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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:25:00 -
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So, been playing for 3-4 years, I got my Maurader (Kronos) to lvl 4. Btw, my large hybird guns are only LVL 4.
Equiped with 4 electron with anti matter, range 2400.
This is what disturbes me.
CCP claims hybird have the worst of all ranges but, the best damage. OK!
Then why does my Hyperion with 425 type railguns hit in range with 1500 or more damage, while my LVL 4 Maurader, that has 100% damage with hybird with lvl 4 type guns, in range can best only 250 t0 350 , this is with btyw, a fleeting web and target painter 2 at lvl 5! With signature at 5 as well????
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:27:00 -
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Unfortunately hybrids have horrible tracking, so when you do get close up you effectively can't hit anything...
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:29:00 -
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Furthermore, I have a tracking CPU tech 2, aiding the already Tracking abiltiy of the Maurader! As well I should further clairfiy that this is only when hitting PVE battleships in range of my Hyperions 425 vs my Kronos hybirds electron! WTF man!
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: SkinSin Unfortunately hybrids have horrible tracking, so when you do get close up you effectively can't hit anything...
Umm Kronos a Tracking BS! Equiped with a tech 2 tracking CPU and and Tech 2 Target painter with sig raduis at lvl 5???
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:33:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion to Ships & Modules.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Axemaster
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:53:00 -
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Um, not to troll, but have you seriously been playing for 4 years? I find that really hard to believe. And as others said, it's the tracking.
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Judas Scammer
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:15:00 -
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Quote:
Equiped with 4 electron with anti matter, range 2400.
Is it tracking?
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Axemaster Um, not to troll, but have you seriously been playing for 4 years? I find that really hard to believe. And as others said, it's the tracking.
ok big mouth, Then if tracking is such a problem at range with lvl 4 Kronos, tech 2 TP, webber and tracking PC, at range against a BS, then why even have hybirds?????? Like I said my Hyperions 425 tech 1 do 1500 to 2000, the best numbers I get out of my Blasters are 250 Hmmmmm? Nice suggestions NOT!
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Judas Scammer
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Equiped with 4 electron with anti matter, range 2400.
Is it tracking?
NO, its not tracking when a PVE BS is webbed, and in range of my 4 electron blasters, with a tech 2 TP and tech 2 tracking CPU, Im getting 250 max damage WTF!, While my Hyperion gets 1500 to 2000 damage at range with 425s????
Like Ive been saying all along, CCP says Blasters give the most damage but lack distance. Fine but, Im at range and with a kronos HELLo!!!!!!!!!!! What Im lying!!!
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Judas Scammer
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zivoril
Originally by: Judas Scammer
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Equiped with 4 electron with anti matter, range 2400.
Is it tracking?
NO, its not tracking when a PVE BS is webbed, and in range of my 4 electron blasters, with a tech 2 TP and tech 2 tracking CPU, Im getting 250 max damage WTF!, While my Hyperion gets 1500 to 2000 damage at range with 425s????
Like Ive been saying all along, CCP says Blasters give the most damage but lack distance. Fine but, Im at range and with a kronos HELLo!!!!!!!!!!! What Im lying!!!
How far away are the rats? Have you really been playing 4 years or did you buy your account from ebay?
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:26:00 -
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No ones reading, my posts, yup I bought the account from ebay and am a lair! Thanks for the help!
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:32:00 -
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You'd save a lot of time if you just posted your full fit, and the range you're engaging the rats from.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:02:00 -
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What your saying does not make sense, and if you had been playing for 4 years you would have given us the information we need to make sense of the situation.
4x blasters on a kronos should do better damage inside blaster range. We kinda think you may be fighting in falloff on the blasters. In theory when in optimal range you should out dps a 425 fitted mega at its optimal range. Something is wonky, and it appears you might be way out of blaster range, or something horrible with your fit. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:06:00 -
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1st 425 railgun are hybrid weapon too 2nd you comparing the smallest blaster size with the highest railgun size 3rd its not the tracking its your skills that sux, if you have tracking proble with electron blaster + tracking bonus of the marauder VS a bebbed a BS you are doing it wrong 4th if you group you gun the damage output of 4 guns with a 100% bonus its the same of 8 guns
said that a few advice: 1 dont use blaster in pve 2 if you really have to use blaster use NEUTRONS their have a alot more range than electrons and alot more dps 3 train your skill up to T2 weapons so you will be obliged to train all the relevant skill which make the large weapons good (tracking skill anyone?)
PS: i dont believe you been playing for 3-4 years and if you did you should go back to fly frigs
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:11:00 -
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<shipType value="Kronos" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 3" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 3" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 3" type="Target Painter II" /> <hardware slot="low slot 5" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 2" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 6" type="Salvager I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 1" type="1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 2" type="Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 0" type="Magnetic Field Stabilizer II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 0" type="Cap Recharger II" /> <hardware slot="rig slot 0" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 1" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 5" type="Large YF-12a Smartbomb" /> <hardware slot="low slot 6" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="low slot 4" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 4" type="Small Tractor Beam I" /> <hardware slot="rig slot 1" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 0" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 2" type="Large Armor Repairer II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 1" type="Tracking Computer II" /> <hardware qty="6" slot="drone bay" type="Hobgoblin II" /> <hardware qty="4" slot="drone bay" type="Hammerhead II" /> </fitting
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kail Storm on 04/09/2010 18:55:51 You also arent taking into the account that the Blasters are shooting 2-3x as often as the rails are so you see huge numbers with the rails but in reality its taking 3x as long.
Also we are upset that a 4 year eve player uses T1 Non Meta Blasters in a Mission....4 Year olds should have enough to buy a Nice setup on a Kronos costing huge amounts, Also why use a Marauder without T2 Weps?
4 years you have no other racial types? Or Drone Skills?
-------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: 1600 RT on 04/09/2010 18:59:42
Originally by: Zivoril <shipType value="Kronos" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 3" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 3" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 3" type="Target Painter II" /> <hardware slot="low slot 5" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 2" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 6" type="Salvager I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 1" type="1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 2" type="Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 0" type="Magnetic Field Stabilizer II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 0" type="Cap Recharger II" /> <hardware slot="rig slot 0" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 1" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 5" type="Large YF-12a Smartbomb" /> <hardware slot="low slot 6" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="low slot 4" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 4" type="Small Tractor Beam I" /> <hardware slot="rig slot 1" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 0" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 2" type="Large Armor Repairer II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 1" type="Tracking Computer II" /> <hardware qty="6" slot="drone bay" type="Hobgoblin II" /> <hardware qty="4" slot="drone bay" type="Hammerhead II" /> </fitting
[Kronos, omg] Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Target Painter II Tracking Computer II Cap Recharger II
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Large YF-12a Smartbomb Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
oh really? and you wonder why you get poor results by that crap? please contract it to me so i can fit it for you properly
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 04/09/2010 19:04:59 Your fit is awful, your skills are awful, and volley damage and DPS are not the same thing.
In the future, aim for tech 2 equipment first, tech 2 ships second. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT Edited by: 1600 RT on 04/09/2010 18:59:42
Originally by: Zivoril <shipType value="Kronos" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 3" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 3" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 3" type="Target Painter II" /> <hardware slot="low slot 5" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 2" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 6" type="Salvager I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 1" type="1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 2" type="Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 0" type="Magnetic Field Stabilizer II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 0" type="Cap Recharger II" /> <hardware slot="rig slot 0" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 1" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 5" type="Large YF-12a Smartbomb" /> <hardware slot="low slot 6" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="low slot 4" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 4" type="Small Tractor Beam I" /> <hardware slot="rig slot 1" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" /> <hardware slot="hi slot 0" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" /> <hardware slot="low slot 2" type="Large Armor Repairer II" /> <hardware slot="med slot 1" type="Tracking Computer II" /> <hardware qty="6" slot="drone bay" type="Hobgoblin II" /> <hardware qty="4" slot="drone bay" type="Hammerhead II" /> </fitting
[Kronos, omg] Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Target Painter II Tracking Computer II Cap Recharger II
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Large YF-12a Smartbomb Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
oh really? and you wonder why you get poor results by that crap? please contract it to me so i can fit it for you properly
Why dont you give him some advice then rather than be a prick. Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:19:48 Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:19:07 Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:18:44 I dont have tech 2 guns trained but, my point is when I have a PVE BS in range of my Electrons with the webber and TP on Im getting 250 Damage, WTF! Mauraders say they 100% damaage and webber skills, then why in EVEs name does my Hyperion, with 425s at range get 1500 to 2000 damage same skill at 4???????????????????????
Btw, eve though I havent tech 2 hybird skills my set isnt that bad! So please educate me! Im PVEing not PVP!
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:19:48 Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:19:07 Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:18:44 I dont have tech 2 guns trained but, my point is when I have a PVE BS in range of my Electrons with the webber and TP on Im getting 250 Damage, WTF! Mauraders say they 100% damaage and webber skills, then why in EVEs name does my Hyperion, with 425s at range get 1500 to 2000 damage same skill at 4???????????????????????
Btw, eve though I havent tech 2 hybird skills my set isnt that bad! So please educate me! Im PVEing not PVP!
Well if your active tanking drop the 1600mm plate for starters. Fit bigger guns. 3 mag stabs as well.
For this kind of ship you really want tech 2 guns as a bare minimum, faction ammo isnt all that expensive either. Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:25:00 -
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I also find it very hard to believe you've been playing for 4 years and don't have T2 hybrid skills yet. But anyway, you really need an AB on your Kronos if you want to use it in PvE, since you'll need to close distance to your targets.
You're also confusing Alpha, or volley shot, with DPS. The dps of the blasters should be much higher than that of the rails.
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Riho
Gallente Magnificent Beavers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:27:00 -
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1st: why the F... are you using t1 blasters on a khronos... if u cant use t2 you use best name versions atleast (or better yet faction) 2nd: what ammo do you use on blasters and then on 425mm rails. use antimatter on both and tell me if the dmg is the same 3rd: will be added when first 2 are answered.
PS: my paladin with tachs as gotten 4+ k hits from 1 gun. so dunno whay u hit so low
18:00:24 Combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser II perfectly strikes Core Rear Admiral, wrecking for 4305.6 damage.
---------------------------------- Fighting for something
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:18:44 I dont have tech 2 guns trained but, my point is when I have a PVE BS in range of my Electrons with the webber and TP on Im getting 250 Damage, WTF! Mauraders say they 100% damaage and webber skills, then why in EVEs name does my Hyperion, with 425s at range get 1500 to 2000 damage same skill at 4???????????????????????
Btw, ebe though I havent tech 2 hybird skills my set isnt that bad! So please educate me!
Okay, first of all, that damage bonus isn't really a damage bonus. It's more like a fitting bonus. The Kronos only fits 4 guns. The 100% damage bonus makes them equate to 8 guns (like the Hyperion fits). The purpose of this is to free up high slots for tractor beams and salvagers.
Secondly, all else being equal, the volley damage of 425mm railguns IS higher than that of electron blasters. The blasters shoot faster and, all else being equal, this makes the blasters do more damage over time. Neutron blasters will have a higher volley damage than 425s.
Finally, your blasters are almost certainly missing more often than your railguns due to range, or tracking, or some combination of the two. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:29:00 -
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Yup 3-4 years, and if you will notice Im an Ammar, my ship list there is mind blowing, I switched to Galente a while ago.
My main point is, WTF is a Hyperion out doing a Kronos in damage (period)!
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:32:00 -
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Cap Merkin and surrendermonkey thanks for the responses!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zivoril My main point is, WTF is a Hyperion out doing a Kronos in damage (period)!
It doesn't. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:35:00 -
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A blaster kronos for missions? wat?
Why don't you stick the 425's on and then compare the stats?
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:35:00 -
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Since I have Target painter and sig radius to lvl 5 I thought that with a Kronos, tracking abiltiy, and webbers I could hit frigates at close range ( with large blasters at range 2400). I am wrong????????????????
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zivoril Yup 3-4 years, and if you will notice Im an Ammar, my ship list there is mind blowing, I switched to Galente a while ago.
My main point is, WTF is a Hyperion out doing a Kronos in damage (period)!
I just explained that to you. And, in point of actual fact, the two ship shave the exact same raw damage potential. With all 5s, and all else (implants, etc.) being equal, the will do the exact same amount of damage. The only difference between them, for raw damage, is an extra low slot on the Kronos, so if you don't understand what diminishing returns are, you can put 7 Mag stabs on it, while the Hyperion will only fit 6, resulting in the Kronos doing approximately 3 more DPS.
The hyperion has a 5% damage bonus per level and it fits 8 guns. The kronos has a 5% damage bonus per level, a 100% flat damage bonus, and it fits 4 guns. This means that if you put 8 guns that do 100 damage on the hyperion, it will do 1000 damage at level 5 (800 * 1.25). If you put 4 guns that do 100 damage on the Kronos, it will do... 1000 damage at level 5 (400 * 2 * 1.25). --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
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