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Mucous
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Posted - 2010.10.31 14:54:00 -
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Sorry probably been asked a million times, just can't find the answer.
How many times can a corp switch corps to evade a war declare. Seems to me there use to be a rule against, but I could be wishing or wrong.
Specifically I have a group of guys that if you look at their corp history they have left and rejoined the same corp every week since Aug. Thanks.
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triafrenum
The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.10.31 15:04:00 -
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Don't quote me on this but I am under the impression that the only time it is an exploit is when every member leaves the corp.
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2010.10.31 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: triafrenum Don't quote me on this but I am under the impression that the only time it is an exploit is when every member leaves the corp.
That was my understanding too. Individuals are free to leave a corp at any time and for whatever reason. The actionable action is to disband the corp in order to avoid a wardec. I think that has to be done repeatedly, too, in order to attract censure.
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lord Goa'uld
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Posted - 2010.10.31 18:25:00 -
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I personally use an alt...
the key is to let them see the alt at some point...
then fly this alt to rancer directly after downtime..
login alt when you are bored ( go see a movie or take a nap)
let them waste more isk on a locator agent...
and rememeber the best tears are grifer tears !
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merc 5000
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Posted - 2010.11.01 00:15:00 -
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the true answer is none as ccp dont give a rats ass how many times a person closes and opens a corp for it to be considered evading the dec.
what i did i wardecd x corp of 5 members all left within 48hrs started new corp so we decd thats same again they done this 12 times and after petition ccp said theyre is no rule stopping them leaving and setting up a new corp
thank you for reading merc 5000 signing off
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Juggalo Justinian
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Posted - 2010.11.03 18:49:00 -
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Its a broken mechanic in my opinion, why even have war declaration if said corp, can disband, than reassemble under a different name.. causing the corp who declared war too lose money... where as they have Zero loss... other than the name of their corp...
I propose you should, keep war-decs Active even if they disband their corp... each member that leaves said corp is still eligable for attack for the first week of the war.. after the initial 7 days, that person is no longer eligable for attack by the war-declaring corp..
my 2 isk
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Monte Shill
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Posted - 2010.11.03 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Juggalo Justinian Its a broken mechanic in my opinion, why even have war declaration if said corp, can disband, than reassemble under a different name.. causing the corp who declared war too lose money... where as they have Zero loss... other than the name of their corp...
I propose you should, keep war-decs Active even if they disband their corp... each member that leaves said corp is still eligable for attack for the first week of the war.. after the initial 7 days, that person is no longer eligable for attack by the war-declaring corp..
my 2 isk
Or, you could actually stop wardecing them, man the **** up, admit its not worth the hassle, and go find someone who actually wants to fight? There is lowsec, nullsec, FW, and just open gank attacks as well as known corps like Eve Uni if you want to get your pewpew on. If it causes you to emo-rage that someone keeps defeating your 2 mill risk of combat by declaring a wardec then you lost the battle. Wardecs are to take down POS in highsec in my opinon, nothing ever stops you from attacking other ships but a fear of CONCORD's retribution.
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2010.11.04 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Monte Shill
Originally by: Juggalo Justinian Its a broken mechanic in my opinion, why even have war declaration if said corp, can disband, than reassemble under a different name.. causing the corp who declared war too lose money... where as they have Zero loss... other than the name of their corp...
I propose you should, keep war-decs Active even if they disband their corp... each member that leaves said corp is still eligable for attack for the first week of the war.. after the initial 7 days, that person is no longer eligable for attack by the war-declaring corp..
my 2 isk
Or, you could actually stop wardecing them, man the **** up, admit its not worth the hassle, and go find someone who actually wants to fight? There is lowsec, nullsec, FW, and just open gank attacks as well as known corps like Eve Uni if you want to get your pewpew on. If it causes you to emo-rage that someone keeps defeating your 2 mill risk of combat by declaring a wardec then you lost the battle. Wardecs are to take down POS in highsec in my opinon, nothing ever stops you from attacking other ships but a fear of CONCORD's retribution.
+1
My experiance with high sec war dec'ers is that they are looking for easy kills that won't fight back. They grumble and moan when their WT's arn't stupid enough to go out and die for them and scream about manning up or want CCP to change the rules so that the victim cannot escape. It's funny that griefers discount any notion of E-honor if it is expected of them, but cry tears about the so called dishonor of spinning, logoffski or corp jumping. I have to ask if they are so good at pvp, why camp a indy corp for hours when they can be hunting in lowsec?
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Max Cetera
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Posted - 2010.11.04 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Juggalo Justinian Its a broken mechanic in my opinion, why even have war declaration if said corp, can disband, than reassemble under a different name.. causing the corp who declared war too lose money... where as they have Zero loss... other than the name of their corp...
It's only "free" for them to disband if you're griefing real noobs just running missions. If you're attacking any corp doing some research/industry, it's probably a real PITA to switch corp (even more if they have a POS anchored somewhere, and maybe long science jobs running)
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viper09
vipers bastards
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Posted - 2010.11.04 04:00:00 -
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well basicly what some of you are saying is disband the war dec system incase some little corp gets decd im sory you dont want decd stay in npc corp and be a freaking carebear all youre days. War is part of eve grow up fight the enemy back and who know you might actualy get some respect from them and who knows if you get decd by a bigger corp they might help you.
Theyre is corps that go after noob ceo corps well its a learning experience so use it wisely just dont fly expensive ships and make sure got a empty clone incase they pod you.
Final answer make friends who can back you up during war either by scouting them for you or deccing them back
thanks viper Proud ceo of vipers bastards |
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2010.11.04 06:20:00 -
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No, what were saying is don't whine when carebears refuse to play the game the way you want them to. Your welcome to war dec noob corps, just dont expect them to form a line to become your next killmail.
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.11.04 09:56:00 -
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Hi-sec wardeccers and generally skill-less griefers who wouldn't last two days in low-sec or null-sec.
That said, the mechanic is pretty broken. The idea of being a legal target for a week after you leave a war-decced corp seems pretty good to me.
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Juggalo Justinian
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Posted - 2010.11.04 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Joe McAlt No, what were saying is don't whine when carebears refuse to play the game the way you want them to. Your welcome to war dec noob corps, just dont expect them to form a line to become your next killmail.
Weird the corp i war decd was running a mining op with 5 hulks, and an orca... wish i had that went i started the game... did i miss a special promotional offer some where? that instantly gave you the skill to fly an orca, and fit 5 toons with a hulk?
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Juggalo Justinian
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Posted - 2010.11.04 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aerilis Hi-sec wardeccers and generally skill-less griefers who wouldn't last two days in low-sec or null-sec.
That said, the mechanic is pretty broken. The idea of being a legal target for a week after you leave a war-decced corp seems pretty good to me.
Also ive been flying around in null/low sec quite often.. check my losses... Think ive got a few kills out there also... The reason i war-decd is because its a mechanic i havent used yet.. and thought hey... maybe it'd be fun......
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.11.04 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Juggalo Justinian Also ive been flying around in null/low sec quite often.. check my losses... Think ive got a few kills out there also... The reason i war-decd is because its a mechanic i havent used yet.. and thought hey... maybe it'd be fun......
Not everyone agrees with you. It's also possible that some new player just joined the corp to try it. Basically, by forcing them into a situation where they feel they have no hope, you may be killing the game experience for them. Yes, I know EVE is a harsh universe and they should HTFU. That said, it takes time for people to HTFU. If you just make it so they have no chance to at least feel they are on equal footing before the war, you are just scaring off potential EVE players. So sorry, it may not be the best system, but many, including CCP, feel it is working fine.
You should probably try to war dec other corps. You will find ones willing to fight. I know I've been in a few that did fight. At otehr times, I've been in corps that disbanned or lost most members, and even other times where we were just told to not play EVE for the week or to enjoy using alts that weren't in the corp to begin with. So really, it's a sandbox game and people will play as they like and CCP lets them. One of the mechanics is wardeccing, and another is the ability to leave a corp and no longer be a target. It's just how the game goes and you have to adapt or the game isn't for you either.
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Monte Shill
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Posted - 2010.11.04 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: viper09 well basicly what some of you are saying is disband the war dec system incase some little corp gets decd im sory you dont want decd stay in npc corp and be a freaking carebear all youre days. War is part of eve grow up fight the enemy back and who know you might actualy get some respect from them and who knows if you get decd by a bigger corp they might help you.
No, what I am saying is get over it things don't go your way. If you dec a corp, they jump ship, form another corp, you dec them again, they jump ship, repeat ad nausem then don't complain about it. If you want to dec them, thats fine, but don't get angry when little Jonny won't play with you in the sandbox and expect CCP to fix the problem like a preschool teacher when you go crying to them. There is always the options of popping litte Jonny in the nose and taking his shovel from him (gank) or finding another kid to play with in the sandbox (lowsec,nullsec,FW,Eve Uni).
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Miko Nguyen
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Posted - 2010.11.04 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: viper09 well basicly what some of you are saying is disband the war dec system incase some little corp gets decd im sory you dont want decd stay in npc corp and be a freaking carebear all youre days.
No- what we're saying is stop whining when carebears choose not to fight you and go pick on corps who can or will fight you.
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War is part of eve grow up fight the enemy back and who know you might actualy get some respect from them and who knows if you get decd by a bigger corp they might help you.
And so is indy. It's also part of EVE. You might do better yourself if you stop gatecamping Bestowers
:)
Look- if you guys wanna sit there and attack newbie/carebear corps, then by all means do it. But please don't sit here and whine and inject your philosophy about how EVE should be played or how indy corps should or should not engage with you.
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viper09
vipers bastards
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Posted - 2010.11.04 19:12:00 -
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The point most of us are making is the current war dec system is broken. And it needs to be fixed as theyre is no penalty for anyone leaving and starting a new corp and the person i was decing wasnt a pve corp it was a pvp 1.
Yeah i get ppl want to do industry stuff but in this game without friends you get nowhere and ppl need to learn you will get war decd from time to time so either prepare for it or stay in a npc corp which cannot be decd.
And this 1 for miko nyugen yeah my NEW CORP SHOOTS ANYTHING IN LOW SEC NOT BLUE also instead of linking a whole corp try doing a member have fun here is my personal bc killboard http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=viper09
thanks viper
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.11.04 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia on 04/11/2010 19:24:32
Originally by: viper09 Yeah i get ppl want to do industry stuff but in this game without friends you get nowhere and ppl need to learn you will get war decd from time to time so either prepare for it or stay in a npc corp which cannot be decd.
So it's OK for you to dictate how people should play, but if they suggest you find other targets who want to actually fight, you don't think that's right or fair? Get over yourself. You can't say people must stay in the NPC corp if they don't want to get wardecced. That would be like me saying hey, you can only do PvP if you fly rifters. It's a sandbox game, and people will do as they wish. And the war decs aren't broken, it is how CCP intended. If they didn't, they would have changed the mechanic already.
And you seem to be forgetting that part of the reason people want to get away from a wardec is to go make ISK so they can have ships the next time they are decced. If you don't allow this, the alternative is that your war targets will just log off and not play for a week. Which would you prefer? Wasting your money on a corp that disbands, wasting your money on a corp that won't undock, or simply finding a target that wants to play? My vote, go find a target that wants to play.
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viper09
vipers bastards
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Posted - 2010.11.04 19:25:00 -
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no ppl can play how they want but when joining a corp you understand theyres a chance of war so prepare for it. so a person making a corp and leaving 12 times is perfectly fine with you. how about to fix that then ccp say well you ahve left 3 corps within x timeframe due to war decs this time you ahve to pay x amount to disband corp
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.11.04 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia on 04/11/2010 19:36:08
Originally by: viper09 no ppl can play how they want but when joining a corp you understand theyres a chance of war so prepare for it. so a person making a corp and leaving 12 times is perfectly fine with you. how about to fix that then ccp say well you ahve left 3 corps within x timeframe due to war decs this time you ahve to pay x amount to disband corp
Who pays? What amount? Couldn't they just leave an alt sitting at the helm? Further more, do you want them to take a developer's time away from something else, just so they can code a check system where if Corp is at war, and pilot leaves, set counter +1. If Counter == 3, charge X? And what of a newer player. Say they join 3 bad corps in a row. Are they now to be penalized because they didn't pick good corps, or because a corp they pick disbans, screwing them over. Would you negate the count if someone was kicked instead of resigned?
I recall one corpmate. He was kicked 3 times in one war. He kept not following orders, then would join another corp in the alliance, claiming he was kicked unfairly. If he's kicked again, would he have to pay? Wouldn't people then be tempted to let him in, then kick him repeatedly just as a form of griefing?
Honestly, I have no problems with the current war dec mechanic. Granted, I'm a corp hopping fill-in-the-blank, but that's partitally because I can help start corps for people so they can anchor POSes. Should I be penalized simply because I create corps and later they are wardecced right before I leave? Should that now be part of the cost when people offer to create corps?
In other words, you aren't thinking of all the possible scenarios. You have one problem in mind, and think your solution fits, yet it would cause problems for others who aren't trying to perform what you view as an exploit.
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viper09
vipers bastards
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Posted - 2010.11.04 19:48:00 -
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no im on about ppl who intentonaly get a war dec then leave as soon as goes live or within first 2 days. ppl that are doing a favour to help with pos's. this would only apply to corp jumpers during war times
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2010.11.05 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: viper09 The point most of us are making...
No, the point 30% of the posters are trying to make is... 30% != most.
Quote: is the current war dec system is broken. And it needs to be fixed as theyre is no penalty for anyone leaving and starting a new corp and the person i was decing wasnt a pve corp it was a pvp 1.
Who gives a flying fig what 'sort' of corp you're deccing? Unless there's a class of corp "PvP corp" which has different rules to all other corps? No? The mechanic is not broken; your pure, sportsmanlike intent is a far cry from the raw psychopathy of the corp griefers who "do it for the tears".
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Kyoto Luyi
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
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Posted - 2010.11.05 11:36:00 -
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To my mind, if they disband their Corp, didn't you just WIN?
You could put it in a sig, or keep stats on how many Corporations you have caused to cease to exist, maybe? Just a thought... -- The views or opinions I express are solely my own and do not reflect those of my Corporation or Alliance.. Oh, and I'm NOT allowed in CAOD either :) |
mrmooo
Caldari Pentag Blade
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Posted - 2010.11.05 11:55:00 -
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Dont think the mechanics (in respect of the ability to leave etc) need to change-but the cost of setting up a corp should be increased to say a 100 mil and maybe a higher sp requirement to set up --- this may encourage newer players to join more established corps rather than setting up themselves and likely to fail and would help discourage corp creation/ hopping for war dec evading-
Corp formation is far to easy atm that any alt can do-it should be a much more serious undertaking
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Monte Shill
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Posted - 2010.11.05 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: mrmooo Corp formation is far to easy atm that any alt can do-it should be a much more serious undertaking
And Wardecs are far to easy to iniate. 2 mill vs 1.6 million, not a huge difference. There isn't even a counter to a wardec other then jump ship when it pops up or log off for a week. You would think in some RP sense from CONCORD you could buy that 2 million off with 10 of your own and after several bids up to 50 mill does the agressor wish to continue [Yes][No]? or will the target corp shell out 75 million? I pay more in an NPC corp to avoid wardecs to finish training alot of basic stuff uninterrupted, you would think CONCORD would wise up to the fact School and Drop corps are making more then them and start acting like the Godfather collecting protection money
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Baron Valkon
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Posted - 2010.11.05 15:49:00 -
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Maybe they could add a penalty system like when u join a new corp your training is put on pause for a week and when u leave a corp its put on pause for a week so if you leave one day and join a new player owned corp the next day thats 2 weeks u cant train. Just an idea to penalize corp hoppers
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Grover Dill
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Posted - 2010.11.05 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoto Luyi To my mind, if they disband their Corp, didn't you just WIN?
^^ THIS.
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Exploited Engineer
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Posted - 2010.11.05 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Grover Dill
Originally by: Kyoto Luyi To my mind, if they disband their Corp, didn't you just WIN?
^^ THIS.
The only problem is that you don't get a killmail.
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2010.11.06 04:05:00 -
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You are talking about penalizing other players for not playing Eve the way you wanted them too. The argument is that this is a pvp game but that isnÆt true. ItÆs a sand box, an open ended game that allows players to pursue whatever destiny interests them.
Yes, if have a need to pick on someone, you can dec a noob or indy corp, but the idea that they should be forced to either stop playing, be penalized or forced to play in ways they do not want to is ridicules. People pay to play this game; most wonÆt continue to pay if they are forced to play it as someone elseÆs victim.
Mt feeling is that it is too easy to dec an unwilling corp. Corps can be decÆd non-stop until its members get so tired of it itÆs no longer worth being a member. This may be grand fun for the griefer, but for someone who just likes to watch the mining lasers pulse with some friends it becomes really tiresome. CCP would do well to look at the number of high sec dwelling carebears there are out there vs the relatively small number of low sec pvpers. IÆm sure they donÆt want to chase off their largest player group.
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