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Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.12.02 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Oosel myslef in an apoc and 2 fellow corpers in ravens decided to dabble in lvl4 missions and were shocked as to the numbers of the last spawn in the unauthorised military khanid presence mission...had that mission been in dead space all 3 of us would have been spanked instead of just good old me.....even with high skills in cap and mechanics i was shredded farly quickly and forgeting about defender missile stopping you from warping which eventually was what got me......one thing that does need to be sorted is that when whoever takes on the missions warps out and docks to repair as soon as he does the npc's all dissapear leaving the rest to freely pick up the cans between each wave.....i wouldnt say lvl4 missions are easy at all in amarr laser ships but when teamed with ravens you have better odds and although i did lose the apoc i have to say it was a challenge and fun
It's not really a challenge. Just spawning massive amount of hostile ships does not a challenge make. It's just a poor excuse for not beeing able to make a better system. I suggest one earlier in this post that I think is a much better way of doing it than the current "just spawn loads of ships" mentality.
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Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.12.02 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Oosel myslef in an apoc and 2 fellow corpers in ravens decided to dabble in lvl4 missions and were shocked as to the numbers of the last spawn in the unauthorised military khanid presence mission...had that mission been in dead space all 3 of us would have been spanked instead of just good old me.....even with high skills in cap and mechanics i was shredded farly quickly and forgeting about defender missile stopping you from warping which eventually was what got me......one thing that does need to be sorted is that when whoever takes on the missions warps out and docks to repair as soon as he does the npc's all dissapear leaving the rest to freely pick up the cans between each wave.....i wouldnt say lvl4 missions are easy at all in amarr laser ships but when teamed with ravens you have better odds and although i did lose the apoc i have to say it was a challenge and fun
It's not really a challenge. Just spawning massive amount of hostile ships does not a challenge make. It's just a poor excuse for not beeing able to make a better system. I suggest one earlier in this post that I think is a much better way of doing it than the current "just spawn loads of ships" mentality.
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MatStar
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Posted - 2004.12.02 17:56:00 -
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so blaster ships are totally gimped for missions then?
mite aswell not bother gettin me deimos now...
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MatStar
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Posted - 2004.12.02 17:56:00 -
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so blaster ships are totally gimped for missions then?
mite aswell not bother gettin me deimos now...
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Sticky Vicky
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Posted - 2004.12.02 18:56:00 -
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Time to face facts, Eve is the king of pvp, scamming and griefing. If you want quality PvE then maybe WoW or EQ2 would be the better option |
Sticky Vicky
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Posted - 2004.12.02 18:56:00 -
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Time to face facts, Eve is the king of pvp, scamming and griefing. If you want quality PvE then maybe WoW or EQ2 would be the better option |
MatStar
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Posted - 2004.12.02 20:01:00 -
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hum...maybe ccp should hire the guy that did the AI for the soldiers in the original halflife, though then u'd get ravens hiding behind roids and chucking grenades at you and tempests using roids as cover and firing at you and ducking back behind the roid
though maybe i should just deactiveate my account and be done with it
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MatStar
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Posted - 2004.12.02 20:01:00 -
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hum...maybe ccp should hire the guy that did the AI for the soldiers in the original halflife, though then u'd get ravens hiding behind roids and chucking grenades at you and tempests using roids as cover and firing at you and ducking back behind the roid
though maybe i should just deactiveate my account and be done with it
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Camar
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Posted - 2004.12.02 20:55:00 -
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Quote: The sansha/amarr navy missions are a bit tougher in a raven, but yeah, the others are surprisingly easy. As long as you stay awake, you should be okay.
Just did this one in a tempest, the amarr apoc thought it was a good idea to be at 4km distance and use webber...(and still miss most of the time)
Thanks to cruise-missiles the omega/delta class ships were destroyed easily. 1200's kept missing the cruisers below 40km though, but those who stayed at 50km+ were hit.
Just needed to warp out and back again a few times and it wasn't any problem at all. But if (when) missiles won't hit those pesky ceptors and you face 5-8 of them you'll be in deep trouble...
In a Raven it's too easy, but if you need to trust your guns it takes a LONG time to finish the spawns. (21 sec rof on a cruise-launcher...)
Bla bla bla bla...in the end...I think I earn more lp's and isk in the long run doing missions for a good quality lvl 3 agent instead...
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Camar
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Posted - 2004.12.02 20:55:00 -
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Quote: The sansha/amarr navy missions are a bit tougher in a raven, but yeah, the others are surprisingly easy. As long as you stay awake, you should be okay.
Just did this one in a tempest, the amarr apoc thought it was a good idea to be at 4km distance and use webber...(and still miss most of the time)
Thanks to cruise-missiles the omega/delta class ships were destroyed easily. 1200's kept missing the cruisers below 40km though, but those who stayed at 50km+ were hit.
Just needed to warp out and back again a few times and it wasn't any problem at all. But if (when) missiles won't hit those pesky ceptors and you face 5-8 of them you'll be in deep trouble...
In a Raven it's too easy, but if you need to trust your guns it takes a LONG time to finish the spawns. (21 sec rof on a cruise-launcher...)
Bla bla bla bla...in the end...I think I earn more lp's and isk in the long run doing missions for a good quality lvl 3 agent instead...
...and with the light all life vanished... |
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G8torSkull
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Posted - 2004.12.02 21:23:00 -
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well that unauthorized military khanid spawn i did by myself solo in a armor tanked raven, np there, only had to go back to station to get more misisles as i used a total of 1200 cruise missiles to complete it. loot collected all crap and totalled about 3500m3.
the lvl 4 damsel misison was so far screwed it wasnt funny as i warped to a gang member who misison it was and landed smak in the middle of all the bastages, my raven died in less than 20 seconds, but my corp mate was 200km away. (still waiting on that petition to be answered)
as it is they seem to be messing the whole game up. either that or finaly making it where you have to actually be in a mass group now which aint really bad but just annoying for some people. but imo they seem to be catering the game and the style of play to the mega corps and huge alliances.
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G8torSkull
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Posted - 2004.12.02 21:23:00 -
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well that unauthorized military khanid spawn i did by myself solo in a armor tanked raven, np there, only had to go back to station to get more misisles as i used a total of 1200 cruise missiles to complete it. loot collected all crap and totalled about 3500m3.
the lvl 4 damsel misison was so far screwed it wasnt funny as i warped to a gang member who misison it was and landed smak in the middle of all the bastages, my raven died in less than 20 seconds, but my corp mate was 200km away. (still waiting on that petition to be answered)
as it is they seem to be messing the whole game up. either that or finaly making it where you have to actually be in a mass group now which aint really bad but just annoying for some people. but imo they seem to be catering the game and the style of play to the mega corps and huge alliances.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.12.02 21:48:00 -
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Zrakor, then disable NPCs using MWD in deadspace.
Because that's just dumb that they can use it and we can't. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.12.02 21:48:00 -
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Zrakor, then disable NPCs using MWD in deadspace.
Because that's just dumb that they can use it and we can't. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . ) |
The Mariachi
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Posted - 2004.12.02 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki Zrakor, then disable NPCs using MWD in deadspace.
Because that's just dumb that they can use it and we can't.
Before we all get too worked up and cancel our accounts, methinks we will be seeing some kind of deadspace modules shortly. Remember, deadspace technology is not yet available to all...
Mar
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The Mariachi
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Posted - 2004.12.02 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki Zrakor, then disable NPCs using MWD in deadspace.
Because that's just dumb that they can use it and we can't.
Before we all get too worked up and cancel our accounts, methinks we will be seeing some kind of deadspace modules shortly. Remember, deadspace technology is not yet available to all...
Mar
A person's signature often reveals one's character, and sometimes one's name |
PSEWAR
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Posted - 2004.12.02 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: PSEWAR on 02/12/2004 22:42:35 Hmm that is one of the worst ideas I heard of. Sorry to say that. Traveling in EVE is very slow, to nucg to slow in my opinion. You Devs ever traveled around? And now also the Missiones should get wasted as in the Deadspace it's not possible to use MWD's? Don't come along with there would be new modules that will allow you to use a MWD there, as that is just a waste of programming time in my opinion. Use it to programm something like Corp Taxes which should be ingame since Beta, but they still does not work. Don't get me wrong I like the Exodus Patch, but I see no point to make that thing even slower then it already is. Have you ever had to fly to a cargo can 150km away with a Battleship but without MWD? It needs more then then I need for a shower! I want to play the game, not sitting stupid on my seat and wait half a hour until I arrive at the destination. Please keep that in Mind Devs.
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PSEWAR
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Posted - 2004.12.02 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: PSEWAR on 02/12/2004 22:42:35 Hmm that is one of the worst ideas I heard of. Sorry to say that. Traveling in EVE is very slow, to nucg to slow in my opinion. You Devs ever traveled around? And now also the Missiones should get wasted as in the Deadspace it's not possible to use MWD's? Don't come along with there would be new modules that will allow you to use a MWD there, as that is just a waste of programming time in my opinion. Use it to programm something like Corp Taxes which should be ingame since Beta, but they still does not work. Don't get me wrong I like the Exodus Patch, but I see no point to make that thing even slower then it already is. Have you ever had to fly to a cargo can 150km away with a Battleship but without MWD? It needs more then then I need for a shower! I want to play the game, not sitting stupid on my seat and wait half a hour until I arrive at the destination. Please keep that in Mind Devs.
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Olivin
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Posted - 2004.12.02 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette Instead of increasing the intelligence of AI (actually even putting I into AI) devs are just increasing numbers of npcs. Which imho is pretty bad... I'm sure devs want to make AI better. But why don't they? Increased server CPU use would kill the server? Don't have enough time to implement it? Don't have competent people who can actually make a decent AI?
What do you call a decent AI? No game have decent AI and won't have for very long time, More importantly - Spawn and AI are two exclusive things, unless AI as a complex application (Agent+Rules applied to the growing Knowledge base) implemented into a core of spawn, basically generating "smarter" rats after each battle. In theory it will lead to the very "smart" rats which will be almost impossible to kill. Oh, nice. Such rats can even have their own names and can be treated as IPC. Olivin
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Olivin
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Posted - 2004.12.02 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette Instead of increasing the intelligence of AI (actually even putting I into AI) devs are just increasing numbers of npcs. Which imho is pretty bad... I'm sure devs want to make AI better. But why don't they? Increased server CPU use would kill the server? Don't have enough time to implement it? Don't have competent people who can actually make a decent AI?
What do you call a decent AI? No game have decent AI and won't have for very long time, More importantly - Spawn and AI are two exclusive things, unless AI as a complex application (Agent+Rules applied to the growing Knowledge base) implemented into a core of spawn, basically generating "smarter" rats after each battle. In theory it will lead to the very "smart" rats which will be almost impossible to kill. Oh, nice. Such rats can even have their own names and can be treated as IPC. Olivin
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.12.03 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zrakor Which is exactly why we will be using the deadspaces instead of the old system :).
Which is exactly why I'll be using my Cerberus... equiped with a 100mn AB, of course!
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.12.03 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zrakor Which is exactly why we will be using the deadspaces instead of the old system :).
Which is exactly why I'll be using my Cerberus... equiped with a 100mn AB, of course!
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Janos Audron
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Posted - 2004.12.03 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: Janos Audron on 03/12/2004 00:51:20 just a couple of comments :/ things like the khanid mission are still easy in a apoc if setup right :/ a raven definately does the missions faster and has less trouble, but as usual costs quite a bit more (or view it less profit) overall due to missile use.
haven't done the zor deadspace mission yet, as haven't come across it, but waiting for it still :P if atleast just to have a look and say "no thanks" :P
but people seem to be complaining about collecting loot in deadspace :/ ur willing to realise u may need help with the missions in killing the npc's :/ so y not just get another person there with sumthing with decent cargo (probe, indy) and use them with a speed setup to collect the loot :/
personally i have 2 accounts, use 1 in a apoc to do all the missions (half i still just have him with a mwd on for it), and 2nd account with iteron V with afterburners and nanofibers for deadspace loot collection. 7.5k cargo still doing 530m/s in deadspace, and 11+k cargo doing 830m/s out of deadspace :/
and like others have said, deadspace loot generally sucks, so easy enough to just have a probe or even sumthing like imicus/inquisitor go collect loot.... cs:source sos-s33k3r diaspora: s33k3r, hexxeh always do right. this will gratify some people, and astonish the rest.
Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! |
Janos Audron
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Posted - 2004.12.03 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: Janos Audron on 03/12/2004 00:51:20 just a couple of comments :/ things like the khanid mission are still easy in a apoc if setup right :/ a raven definately does the missions faster and has less trouble, but as usual costs quite a bit more (or view it less profit) overall due to missile use.
haven't done the zor deadspace mission yet, as haven't come across it, but waiting for it still :P if atleast just to have a look and say "no thanks" :P
but people seem to be complaining about collecting loot in deadspace :/ ur willing to realise u may need help with the missions in killing the npc's :/ so y not just get another person there with sumthing with decent cargo (probe, indy) and use them with a speed setup to collect the loot :/
personally i have 2 accounts, use 1 in a apoc to do all the missions (half i still just have him with a mwd on for it), and 2nd account with iteron V with afterburners and nanofibers for deadspace loot collection. 7.5k cargo still doing 530m/s in deadspace, and 11+k cargo doing 830m/s out of deadspace :/
and like others have said, deadspace loot generally sucks, so easy enough to just have a probe or even sumthing like imicus/inquisitor go collect loot.... cs:source sos-s33k3r diaspora: s33k3r, hexxeh always do right. this will gratify some people, and astonish the rest.
Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! |
G8torSkull
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Posted - 2004.12.03 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: G8torSkull on 03/12/2004 02:18:28
Originally by: Janos Audron Edited by: Janos Audron on 03/12/2004 00:51:20 just a couple of comments :/ things like the khanid mission are still easy in a apoc if setup right :/ a raven definately does the missions faster and has less trouble, but as usual costs quite a bit more (or view it less profit) overall due to missile use.
haven't done the zor deadspace mission yet, as haven't come across it, but waiting for it still :P if atleast just to have a look and say "no thanks" :P
but people seem to be complaining about collecting loot in deadspace :/ ur willing to realise u may need help with the missions in killing the npc's :/ so y not just get another person there with sumthing with decent cargo (probe, indy) and use them with a speed setup to collect the loot :/
personally i have 2 accounts, use 1 in a apoc to do all the missions (half i still just have him with a mwd on for it), and 2nd account with iteron V with afterburners and nanofibers for deadspace loot collection. 7.5k cargo still doing 530m/s in deadspace, and 11+k cargo doing 830m/s out of deadspace :/
and like others have said, deadspace loot generally sucks, so easy enough to just have a probe or even sumthing like imicus/inquisitor go collect loot....
the khanid misison is not fast in a raven. it took me close to 3 hours or even longer to do it solo
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G8torSkull
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Posted - 2004.12.03 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: G8torSkull on 03/12/2004 02:18:28
Originally by: Janos Audron Edited by: Janos Audron on 03/12/2004 00:51:20 just a couple of comments :/ things like the khanid mission are still easy in a apoc if setup right :/ a raven definately does the missions faster and has less trouble, but as usual costs quite a bit more (or view it less profit) overall due to missile use.
haven't done the zor deadspace mission yet, as haven't come across it, but waiting for it still :P if atleast just to have a look and say "no thanks" :P
but people seem to be complaining about collecting loot in deadspace :/ ur willing to realise u may need help with the missions in killing the npc's :/ so y not just get another person there with sumthing with decent cargo (probe, indy) and use them with a speed setup to collect the loot :/
personally i have 2 accounts, use 1 in a apoc to do all the missions (half i still just have him with a mwd on for it), and 2nd account with iteron V with afterburners and nanofibers for deadspace loot collection. 7.5k cargo still doing 530m/s in deadspace, and 11+k cargo doing 830m/s out of deadspace :/
and like others have said, deadspace loot generally sucks, so easy enough to just have a probe or even sumthing like imicus/inquisitor go collect loot....
the khanid misison is not fast in a raven. it took me close to 3 hours or even longer to do it solo
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marakolli
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Posted - 2004.12.03 04:28:00 -
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Ok what ships and setups you guys using to solo lvl 4 kill missions?
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marakolli
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Posted - 2004.12.03 04:28:00 -
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Ok what ships and setups you guys using to solo lvl 4 kill missions?
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Carpe Diem
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Posted - 2004.12.03 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: marakolli Ok what ships and setups you guys using to solo lvl 4 kill missions?
mkay.. @ first you need a tissue tech2,then...
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Carpe Diem
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Posted - 2004.12.03 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: marakolli Ok what ships and setups you guys using to solo lvl 4 kill missions?
mkay.. @ first you need a tissue tech2,then...
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