passt as something they have to uphold.

Let the roar for communication slowly grow in volume untill it's so loud even the deaf can hear it.

Cool story bro

Cool story bro

Please stay on topic without trolling, flaming etc.

Only way to get answers is to stay on topic without derailing it into yet another flame war.

Cool story bro

Cool story bro

Here's another one "bro".

The way you guys (2?) acted these past few days, your highly constructive interaction with the playerbase, the removal and not owning up to your own trolling was the reason why i unsubbed.
I couldnt care less for any shennanigans and bad booboo play going on in the game. I do have problems with selfentiteled smartasses who think they are better then anyone else. Put such people in a position of power and it's becomes very very hard trying to defend their actions or plea to reason when **** hits the fan.

My subs dont matter the slightest i know so keep up the good work "Bro".

What type of ******** answer is that to own customers?

In light of that and the fact that they are making a new thread pretty much every day since to continue spamming, I reckon that's a pretty mild response.

Responce doesn't equal answer.
And I personally want answers, not just responces.

Ok, let me lay this **** out for you guys. You're not going to get a personal answer to all of the special snowflake threads because your questions have all already been answered elsewhere. This isn't whinybabby.com, for all your whining needs, it's a forum to talk about a tournament, and tournaments have rules and consequences. But I am a nice guy, and will answer your stuff, because as a member of Test I am accustomed to dealing with the mentally challenged.

1. Any actions you take have to be based on all of the evidence THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TOO. If someone could be 100% sure about anything they'd understand all the mysteries of the universe. CCP looked at all of they evidence that they had access to (more than anyone outside of the outbreak and hydra teams btw) and saw that EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE SHOWED THEM PRACTICING AS A SINGLE TEAM. Literally the only piece of counter evidence is the word of Hydra and Outbreak members, which would obviously be that they are not a single team. I can think of no way in which 2 teams could have looked more like a singular team to any outsider observer than Hydra and Outbreak, which is shocking especially because they knew that the role was designed specifically to prevent what they did last year. Nobody denies that the unanswered emails were an oversight, but not getting an answer from the police about how close you can come to breaking a law doesn't really count for **** when you get arrested for breaking it.

2. If a judge declares a match to be bullshit, he's doing it based on all the information he has access to. If teams have a secret plan to not shoot for the first 5 minutes so they can catch their enemy by surprise, then they are ******* dumb and will have earned it. Cases that are more unclear are things like 12 v 12 T1 haulers, when the match doesn't matter or 1 team is already out. In those cases there is no competition occurring anyway as the outcome is already sealed, but don't be a **** and waste a bunch of time with boring congas. Basically don't be an ass like Wild Boars and CO2 last year.

3. The rules are clear about alliance membership requirements. Exceptions require extra work, and are a privilege because if you dropped to an NPC corp, in the end it's your fuckup.

4. That was a complete troll question.

People are really trying to bite of CCP's **** on this one for **** when it is plainly obvious to see that Hydra and Outbreak were either cheating, or massively incompetent and detached with worldly reason and caution beyond all imagination to have done what they did. After the patriots got caught filming other teams, I'm sure they didn't go around filming home movies inside of professional football stadiums, you know, just because they thought their kids looked good in the stadium atmosphere.

Also, your post's combination of flowery language and phrasing combine with blatant spelling, grammar, and language errors makes it a pretty cool story bro. I'd love to see who's actually behind that NPC alt.

For days now a lot of people asked some valid questions.

After removing a lof of blue posts CCP decided it's better to re... blah blah blah

Sadly enough the questions were never answered.

Actions were taken based upon assumptions. Nowhere there was proof they were in cahoots with eachother in the upcomming tournament.
But based on what happened last year it was subsequentially easier to just assume they were up to no good.
Verification wasn't needed.
Even though they broke no rules last year we have to assume they will this year?
They played within the rules set at AT9, who then can say they will break the new rules for ATX?

Also the question of mine in clarification towards the following

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Penalties

A player found breaking any rules can be penalized to various degrees, depending on the severity of the offence. All penalties are incurred at the tournament organizer's discretion. Decisions are final. Penalties may be levied against a player or team and may include but are not limited to:
GÇóPoints deduction
GÇóReducing the offending ship(s) shield / armor / hull / capacitor to 50%
GÇóRemoval from the fightBan from competing for one or more matches.
GÇóBan from competing for the remainder of the tournament, and/or any future tournaments.
GÇóFor Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.


Bolded and underlined the section which made me curious.

Does this imply that the referee can read minds and listen in on voicecomms to hear / read what the teams are thinking / planning and as such can judge on all relevant information?
Because it seems a bit off, that it boils down to how the referee feels at that moment.

The whole "at the referee's discretion, at the GM's discretion" etc seems to pop up a lot, but that makes it pretty vague in my humble opinion.

Personal guttfeelings shouldn't be the point to judge on because we all know that guttfeeling aren't 100% accurate.
I would like to see a bit more elaboration on that to ensure the referees "believes" aren't the only thing which can result in declaring a match null or void.

Simple question, no answer.

Then this question by Digital Solaris:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114542&find=unread

no reply.

and look another one by Suleiman Shouaa:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113853&find=unread

no reply.

we can continue, but this gives a slight indication to what I am hinting.

What we do get is

Wrong. Actions were taken against people who acted in against the rules. Their self admitted testimony of what happened formed a strong case on it's own to ban them. Their pathetic attempts to wringle out of responsibility did nothing to weaken the case against them. This wasn't a case where no one knew what was allowed and innocent people were harmed as a result. The prime suspects seemed to be the ones having trouble getting the rule.

Putting it another way. There are complaints, that two teachers, Henry & Ollie are fondling kids at a school, but the existing rules don't directly forbid what they're doing. To fix the issue a new rule is made to forbid fondling kids and all teachers are notified and told the rule will be strictly monitored. H&O ask if it's still ok to touch students at all and the principle says it's ok, but reminds them to refrain from overdoing things. Most teachers don't really pay special attention to this, since it has no impact on their activities. It's just common sense.

A few days later H&O are found alone in a locked closet with a confused little 7 year old Suzy. Their hands were busy inside the little girl's shirt at the time of discovery. H&O proceed to complain about how obscure the rule is and come up with excuses about what they did wasn't actually molesting. They also defend by saying, that they asked for permission and the principle said it was ok to do what they did. This is the case before CCP. The only reasonable way to deal with it is to take action against H&O and treat their justifications as the totally worthless excuses they are.