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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.24 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hoya en Marland Edited by: Hoya en Marland on 24/03/2011 11:01:24
Originally by: Grimpak you know, that seems quite a big number, but you could post a comparision so that one could say how much that really is
Well, it's been said that up to 100 becquerels of cesium-137 is normal. They've measured 163,000 becquerels, 40 kilometers away from the power plant. I'll leave it to our forum scientists to tell if, and how, this value could affect human health. I wouldn't be too surprised to hear that it's totally okay.
ok I ask you then.
is it, or is it not ok? sure the value seems to be very high, but you also posted that "could" affect. you also didn't posted where did you came up with this info, so I'm gonna help you a bit here:
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/national/news/20110324p2a00m0na026000c.html
Quote: The ministry announced on March 23 that 6,970-1.17 million becquerels of radioactive iodine and 1,260-163,000 becquerels of radioactive cesium were detected per 1 kilogram of soil.
The ministry said the radiation from the soil was so minimal that there would be no risk of external exposure, but it said it could not immediately predict how the radiation would affect farm products grown in land nearby. The ministry said it should wait for an assessment of the data by the Cabinet Office's Nuclear Safety Commission.
now with that in hand, it's true that the ammount of iodine becquerels seems worrisome, but that can be easily fixed with iodine tablets and a temporary ban for foods for 2-3 months on the area. Caesium-137 is more worrysome because of the longer half life, but what ammount is considered "dangerous"?
me being quite the peasant on this issue decided to explore several sources on the internet and woe me, I found the conversion calculations from Becquerel to Curies, which, while not a scientifically accepted number, it provides a better understanding since you can come up with lots of documentation that shows what is the usual levels of curies that can be harmful for health. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie
now from the numbers there, and me being the ignorant I am, decided to use a calculator to convert the Bq's to Ci's, and what did I discovered? aparently the ammount of curies in the area is of about 4.4 microcuries.
Now a bit more of search came up with this small pearl:
Originally by: http://www.aristatek.com/drjisotopes.aspx From 10 CFR part 20, the annual limit on intake (ALI) of Cesium 137 into the body corresponding to a 5 rem dose is 200 microcuries per year. The ALI takes into account exposure to any daughter isotopes produced in the body (some radioactive isotopes have radioactive daughter species). From the ALI value, the derived air concentration (DAC) for inhalation is computed assuming a worker exposure of 2000 hours per year and a breathing rate of 20 liters per minute. The general public is based on a 0.1 rem annual exposure limit, 24 hours per day and 365 days per year. The drinking water limit is based on 730 liters intake per year.
(you need to scroll a bit down to reach it)
this means that 4.4 microcuries, while a high value, isn't near of the ALI established by the US, and the ALI presented is for a dose correspondent to a yearly 5 rem.
now, considering that 1 rem = 0.01 sievert, that means that 0.1 sievert/year or 100 milisievert/year is considered high, and is pretty much the lower limit for risk of radioactive induced cancer formation (+0.8%).
as an example, the background radiation in some locations of the world, like Iran and some areas of Europe are above the 250 milisevert/year.
still, there's no harm in being careful. It's still not the end of the world, tho. ---
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.03.24 13:03:00 -
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It wouldn't surprise me if that contamination is unrelated to the accident at fukushima and is simply evidence of longer term contamination from general nuclear industry because most nuclear plants tend to slightly contaminate the areas around them.
It was probably not publicized or even noticed until now much the same way as huge portions of the Scottish northern coast have much higher levels of radioactive particles.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.24 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Skank It wouldn't surprise me if that contamination is unrelated to the accident at fukushima and is simply evidence of longer term contamination from general nuclear industry because most nuclear plants tend to slightly contaminate the areas around them.
It was probably not publicized or even noticed until now much the same way as huge portions of the Scottish northern coast have much higher levels of radioactive particles.
well yeah.
still, while it's ok to be careful and investigate the repercussions about the incident in a very deep manner, the way many people are reporting this is still a wee bit overreacting. ---
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.29 17:00:00 -
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Radiation levels as high as 1000 milisieverts per hour were registered over the last few days and samples of plutonium were found in the immediate area surrounding the plant...Only reactor 3 uses plutonium in it's fuel rods, so i think it's obvious that the containment vessel for that core is breached somehow.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.29 20:51:00 -
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[sarcasm] Sure, dangerous amounts of radioactive substances were never released from the damaged reactors. The traces of plutonium found in the soil are also totally harmless and only found because some evil green eco-terrorists planted the evidence. It is a conspiracy. [/sarcasm]
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.03.29 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon [sarcasm] Sure, dangerous amounts of radioactive substances were never released from the damaged reactors. The traces of plutonium found in the soil are also totally harmless and only found because some evil green eco-terrorists planted the evidence. It is a conspiracy. [/sarcasm]
You are silly because its all perfectly safe and you can even eat Cesium sandwiches
/Serious business
The traces of plutonium could have been released from the spent fuel cooling pond that caught fire as well as from a reactor breech but with the protests getting underway now the power company and the Japanese government will probably be even more economical with the truth than they already are.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.30 16:19:00 -
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It's officially a screwed up situation that might take 3 decades to fully resolve:
Quote: Radiation leaking into seawater from Japan's tsunami-damaged nuclear complex has reached its highest level yet, prompting officials to declare that four reactors will be scrapped.
Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy director general of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, said seawater tested near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station was found to contain iodine-131 at 3,355 times the safety standard.
"We have no choice," Tsunehisa Katsumata, chair of Tokyo Electric Power Company, known as TEPCO, said as he told a news conference Wednesday that Units 1, 2, 3 and 4 at the plant will be scrapped.
"So what that means is they're going to keep cooling them down and when they're sufficiently cool, they'll have to remove the highly toxic radioactive material and store it safely and demolish the reactors," CBC reporter Craig Dale said in an interview.
France will send in two nuclear experts and the U.S. will send robots to examine the reactor rods and fuel pools. The whole process could take three decades and cost upwards of $12 billion US and then there is the question of what to do with reactors 5 and 6.
They were off when a March 11 tsunami engulfed the facility, knocking out power to the cooling system that keeps nuclear fuel rods from overheating,
"But will the public allow TEPCO to restart the reactors?" Dale said. "Right now it seems that the answer would be 'No,' but TEPCO said it's not sure what the future of Units 5 and 6 are at this point; they're focusing on reactors 1 to 4."
Radiation leaking from the plant has seeped into the soil and seawater nearby and made its way into produce, raw milk and even tap water as far away as Tokyo, 220 kilometres to the south.
Japan's government has been saying since March 20 that the entire plant must be scrapped.
The amount of iodine-131 found south of the plant does not pose an immediate threat to human health but was a "concern," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, a Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency official. He said there was no fishing in the area.
Radioactive iodine is short-lived, with a half-life of just eight days, and in any case was expected to dissipate quickly in the ocean. It does not tend to accumulate in shellfish.
Highly toxic plutonium also has been detected in the soil outside the plant, TEPCO said. Safety officials said the amounts did not pose a risk to humans, but the finding supports suspicions that dangerously radioactive water is leaking from damaged nuclear fuel rods. There have been no reports of plutonium being found in seawater.
Earlier, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said the government is considering a number of options to stop the spread of radiation from the crippled nuclear plant.
They include using a special cloth to cover the damaged reactor buildings to stop radioactive substances from leaking. Another option is spraying a resin on the grounds of the facility, which could happen as soon as Thursday.
The resin would stick to the ground and form a film. This would trap any radiation that could leak from the reactors. The resin would stop the radiation from reaching the Pacific Ocean or from being released in the air, however, it's not clear if the resin can stop radiation from seeping into the soil.
http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=28184090
It isn't chernobyl, but quite a mess to deal with for years just the same....
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.30 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Skank You are silly because its all perfectly safe and you can even eat Cesium sandwiches
tbh I think you would die faster due to heavy metal poisoning than radiation itself ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Hoya en Marland on 30/03/2011 20:59:11
Evacuation from one more nuclear power plant underway:
========== Smoke was spotted at another nuclear plant in northeastern Japan on Wednesday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.
The company said smoke was detected in the turbine building of reactor No. 1 at the Fukushima Daini nuclear power plant around 6 p.m. (5 a.m. ET).
After the dual disasters, Japanese authorities also detected cooling-system problems at the Fukushima Daini plant, and those living within a 10-kilometer radius (6 miles) of Fukushima Daini were ordered to evacuate as a precaution. ========== source: CNN
Originally by: digitalwanderer It isn't chernobyl, but quite a mess to deal with for years just the same....
Yep. Two weeks ago I said that the final outcome might be the same as in Chernobyl. If not worse.
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Mick Oyen
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Posted - 2011.03.30 23:08:00 -
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Traces of radioactivity from the japan plant have now reached Irish soil. Just trace ammounts in the air not enough to affect human health which is good. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12903573
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.04.12 05:27:00 -
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It's officially a rank 7 nuclear incident, matching that of the chernobyl accident in 1986, given the cumulative amount of radiation leaked since the earthquake happened a little over a month ago, and there's no timetable for how long it'll continue to leak radiation, given that the primary concern is keeping the fuel rods cool in order to avoid that the leak becomes even larger still...
It might continue like this for months until the rods are cooled down for all we know...
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.04.12 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Hoya en Marland on 12/04/2011 14:39:26
Originally by: digitalwanderer It might continue like this for months until the rods are cooled down for all we know...
... yes, and final outcome will probably be much worse than in Chernobyl
Sure, tens of thousands of people died and whole country suffered *tremendous* damage in earthquake, which had to be major distraction, but nevertheless, it is now becoming quite clear that Soviets were in fact much more efficient handling Chernobyl disaster than Japanese in this case.
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Katie Tanaka
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Posted - 2011.04.12 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hoya en Marland Sure, tens of thousands of people died and whole country suffered *tremendous* damage in earthquake, which had to be major distraction, but nevertheless, it is now becoming quite clear that Soviets were in fact much more efficient handling Chernobyl disaster than Japanese in this case.
You need to put down the crack pipe and allow the fumes to disperse.
The Soviets didn't tell bother to tell anybody the disaster had happened. Only when the Swede's discovered nuclear contamination at their own NPPs were they forced to show their hand. Not until a day and a half after the entire reactor had exploded and burnt in the open air did they evacuate the town of Pripyat. Not until three days after was the general population of the Soviet Union informed.
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Katie Tanaka
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Posted - 2011.04.12 16:28:00 -
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By the way, you are also a ****ing *******.
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Bulldug
Starlight Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.04.14 01:39:00 -
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Some food for thoughts Quote: Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.
source: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen U.S. Department of Defense
This is an official goverment website so you can't demiss eco-terrorism as pure fiction. Not saying that this was eco-terrorism but something to keep in mind. The military industrial complex (MIC) has been spending many billions of dollars on scalar weapons to defend against eco-terrorism. Taking into account that goverment oversight of the MIC are a joke both in US, Russia/former USSR and other countries it's also a possibility that this technology has fallen into the wrong hands.
A former penthagon weapons analyst and nuclear engineer, Tom Bearden has also warned about eco-terrorism for many years Soviet Weather Engineering Over North America
Nassim Haramein - Sacred Geometry & Unified Fields Some more background info to understand the secret technology behind scalar weapons.
Global-Scaling Institute Hartmut Muller, a brilliant german scientist founded this institute. Used to work for academy of the sciences of the USSR. Vacuum resonance for quantum-teleportation was a decade long research work that began in 1982 under the orders of Hartmut Mnller. This is another clue to all the black projects that USSR used to run. After the collapse of the USSR he moved back to germany to share his knowlegde with the public. Hartmut Muller also run the http://www.raum-und-zeit.com/ science magazine.
The bottom line here, the kind of military technology that ôtrickle downö to the 'consumer level' are like candy to the masses. Due to 'national security' only few goverment officials if any has high enough clearance to all military research. The goverment are not really good at keeping secret technology unlike the military industrial complex. It's also standard operating procedure for many military scientists to sign a non-disclosure agreement. Usual new military technology stay secret for many decades and wont be released to the general consumer until decades later.
So no, we really have no idea what's going on and dont think you'll get any good information from corporate news which are only good for entertainment. |
Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2011.04.14 07:19:00 -
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Q: Why shouldn't you wear Russian underpants? A: Because Chernobyl fallout.
Badoom Tish! -------------------- What? Me Worry? -------------------- |
Xenix Brastar
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Posted - 2011.04.14 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid Q: Why shouldn't you wear Russian underpants? A: Because Chernobyl fallout.
Badoom Tish!
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