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CCP Spitfire	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:04:00 - [1] CCP Loktofeit describes the second part of this yearÆs Christmas present, the CONCORD Echelon ship. Read his latest dev blog to find out more about this marvelous piece of technology and how to get yours from the Christmas stocking. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Marcus JuniusBrutus	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Marcus JuniusBrutus on 09/12/2010 15:16:25 Looks interesting! Any more specific info on slots/primary or secondary uses? Yay to a new ship
Lake The Praxis Initiative Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:15:00 - [3] Stats? -- Founder of The Praxis Initiative Operator of eve-mail.net
cpu939 Gallente Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:18:00 - [4] looks sweet and stats please 0101011 001101111 011011000 110000101110100 01101001011011000 1100101001000000 1001110011000010 11101000111010101 11001001100101
Memorya	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:20:00 - [5] Damn uglly, just like all concord ships. ------------------------ English is my 5th. Language.
Basibozuk	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:20:00 - [6] Nice, just hope that we get a regular ship with that hull, like the primae
Charles Javeroux Gallente INTERSTELLAR CREDIT	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:24:00 - [7] WOOT WOOT.....Yay \0/ for free stuff Originally by: Orek Fear I guess the ultimate solution to inflation in EVE turned out to be an NPC stripper... Originally by: Concerned Capsuleers Why can't we just be left alone?!
helmeo Caldari Redwaffe	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:27:00 - [8] sweet, but the question is, does it fire snowballs?
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:28:00 - [9] Edited by: Sturmwolke on 09/12/2010 15:29:20 Meh .. another freebie ship? Well, now we know what to expect for any future surprises. /edit : inserted freebie with emphasis

CCP Loktofeit	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:28:00 - [10] Edited by: CCP Loktofeit on 09/12/2010 15:28:42 The stats of the Echelon are fairly equal to an average T1 frigate, except that it can only fit one module and no rigs. The module itself is similar to a T1 codebreaker, except it has twice the range and an eight-second cycle time.


Hiram Alexander	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:30:00 - [11] Very nice. I look forward to seeing the stats on this. Is it too much to ask that it'd be on the Sansha's 'ignore list'...? lol (Also hoping an equivalent T1 ship will emerge in time, that uses this groovy mesh) --HA
Dierdra Vaal	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:31:00 - [12] ib4c Looks nice, in fact it unusually detailed for a frig o_O * * * Director of Education :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
Cantonus Minmatar Colossus Technologies P R I M E	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Memorya Damn uglly, just like all concord ships. I wish the ungrateful people would go away...ya you, Memorya. Thanks for another fine addition to the game CCP! I can't wait to see the stats. One kill before my guns are empty
Versuvius Marii United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:34:00 - [14] ...another free ship for the collection, I guess :) Probably won't ever use it, but at least it isn't a recoloured shuttle :P
JeanMichel Bizarre Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:37:00 - [15] Quote: The ship cannot be redeemed if the receiving character is not docked in an NPC station. Does that mean if we're in an alliance owned station we cannot redeem this ship?
Lutz Major Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:37:00 - [16] Nice! \o/
Fujiko MaXjolt Caldari Templar Republic	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:38:00 - [17] Great ! Here's to hoping it'll find its way to Concords new LP store It really sounds like a ship that will be useful and also bound to have a high turnover, hehe
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:39:00 - [18] Nice! Another collectors item and I get 2. :)
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:40:00 - [19] So, when can we expect this model to be made into a more useful ship instead of a gimped freebie? You all actually used the art assets you created for the Primae to make the Noctis; when do we get to see something good from this as opposed to a waste of artists' time? :p
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:40:00 - [20] thanks for the ship. any chance this one goes the way of Primae? on other note, any update on old ship's face lifting? ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."

Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:40:00 - [21] Will BPC's be in the Concord LP store or a new model come out later? Perhaps in the LP Store? Inquiring fanatics want to know! -- I can not decide on a sig yet. Under Construction.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Dev blog The ship cannot be redeemed if the receiving character is not docked in an NPC station. CCP, why still no love for your loyal players who build their own stations? ___________
Faolan Fortune	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:42:00 - [23] Really nice ship... but something that will never see space, just like the primae, zephyr etc. which is a damn shame. I made a suggestion about a salvaging ship using the primae hull, which was responded to by CCP hinting they already had the same idea, before the noctis was revealed. If anyone has a really good idea on how to use the zephyr and now the echelon hulls for a useful mass produced ship, give it a shot.
Salyan	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:44:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Loktofeit Edited by: CCP Loktofeit on 09/12/2010 15:28:42 it can only fit one module [...] a T1 codebreaker, except it has twice the range and an eight-second cycle time. That makes me wonder what possible use this could have. You wouldn't be able to find normal radar sites with it, or even run them if they had one rat there. Some new feature to deal with incursions? A frigate with one module doesn't seem to make too much sense with how nasty those sites are. Sounds like the usual hangar dust collector so far, but I do like the design.
Orephia	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:48:00 - [25] Originally by: CCP Loktofeit The advanced cryptographic processors on board provide superior hacking capabilities for use on most known password-secured devices. GSCs?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:51:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Spitfire the second part of this yearÆs Christmas present, the CONCORD Echelon ship The Learning Skills removal, while I didn't agree with it, was at least substantial. To follow up with... this? Laaaaame. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Andre Coeurl Gallente TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:51:00 - [27] Nice art, although the bubbly canopy is quite useless while the pilot is in a pod, and seriously useless. At least the Zephyr and Primae could see some limited use, but who's going to use a slow frig with no tank and just one near-T2 strenght hacking module in real sites? A standard EA frig (Hyena to say one) can do much better than this as far as hacking chances are concerned, and survivability due to tank and speed are infinitely better. Dear devs, I think you still have time to think about a decent slot layout, or at least to give ti useful stats. --- --- ---
laurence katra	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:52:00 - [28] IBC Ohhh i love new ships!! So could we please have this become another market ship much like the primae?
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:53:00 - [29] Sexy ship, even though I don't have much use for it :P But still sexy. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Makko Gray Nexus Aerospace Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:54:00 - [30] Ooo pretty. I hope it has moving parts.

Derus Grobb Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:55:00 - [31] Another great looking ship. I wonder if another use can be found for this hull model, much like the Noctis. It would be a shame to waste the design on a one-off slightly useless ship that can only fit one module. ---
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: CCP Spitfire the second part of this yearÆs Christmas present, the CONCORD Echelon ship The Learning Skills removal, while I didn't agree with it, was at least substantial. To follow up with... this? Laaaaame. No x-mas present for you then this year. CCP, make it so.
Grady Eltoren Minmatar Aviation Professionals for EVE	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:58:00 - [33] HECK YEAH CCP!! : ) YOU ROCK! Although I am dissapointed because I was going to enter MY DESIGN into the Final Word Ship design contest and it was a dedicated Hacking/Arch/Sal ship - and it looks like the Echelon does that already! Boo hiss :) haha Seriously though - any stats on slots and bonuses? Also Please tell me we will be able to replace these and this is not a one time gift? because I know I will be using these constantly! Cheers to the mini-professions! : ) Thanks CCP and Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas! Aviation Professionals for EVE (APEVE)
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:58:00 - [34] Haxing ship? It has immunity debugger built in and can do automated in-memory fuzzing of the eve client? ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.09 15:58:00 - [35] Must the account be active on the 14th for this item to be redeemable or is it ok as long as the account is fully paid anytime within the redeem window? I like the design, is the antenna thingy on top of the wing moving?
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:00:00 - [36] Completely useless. That's not necessarily a bad thing, I guess. I don't like the cartoony look of the primae and this thing but oh well.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:02:00 - [37] Does it have engine trails? ...
kakmonstret	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:02:00 - [38] Any chance for those pics in more sizes and added to wallpaper section?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Razin Does it have engine trails? I read this in the quiet voice of a disappointed child. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:07:00 - [40] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Razin Does it have engine trails? I read this in the quiet voice of a disappointed child. That's pretty much how I felt. ...

Ancyker The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:08:00 - [41] Free ship, can't argue with that. Here's hoping it does something unforeseen and nifty. :)
Abramul	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:10:00 - [42] I would strongly recommend that this ship be given enough HP to survive a suicide-gank Rupture; the Apotheosis and Zephyr can be taken out by even a Thrasher, which severely limits their highsec survivability. Was this getting something similar to the Zephyr's Sleeper immunity for incursions?
Nocturnal miner	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:10:00 - [43] Edited by: Nocturnal miner on 09/12/2010 16:10:51 u could actually make it a bit more usefull and make it able to open hacking cans while cloaked OR have npc lock immunity, any of those would help it substantially
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:11:00 - [44] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Razin Does it have engine trails? I read this in the quiet voice of a disappointed child. If I wish hard enough that sweater might have an X-Box inside... Please give me a New Ship based on the hull for Easter. -- I can not decide on a sig yet. Under Construction.
Mhari Dson	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:15:00 - [45] While it's certaintly a detailed and reasonably nice looking ship, the lack of ability to fit a probe launcher to find the sites it's designed to use will severely limit the practical application. I might take it out for a few joyrides along the way once the gankfest slows down but I can't see it getting much real use. Give it a 2H/2M/2L with 10m3 dronebay (0/0 on guns/missiles) and I could see this becoming a reasonably useful ship. Also, any stats on the codebreaker? Will it be useable only with this ship or with any? And a big Bravo! to the art team for another excellent ship.
MailDeadDrop The Collective	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Must the account be active on the 14th for this item to be redeemable or is it ok as long as the account is fully paid anytime within the redeem window? I'd speculate (based on prior CCP actions) that the account must be active on the 14th. Essentially at downtime on the 14th, CCP runs a special job that places a redeemable token on each active account. That token can be redeemed (by any character on the account) for the ship. At downtime on January 3rd CCP will run another job to delete any remaining tokens. Originally by: JeanMichel Bizarre Originally by: CCP The ship cannot be redeemed if the receiving character is not docked in an NPC station. Does that mean if we're in an alliance owned station we cannot redeem this ship? Yes. It means that so long as your character is in space or docked at a player-corporation-owned station or outpost, it is unable to redeem the ship token. However, that character (or any other character on the account) can redeem the ship token if they become docked at an NPC station sometime between the 14th and January 3rd. This includes via jump clone, medical clone, or plain ol' docking. MDD
Sylvie Yseult	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:18:00 - [47] Fairly disappointed. Only good thing about this is that it could pull a Primae, and become a specialist T1 ship.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:19:00 - [48] Wikileaks ship. Woot.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:21:00 - [49] Originally by: Grady Eltoren Seriously though - any stats on slots and bonuses? Can fit the special Sansha Hacker module Has 1 module slot to fill the Sansha Hacker module Rest of the stats similar to a T1 frig. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Tsezear	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:21:00 - [50] CCP has out done themselves yet again! The christmas gifts have greatly improved in quality these past few years and offer quick access to features of Eve that pilots might otherwise overlook. Keep these unique ships coming!

Candente Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:22:00 - [51] I see this ship's value lies in the "more useful" version it (hopefully) will spawn like how Primae gave us Noctis :p Would be good if this ship can be made into a dedicated (and practical) hacking and archeology ship, with 8 mid slots and ability to fit a probe launcher ------------- rawr~
Louis deGuerre Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:22:00 - [52] So no Tornado ? Free ship is free, thanks ----- Amicus Morte is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
Kraschyn Thek'athor	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:33:00 - [53] Lord Spitfire, very pleased with the little frig from Hoh-Hoh Productions. But... there was an big mean combat toaster choosen from the fine artists from old Terra, a project called Tornado Battleship. Could you please whip all christmas elves a bit harder for delivery?
Nyx's Darkness	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:35:00 - [54] so thats what all that hype was about. oh how to excite the child only to disapoint them at xmas. tbh i was hoping of a mil sp's on top of the refunded ones to compensate for teh time wasted, but no a ****ing frig, oh yay
Warpoutnowgogo	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:35:00 - [55] I was really hoping for snowball launchers...
Rixiu The Forgotten Navy	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:40:00 - [56] So this is the second part? Weak :( Learning skills were "50% of the christmas surprise", this can't reach above another 5% :/ I demand another 45% christmas surprise! :) Look like a nice ship, hangar ornament naturally but still nice looks.
Nae Kydwon Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:40:00 - [57] Originally by: Warpoutnowgogo I was really hoping for snowball launchers... ------ Full salvo launchers fueled by ice field ordinance from the starry dynamo.
Bela'flek	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:45:00 - [58] Without npc aggro immunity, it is useless. I have run the sites on sisi, and the rats like their cans.
Groyidd Nanobots Industries	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:51:00 - [59] Edited by: Groyidd on 09/12/2010 16:51:23 Originally by: Abramul Edited by: Abramul on 09/12/2010 16:18:01 Edited by: Abramul on 09/12/2010 16:16:42 I rather like the design, while it's true the canopy is useless, it's not the only ship with a visible 'pilot-sitty-place-stupid-censor', in particular Caldari frigates typically show them. You have to remember that in the EVE universe there are non capsuleers flying ships around space. The invention of the Pod didn't get rid of the normal people flying ships. Therefore, those people would use the canopy because they would be on the bridge of the vessel.
Medianaa	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:55:00 - [60] Does this ship require concord skip skills or ORE ship skills?

Altaree The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:02:00 - [61] Cool little ship! Can we build them or are they destined to become hanger queens? --Altaree
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:05:00 - [62] Originally by: Altaree Cool little ship! Can we build them or are they destined to become hanger queens? Hanger Queens. Meh. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Lirinas	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:05:00 - [63] Originally by: Orephia Originally by: CCP Loktofeit The advanced cryptographic processors on board provide superior hacking capabilities for use on most known password-secured devices. GSCs? I had the exact same thought, but I seriously doubt it'll let us hack player containers :( Otherwise, while it looks like a pretty ship, I don't see me ever using it.
Aeo IV Amarr Oneironautics Research Institute	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:05:00 - [64] I like new ships and free stuff, but I wish CCP wouldn't focus so much effort in one-of-and-useless ships.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:06:00 - [65] Thanks CCP, keep up the good work - altho snowballs would have been enough /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Larkonis Trassler NibbleTek Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:10:00 - [66] Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 09/12/2010 17:10:19 Was hoping for old cyno effects and engine trails Still looks p good though.
Jim Luc Caldari Rule of Five	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:11:00 - [67] With the release of Incarna, will there be a way to showcase all of these museum pieces? If people can't walk around looking at all the nice freebie ships that never get flown because there aren't any ways to mass-produce them, ooh'ing and ahh'ing how awesome it is that you have them - what good are they? 10-1 says you take one of these to an Incursion site, it will get blowned up. I wish CCP remembers what the first rule of EVE is: First rule of Eve: Don't fly anything you can't afford to replace.
Cpt Wisdoom	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:12:00 - [68] And i just hoped for Hybrid turrets rebalance... Well... Ship is still good, thx. Collectors item, nothing more, but good.
Magnus Orin Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:14:00 - [69] Edited by: Magnus Orin on 09/12/2010 17:14:52 Nice, if the Primae -> Noctis was any indication, the Echelon may be evidence that we are going to see a dedicated science ship BPO in Eve soon. I think a dedicated science vessel with hacking and code breaking bonuses would fill a small hole in the toolbox of ships imo. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Kateryne Minmatar Nisaba Syndicate NISYN Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:15:00 - [70] Originally by: Aeo IV I like new ships and free stuff, but I wish CCP wouldn't focus so much effort in one-of-and-useless ships. This to be honest, as it sounds like it won't see much use outside of the new Sansha invasion mechanics, which aren't going to interest a majority of people anyway. How about something we could all use? Like a ship with bonuses to hacking, archaeology and scanning in general? A super-covert-ops frigate.

Knug LiDi N00bFleeT	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:18:00 - [71] Hmmmm free hacking ship. My wish? The "useful" version (i.e. primae --> noctis) is used to hack into abandoned/offlined POS structures so we can clear out that debris without having to blow the station up. That would be awesome.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:44:00 - [72] This is going to be to close Sansha wormholes, right?
Zahira Wrath Amarr Dominion Strategic	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:44:00 - [73] Cool ship CCP! :) Is it possible that it could get the Primae->Notis treatment? i.e will we see a build-able better version of the ship for day to day use? (more slots, some tank, some gank,seeded T1 BPO, concord frigate skill book?)
zcar300 Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:56:00 - [74] "superior hacking capabilities for use on most known password-secured devices." It would be a big step up if we could hack player "password-secured devices". Stealing from secure cans would still get you agro. I absolutely love these one off free ships. Yes most will be hanger queens but I like collecting rare items. It sounds to me like there will be a production version of this that will become very important when battling the real sansha incursions. I believe I remember them saying you will have to do some hacking to complete them.
Rendifferent	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:01:00 - [75] Originally by: CCP Loktofeit Edited by: CCP Loktofeit on 09/12/2010 15:28:42 The stats of the Echelon are fairly equal to an average T1 frigate, except that it can only fit one module and no rigs. The module itself is similar to a T1 codebreaker, except it has twice the range and an eight-second cycle time. So basically what you're saying it that it's completely impractical and mostly worthless. Why not just release it as a full ship like the Noctis?
Lise Kahel	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:05:00 - [76] On SiSi, this ship has 3 rig slots and requires Amarr Frigate II. Huh?
chaosjj	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:06:00 - [77] Echelon stats (from singularity, so probably not final) Shield 235 armor 305 hull 274 resists are that of a amarr frigate capacitor 187 GJ 140sec recharge targeting range: 20km scan resolution: 700mm Radar sensor strength: 6 signature radius 33m velocity: 404 m\sec Warp speed: 6 AU/sec Skill req amarr frigate 2 spaceship command 1 powergrid: 0 CPU: 0 slots: 1 medium slot 3 rig slots
Kovid Reaper Industries	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:07:00 - [78] Edited by: Kovid on 09/12/2010 18:12:09 When you hack sometimes it spawns npcs. So it has a faster cycle time and twice the range. But since you can only have one special hacker per ship another frigate could fit more and do the same job or better. Cycle time is 2 seconds faster. And it's a gift ship so if it explodes you have no others. You can't put a cloak on it to keep it safe until you need it so it seems best left in high sec. I hope the art department didn't waste months on this ship when they could have tweaked an existing model. For instance the response to the Naglfar complaints was that it would take way to long for the art department to put another turret on. A free holiday ship it is. So it can't be much anything useful or it would eventually create a market like the unique ships that CCP doesn't seem to want to approach again as would eventually be thinned out to the point their value would make them something real collectors would want. But it seems its more likely part of the Sansha invasion storyline to be used with that. All the people involved in the RP and the actual interaction of that should be happy. If that's the case then the art department basically spent the time to make a 'prop.' I'm not sure how I feel about that. I guess it depends on how much time and compare it to releasing a new ship or editing an old one like a Naglfar(granted it is seems balanced now except skillwise) or the Scorpion. Is this the cloaked ship on the login screen? It is a stretch since the ship itself can't cloak.
Exordium8 Minmatar Universal Independence Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:08:00 - [79] Getting this ship negates any good CCP did with removing the learning skills. I just want a ship that's not totally useless for Christmas, is that too much to ask? OK, the Zephyr was kinda useful, but give us a combat ship FFS, not a one-slot-wonder --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:13:00 - [80] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Must the account be active on the 14th for this item to be redeemable or is it ok as long as the account is fully paid anytime within the redeem window? The account must be active at some point during the 14 Dec - 3 Jan window. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games



CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:15:00 - [81] Originally by: MailDeadDrop Originally by: Mashie Saldana Must the account be active on the 14th for this item to be redeemable or is it ok as long as the account is fully paid anytime within the redeem window? I'd speculate (based on prior CCP actions) that the account must be active on the 14th. Essentially at downtime on the 14th, CCP runs a special job that places a redeemable token on each active account. That token can be redeemed (by any character on the account) for the ship. At downtime on January 3rd CCP will run another job to delete any remaining tokens. We add a time-limited token on 14 Dec but you can activate your account at any time before or during the window and redeem the ship. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Ulstan	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:20:00 - [82] I like the look of this ship but, um, what is it going to be used for? Nothing, as far as I can see. You can't scan down and run hacking sites with only one module, and if you're going to be using 2 ships anyway, there are much better options. I hope eventually a 'real' ship will use the model, because it's a very nice one.
Xqpvqsvs Qr'atyuqink Minmatar Lamb Federation Navy C0VEN	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:20:00 - [83] Originally by: CCP Loktofeit Edited by: CCP Loktofeit on 09/12/2010 15:28:42 The stats of the Echelon are fairly equal to an average T1 frigate, except that it can only fit one module and no rigs. The module itself is similar to a T1 codebreaker, except it has twice the range and an eight-second cycle time. so another useless ship which is bad at everything ...
Cierelle	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:25:00 - [84] Originally by: Lirinas Originally by: Orephia Originally by: CCP Loktofeit The advanced cryptographic processors on board provide superior hacking capabilities for use on most known password-secured devices. GSCs? I had the exact same thought, but I seriously doubt it'll let us hack player containers :( Otherwise, while it looks like a pretty ship, I don't see me ever using it. Hey CCP, whats the word on this? Are we gonna be able to hack GSC's or other known PW protected itmes from players??? !!! Being able to hack offlined or abandoned towers would be AWESOME !!!!!!!
Gun Hog Caldari Ardent Industrial DEM0N HUNTERS	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:25:00 - [85] Blueprints, CCP! BLUEPRINTS! Do not give us fish, CCP! Teach us how to get our own so that we may feed ourselves for a lifetime! I like my Primae. I like my Apotheosis. I would rather have the BP so I can actually undock with them! _______________________________________________
Ulstan	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:27:00 - [86] There's a possibility CCP will introduce new uses for hacking for helping deal with sansha incursions, but either you can hack those sites with existing ships, in which case everyone will use those so they don't lose an irreplaceable ship if npc's blow up it's paper thin hull, or only the echolon can complete them, which seems like a recipe for disaster and endless griping from people with inactive accounts during this period :p
DJ DeLaMuerta Weird Science Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:38:00 - [87] Its a nice ship and once again the Art team have done a super job however... Its yet another free ship that will get very limited use but yet has taken as much time to design as if you were to add in a full combat, market bound ship. We have had a lot of free ships in the last few years but few new additions to the line up and none to the standard T1 listings that have some glaring holes. What about Tier 2&3&4 Destroyers, a ship class thats almost completely useless now we have a dedicated salvage ship. What about Tier 3&4 Battlecruisers, probably the most popular class in eve and yet we have are sorely lacking in choice. What about Tier 4 BS, think how much salivating and joy a new BS for each race would bring. What about all the faction ships we are missing such as faction BC and Destroyers, that would add much more depth to the game instead of just the ones that have not been added to in many years. While i love the gesture of all these free ships i would much rather the time was put into developing and expanding the regular ships we use every day. We have had so little changes/additions in recent years that things are getting quite stagnant and the addition of meaning full combat ships (particularity accessible T1 ones) would be so warmly received that i am surprised we have been left waiting so long tbh. Thanks though tis a nice ship.
Baddaxe Minmatar Construction Cabal Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:39:00 - [88] Lame, just like all the free ships CCP has passed out in the past. Another usless honk-o-junk to clog up my hanger. I'll park it right next to the useless PI ship and the useless scanning solar powered ship. It's not like they would lose money giving us a real ship that could realy be used and not a butch of junk.
Shasz New Eden Renegades	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:54:00 - [89] I'm calling it right now... 2011's Christmas ship will be a plucky little frigate that can fit the finest <insert race>'s analyzing skill modules, and a freebie little data analyzer. 2012's Freebie will be a svelte little mining cruiser straight from ORE industries, equipped with a top-o-the-line gas harvester that even a newbie can operate... and 200 m3 cargo hold. 2013 anyone? /me looks under the tree, looking for another present besides socks after all the buildup. ___________________________________
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.12.09 18:57:00 - [90] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: CCP Spitfire the second part of this yearÆs Christmas present, the CONCORD Echelon ship The Learning Skills removal, while I didn't agree with it, was at least substantial. To follow up with... this? Laaaaame. hey, dude, that's a lot of man hours, learning skill removal is nothing compared to the work they put into this :(

Kirkland Cash Guerillas Of The Underground	Posted - 2010.12.09 19:13:00 - [91] Originally by: Shasz /me looks under the tree, looking for another present besides socks after all the buildup. at least socks will be useful.... 2013....more care bear items! that's my prediction _______________________________________________________ "Talking to you is like clapping with one hand"
Kamikazeconomist Minmatar Caracal Innovations	Posted - 2010.12.09 19:33:00 - [92] yes, i'll admit, i wasn't the best boy this year.... but a lump of coal??? really?
RLCHANCE	Posted - 2010.12.09 19:41:00 - [93] Can we have more ships spinnOffs from the Noctis PleasE:)) nice looking ship tho
Flesh Slurper	Posted - 2010.12.09 19:48:00 - [94] Nice looking ship. I will enjoy taking it out for a spin and seeing what normal production ships are derived from it's hull in the future.
Veebora Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.09 19:50:00 - [95] Meh, I feels like a child that receives cloths as Christmas gift instead of a cool toy.
Killitt	Posted - 2010.12.09 20:01:00 - [96] I really like the idea of adding new cool ships to the game. But i think a far better way to do this...would be to give them slots, and make them usable...They would still be 1 run collection items ,and I can find no wrong in having more variety in the ships we see flying in new eden. I do appreciate the gift though. ty
Mamba Lev Masturbating Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.12.09 20:06:00 - [97] I am so disapointed i can't be bother
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.12.09 20:29:00 - [98] Thanks for the gift, but I hope you make something remotely useful out of the design at some point, so your art teams precious and limited time wasn't totally wasted.
Zeg Quul	Posted - 2010.12.09 20:38:00 - [99] Edited by: Zeg Quul on 09/12/2010 20:41:17 Nice name btw. ;-) With hacking bonus ? <3 CCP
Alpheias	Posted - 2010.12.09 20:40:00 - [100] So, aside from the "space aquarium with thrusters" look, I got to ask if the design comes from a pile of rejected ideas?

Haseo Arashi	Posted - 2010.12.09 20:47:00 - [101] Reused ship features Check underused Modules Check useless/limited use Check Yeap this is a Christmas present from CCP alright.
Rhaegar Thrax Gallente Militaris Industries Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.12.09 20:52:00 - [102] Edited by: Rhaegar Thrax on 09/12/2010 20:52:11 I hoped it was not something like this, I feel trolled by CCP. Lame surprise, like getting an ugly sweater from your granny for christmas. No offense to the guys who worked hard to design and make this, I respcet your effort, just wish CCP would make you develop something extraordinarily unexpected and much appreciated for christmas surprises instead. I'm just underwhelmed, or maybe I'm just a spoiled brat. -Rhae Edited for spelling Edited for spelling
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.12.09 20:52:00 - [103] Originally by: Lake Stats? Without jumping ahead to see the answer: 1. Only one slot (a mid) for the Sansha codebreaker. 2. Shuttle-sized cargo bay 3. Destroyer sig 4. Frigate HP and agility 5. Rather slow 6. T1 resists 7. No rigs
Nareg Maxence Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.09 21:12:00 - [104] Zephyr was awesome. This is totally lame. Ugly useless ship. Not even going to redeem mine.
Karim alRashid Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.12.09 21:17:00 - [105] Echelon should have been reserved for some covert eavesdropping type of ship. -- Pain is weakness leaving the body.
Swidgen	Posted - 2010.12.09 21:18:00 - [106] BFD this is totally lame. At least the Zephyr has an actual role under the right circumstances.
Shinzann Dead poets society The Laughing Men	Posted - 2010.12.09 21:28:00 - [107] Will likely look very pretty sitting next to my primae, zephyr and apotheosis in my hangar. Hopefully the production model based on this hull comes out soon. Not being ungrateful, just stating the truth. Very pretty little ship, no practical use. Cheers! === Q u o t e: If the servers aren't up, its not a hotfix.
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2010.12.09 21:30:00 - [108] Edited by: Mr LaForge on 09/12/2010 21:30:01 The concept picture looks far better than the actual model. And its not even a real white color, its more of a light gray.
Ariel Nova	Posted - 2010.12.09 21:35:00 - [109] Nice limited concept ship. I shall stow it in a safe place. I think many players expect a fully loaded Mercedes from CCP for Christmas instead of a SMART car. Greedy. The thing is, it's a limited production free ship. If it were fully loaded Mercedes you'd likely /emorage when you went out and lost it and it couldn't be replaced. It's a collectors item. It says "I was here for Christmas 2010". It doesn't have to do anything as far as I'm concerned. Maybe next year though they'll consider bonus SP since it seems people can't appreciate the thought and effort put into creating a ship for them.
Krennel Darius Caldari Nova Security Systems The Laughing Men	Posted - 2010.12.09 21:40:00 - [110] Edited by: Krennel Darius on 09/12/2010 21:41:54 Originally by: CCP Loktofeit Edited by: CCP Loktofeit on 09/12/2010 15:28:42 The stats of the Echelon are fairly equal to an average T1 frigate, except that it can only fit one module and no rigs. The module itself is similar to a T1 codebreaker, except it has twice the range and an eight-second cycle time. Do I have the option of trading it in for a snowball launcher and some snowballs? Edit: Also, is it invulnerable to sleeper attack? Cause it might actually be useful for something if it was. _________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norris

Buga Buga ROMANIA Renegades ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2010.12.09 21:41:00 - [111] Why is the screenshot taken from a game running on low settings? What the hell... I'm a "Shoot me I suck" specialist.
Thorvik Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.12.09 21:46:00 - [112] Originally by: Ariel Nova I think many players expect a fully loaded Mercedes from CCP for Christmas instead of a SMART car. Greedy. The thing is, it's a limited production free ship. If it were fully loaded Mercedes you'd likely /emorage when you went out and lost it and it couldn't be replaced. It's a collectors item. It says "I was here for Christmas 2010". I agree w/ except for one thing. I think 'most' ppl want the SMART car w/more USB plugins. Limited ship or not some ppl want to be able to actually use the ship for something. In this case you find a can in your cruiser (after major Sansha battle), warp back to station, get in Echelon, warp back to can (if it's still there) decode/hack pick up contents and warp back to station to get your cruiser. In the process you hope not to get shot at due to the unique nature of the ship, the paper thin hull structure and minimum resists. I still have snowball launcher w/ (now) melted snowball ammo in my hangar. I don't want to toss it even though it just takes up space and clutters things up in my bay.
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.09 21:46:00 - [113] Sexy. Purpose-built, T1 hacking module though? Sadness. I've wondered why CCP didn't do a 99.9999% decrease in fitting requirements for CPU/grid on a specific type of module (then put 1 CPU and 1 Grid on the ship) rather than create a new module specific to the ship for this and the scanning ship. Don't get me wrong, I did use those scanning ships a bit and they were kinda nice. This signature is useless, but it is red.
Maaxeru	Posted - 2010.12.09 21:57:00 - [114] Edited by: Maaxeru on 09/12/2010 22:04:48 Is it just me or doesn't the Noctus / Primae seem to take a lot of design ideas from the Leonov from 2010? (Rotating section and all) Linky: http://www.truedimensions.com/lego/customs/2010/ (Sorry about the lego pics - hard to find good shots of the film-ship)
Farrisen Caldari Cerbian Cerbian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.09 22:00:00 - [115] um wat and o.O soooo a dev post about it beeing a limited edition ship like the primae/zephyr etc ooooooooor if it indeed can be built, would be nice
Mr SHADO	Posted - 2010.12.09 22:14:00 - [116] Full details and video of the ship here http://forum.eve-toolbar.net/showthread.php/491-2010-Holiday-Ship-The-CONCORD-Echelon
Mibad Sickle Moon	Posted - 2010.12.09 22:15:00 - [117] There was lots of hype about this secret present that "Everyone would want". Turns out its less than disappointing. In reality it just looks pretty and has no uses. Station spinning FTW? Why couldn't the artists put the effort towards reskinning ships that you guys promised you would do every expansion starting with the Scorpion? I mean this ship looks great and everything, but its pretty much useless outside of well, looking at it.
Soldarius Caldari Independent Coalition DEM0N HUNTERS	Posted - 2010.12.09 22:27:00 - [118] I also feel a bit underwhelmed. Free is free. But since most secure containers (hacking required to open) spawn rats, and with only the one mid slot for the specific hacking module, this ship is literally useless. You will never be able to use it for its intended purpose. Even with a sizeable escort, the rats still spawn right on top of you. With frigate hp and destroyer sig, they will have you breathing vacuum as soon as they open fire. Here's hoping for a useful production version in the near future! Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed."
zcar300 Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.09 22:28:00 - [119] Originally by: Mr LaForge Edited by: Mr LaForge on 09/12/2010 21:30:01 The concept picture looks far better than the actual model. And its not even a real white color, its more of a light gray. HAHA I thought the same thing. And people, it's a "Christmas gift". Think of it like getting one of those fancy collectible knives from your grandfather. Yes it has a blade but it's not very sharp and if you loose it you can't just go to walmart and get an other. If they want to add a usable ship they will in a patch or something. And remember, we are getting one or two player designed ships soon.
Abramul	Posted - 2010.12.09 22:31:00 - [120] Originally by: Mibad There was lots of hype about this secret present that "Everyone would want". Turns out its less than disappointing. In reality it just looks pretty and has no uses. Station spinning FTW? Why couldn't the artists put the effort towards reskinning ships that you guys promised you would do every expansion starting with the Scorpion? I mean this ship looks great and everything, but its pretty much useless outside of well, looking at it. Now that you mention it, "We've Scorpified the Dominix and Typhoon" would've been awesome.

Kaya Divine Gallente Kittens Factory	Posted - 2010.12.09 22:36:00 - [121] What is this JUNK? It have a nice hull, but that is all. It is useless. Actually if you dont share it at all, I believe nobody would complain. I cant believe that EvE is so buggless and without any kind of issues, that you can design and implement yet another useless ship in EvE for fun. And not to mention that you are moving human resources from EvE to Dust, which is of no interest to us. Shoot your shot...
Monalisa Bastone	Posted - 2010.12.09 22:38:00 - [122] Thank you CCP. I know this isn't going to be the best ship in Eve. I wouldn't expect a free gift from you to be the end all be all of internetz spaceshipz but it is useful. Some hack sites don't have rats and this will increase my chances of occasionally finding something special with it. Again, thanks for the free ship and Merry Xmas CCP!
Cailais Amarr Random Pirate's	Posted - 2010.12.09 22:43:00 - [123] (Sad to see so many ungrateful spoilt douchebags on here....) Thank you for the gift for Christmas CCP ; have a great holiday season with your friends & family. C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Dalilus	Posted - 2010.12.09 23:05:00 - [124] Pretty and useless. Waiting for the useful version to make a showing.
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Waterboard	Posted - 2010.12.09 23:37:00 - [125] Originally by: Cailais (Sad to see so many ungrateful spoilt douchebags on here....) my thoughs. No presents next year. Thank you CCP
Darth Sith Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2010.12.09 23:53:00 - [126] Originally by: Cailais (Sad to see so many ungrateful spoilt douchebags on here....) Thank you for the gift for Christmas CCP ; have a great holiday season with your friends & family. C. I think it is a case of shiny is nice but I am willing to bet that a lot of folks would have rathered seen a re-done popular hull (like maybe raven / mega / apoc / geddon ..etc) instead of wasting the developers time on a rather useless ship that maybe 1% of the population will even make use of on a "try it out basis". There is a lot better use of time to be had .. gimme a real friggin cyno graphic for example..
StonerPhReaK Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.10 00:26:00 - [127] Edited by: StonerPhReaK on 10/12/2010 00:28:21 What good is a codebreaking range bonus when you still have to be within 2500m to open the container.... Though i am greatful.And weve been needing a hackin ship with bonus's.I stand by my previous comment.Hope it has a spare mid to throw on a AB since we will still need to get within opening range of container.
PhoenixDawn Gallente Forge Regional Security United Corporations Of Modern Eve	Posted - 2010.12.10 00:29:00 - [128] Originally by: StonerPhReaK What good is a codebreaking range bonus when you still have to be within 2500m to open the container.... Da Ding... give this guy a trophy. Completely pointless dust magnet.
Daan Sai Polytrope	Posted - 2010.12.10 00:44:00 - [129] Hey!!!!!!!!! Is this intended to crack Sansha locked containers for the Supercarrier BPC drops?? !!!!! Zephyr -- scout WH drones Echelon -- hack Sansha stuff Also, lol at ECHELON hacking net spy reference! Daan --------------------------------- Internet Submarines is Serious Business ---------------------------------
StonerPhReaK Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.10 00:45:00 - [130] Originally by: Krennel Darius Edited by: Krennel Darius on 09/12/2010 21:41:54 Do I have the option of trading it in for a snowball launcher and some snowballs? Can i have this option as well...I miss snowball fights in huge tradehubs..And the clearing of undocks at that time was priceless.

Katarin Savage Gallente azinko	Posted - 2010.12.10 01:07:00 - [131] Originally by: Mr SHADO Full details and video of the ship here http://forum.eve-toolbar.net/showthread.php/491-2010-Holiday-Ship-The-CONCORD-Echelon yep, useless... unless i sell it b4 the price plummets... ccp katarin savage ceo, azinko corp building a better future
Drone 16	Posted - 2010.12.10 01:16:00 - [132] The took my learning skills and all I got was this friggin' ship!!!
Infinion Caldari Endless Destruction Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2010.12.10 01:18:00 - [133] Originally by: Katarin Savage Originally by: Mr SHADO Full details and video of the ship here http://forum.eve-toolbar.net/showthread.php/491-2010-Holiday-Ship-The-CONCORD-Echelon yep, useless... unless i sell it b4 the price plummets... ccp for you maybe :)
SamuelAdams Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.12.10 01:22:00 - [134] Well, since I dont know foxface about codebrakeing I guess I get a free shuttle.
Nebkhat	Posted - 2010.12.10 01:35:00 - [135] Edited by: Nebkhat on 10/12/2010 01:36:27 Thanks Santa! Any stats yet? I see them above after posting.
Gaetring Xana Amarr Unstable Reaction Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.10 01:47:00 - [136] Nice one Lokto!
Zorok LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2010.12.10 01:50:00 - [137] A hacking ship is nice but I'm guessing that it will be useless for the places I go to hack because when you successfully hack an encryption item, many times, rats will show up and I somehow don't think they will overlook a ship that has no weapon slots.
Aquana Abyss	Posted - 2010.12.10 02:33:00 - [138] Looks great! I hope it can at least fit a propulsion mod? Please also tell me the Tornado from the art contest is not next years present (or some alliance trophy!).
Eillara Hinorlin	Posted - 2010.12.10 03:21:00 - [139] Sexy, sexy little boat. I love the design a lot! Sure, maybe not the most useful thing, but hey, it's cool looking, and I for one will enjoy taking it for a spin now and then. But I definitely do hope CCP pulls a Primae->Noctis deal with this, because damn, that is seriously an awesome looking frigate. Props to the art team! Merry Christmas CCP! When Incarna comes out, I'm hoping for Santa hats!
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.12.10 03:40:00 - [140] Originally by: Darth Sith I think it is a case of shiny is nice but I am willing to bet that a lot of folks would have rathered seen a re-done popular hull (like maybe raven / mega / apoc / geddon ..etc) instead of wasting the developers time on a rather useless ship that maybe 1% of the population will even make use of on a "try it out basis". There is a lot better use of time to be had .. gimme a real friggin cyno graphic for example.. I guess you didn't want the Noctis either, amiright?

TorTorden Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.10 04:07:00 - [141] Originally by: CCP Loktofeit Edited by: CCP Loktofeit on 09/12/2010 15:28:42 The stats of the Echelon are fairly equal to an average T1 frigate, except that it can only fit one module and no rigs. The module itself is similar to a T1 codebreaker, except it has twice the range and an eight-second cycle time. Basic rule of gamedesign, if it's free it's also functionaly useless. Let the art department make some real ships and not these limited issue shuttles. I'd rather have test server geddon day with free titans dor everyone :) ------------------------------------------------ There is no such thing as good or evil. Just an egotistic struggle for self empowerment. ------------------------------------------------
JcJet Caldari Pretenders Inc Tower of Dark Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.10 05:00:00 - [142] ROFL A building with engines? a flying house? ---
Frosteye	Posted - 2010.12.10 05:26:00 - [143] Edited by: Frosteye on 10/12/2010 05:27:27 CCP: Thanks for the gift! Beautiful ship!!! Hoping this one isn't a limited edition. Still though - THANK YOU! Happy Holidays! EVE is a great game. Also - please to all the negative nancy's out there...yes it will be pretty much functionless (most likely) but it is like the old saying goes - "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth." Someone worked really hard on this ship and yes EVE has other issues but new ships are never a bad thing even if they do just sit in your hangar. Personally though - I think this thing will be somehow useful in hacking the cans for the Supercarrier BPC. So bring your REP gangs with you to the Sansha sites kiddies, because I bet a million isk this ship will be the key to getting it. Just a thought before you go bad mouthing it more.
Kralizek Kharr	Posted - 2010.12.10 05:30:00 - [144] LOL, what are you all getting excited about... a new ship which what...will be sitting in your hangar just for the sake of it???, is anybody using zephyr or noctis? Please CCP if you trying to make it up with something for the christmas let's not make it with something like that cause it is insulting us!
Mikail Assimov	Posted - 2010.12.10 06:10:00 - [145] nice looking ship-thanks. maybe i will take the time to learn how to hack stuff.Pretty design CCP. Would you consider snowballs for us this Christmas Season. regards Mikail
Conrad Makbure Gallente Teutonic Brotherhood	Posted - 2010.12.10 06:42:00 - [146] Edited by: Conrad Makbure on 10/12/2010 06:43:32 It's almost as if they're catering to the multi-account holders and giving the single account customers the finger at the same time...think about it. For a multi-account holder, just put this thing on approach to your real ship and your main pilot will escort it to the object getting hacked or whatever. That could work. Now, for us regular folk who made the sensible decision to get one account, this is not very feasable. I mean, you can't be serious with this thing? A T1 frigate with 1 module slot?????!? Look, I understand, clear the site and come back to get it, but jesus, we travel, many jumps. This thing can't defend it's self. Does it have a large drone bay we don't know about?? What should have happened is this ship should have been equal to the rookie ship, in fitting and stats and then given a slight buff across the board in addition to this special module slot. So, we'd get one on redeem and from here on out, this ship becomes the default rookie ship that the insurance company gives you if you loose a ship - for all customers who redeemed this item durring the redemption period. That would have been a better idea. -Makbure
Rasz Lin Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.12.10 06:53:00 - [147] garbage, instant WTS
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.12.10 07:02:00 - [148] Hey ccp.. I'm confused... will sansha engage this ship? If they will there is no way they will survive.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.12.10 07:41:00 - [149] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 10/12/2010 07:43:31 Originally by: Frosteye Edited by: Frosteye on 10/12/2010 05:27:27 CCP: Thanks for the gift! Beautiful ship!!! Hoping this one isn't a limited edition. Still though - THANK YOU! Happy Holidays! EVE is a great game. Also - please to all the negative nancy's out there...yes it will be pretty much functionless (most likely) but it is like the old saying goes - "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth." Someone worked really hard on this ship and yes EVE has other issues but new ships are never a bad thing even if they do just sit in your hangar. Personally though - I think this thing will be somehow useful in hacking the cans for the Supercarrier BPC. So bring your REP gangs with you to the Sansha sites kiddies, because I bet a million isk this ship will be the key to getting it. Just a thought before you go bad mouthing it more. Yes the ship looks fine and interesting. Fitting for a hacking ship. I'll still look the gift horse in the mount since CCP themselves make a huge deal about how hard and time consuming it is to make new ships for the game or talk about how new ships from the next design a ship contest can't likely be added before 2012, because the art teams have so much to do. This is why I want every hull added to the game to have some kind of real function and people need to be able to make more. It means new designs that are only used for hangar ornaments are in fact bad. Now on to the said function. Are you seriously suggesting this will be mandatory to getting the BPC from a downed sansha SC drop? That would turn this ship from a "meh, nothing special but nice" to epic fail. Is one player supposed to sit in this and just wait doing nothing while the rest of the team kills the SC and enjoys a good fight? That would be pretty horrible gamedesign. If it only does the hacking a bit better than a regular combat ship fitted for hacking, it remains useless, since those hacking sites are likely heavy combat areas. While fitted for hacking it can't fit guns, propulsion modules or a cloak, so it is just a killmail waiting to happen, that also provides a miserable gameplay experience to the poor sap tricked in to flying it. If anything your idea just provides even greater reasons for badmouthing it in it's current implementation.
Katy Ling Gallente Crimnson Concept Flame Care Factor	Posted - 2010.12.10 09:19:00 - [150] Originally by: Gun Hog Blueprints, CCP! BLUEPRINTS! Do not give us fish, CCP! Teach us how to get our own so that we may feed ourselves for a lifetime! I like my Primae. I like my Apotheosis. I would rather have the BP so I can actually undock with them! yep, another ship for the hangar collection =/ and probably won't even be decent at anything else either. not that people don't appreciate the fine effort ccp puts in making things, but it's much better when ccp makes a ship that can be very good at one thing, but also allows for other uses, like fitting a cloak, nano fitting or any other option, even if doesn't excels in it, because it allows the player to do creative things with that item, and enlarge the game experience fun. having said that, is the new ship any good (in allowing to fit things), or do we have to Waite for a bpo release of the new version that actually serves to do some useful thing !? (at least would be in high sec, and have less sad things like in the release of the noctis blueprint, in null.

Eastman Color	Posted - 2010.12.10 09:28:00 - [151] the **** is that?
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr GHF Corperation Confederacy of Protean Warriors	Posted - 2010.12.10 09:40:00 - [152] Thank you ccp! I will enjoy my new ship! Its butt ugly and totally useless but i love it! ________________________________________________ Tau - Yeah we suck in close combat. To bad you will never get there. For the greater good!! Quote: "I love Australia! Our spiders have health bars.
Pytria Le'Danness	Posted - 2010.12.10 09:45:00 - [153] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 10/12/2010 07:43:31 Originally by: Frosteye Personally though - I think this thing will be somehow useful in hacking the cans for the Supercarrier BPC. So bring your REP gangs with you to the Sansha sites kiddies, because I bet a million isk this ship will be the key to getting it. Just a thought before you go bad mouthing it more. : Now on to the said function. Are you seriously suggesting this will be mandatory to getting the BPC from a downed sansha SC drop? That would turn this ship from a "meh, nothing special but nice" to epic fail. Is one player supposed to sit in this and just wait doing nothing while the rest of the team kills the SC and enjoys a good fight? That would be pretty horrible gamedesign. ... The idea is actually excellent - not by using the ship itself, but either the specialized hacking module (if it can be respawned like the probe launcher from the Zephyr) or any hacking module at all. I agree with you that requiring this special ship would be a very bad move as it dooms one pilot to uselessness or forces boring and needless coordination of moving this ship and a combat ship to the site of the battle. But putting the MS BPC into a locked cannister that needs to be hacked solves one of my major gripes with that reward - that some guy finds the fleet, waits cloaked near the end boss, swipes the BPC and cloaks before anyone can target him (remember, that final battle likely requires some heavy firepower and has not much use for ships that can lock a CovOps before it recloaks). If you need to hack the can before you can loot it the fleet that was fighting has a chance to lock the hacker and kill it - thus it offers the opportunity to steal the BPC, but gives the folks who did the work a chance to actually keep it. Of course the guy looting it can still corp-steal it, but with the hacking it does not become a contest of who loads the can contents fastest and has the fastest reaction on the mouse. As for the ship itself, I follow the "Oh dear, another hangar spinning toy" crowd. It looks great, but in addition to killmail-hungry gankers it is threatened by the very job it is designed for. Not only do many hacking cans spawn NPCs, some explode. Without tanking module you might be in a pod too soon. And as others said, if you switch ships around you might as well take a real ship there - heck, any frigate does a better job. I like freebies as much as anyone, but I wish the time spent making this ship would have been used for something that serves a better job improving this game. Let's all hope for a Noctis-like turn of event, the model is too pretty to collect dust in a hangar. Still, even though it is a bit disapointing I give a hearty "Thank You" to CCP. Even if you did not hit my expectation full on you at least thought of me and spent the time to make it. So, thanks :)
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.12.10 10:52:00 - [154] We started out good. The Apotheosis: There is always a time when you want to use a shuttle and getting a stylish one was a great idea. Further, getting one for every character and not account meant that there are plenty to go around in the rare event one should get popped. To ok The Zephyr: Very practical for scouting Sleeper sites in w-space and has helped me immensely in exploring the different sites. I heard good stories about parking one next to a big mean Sleeper swarm and wait for somebody to probe you out. To what theà? The Primae: A ship with even more limited usability that a low tier tech 1 industrial? I would never fly this ship for practical usage. To nononoà The Echelon: This ship has no protection or mechanisms to hide from the hostiles that will surely be around guarding whatever it is supposed to hack. Add to this that hacking has a nasty tendency to trigger spawns of more hostiles just next to you. Not only would I never fly this ship for practical usage, as others are far better suited, but even if I did it would by all chances get destroyed in the process. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Myyona Minmatar Ataraxia Pharmacies	Posted - 2010.12.10 11:07:00 - [155] While I am in great support of more civilian or non-combat orientated ships it seems bit silly to force them into situations where they in no way can manage their task. The Echelon looks to me like some funky science vessel how about it did something to that extent? Like a mining support frigate; comes outfitted with a mining laser/analyzer. Except it does not mine anything at all, instead it increase the mining rate of all other mining devices on the asteroid it is activated upon. With little (a couple of scout drones) to no defenses by its own it has to be constantly on the lookout for pirates. With low skill requirements to fly it will encourage interaction between rooky and veteran miners. --- Myyona CEO, Ataraxia Pharmacies ATAP Humanitarian aid effort
Hakkar'al Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.10 11:38:00 - [156] Originally by: Orephia Originally by: CCP Loktofeit The advanced cryptographic processors on board provide superior hacking capabilities for use on most known password-secured devices. GSCs? Lol - that would be cool ...
Hakkar'al Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.10 11:53:00 - [157] Edited by: Hakkar''al Gallente on 10/12/2010 11:53:40 For once I'd enjoy MS-ish top posting; tl;dr version of thread: a/ Cool, thanks - and merry Christmas to you too; or b/ Cool, thanks, useless but we hope you will build on this line as in Primae->Noctis; or c/ whine, whine, whine, whine, whine .... signed - "Ungrateful sod"
Tergiminius Binary Star	Posted - 2010.12.10 12:08:00 - [158] Even better use for this ship would be the ability to hack an offline pos so we can go round and clean up empire and get some decent rewards doing it. It did say most known passworded devices so anything like GSC's etc should be possible. This would turn the ship from a useless turkey into something actually worth re-activating all those expired accounts for
raukosen	Posted - 2010.12.10 12:32:00 - [159] Yay Another piece of **** worthless ship whose only purpose is to get suicide ganked by artythrashers outside 4-4 Add something useful
Nuts Nougat SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.12.10 12:49:00 - [160] I don't see no engine trails/old cyno on that wallpaper! ---

Grouchtor Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.12.10 13:46:00 - [161] Imagine how excited everyone would have been if this was a properly armed faction frigate. ______________________________________________
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.12.10 13:56:00 - [162] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 10/12/2010 14:01:23 The work which went into creating this piece of art could have been better spent on either getting the contest BS finished earlier (and the 3 missing ones for the other races) OR by reworking all the other ships.. it's telling, that the actual Exequeror model wouldn't win a contest these days (same goes for Moa). Thanks for the free ship though. support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Janos Saal	Posted - 2010.12.10 14:33:00 - [163] What a useless piece of junk.
Claire Gally	Posted - 2010.12.10 15:05:00 - [164] Edited by: Claire Gally on 10/12/2010 15:06:04 Edited by: Claire Gally on 10/12/2010 15:05:52 I dont get it... what would be wrong with making these ships "normal" ships with the same added "goodies" ? Even with a slot layout and stats on-par with mere T1 frigates (and hell, why not even higher, after all it's a limited-edition ship after all), it would start being enjoyable to fly, because you could use it, in a limited extent, for other things than its sole original job. But, as it is, being able to only fit one specific module meant for a very, very, very specific action, makes the ship OVER-dedicated to said particular job, and nothing else... Ends up being quite useless for 99.99% of the players population. Anyway... Frigate hull, so it's something I appreciate (would have prefered being actually able to use it for something, but oh well) Anyway... back to work! Claire
Starfall Achura	Posted - 2010.12.10 16:14:00 - [165] Its a nice ship for sure, I really like the spinning "scanner dish". Lets hope CCP does the same for this ship as with the primae and makes a player made variant. Merry x-mas CCP and all of Eve
Kazini Jax Gallente Starlight Operations Starlight Network	Posted - 2010.12.10 16:42:00 - [166] Guess most of us players were bad kid this year cause all we're getting is a lump of coal. Seriously, CCP. I love you, love where you're tryin to go with the game, but.. Xmas present? For most of the people that get this ship it will be useless. What is the point of a Xmas present that most of your playerbase can't/won't use? Try to create presents that satisfy more of your userbase otherwise just give nothing at all. A primae that can't even come close to what one has to move around in PI most of the time. The Echelon which looks like it will have a singular use to a small portion of the playerbase? Also, regarding the Sansha Invasions. I play almost every day (yes, I like the game that much). But it seems because I live in the US (please don't hold that against me) that the closest I have been able to get to one of these invasions is 4 hours after it started. Not to mention how daily restarts for refreshing the universe often screws those who can't get on til much later. I know, you're working on removing daily downtimes, I just had to whine. Kazini Jax
SillyWaif Galactic Kingdom	Posted - 2010.12.10 16:52:00 - [167] oh.. CCP thank you, thank you, thank you [/sarcasm] First you promise to take away my perfect learning skills so i end up with less and now i get another ship to spin with in station ...
Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.12.10 17:53:00 - [168] Originally by: Jowen Datloran We started out good. The Apotheosis: There is always a time when you want to use a shuttle and getting a stylish one was a great idea. Further, getting one for every character and not account meant that there are plenty to go around in the rare event one should get popped. To ok The Zephyr: Very practical for scouting Sleeper sites in w-space and has helped me immensely in exploring the different sites. I heard good stories about parking one next to a big mean Sleeper swarm and wait for somebody to probe you out. To what theà? The Primae: A ship with even more limited usability that a low tier tech 1 industrial? I would never fly this ship for practical usage. To nononoà The Echelon: This ship has no protection or mechanisms to hide from the hostiles that will surely be around guarding whatever it is supposed to hack. Add to this that hacking has a nasty tendency to trigger spawns of more hostiles just next to you. Not only would I never fly this ship for practical usage, as others are far better suited, but even if I did it would by all chances get destroyed in the process. You forgot the noctis already? please put something "NEW" in like "ECM SHIPS" that fool your electronics by showing up on scan as say a Wolf, but really they are Somewhere between Falcons and Vagas. Hoppit!
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.12.10 18:09:00 - [169] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 10/12/2010 18:10:59 Originally by: Spurty You forgot the noctis already? I did not forget the Noctis, the same way I did not forget the Orca or any other ship that has been released with blueprints on the market and never as a limited amount "present". Besides, the Noctis has a well defined purpose that it manages very well. In fact, a surprise release of a functional ship like the Noctis with blueprints and everything would be a much better present. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Louella Dougans Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.12.10 18:18:00 - [170] It says how it uses Sansha things and incorporates them and stuff like that? Like this? ? Be A Space Nun! It's Fun!!

Veliria	Posted - 2010.12.10 18:27:00 - [171] As much as I love a holiday ship, what is the purpose of this one? You can't scan with it so trying to find hackable sites solo with it is out the window. So you need a scanner ship to first find the site. Since 95% of all Radar sites have significant amount of rats defending them, you either need a T3 with the scanning subsystem to do it all in one ship, or you need to switch to a combat boat once you find the site. So why use the Echelon once you find the site? It can't defend itself, containers can't be looted while it has guards and any regular combat ship can easily swap a mid for a regular codebreaker and kill the guards. One option would be to give it the ability to not get shot at by rats (not just Sansha otherwise Amarr space exploration would become pointless) and to be able to loot the cans while they have guards. You'd still need to scan the site and you'd be vulnerable to others, but atleast it would have SOME purpose.
Hammering Hank Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.10 20:36:00 - [172] Originally by: Karim alRashid Echelon should have been reserved for some covert eavesdropping type of ship. Do you think anyone, other than me, got your reference to the US government's listening system? (T)Hank(s)
Drone 16	Posted - 2010.12.10 20:59:00 - [173] Do you think anyone, other than me, got your reference to the US government's listening system? Dear Hammering Hank, You just made the list...we are now listening to you. Sincerely, US govt
Hardreign Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.10 21:28:00 - [174] Edited by: Hardreign on 10/12/2010 21:30:03 Edited by: Hardreign on 10/12/2010 21:28:53 Originally by: CCP Spitfire CCP Loktofeit describes the second part of this yearÆs Christmas present, the CONCORD Echelon ship. This hull is brilliant, you have my endorsement to flesh out an entire fleet of Concord ships for Capsuleer consumption. What else will I spend my hard earned Concorde LP on?
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.10 21:36:00 - [175] Guys. Primae? Noctis? Concord Frigate? Incursions? Concord LP Store? The math ain't hard. \|24 Hour Plex\|Mining Makeover\|
Minor Alice	Posted - 2010.12.10 22:49:00 - [176] I kinda like it - not the prettiest of ships to look at but some designs aren't anyway. if the sisi stats are right for it i would have thought we would have gotten something more solid , i personally won't be using it but at least CCP are trying to give us something we can use. so...... thanx
L'Howen Pendragon Gallente Light Of Death Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.11 00:00:00 - [177] Hey CCP! I want a ship that actually has some use for free... this is a hacking ship that any real 0.0 or low sec pilot would never be caught dead in. Obviously because if they are caught in it they are dead. Give me the BS, or anything else... we give you enough $$ each month, how about instead of trying to fix lag that never seems to go away you give us a ship that actually has some solid functionality. Hell I'm still waiting for a ship that actually is a benefit for it's race... I've yet to see it but so be it. Guess I will have to wait for next year.
Budsin Adar	Posted - 2010.12.11 00:34:00 - [178] Yeah free stuff. again but will it have fittings or rigs or both that we can choose??Some how post this Charles.... I forgot to post the ship i sent in too. I did not see that till i sent it in. hmm I still hope this ship has a pool.... or something cool Peace and fly safe.
Mamba Lev Masturbating Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.12.11 08:13:00 - [179] Just thought, if it has a shuttle sized cargo bay it is ****ing useless, as Radar sites usually yield 300m3 upwards which means you need another ship to scoop the loot, it would be more usefull if you could fit it properly, or just given us all a faction codebreaker we could use on any ship..
111kartel111	Posted - 2010.12.11 13:39:00 - [180] Edited by: 111kartel111 on 11/12/2010 13:41:50 Thank you CCP for a wounderful christmas present and I wish everyone there and everyone on these forums a merry christmas and a happy new year. PS: I would remind everyone that its not the value of the gift thats important its the thought that has the real meaning.

zandayus	Posted - 2010.12.11 13:57:00 - [181] would like to see all the other ship design concepts they had before they agreed on this one.just another to add to my hanagar collection.might take it out for for my Eve wallpaper collection.well back to mining asteriods........
L'Howen Pendragon Gallente Light Of Death Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.11 14:47:00 - [182] Originally by: 111kartel111 Edited by: 111kartel111 on 11/12/2010 13:41:50 Thank you CCP for a wounderful christmas present and I wish everyone there and everyone on these forums a merry christmas and a happy new year. PS: I would remind everyone that its not the value of the gift thats important its the thought that has the real meaning. There is a difference between a gift that is useful and another that is either a re-gift, refine fodder, or storage never to see space... CCP has created a niche ship that will be useless to 99% of the people in this game.
Rezard Minmatar Fornax Chemica	Posted - 2010.12.11 16:51:00 - [183] Another useless ship, at least snowball caused a lot of fun, this is like opening your presents on xmas and seeing a bunch of clothes... "Here, this t-shirt has a +5% bonus to doing your new chores I justc reated for you, good day sir!"
Izkhanilov Epsilon Manufacturing	Posted - 2010.12.11 17:11:00 - [184] Sweet Jesus it's hideous
Lone Provider	Posted - 2010.12.11 22:06:00 - [185] *---===::: REALLY!!! :::===---* Well done CCP, a massive FAIL! again, ffs! Nice tease too, lets have a "create a starship contest"! Announce a winner, AND NOT USE WHEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AWESOME TO DO SO! When will you actually give us a decent gift, do you guys really think about this or just leave it to one person who doesn't even play EvE? KEEP IT!!!
Starfall Achura	Posted - 2010.12.11 22:42:00 - [186] Oh for the love of Pete!!!! Do you guys really think CCP is going to give every subscriber a ship that has stats that can meaningfully effect game play? This is just a little trinket to introduce an aspect of Incursion,(as the Primae was to PI) and at the same time give us a collectible gift. Stop whining and be appreciative of the good material they produce, I am sure we will see a further incarnation of the Echelon in the coming months. Merry X-mas p.s. I hear WoW gives out little bears that follow you around, on special occasions...
L'Howen Pendragon Gallente Light Of Death Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.11 23:19:00 - [187] Originally by: Starfall Achura Oh for the love of Pete!!!! Do you guys really think CCP is going to give every subscriber a ship that has stats that can meaningfully effect game play? This is just a little trinket to introduce an aspect of Incursion,(as the Primae was to PI) and at the same time give us a collectible gift. Stop whining and be appreciative of the good material they produce, I am sure we will see a further incarnation of the Echelon in the coming months. Merry X-mas p.s. I hear WoW gives out little bears that follow you around, on special occasions... The ship is doing nothing to affect anything in Incursion, it brings nothing to the game at all. All it will be is a noob ship that will make the noobs feel all powerful till they realize they will loose it the first time they undock and bring it into low or nul sec. They should make a ship that not everyone can fly out of the box with a one skill training to sit in it. Give one of the new ships to the people, make it that they will receive one of the new ships depending on their race. Mim will receive the mim ship, gal will receive one of their own, etc... noobs will have something to work towards, those older characters will be able to use them, and choose to keep it or not. Now that would be a Christmas present worth having. Not the ship they are offering.
Saderakh Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.12.12 00:16:00 - [188] I checked out the vid shot of the ship. It looks cool. It does kinda remind me of a frog with one broken leg though, if u see from a good angle :D [url=http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1390541][/url]
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.12 01:22:00 - [189] If I may be so bold, while I can appreciate the idea behind the Echelon, and the Zephyr, for that matter, I find these rather, um, useless when they're just collector's items, and can't be built. You lose your shiny ship, you're done for, permanently. So, personally, I rather welcome ships like the Noctis: ships that are buildable, and replacable. --
Gant Grief	Posted - 2010.12.12 14:05:00 - [190] Originally by: Ranka Mei So, personally, I rather welcome ships like the Noctis: ships that are buildable, and replacable. The Noctis isn't free :facepalm:

L'Howen Pendragon Gallente Light Of Death Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.12 15:19:00 - [191] Originally by: Gant Grief Originally by: Ranka Mei So, personally, I rather welcome ships like the Noctis: ships that are buildable, and replacable. The Noctis isn't free :facepalm: Thankfully.
Argus Kell Gallente Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2010.12.12 17:27:00 - [192] I've briefly come onto the forums recently and seen that no matter what conversation starts everybody just ***es about the game all the fing time. "we want gifts", "not that gift, thats useless", "theres bots everywhere, get rid of bots", "you're not doing enough to get rid of bots", "CCP want bots cos it makes them money", etc. I just wish you all wouldn't be such an ungrateful bunch of ***s 24/7. You pay for the game 'as is'. Anything that is added through expansions, etc is bonus. If you don't like the game, stop paying for it. The reason you all criticise every single move this game makes and talk nonsense about it 'dying' all the time is because it isn't dying at all. Games that are actually dying have communities that scream about how amazing the game is and what can we do to save it. Stop acting like a bunch of spoilt brats and start appreciating an effort that didn't have to be made at all.
Syekuda Valor Inc. Valor Empire	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:39:00 - [193] so let me get this straight. CCP paid an employee or a team of employee so "create" or "design" (I call this puking if you ask me) a ship which will hang inside a hangar all it's life ? Seriously, most hacking sites will have NPC's and if that's the case, that little frig won't be able to defend itself. Why in the hell would I use it...or undock it as a matter a fact ? CCP, make it a combat frig at least which has the potential to defend itself against NPC cruisers at least. That way this frig could be used in hacking sites in high-sec...at the very least. If you ask me, make it a cruiser size and make sure it can defend itself against 1 battleship and a couple of battlecruisers. Remember, your talking about Sansha and Concord here, it's not idiot faction. On 1 side they got the ability to anal you and on the other side, you got the ****ed off race (high electronic and superior technology) and yet.... you give us this..tiny frig which will be killed in 1 shot ? go back to the drawing board please. ps: it's so useless I want to gank it so hard in high-sec -------------------------------------------------- Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ISAAC ASIMOV
ace234	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:12:00 - [194] Edited by: ace234 on 13/12/2010 00:15:17 What the hell do u ppl want it's a "free" ship your getting
Garekell	Posted - 2010.12.13 04:13:00 - [195] I want people to stop using 'text speech abbreviations' unless they are texting friends and not writing on a forum or other communications outside their cell phone world. Originally by: ace234 Edited by: ace234 on 13/12/2010 00:15:17 What the hell do u ppl want it's a "free" ship your getting
Tergiminius Binary Star	Posted - 2010.12.13 09:46:00 - [196] Originally by: ace234 Edited by: ace234 on 13/12/2010 00:15:17 What the hell do u ppl want it's a "free" ship your getting The point a lot of people here are trying to make is it's not a free ship, it took resources to design and implement, resources of dev time that could have been put to use getting stuff fixed in the game or worked on towards the incursion expansion. All these "free" items and "vanity" items we'll be getting in incarna are paid for using our monthly subscription fees.
Argus Kell Gallente Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2010.12.13 10:16:00 - [197] Originally by: Tergiminius Originally by: ace234 Edited by: ace234 on 13/12/2010 00:15:17 What the hell do u ppl want it's a "free" ship your getting The point a lot of people here are trying to make is it's not a free ship, it took resources to design and implement, resources of dev time that could have been put to use getting stuff fixed in the game or worked on towards the incursion expansion. All these "free" items and "vanity" items we'll be getting in incarna are paid for using our monthly subscription fees. I understand what you're saying but you're wrong. The items you have NOW are paid for using your monthly subscription. The items you 'will' be getting are bonus. Your subscription is that you subscribe to the game 'as is'. Thats all you're entitled to. If you get bored of 'as is' you can quit but CCP don't owe you anything. This is a bonus on top of the bonus of Incarna etc. Argus
Tergiminius Binary Star	Posted - 2010.12.13 10:23:00 - [198] I know nothing is owed but at the same time, all money paid in subs goes to pay their wages so whatever time is spent on bonus items has already been paid for with past subscription money. It's not like the devs come in unpaid and work on the stuff.
Argus Kell Gallente Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2010.12.13 10:48:00 - [199] Originally by: Tergiminius I know nothing is owed but at the same time, all money paid in subs goes to pay their wages so whatever time is spent on bonus items has already been paid for with past subscription money. It's not like the devs come in unpaid and work on the stuff. ThatÆs like saying that because you pay for a service from McDonalds (those delicious burgers) and that money is used to pay their employees then we can all band together and tell them what burgers to make. How CCP spend their money is none of your business. The bonus products (including the multitude of decent free expansions) are an extra that they choose to make because it improves their business. If they choose to spend the money collected via subscriptions to their virtual world making holiday videos that they then post here as the game falls to pieces then that is their prerogative. At the end of the day, like any Christmas gift, if you donÆt like it just suck it up, put on a polite smile and say thank you. The responses to this nice gesture in this thread are a look at peoplesÆ disgusting attitudes today. ThereÆs no effort made to be civil about it and this kind of rudeness is just so unnecessary.
John Triphammer	Posted - 2010.12.13 13:39:00 - [200] great design-very nice present! thank you ccp !!!! whats wrong with everybody? so many ppl whining and complaining?? hope santa forgets you for good this year. it doesnt fit in you personal gaming style? your gaming style is the one and only way the game is to be experienced? everybody else is a noob and looser? yeah-yeah. looks like some folks lost the ability to have fun. i¦ll put this ship to good use and it will gain me some isk.not much maybe as the "big ones" do in one kill- but well, i have fun my own way. Congrats to the designer who made this ship.excellent work.it adds a bit romanticism to this cold and harsh eve-universe.well done.

L'Howen Pendragon Gallente Phoenix Industries Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.13 15:21:00 - [201] Edited by: L''Howen Pendragon on 13/12/2010 15:21:48 Originally by: Argus Kell Originally by: Tergiminius Originally by: ace234 Edited by: ace234 on 13/12/2010 00:15:17 What the hell do u ppl want it's a "free" ship your getting The point a lot of people here are trying to make is it's not a free ship, it took resources to design and implement, resources of dev time that could have been put to use getting stuff fixed in the game or worked on towards the incursion expansion. All these "free" items and "vanity" items we'll be getting in incarna are paid for using our monthly subscription fees. I understand what you're saying but you're wrong. The items you have NOW are paid for using your monthly subscription. The items you 'will' be getting are bonus. Your subscription is that you subscribe to the game 'as is'. Thats all you're entitled to. If you get bored of 'as is' you can quit but CCP don't owe you anything. This is a bonus on top of the bonus of Incarna etc. Argus If they paid someone out of pocket instead of with the money they get from our monthly/yearly fees then you are right... but since we know they aren't doing that, we have a right as subscribers to *****.
Lone Provider	Posted - 2010.12.13 15:57:00 - [202] O.K! I may not sound appreciative, but......its useless to a majority of players! Question- For Christmas would you give a blind person a beautiful painting or a best seller book with no brail? For Christmas would you give a deaf person the latest music cd? For Christmas would you give a person with no legs or feet a pair of designer shoes? NO!!! You wouldn't because you realise it would be ***** USELESS for them! And if you did it would just look like your taking the **! Thats the point!
John Triphammer	Posted - 2010.12.13 18:33:00 - [203] haha! thast hillarious !! :D "i dont like my present-i got rights to have a better present... and so on !!" jeez!
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.12.13 19:08:00 - [204] CCP, Thank you very much for all of the freebies received during the past few years. It's always nice to get an unexpected gift, especially for Christmas. I like collecting 'Special' limited run items so this new ship is greatly appreciated. Seems some of the players would have been much happier if they had received a Toy instead of a Tool they can use. Now don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed having the Snowball Launcher fitted on a Rookie ship and having Snowball fights with friends or shooting Snowballs at other players ships while sitting at a Jump gate. I even shot some Snowballs at Concord ships. That's probably the only time players were allowed to engage Concord without any retribution or aggression from them. I'm sure there's a lot of players as well as myself that have been waiting for a random Cold Energy Wave to pass through the Eve Universe and refreeze the old melted Snowballs as well as resupply us with some more new frozen Snowballs. Is there a small chance of Eve getting another 'White Christmas' this year? Anyway, I like this new direction CCP is going with the game. I look forward to seeing more new and exciting changes as well as new items being introduced into Eve in the future. Merry Christmas to everyone, DMC
GeoBlue	Posted - 2010.12.13 21:26:00 - [205] Well Merry Christmas and thanks CCP for a new ship. Now can you please explain how were to use this thing??
L'Howen Pendragon Gallente Phoenix Industries Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:18:00 - [206] Originally by: GeoBlue Well Merry Christmas and thanks CCP for a new ship. Now can you please explain how were to use this thing?? The same way we have used the other niche ships... as something we store in our hangers and never to be seen by daylight again.
David Eastwick Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:30:00 - [207] nice looking design thank you and merry christmass ** Signature ** join our corp at Corp homepage and fun zone
Lochdanan	Posted - 2010.12.14 13:11:00 - [208] so, has anyone actually recieved their ship yet? I'm on a full account, i logged in this morning, and there is no item redeem option anywhere that i could find. and yes, i looked at the blog page to make sure i was looking in the right area. just curious as to if it has been released yet, or still too early in the day.
Roy Cambell	Posted - 2010.12.14 14:04:00 - [209] Nothing yet for me atlest, cant wait :D
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.12.14 16:24:00 - [210] If you went up to the average EVE player on the street and handed him a ten dollar bill, he'd spit on you and call you an idiot for not giving him a c-note. What a bunch of ingrates. I, for one, thank you CCP for another interesting gift this year. Mr Epeen

Sol Foundry	Posted - 2010.12.14 18:17:00 - [211] Seriously guys, chill out a bit. No one is forcing you to like your Christmas presents, but can you at least try to not make the people who gave them to you feel like crap for doing so? Honestly, It's embarrassing to read most of these posts. CCP, in all sincerity, thank you for the lovely ship. I will cherish it for as long as the gankers will allow me to.
L'Howen Pendragon Gallente Phoenix Industries Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.14 18:23:00 - [212] Originally by: Sol Foundry Seriously guys, chill out a bit. No one is forcing you to like your Christmas presents, but can you at least try to not make the people who gave them to you feel like crap for doing so? Honestly, It's embarrassing to read most of these posts. CCP, in all sincerity, thank you for the lovely ship. I will cherish it for as long as the gankers will allow me to. CCP Knows exactly what type of people play this game... they know what sells and what is being played in the market as well as what is being flown. The ship offered is not one of those kinds of ships. This ship looks like an idea that came about while drinking goldschlager... an interesting idea, but nothing that the average user could ever use. Hell give me a snowball launcher and I'll be happy.
devonii	Posted - 2010.12.14 18:46:00 - [213] I did complain about the learning skills going away (not that they are going away, but "how" they are going away). This, on the other hand, is a GIFT. It's not a gift like learning skills where they are taking something away and giving you a replacement...it's a real gift. While I don't personally think the looks are stunning, I look forward to having it in my collection and spinning it my hangar at least once or twice. CCP...my sincere thanks. (BTW, I REALLY, REALLY like the Zephyr..by far one of the coolest ships to spin.) For those of you complaining about this...you can donate your ship to me. Feel free to contract this, and any other ship you would like to get rid of. I'm also open to meeting you at any high sec location for an open trade window. :) Happy Holidays everyone!!!
Leon Gaff	Posted - 2010.12.14 18:47:00 - [214] Free gift is nice, if it has any use. If it just represents wasted manhours, then it¦s a slap in the face. Which is it, CCP?
Swidgen	Posted - 2010.12.14 22:12:00 - [215] I consider both of these "gifts" to be a slap in the face.
BitterSidekick	Posted - 2010.12.14 23:00:00 - [216] I really appreciate the gift, we pay for EvE, but some sort of gift is always nice. Its good that they give something.. for free.
David Eastwick Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.15 01:48:00 - [217] well its now the 15th and still no sign of the ship? can some one tell me what time zone UTC is in ? (GMT+1? -1? +6? -6?) ** Signature ** join our corp at Corp homepage and fun zone
L'Howen Pendragon Gallente Phoenix Industries Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.15 04:00:00 - [218] Originally by: BitterSidekick I really appreciate the gift, we pay for EvE, but some sort of gift is always nice. Its good that they give something.. for free. If we pay for something, and get something the majority of us never will use, that's not a gift, that's a slap in the face.
Terrorform Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.15 04:01:00 - [219] Originally by: David Eastwick well its now the 15th and still no sign of the ship? can some one tell me what time zone UTC is in ? (GMT+1? -1? +6? -6?) UTC = GMT :)
Mayham Jack Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.15 06:26:00 - [220] Well to help you out if its 4 am Central TZ US then its 10 am UTC or other words eve time you can do the math to figure out in your TZ

Dorn Val	Posted - 2010.12.15 08:08:00 - [221] Thanks for the ship CCP! The textures on the Noctis look great, and I'm looking forward to seeing what your designers have done with the Echelon! One a similar note: Please turn your design team loose on the rest of the ships in the game -would really like to see more of them updated!
TheAccontant	Posted - 2010.12.15 10:23:00 - [222] Originally by: David Eastwick well its now the 15th and still no sign of the ship? can some one tell me what time zone UTC is in ? (GMT+1? -1? +6? -6?) You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA?
Bree Azul	Posted - 2010.12.15 11:17:00 - [223] Originally by: David Eastwick well its now the 15th and still no sign of the ship? can some one tell me what time zone UTC is in ? (GMT+1? -1? +6? -6?) seriously? have you been playing more than a day its gmt and also "gametime" of eve. This question is answered every down time.
Aphrodite Skripalle Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2010.12.15 11:44:00 - [224] Thanks for the nice looking ship. I gonna put it to my collection. Hopefully the hull will be of use in future ship types.
Winnabago Warrior	Posted - 2010.12.15 12:29:00 - [225] Originally by: DJ DeLaMuerta Its a nice ship and once again the Art team have done a super job however... Its yet another free ship that will get very limited use but yet has taken as much time to design as if you were to add in a full combat, market bound ship. We have had a lot of free ships in the last few years but few new additions to the line up and none to the standard T1 listings that have some glaring holes. What about Tier 2&3&4 Destroyers, a ship class thats almost completely useless now we have a dedicated salvage ship. What about Tier 3&4 Battlecruisers, probably the most popular class in eve and yet we have are sorely lacking in choice. What about Tier 4 BS, think how much salivating and joy a new BS for each race would bring. What about all the faction ships we are missing such as faction BC and Destroyers, that would add much more depth to the game instead of just the ones that have not been added to in many years. While i love the gesture of all these free ships i would much rather the time was put into developing and expanding the regular ships we use every day. We have had so little changes/additions in recent years that things are getting quite stagnant and the addition of meaning full combat ships (particularity accessible T1 ones) would be so warmly received that i am surprised we have been left waiting so long tbh. Thanks though tis a nice ship. /signed
Joss56 Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.15 12:40:00 - [226] Originally by: TheAccontantYou do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA?[/quote This one goes to my sign I will just add "/Uk" ________________________________________________ "You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
Axel Strom	Posted - 2010.12.15 13:10:00 - [227] Edited by: Axel Strom on 15/12/2010 13:13:06 Originally by: L'Howen Pendragon CCP Knows exactly what type of people play this game... Then they should know that Eve players in general don't want a ship they'll never use. Now, if it was shaped like a *** most of us would probably be ecstatic... ...Actually, on that note CCP, could you please make a ship that really closely resembles a *** so I don't have to listen to corpies going on about how other ships look like one when they really, really don't? Anywhoo..... Yeah, while it's nice to get something for nothing, I don't mean to be horrible, but this ship does seem pretty pointless from what I can tell of it so far. The only use I'm likely to have for it is selling it to some mad collector for an extortionate price once gankers have blown up everyone else's BEWILDERED EDIT: Wow, ***** is censored on this site? Since when was that a profanity? What would you prefer I call it? Phallus? Membrum virile?
Joss56 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.12.15 13:16:00 - [228] Originally by: Sol Foundry Seriously guys, chill out a bit. No one is forcing you to like your Christmas presents, but can you at least try to not make the people who gave them to you feel like crap for doing so? Honestly, It's embarrassing to read most of these posts. This It seams Eve is a mature community, well, then some should take a look at "wow" forums, it's the same shame lvl 10years old "i want it nao!!" ________________________________________________ "You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
Rawls Canardly	Posted - 2010.12.15 13:52:00 - [229] Suggestion: Turn this model into a production item... off-racial combat ships would be spiffy :) Perhaps as some sort of assault frigate with a bonus to tackle strength? (ie. +20% point strength per level of Assault Frigate, and a buff on whichever weapon type CONCORD tends to use) CONCORD is notorious for being inescapable, after all. and yes, it would require Assault Frigates to be trained up, making it a T2 boat. Perhaps something like this: CONCORD "Ordination" class Assault Frigate (REQUIRES ASSAULT FRIGATES 5 to compensate for lack of racial frigate requirement) Bonuses: 20% bonus to warp jammer strength per AF level, 7.5% bonus to hybrid turret damage per level (or whatever concord uses), 7.5% hybrid(whatever) turret tracking per level, 5% Hull resist per level (Yeah why not) Highs-5 (turrets 3, missiles 2)This causes the ship to have steeper requirements to fly properly. Mids-3 (standard MWD/Point/Web) Lows-4 (either an armor tank or a gank fit, to fit either DPS or Solo roles) enough powergrid/cpu to fit in the other assault frigs T2 resists, of course. The mids and lows could of course be swapped, perhaps a second CONCORD assault frigate?
max rift	Posted - 2010.12.15 14:17:00 - [230] Thanks CCP, i will stick this in my hangar with the other freebies in hope that one day i will have the only one and can then sell for billions, no wait trillions. damn just had a horrid thought "what if everyone else thinks the same" Max

Badaboom Badabing	Posted - 2010.12.15 14:26:00 - [231] If its free does it matter? You should be glad your getting owt cos half of you dont even deserve the steam off one of my dumps. Why should they give you anything at all??? You all want some free uber ship? This ones crap you say... then buy another type off the market with isk and stop being little girls crying over something in my eyes you dont even deserve in the first place. Bit of appreciation is nice to show when ur getting something from a gesture of goodwill didnt your parents teach you how to behave? Thankyou CCP! and Merry Christmas!
PyckenDame	Posted - 2010.12.15 14:29:00 - [232] Edited by: PyckenDame on 15/12/2010 14:29:46 Contrary to many post I've seen in this thread, I do think CCP knows the average EVE player,... We are hamsters. We like "having" stuff. And yes, I, as most of you, will not fly this ship. But then again I do not fly my hookbill, gila and all those other ships I wanted yet never flew. And even if we were to be given a nice pvp or uber carebear vessel, we still wouldn't fly it as we only get "1" So, my sincere thanks CCP for adding a nice looking ship to my collection. ps. we = most of us pps. CCP, if we get snowballs this year, could you please also give us a fridge?
Capsuleer Newton	Posted - 2010.12.15 14:34:00 - [233] Originally by: Kateryne Originally by: Aeo IV I like new ships and free stuff, but I wish CCP wouldn't focus so much effort in one-of-and-useless ships. This to be honest, as it sounds like it won't see much use outside of the new Sansha invasion mechanics, which aren't going to interest a majority of people anyway. How about something we could all use? Like a ship with bonuses to hacking, archaeology and scanning in general? A super-covert-ops frigate. ... or a laser crystal that do explosive and kinetic damage, or a missile that inflicts all damage type, an uber frig with a base resist of 90%.... or a turret-based weap that can insta-pop anything even concorde.... i want more...
David Eastwick Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:25:00 - [234] Originally by: TheAccontant Originally by: David Eastwick well its now the 15th and still no sign of the ship? can some one tell me what time zone UTC is in ? (GMT+1? -1? +6? -6?) You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA? Yes im aware theres other countrys, after all my arrogant little friend, i live in the UK this is where time is set Greenwich Mean Time GMT, however i have not come across UTC before so wanted to know what time zone it is in since when did not knowing and asking for information warrent a sarcastic remark like that? i suggest you dont read or reply to my threads or posts and we will get on great, same goes to people that thought his reply was funny. to those that have advised me that UTC is the same as GMT thank you, not sure why they have created a timezone for eve and set it the same as GMT that kinda confuses people but then i guess eve is a universe of its own (im guessing its Universal Time Code or some such) ** Signature ** join our corp at Corp homepage and fun zone
Croft Miner	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:33:00 - [235] Yay, now let me play! :D
Arom Wraelt	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:47:00 - [236] Edited by: Arom Wraelt on 15/12/2010 15:50:16
Arom Wraelt	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:50:00 - [237] Edited by: Arom Wraelt on 15/12/2010 15:51:07 Originally by: David Eastwick Originally by: TheAccontant Originally by: David Eastwick well its now the 15th and still no sign of the ship? can some one tell me what time zone UTC is in ? (GMT+1? -1? +6? -6?) You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA? Yes im aware theres other countrys, after all my arrogant little friend, i live in the UK this is where time is set Greenwich Mean Time GMT, however i have not come across UTC before so wanted to know what time zone it is in since when did not knowing and asking for information warrent a sarcastic remark like that? i suggest you dont read or reply to my threads or posts and we will get on great, same goes to people that thought his reply was funny. to those that have advised me that UTC is the same as GMT thank you, not sure why they have created a timezone for eve and set it the same as GMT that kinda confuses people but then i guess eve is a universe of its own (im guessing its Universal Time Code or some such) Hi, UTC is not a time zone made for eve, UTC is the time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time, which is not to be confused with GMT. Maybe this extract from Wikipedia will clarify this for you a bit more: "Though there are scientific differences (explained below) between "Coordinated Universal Time" and the time standard known as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) - in the very broadest sense as understood by non-scientists, "Coordinated Universal Time" in essence is Greenwich Mean Time (GMT). When times are listed as being "UTC" - this is de facto the equivalent of "GMT". UTC is used mostly on the web for well, coordinating time around the world. It is also used in "Network Time Protocol" or NTP. Now, back on topic... thanks for the purrdy new ship CCP! It's my favorite type of ship... FREE! Edit: Typos... ^_^
Prinz Panne	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:57:00 - [238] This message is to all fellow pilots who don¦t want to [have\|use] their cristmas ships: Please contract them to this character in exchange for an isk value of up to 100000 (0 isk is greatly appreciated and will be rewarded with a free and friendly christmas compliment - a rare and valuable thing in the harsh world we live in).
Phreakinout	Posted - 2010.12.15 16:36:00 - [239] Wow peeps, hate to be your parents ya lil ingrates! It's free! did u whine this much over the snowballs and launchers? Oh crap, ya you did.... anyhoo... seriously though, as a fellow hamster this is just fun to have and flip around in. Besides, you have no idea if this ship may come in use later for codebreaking in some update/release when u lil whiners will then complain that you can't do that part of the story or w/e cuz you didn't train the skill. CCP knows their players well and listens well. And this may in fact be a pre-emptive strike to gen pop stupidity. But alas... that very stupidity is what causes the current whining. Either way - a) free b)pretty/shiny c) if it wasn't this you'd whine abpout something else. That being said - tyvm CCP for giving something when nothing needed to be. Some of us appreciate a gesture at least (though i have kinda grown found of the bulbuous lil thing) Quote: PyckenDame on 15/12/2010 14:29:46 Contrary to many post I've seen in this thread, I do think CCP knows the average EVE player,... We are hamsters. We like "having" stuff. pps. CCP, if we get snowballs this year, could you please also give us a fridge? um yeah... melted snowballs from last year don't even make a nice splat on a hull :P a lil dorm fridge that can be placed in our domiciles this summer with Incarna..that'd be sweet! Quafe n strippers for all, and for all a good nite!
L'Howen Pendragon Gallente Phoenix Industries Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.15 19:12:00 - [240] Originally by: Axel Strom Edited by: Axel Strom on 15/12/2010 13:13:06 Originally by: L'Howen Pendragon CCP Knows exactly what type of people play this game... Then they should know that Eve players in general don't want a ship they'll never use. Now, if it was shaped like a *** most of us would probably be ecstatic... ...Actually, on that note CCP, could you please make a ship that really closely resembles a *** so I don't have to listen to corpies going on about how other ships look like one when they really, really don't? Anywhoo..... Yeah, while it's nice to get something for nothing, I don't mean to be horrible, but this ship does seem pretty pointless from what I can tell of it so far. The only use I'm likely to have for it is selling it to some mad collector for an extortionate price once gankers have blown up everyone else's BEWILDERED EDIT: Wow, *** is censored on this site? Since when was that a profanity? What would you prefer I call it? Phallus? Membrum virile? Honestly I'd be **ed off if I got a ship that looked like anything and is as useless as this ship is. It is a specialty ship that can't be used except for one case. One medium slot, and that's it... really? Just give me a shuttle with a medium slot and you got the same thing. I pay for a year up front... I expect specific things, like functionality out of my ships. Also, with a Christmas gift you don't like, you normally will get a gift receipt and you'll be able to return the gift and get what you really wanted. Give me 1/2 a bill and I'll be happy... give me a ship I'll never use in a system that any ship that doesn't have a strong defense gets popped in a heartbeat, then you'll see why I don't want this ship or need it. Also has anyone even read the description of the ship and the hacking unit? Talk about being non-descriptive...

Sol Foundry	Posted - 2010.12.15 20:35:00 - [241] Edited by: Sol Foundry on 15/12/2010 20:41:52 Originally by: L'Howen Pendragon I pay for a year up front... I expect specific things, like functionality out of my ships. Also, with a Christmas gift you don't like, you normally will get a gift receipt and you'll be able to return the gift and get what you really wanted. Give me 1/2 a bill and I'll be happy... give me a ship I'll never use in a system that any ship that doesn't have a strong defense gets popped in a heartbeat, then you'll see why I don't want this ship or need it. Are you serious? Your joking with me aren't you. Look, I'm probably never gonna have a use for a Minmatar Breacher, but I certainly wouldn't complain if I woke up one morning to find one in my hanger. Are you saying that as part of your monthly payment, CCP owes you a christmas gift that makes your life just so fantastic that you are walking around on a rainbow the rest of your days? I don't remember that in contract. Look, I'm brand-new to EVE, so I am not jaded yet. My eyes are still full of hope and promise. I left WoW because of childish behavior, and I am not saying anything I've seen here comes anywhere close to WoW, but the fact that I am reminded of it should still give you pause.
Abramul	Posted - 2010.12.15 21:07:00 - [242] I said it before it was released, and I'll say it again; please, increase the hitpoints of this thing (or add slots and fitting) so that a destroyer can't instapop it. As it stands, its only real use is gankbait.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.15 21:25:00 - [243] ccp are into useless things how about working on a real useful ship i know ccp doesnt like to get to creative with their ships but perhaps specailised hacking codebreaking and gas mining ships ? using a cruiser hull
L'Howen Pendragon Gallente Phoenix Industries Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.15 23:55:00 - [244] Originally by: Sol Foundry Edited by: Sol Foundry on 15/12/2010 20:41:52 Originally by: L'Howen Pendragon I pay for a year up front... I expect specific things, like functionality out of my ships. Also, with a Christmas gift you don't like, you normally will get a gift receipt and you'll be able to return the gift and get what you really wanted. Give me 1/2 a bill and I'll be happy... give me a ship I'll never use in a system that any ship that doesn't have a strong defense gets popped in a heartbeat, then you'll see why I don't want this ship or need it. Are you serious? Your joking with me aren't you. Look, I'm probably never gonna have a use for a Minmatar Breacher, but I certainly wouldn't complain if I woke up one morning to find one in my hanger. Are you saying that as part of your monthly payment, CCP owes you a christmas gift that makes your life just so fantastic that you are walking around on a rainbow the rest of your days? I don't remember that in contract. Look, I'm brand-new to EVE, so I am not jaded yet. My eyes are still full of hope and promise. I left WoW because of childish behavior, and I am not saying anything I've seen here comes anywhere close to WoW, but the fact that I am reminded of it should still give you pause. CCP should be kissing the ass of those that pay up front... we are in a guaranteed contract for that six months or a year, good or bad we can't pull out like those that pay a month at a time. Yes we pay less ultimately but we also have the greatest to loose as well. If you want to keep the CCP ideal, which is that have some people put a year in and realize that CCP doesn't care about it's people except to keep them happy enough to actually play the game, but frustrated enough with how things are going that they play only because they have put so much effort into a character they might as well keep it going... then fine. But how about for once you make those people really happy and give them something they can use instead of something that only .001% of the people will ever use any time whatsoever. As for the WoW comment, and? WoW is a kid's game this is a game in which it takes a year to really get a good character going... this is a game for people who don't mind spending 3/4 of your time training, and the rest fighting or loosing ships, or trading, playing the market, etc... this game is nothing close to WoW... At least when Blizzard comes out with something free, it is useful.
Foxx Hoel	Posted - 2010.12.16 00:05:00 - [245] I think it should be upgraded much like the Primae, sort of into a hacker vessel needed to hack into special Sansha things from the Incursion thingys, or when those wormholes open up and Sansha pour out (are those the same? I haven't been keeping up to date with that) But that's just my personal idea...
Zhul Guixgrixks WikiLeakz	Posted - 2010.12.16 04:04:00 - [246] Thank you CCP. Very good design. Echelon "Noctis" upgrade: "Panopticon" Special ability(or module): can hook into targets chat Bonus: 5% less probability of beeing detected
mustydude	Posted - 2010.12.16 05:23:00 - [247] It's actually brilliant how CCP has used these gifts to bring people in to other parts of the game. How many people scanned or even thought about it until we got the Zephyr. Now all those anomalies are no longer quite so hidden. The Primae, well not so much. Tried running PI in it and frankly found that, except for perhaps people new to this without the skills/assets for industrials being able to actually haul around command centers, it was not terribly useful. Now the Echelon is specifically designed to get more people involved with hacking. I mean, I can't even fit the ship since I don't have, even after a couple of years in game, that skill yet. So I can understand the angst that 'seemingly' useless ships may have to really long-term players, but still appreciate the thought that goes into these concept ships. Plus the design is pretty cool....
Dorn Val	Posted - 2010.12.16 08:50:00 - [248] Originally by: mustydude ...Plus the design is pretty cool.... ^--This. The design is bangin'!
L'Howen Pendragon Gallente Phoenix Industries Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.16 15:39:00 - [249] Originally by: mustydude It's actually brilliant how CCP has used these gifts to bring people in to other parts of the game. How many people scanned or even thought about it until we got the Zephyr. Now all those anomalies are no longer quite so hidden. The Primae, well not so much. Tried running PI in it and frankly found that, except for perhaps people new to this without the skills/assets for industrials being able to actually haul around command centers, it was not terribly useful. Now the Echelon is specifically designed to get more people involved with hacking. I mean, I can't even fit the ship since I don't have, even after a couple of years in game, that skill yet. So I can understand the angst that 'seemingly' useless ships may have to really long-term players, but still appreciate the thought that goes into these concept ships. Plus the design is pretty cool.... Any noob out of a trial account can use this... it's not that difficult to get into. Hell I had these skills nearly 5 months ago. Give us a ship that people that have a year under their belt will use... almost everyone I've spoken to in game said they will horde them, but they will never use it.
Sol Foundry	Posted - 2010.12.16 16:11:00 - [250] Originally by: L'Howen Pendragon As for the WoW comment, and? WoW is a kid's game this is a game in which it takes a year to really get a good character going... this is a game for people who don't mind spending 3/4 of your time training, and the rest fighting or loosing ships, or trading, playing the market, etc... this game is nothing close to WoW... My comparisons to WoW were not related to the game. My comparisons were to the troll-like behavior in the forums. But now, I am starting to exhibit some of that same behavior, so I will stop while I still can. Cheers!

Raid'En	Posted - 2010.12.16 18:44:00 - [251] so i made it active some minutes ago... and i'm wondering... where are the real textures ? there's only ultra-low-resolution textures on this ship o_O ---------------- Wormhole Trading
Liz Lucas	Posted - 2010.12.20 11:57:00 - [252] The "free" ship: Worthless, what a piece of crap. How about some god damn free skill points? that would be useful, not this crappy little crappy ship.
Makumba Aki	Posted - 2010.12.20 17:17:00 - [253] Originally by: Faolan Fortune Really nice ship... but something that will never see space, just like the primae, zephyr etc. which is a damn shame. I made a suggestion about a salvaging ship using the primae hull, which was responded to by CCP hinting they already had the same idea, before the noctis was revealed. If anyone has a really good idea on how to use the zephyr and now the echelon hulls for a useful mass produced ship, give it a shot. Faction Scanning/Covert-Ops ship, with increased directional scan range
Makumba Aki	Posted - 2010.12.20 17:23:00 - [254] Originally by: Serpents smile Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: CCP Spitfire the second part of this yearÆs Christmas present, the CONCORD Echelon ship The Learning Skills removal, while I didn't agree with it, was at least substantial. To follow up with... this? Laaaaame. No x-mas present for you then this year. CCP, make it so. You do realize that you have paid for this "present"? And that CCP needs to pay a designer for couple of days to work on that model? I would rather see my money used either for new usefull ships or the redesign of old usefull ships, so I at least derive some value from it by looking at while i fly it. I will fly the echelon probably only once, and leave it in the hanger afterwards, like 90% of all eve players...
daddys helper	Posted - 2010.12.22 02:57:00 - [255] Free ship is fine, thank you it is as useful as **** on the pope, but I guess you can't complain about a trinket. Thanks ccp
Abramul	Posted - 2010.12.22 21:27:00 - [256] Originally by: daddys helper Free ship is fine, thank you it is as useful as **** on the pope, but I guess you can't complain about a trinket. Thanks ccp I'm expecting we'll see it have an actual use once Incursion shows up, as a no-skill alternative to a more useful ship for hacking Sansha stuffs. Still needs more hitpoints, though.
zandayus	Posted - 2010.12.23 21:34:00 - [257] this ship is an useless as santa claus/his sleigh and his reindeers.if this s a Cncord ship I hate to see what the rest of their fleet ships look like.
Kamikaze Killjoy	Posted - 2010.12.24 21:23:00 - [258] i think all of you are being ungrateful and need to just be thankful they gave you anything. its the holidays dont be a bunch of crybabies over stocking stuffers. i think the ship was pretty cool. i may never use the thing but none the less. thanks ccp.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.25 16:20:00 - [259] Originally by: Kamikaze Killjoy i think all of you are being ungrateful and need to just be thankful they gave you anything. its the holidays dont be a bunch of crybabies over stocking stuffers. i think the ship was pretty cool. i may never use the thing but none the less. thanks ccp. ^^ This. --
GoldD1gger Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.28 14:14:00 - [260] There have been many calls for new ships and there have been (since I've been playing) two ships given as gifts. And yes the Primae is useless whilst the Noctis has untold potential...the Echelon will never get used by many. Bah Humbug! When will we see truly useful ships? There are frigates up to motherhips and potentially more and yet when it comes to making an honest buck, we the carebears, have to settle at best for a HULK for ores and the Mackinaw for ice. Not to mention the 30+ days needed to train to use them the outcome is a paltry cargo hold and a ship that is easy to target and destroy. When will we see an ORCA class mining ship or an ORCA that can fit strip miners? Or a new ORE ship that 1. can mine more, 2. can hold more, 3. can survive long enough for Concord to assist, 4. that doesn't cost 1000 units of ice, 5. that gives bonus to strip mining, 6. that makes us feel good about the time it takes to learn the skills 7. ...that will have shield tank bonus that increases with greater numbers of them in close proximity (like the Sanshas). The whole game is geared towards killing that's awesome but some of us are just miners. When will CCP decide to encourage the many players who pay just as much to mine and yet get little else out of this game? Nuff said Ships of warfare come in all shapes and sizes but ships of peace are more expensive, harder to train for, and are constant targets. Make your HULK a weapon and smile :)

Salus hazzar	Posted - 2011.01.01 18:36:00 - [261] It's a Frigate I thought it was a Shuttle with extra cargo space. At least that's what I've been using it for.
Abramul	Posted - 2011.01.02 12:01:00 - [262] Originally by: Salus hazzar It's a Frigate I thought it was a Shuttle with extra cargo space. At least that's what I've been using it for. Any chance you'd be willing to say what route you normally fly it on? Think I still have a spare Thrasher around...


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