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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
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Posted - 2012.09.01 08:55:00 -
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CCP is going to change radically FW again on next expansion.
System control tactic changes from taking systems for LP dump to holding systems for higher LP gain, also combined with LP from defence on contested systems.
So basically ideal for defended is to hold systems about 75% contested to get max lp gain from defending, so if you lose some lp from upgares you will get atleast something back with defending.
Also plexes get some npc changes and new restrictions for ships sizes.
with new rules you can stop clock just by being in side plex, so using max speed fitted T1 frigate is quite good, you orbit timer and defend, when enemy enters you take 150km orbit or more and avoid enemy.
Because enemy needs some ship that can tank and kill npc it is most unlikely that he will never catch you alone.
just wait that he leaves and return to timer.
Any better ideas anyone?
links to new changes: genelral changes
Plex and npc changes |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
81
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:39:00 -
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Maybe a new module for when they rebalance cruisers.
A lasoo, fitted on a e-war cruiser could fire a rope at the speed tanking frigate's that would stick to the frigate and as it orbited the button winds the rope around it gradually bringing it closer to be killed or crash in the button. |
David Campbell
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
13
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:45:00 -
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I guess the risk of keeping a system at 75% contested in order to maximize defensive LP payouts is that you risk loosing that system to an organized and motivated opponent. How many plexes do you need to go from 75% - 80% to 100% ? (That is a real question, I really don't know) |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
239
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:48:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:I guess the risk of keeping a system at 75% contested in order to maximize defensive LP payouts is that you risk loosing that system to an organized and motivated opponent. How many plexes do you need to go from 75% - 80% to 100% ? (That is a real question, I really don't know)
you have to remember that speed tank alts can not capture plexes anymore when attacking, so number of people who will plex attack plexes will go down to what it was before inferno, so it is about 10 people in whole eve.
anyway if you defend it to about 60% when you go tot sleep it is about 70-80% on morning max |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
52
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:05:00 -
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Super awesome. I can roll out Maik Zierra 2, 3, 4, etc. prop up militia and still get the Akemons and Michis with untrained alts. It's good to be Caldari. |
David Campbell
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
13
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:05:00 -
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I not sure the number of offensive plexer will drop back to pre-inferno levels, 20,000 LP for a small plex at tier 3 is still decent ISK. But it's true that it may not be enough of an incentive to make a real push, we'll have to wait and see I guess. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
239
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:16:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:I not sure the number of offensive plexer will drop back to pre-inferno levels, 20,000 LP for a small plex at tier 3 is still decent ISK. But it's true that it may not be enough of an incentive to make a real push, we'll have to wait and see I guess.
You have to shoot npc, and there is no more reduced prices on lp shop so 20k lp is only 5k current lp |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
203
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:45:00 -
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I am only sad that they didnt discuss the 'reset timer' option.
Where if a farmer is driven out of a plex the timer starts to count down to 0.
Still leaves to much incentive for people to make farming alts. I guess CCP like the extra accounts people are making and it would not make business sense for them to kill a cash cow.
At least for someone like me plexing is a means to getting a fight, whatever lp is a bonus for me. Unlike 85% of militia though plexing in itself is the goal.
If i go into vlill alone with 9 wartargets in local and manage a good kill without capturing a plex I am a happy man. I will take that over capturing any plex or lp i would get from it.
We fly outgunned, We fly outnumbered. It's what we do. http://www.youtube.com/user/Flyinghotpocket/videos |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
239
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:05:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:I am only sad that they didnt discuss the 'reset timer' option.
Where if a farmer is driven out of a plex the timer starts to count down to 0.
Still leaves to much incentive for people to make farming alts. I guess CCP like the extra accounts people are making and it would not make business sense for them to kill a cash cow.
At least for someone like me plexing is a means to getting a fight, whatever lp is a bonus for me. Unlike 85% of militia though plexing in itself is the goal.
If i go into vlill alone with 9 wartargets in local and manage a good kill without capturing a plex I am a happy man. I will take that over capturing any plex or lp i would get from it.
I prefer idea that we kill others for some greater reason than just for fun.
FW should have some goal to achieve and capturing systems has been common goal to whole militia in this current system, it has been working fine.
Only thing that has been bit faulty is that only alts have been capturing plexes and real fights for those did not happen much.
Only some certain systems have had intensive fights.
New mechanics does not really bring any more reasons to fight for systems, it sure ends afk attack plex farming and kills whole FW once again.
But changes for plexes does not make fightning any more easier in those, those who are inside plex gets more advantage than before, so i wonder who dare go in plex with equal numbers or even with little more people.
all that happens is that FW goes for same blob warfare than 0.0 already is, i do not see why we need more places for same kind of action. We can see that t1 cruisers are pretty much useless after this change for plexing. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
52
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Posted - 2012.09.01 14:45:00 -
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And just imagine what kind of "bum rush the systems" you will get right at the end. That will determine who wins the war and that's it. We will be left with exactly two militias in the game and taking systems is no longer in the books since losing side will lose all their members and other side can just send defense plexers at whim.
Once again, CCP screws it up completely. I think this clip summarises it all.... |
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
276
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:08:00 -
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75% contested means system has lost all upgrades, so it will only be applicable for fringe/redundant systems that are not needed to maintain a given WZC tier. For upgraded systems, will primarily be out of the way and/or core systems, the alt armies will have to start orbiting before LP buffer is depleted.
Otherwise, yeah. Still not "feeling" the urge to defend much of anything as I don't do alts ... but suggested changes are heaps better than what Inferno brought |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
174
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:13:00 -
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Very odd that I'd actually agree with Bad Messenger about something, but yes, CCP seem to be throwing out broken Inferno mechanics for new as yet unnamed broken FW mechanics.
Already there are glaring issues (such as the one BM pointed out); or NPCs that stop the timer that arrive 1 by 1 in some sort of annoying conga line stopping and starting the plex timer to lengthen boring button orbitting even further.
I hope I'm wrong, but I see FW becomming a stale boring place again very soon after the changes in the new year. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
239
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:14:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:75% contested means system has lost all upgrades, so it will only be applicable for fringe/redundant systems that are not needed to maintain a given WZC tier. For upgraded systems, will primarily be out of the way and/or core systems, the alt armies will have to start orbiting before LP buffer is depleted. Otherwise, yeah. Still not "feeling" the urge to defend much of anything as I don't do alts ... but suggested changes are heaps better than what Inferno brought
you can sure upgrade system when it is 75% contested? |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
276
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Posted - 2012.09.01 20:33:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:75% contested means system has lost all upgrades, so it will only be applicable for fringe/redundant systems that are not needed to maintain a given WZC tier. For upgraded systems, will primarily be out of the way and/or core systems, the alt armies will have to start orbiting before LP buffer is depleted. Otherwise, yeah. Still not "feeling" the urge to defend much of anything as I don't do alts ... but suggested changes are heaps better than what Inferno brought you can sure upgrade system when it is 75% contested? No, the point is that you never bother upgrading the chaff systems, dump LP in just enough +1 to get desired tier and defensive farm the rest. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
321
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Posted - 2012.09.01 22:03:00 -
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Quote:* Increase contested range: at the moment an hostile pilot will only contest a capture timer if he is within capture range (whose reach varies depending on the point above). We want to move the contested area to the whole complex range, which would mean as long as hostile pilot is within your room the capture timer would be paused.
*Gets in dramiel, plays the trolololo song* |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
182
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:58:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:Quote:* Increase contested range: at the moment an hostile pilot will only contest a capture timer if he is within capture range (whose reach varies depending on the point above). We want to move the contested area to the whole complex range, which would mean as long as hostile pilot is within your room the capture timer would be paused. *Gets in dramiel, plays the trolololo song*
Yep. This is the most glaring problem. Otherwise, I am cautiously optimistic. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Dread Operative
Justified Chaos
7
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:22:00 -
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The she restrictions are crap! |
Squatdog
State Protectorate Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.09.02 06:47:00 -
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So I guess we can look forward to perma-trolling plexes with MWD Condor alts and having ranged ships get dumped at scram range to the button on warp in.
The restrictions mean we're forced to ship down to T1 frigs for 'minors' (I literally don't even have a t1 frig on this character), and can look forward to Falcons in 'mediums'. Yay. |
Dan Carter Murray
106
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Posted - 2012.09.02 06:53:00 -
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Squatdog wrote:So I guess we can look forward to perma-trolling plexes with MWD Condor alts and having ranged ships get dumped at scram range to the button on warp in.
The restrictions mean we're forced to ship down to T1 frigs for 'minors' (I literally don't even have a t1 frig on this character), and can look forward to Falcons in 'mediums'. Yay.
plex size changes including plex size restriction and button distance is ******* ********. the only change they needed to make is to require rats to be dead for timer to count down, and reverse timer when no one is in the plex. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
168
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Posted - 2012.09.02 16:30:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:Squatdog wrote:So I guess we can look forward to perma-trolling plexes with MWD Condor alts and having ranged ships get dumped at scram range to the button on warp in.
The restrictions mean we're forced to ship down to T1 frigs for 'minors' (I literally don't even have a t1 frig on this character), and can look forward to Falcons in 'mediums'. Yay. plex size changes including plex size restriction and button distance is ******* ********. the only change they needed to make for plex changes is to require rats to be dead for timer to count down, and reverse timer when no one is in the plex. edit: the npc dmg and tank i agree with though (to equalize things)
More or less this ^.
They are making some huge changes with unknown effects. Which is what they already did, and we see where that got us.. And if they take another 6 months to correct that mess? |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
243
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Posted - 2012.09.02 16:47:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:Squatdog wrote:So I guess we can look forward to perma-trolling plexes with MWD Condor alts and having ranged ships get dumped at scram range to the button on warp in.
The restrictions mean we're forced to ship down to T1 frigs for 'minors' (I literally don't even have a t1 frig on this character), and can look forward to Falcons in 'mediums'. Yay. plex size changes including plex size restriction and button distance is ******* ********. the only change they needed to make for plex changes is to require rats to be dead for timer to count down, and reverse timer when no one is in the plex. edit: the npc dmg and tank i agree with though (to equalize things) More or less this ^. They are making some huge changes with unknown effects. Which is what they already did, and we see where that got us.. And if they take another 6 months to correct that mess?
i think they will leave fw as it is after this change. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
463
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Posted - 2012.09.02 19:06:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:75% contested means system has lost all upgrades, Not true. The 300k buffer > # of LP sucked out at 75%.
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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:47:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:75% contested means system has lost all upgrades, Not true. The 300k buffer > # of LP sucked out at 75%.
This plus you may as well let them contest it to 75% before even adding any lp then there is no loss and losses at that point can be recouped by defensive plexing.
There is also a proposed cap where no offensive plexing lp is given.
If you were a very dominant faction you could let it get to vulnerable and then there would never be much incentive to plex the system as the offensive plexes would get no reward.
You just have to prevent them bashing the hub. Risky but then as you are space rich at level 5 and can deploy caps and then cyno jam the system you just have to be vigilant.
Feels like big swings to defending. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
243
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:40:00 -
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Alticus C Bear wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:75% contested means system has lost all upgrades, Not true. The 300k buffer > # of LP sucked out at 75%. This plus you may as well let them contest it to 75% before even adding any lp then there is no loss and losses at that point can be recouped by defensive plexing. There is also a proposed cap where no offensive plexing lp is given. If you were a very dominant faction you could let it get to vulnerable and then there would never be much incentive to plex the system as the offensive plexes would get no reward. You just have to prevent them bashing the hub. Risky but then as you are space rich at level 5 and can deploy caps and then cyno jam the system you just have to be vigilant. Feels like big swings to defending.
Sounds like a decent plan for me, at least for systems that are not so important.
So we could maybe make 3 different categories:
1. staging system : defend it and keep is 0% contested
2. station systems: defend it and keep it around 75% contested
3. no one cares system: let it go vulnerable and upgrade |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
118
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Posted - 2012.09.02 23:16:00 -
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After talking to ccp fozzie several people have found itbwould take 150 plexes on average to knock a system from lvl 5 to lvl 0. The new systems will allow losing sides or militias that dont work together to survive fl. I have other thoughts but i willnhold those for later. Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Dread Operative
Justified Chaos
10
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Posted - 2012.09.03 00:28:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150259&find=unread
Post here if you don't like ship restriction changes. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
54
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Posted - 2012.09.03 07:50:00 -
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Dread Operative wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150259&find=unread
Post here if you don't like ship restriction changes.
Why you whine about these changes? We know that in actual fact you love the fact there will only be logistic blobs now for "medium" plexes. You are just getting what CCP wanted. You have Dev playing for Gallente side and Hans in CSM.
So come next year, you should be where CCP/Hans wants you to be. Gallente/Matar on top, aided by the faulty mechanics and the fact that everyone and their dog joins matar for farming and sends them to Caldari space and situation is tightly stamped to place when NPC's remove farming and plex changes make it so that logistic blob can just roll around and defense everything.
Add this to fact the "Trolldor" factor you can do for plexes which you actually ALREADY DO (link boosted mwd vigil off grid to stop plex despawning) and there will be land grab before patch, it's going to benefit gal/matar and that's all she wrote.
And CCP/Hans get what they want, can declare victory and CCP shuts down FW since nobody is playing for Amarr/Caldari.
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
257
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Posted - 2012.09.03 08:21:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Dread Operative wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150259&find=unread
Post here if you don't like ship restriction changes. Why you whine about these changes? We know that in actual fact you love the fact there will only be logistic blobs now for "medium" plexes. You are just getting what CCP wanted. You have Dev playing for Gallente side and Hans in CSM. So come next year, you should be where CCP/Hans wants you to be. Gallente/Matar on top, aided by the faulty mechanics and the fact that everyone and their dog joins matar for farming and sends them to Caldari space and situation is tightly stamped to place when NPC's remove farming and plex changes make it so that logistic blob can just roll around and defense everything. Add this to fact the "Trolldor" factor you can do for plexes which you actually ALREADY DO (link boosted mwd vigil off grid to stop plex despawning) and there will be land grab before patch, it's going to benefit gal/matar and that's all she wrote. And CCP/Hans get what they want, can declare victory and CCP shuts down FW since nobody is playing for Amarr/Caldari.
Man, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed ...
First, I don't think Justified Chaos are thrilled about logis, as they are all about 1337 pvp in frigs, skillz and all that crap that ppl invoke when they don't want to admit that they are afraid to put assets on the line. But I'm digressing.
Logistics shouldn't be an issue. After the great Inferno farm of 2012, logis should be pretty affordable for everyone in FW. As for SP, the "Caldari are rebuilding" argument held for a while, but by now your guys should have enough SP to be in logi themselves.
As for the whole conspiracy theory ... I doubt one dev gets to decide how FW will change and I find the ideea that Hans would have any relevance in CCP strategy hilarious at best.
In one thing I agree with you though, the land grab will be interesting, because it will basically be a big game of chicken trying to balance cashing in and land grab. I suspect there will be a lot of meta involved, which imo is a lot of fun, but others might not enjoy it so much. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
245
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Posted - 2012.09.03 08:26:00 -
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Lock out wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Dread Operative wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150259&find=unread
Post here if you don't like ship restriction changes. Why you whine about these changes? We know that in actual fact you love the fact there will only be logistic blobs now for "medium" plexes. You are just getting what CCP wanted. You have Dev playing for Gallente side and Hans in CSM. So come next year, you should be where CCP/Hans wants you to be. Gallente/Matar on top, aided by the faulty mechanics and the fact that everyone and their dog joins matar for farming and sends them to Caldari space and situation is tightly stamped to place when NPC's remove farming and plex changes make it so that logistic blob can just roll around and defense everything. Add this to fact the "Trolldor" factor you can do for plexes which you actually ALREADY DO (link boosted mwd vigil off grid to stop plex despawning) and there will be land grab before patch, it's going to benefit gal/matar and that's all she wrote. And CCP/Hans get what they want, can declare victory and CCP shuts down FW since nobody is playing for Amarr/Caldari. Man, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed ... First, I don't think Justified Chaos are thrilled about logis, as they are all about 1337 pvp in frigs, skillz and all that crap that ppl invoke when they don't want to admit that they are afraid to put assets on the line. But I'm digressing. Logistics shouldn't be an issue. After the great Inferno farm of 2012, logis should be pretty affordable for everyone in FW. As for SP, the "Caldari are rebuilding" argument held for a while, but by now your guys should have enough SP to be in logi themselves. As long as everyone can bring the same ships, it's not a problem. As for the whole conspiracy theory ... I doubt one dev gets to decide how FW will change and I find the ideea that Hans would have any relevance in CCP strategy hilarious at best. In one thing I agree with you though, the land grab will be interesting, because it will basically be a big game of chicken trying to balance cashing in and land grab. I suspect there will be a lot of meta involved, which imo is a lot of fun, but others might not enjoy it so much.
If i want to fly logi blobs i go to 0.0. Who really wants those in FW? |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
476
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Posted - 2012.09.03 10:45:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:
If i want to fly logi blobs i go to 0.0. Who really wants those in FW?
Lets pretend they never happen currently, or used to happen before inferno shall we.
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
246
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Posted - 2012.09.03 10:55:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:
If i want to fly logi blobs i go to 0.0. Who really wants those in FW?
Lets pretend they never happen currently, or used to happen before inferno shall we.
sure some people use them, no doubt, but now there is more reason to use those especially when most of those counters are restricted from mediums.
also with new frigate changed WE CAN HAVE RR IN ROOKIE PLEXES TOO ! |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
55
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Posted - 2012.09.03 12:08:00 -
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Lock out wrote:Logistics shouldn't be an issue. After the great Inferno farm of 2012, logis should be pretty affordable for everyone in FW. As for SP, the "Caldari are rebuilding" argument held for a while, but by now your guys should have enough SP to be in logi themselves. As long as everyone can bring the same ships, it's not a problem.
Undocking in logistic ship inevitably results in massive wait for people to sort their ships and fittings out, being spied on by enemy, then either resulting in other side docking up or things escalating to batphones, titan hotdrops and so forth after long time of thumb twiddling.
Your militia already sends 20 man gang with logistics to chase down my solo ship. Why should I actually bother bringing a logistic ship to field when it's just gonna be titan bridged by you or some other bored entity you have on batphone since your corporation has openly admitted they cant be arsed to travel further than titan bridge so they can hotdrop some poor bastard who does not already have your titan alts on their addressbook.
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Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
477
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:26:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Dread Operative wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150259&find=unread
Post here if you don't like ship restriction changes. Why you whine about these changes? We know that in actual fact you love the fact there will only be logistic blobs now for "medium" plexes. You are just getting what CCP wanted. You have Dev playing for Gallente side and Hans in CSM. So come next year, you should be where CCP/Hans wants you to be. Gallente/Matar on top, aided by the faulty mechanics and the fact that everyone and their dog joins matar for farming and sends them to Caldari space and situation is tightly stamped to place when NPC's remove farming and plex changes make it so that logistic blob can just roll around and defense everything. Add this to fact the "Trolldor" factor you can do for plexes which you actually ALREADY DO (link boosted mwd vigil off grid to stop plex despawning) and there will be land grab before patch, it's going to benefit gal/matar and that's all she wrote. And CCP/Hans get what they want, can declare victory and CCP shuts down FW since nobody is playing for Amarr/Caldari.
Tinfoil hat business aside.
Your issue here is that you're too obsessed over who "wins." FW is designed as an eternal war system where anyone that wants PvP (and to make isk via PvP) can easily jump in. It's made to be an accessible and permanent feature of the game. "Victory" and "Defeat" for any given side is pretty meaningless, since FW is going to be a persistent feature for years to come.
If you're expecting some grand resolution to the conflict, some Tibus Heth or Jamyl Sarum deus ex machina to move the plotline along, then don't hold your breath. AURORA is dead. CCP no longer produces in-character news articles. All plotline movement is tied to development schedules, and frozen after the new feature has been implemented.
Now that Incursions are around as a game feature, the Sansha storyline is locked in place. Kuvekai is going to be ineffectually raiding in perpetuity. Expect similar treatment for FW.
Think of this as a children's game of cop's and robbers. People who die get right back up and jump back into the fray. The participants aren't playing to win or lose, but to point fingers at each other and go "pew pew." Winning the game is meaningless; playing the game is everything. This is MMORPG logic.
If you're having fun in FW, if you honestly enjoy PvP, making isk in combat, or whatever immersion you derive out of fighting for one of the four big factions, then all's good.
But if you're waiting for CCP to call a winner, you're going to be waiting for a long, long time. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
276
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:51:00 -
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Shaalira D'arc wrote:Your issue here is that you're too obsessed over who "wins." FW is designed as an eternal war system where anyone that wants PvP (and to make isk via PvP) can easily jump in. It's made to be an accessible and permanent feature of the game. "Victory" and "Defeat" for any given side is pretty meaningless, since FW is going to be a persistent feature for years to come.... If I know Damar correct then you have it almost completely wrong. It is not about declaring "Victory" and "Defeat", but rather that the system is being set up to accommodate only 2 militia's with the other two being in a hole 90% of the time.
It would be awesome if it truly was as you describe, eternal war with noob friendly pew and ISK on the side but it hasn't been since the early years and suggested iteration will probably not change that significantly .. defending steam-roller will be playing a game of whack-a-mole plexer while making more LP than the guy in the hole. With no provision for ladder for the guys in the hole or indeed even on the drawing board the whole 'war' aspect fizzles quite extraordinarily and will look more like a long series of one-sided ganks.
The only time the word "diminishing" appears in the iteration post is with regards to system upgrade costs, but with the mad LP income that will be available (defensive, offensive, missions, cross plexing) you'd need much higher waste % than the ones mentioned .. since winter is likely to be the last iteration for a while we'd better analyze the crap out of it so we can stop it before getting stuck with another pile of manure for X years.
In short: There needs to be much harsher mechanics in place to prevent the 2 Militia scenario, can be on either side, f.ex. The deeper the hole, the faster your plexes. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
467
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:57:00 -
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Lock out wrote:First, I don't think Justified Chaos are thrilled about logis, as they are all about 1337 pvp in frigs, skillz and all that crap that ppl invoke when they don't want to admit that they are afraid to put assets on the line. But I'm digressing. I think Lockout may be bitter that 1. Some people don't play the game the same way as him, and 2. they don't derp their capitals into tarps at his command.
amirite?
Also, we derp with non l337 frigates. And for a corp half your size, we're killing half as much isk and losing half as much isk. Our pace is faster than yours which leads to more fun for the ADD guys in our corp (namely me!).
Logis need to be neuted or jammed. If logi chain gets set up inside plex it's game over with these new plex restrictions. Boredom ensues. If cloaky Falcon uncloaks when attacking force warps in, game over again.
My guess is that Hans convinced CCP that T1 frig-only plexes would be "awesome", and then CCP tried to figure out a way to make it happen. But as it is, there is plenty of space in CURRENT minor plexes for the new T1 frigs as they can, properly fit, engage dessies through pirate faction ships successfully.
IMO, Lockout may disagree, FW should favor faction ships. Let 0.0 favor T2 hulls. The proposed plex size restrictions clearly favor T2 ships and kill the advantages of the faction hulls. |
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
10
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:58:00 -
[36] - Quote
Lock out wrote:
Man, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed ...
First, I don't think Justified Chaos are thrilled about logis, as they are all about 1337 pvp in frigs, skillz and all that crap that ppl invoke when they don't want to admit that they are afraid to put assets on the line. But I'm digressing.
Logistics shouldn't be an issue. After the great Inferno farm of 2012, logis should be pretty affordable for everyone in FW. As for SP, the "Caldari are rebuilding" argument held for a while, but by now your guys should have enough SP to be in logi themselves. As long as everyone can bring the same ships, it's not a problem..
No. it has more to do with the fact some of us are interested in seeing more people come to FW (in particular to the gallente side) both experienced pvpers as well as newbies.
So right now a gang of relative newbies can try and hold a medium plex against a bigger force and expect to at least inflict some damage on the enemy before getting spanked. My particular beef with the changes on ship restriction is that the same gang would get completely obliterated, no chance at all, and thus less incentive for new people to join.
Edit: and he woke up on his normal side of the bed. That-¦s 100% unadultered "normal" Damar right there. |
Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
477
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Posted - 2012.09.03 18:31:00 -
[37] - Quote
Veshta Yoshida wrote: If I know Damar correct then you have it almost completely wrong. It is not about declaring "Victory" and "Defeat", but rather that the system is being set up to accommodate only 2 militia's with the other two being in a hole 90% of the time.
It would be awesome if it truly was as you describe, eternal war with noob friendly pew and ISK on the side but it hasn't been since the early years and suggested iteration will probably not change that significantly .. defending steam-roller will be playing a game of whack-a-mole plexer while making more LP than the guy in the hole. With no provision for ladder for the guys in the hole or indeed even on the drawing board the whole 'war' aspect fizzles quite extraordinarily and will look more like a long series of one-sided ganks.
The only time the word "diminishing" appears in the iteration post is with regards to system upgrade costs, but with the mad LP income that will be available (defensive, offensive, missions, cross plexing) you'd need much higher waste % than the ones mentioned .. since winter is likely to be the last iteration for a while we'd better analyze the crap out of it so we can stop it before getting stuck with another pile of manure for X years.
In short: There needs to be much harsher mechanics in place to prevent the 2 Militia scenario, can be on either side, f.ex. The deeper the hole, the faster your plexes.
Except that's not what Damar's saying at all. He's saying Gallente have Devs and Minnies have CSM, and CCP is conspiring to end the war in the favor of Gallente/Minmatar and shut FW down forever.
Damar wrote:And CCP/Hans get what they want, can declare victory and CCP shuts down FW since nobody is playing for Amarr/Caldari.
If you're arguing that there should be more mechanics to favor the losing militia and encourage 'comebacks,' that's fine. That veers into the reasonable.
That said, I think you're making too much out of the 'Gross LP Advantage = Irreversible Victory' angle. Making isk after the Winter Expansion will be fairly easy for everyone in FW, even if you're on the "losing" side. In fact, your faction making less LP overall will increase the market value of your LP store offerings.
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Lili Lu
376
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Posted - 2012.09.03 19:39:00 -
[38] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Dread Operative wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150259&find=unread
Post here if you don't like ship restriction changes. Why you whine about these changes? We know that in actual fact you love the fact there will only be logistic blobs now for "medium" plexes. You are just getting what CCP wanted. You have Dev playing for Gallente side and Hans in CSM. So come next year, you should be where CCP/Hans wants you to be. Gallente/Matar on top, aided by the faulty mechanics and the fact that everyone and their dog joins matar for farming and sends them to Caldari space and situation is tightly stamped to place when NPC's remove farming and plex changes make it so that logistic blob can just roll around and defense everything. Add this to fact the "Trolldor" factor you can do for plexes which you actually ALREADY DO (link boosted mwd vigil off grid to stop plex despawning) and there will be land grab before patch, it's going to benefit gal/matar and that's all she wrote. And CCP/Hans get what they want, can declare victory and CCP shuts down FW since nobody is playing for Amarr/Caldari. And here I thought this thread would be about game mechanics, and that it would be somewhat boring. However,
I did not think there was anyone in this game as mentally ill as here displayed. Mister Damar I salute your depth of delusion and desire to promote the propaganda that will surely save your people from unfair defeat and bring them into glorious real victory. May your identification with a fictional race of poor persecuted internet spaceship fascists never end. 07 |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
323
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Posted - 2012.09.03 22:32:00 -
[39] - Quote
Logi are sometimes the only reason (Ok I lied, triple links too ) why we caldari are able to engage a justified chaos blob on a gate/in a major. They allow caldari to fight outnumbered, and even then just the simple showing of logi wins the plex because most gallente are scared to fight a caldari gang half their size if it has logi *cough*.
An issue for newer players might come up if they can only fly t1 cruisers for mediums and have to go against T2 cruisers, but then again a moa, rupture or thorax isn't that much less effective than their T2 counterparts. Now if you fly amarr T1 cruisers...Ok I see a valid point there. Some T1 cruisers need fixing...so do some HACS too. Ever since the tier 3 battlecruisers were introduced you only see hacs as often as...never. (You do see AHAC gangs, but they're not that common unless they're hugging a titan in sujarento, nisuwa, iralaja, etc). I haven't seen a sniper HAC gang in quite some time.
As far the comments regarding "falcon/logi at range= autowin" fit some damps. It's not like gallente engage on the fly anyway, you guys keep us waiting for like, an hour before you guys bring a fight to some of our proper gangs with as many numbers you could rally in that hours time (which generally varies from a 3:1 numbers ratio to a 7:1 ratio). You have plenty of time to scout out our gang, get our fleet comp, get everyyyyoneeeeeeeee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTsuvykUZk), and come up with a counter fleet comp (that is also 3x our numbers or more). |
Major Killz
Chaotic Tranquility Kraken.
65
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Posted - 2012.09.03 23:29:00 -
[40] - Quote
Glad they nerfed the lp store. Now there's no reason to go inside a plex. Doesnt matter anyway. Most of my engagements are on the plex gate or somewhere else (fu*k ship restrictions).
Ship restrictions are lame and is akin to hand holding. There should be NO 'arena' like sh!t. If you want that sh!t, go join rvb. Any and everything can and should happen. Otherwise its as lame as the alliance tournament.
The changes to the lp store will hurt alot of corporations and alliances that rely on it (saw this coming and planned for it, heh!). There may b even less reason to work with each other just because j**s and long winded talkers (politics) want more isk so they can go afk and change skills.
I may be a caldari ultranationalist terrorist, but even i dont take faction warfare seriously. However, I'm somewhat interested in seeing how this will effect the fighting. Will I have to rely more on pirating and roaming 0.0 or will I be able to farm the other faction for about atleast a year?. I'm interested in how these changes will effect activity on the other side (gallente), not so much my own milltia (caldari).
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
247
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:19:00 -
[41] - Quote
Shaalira D'arc wrote:
That said, I think you're making too much out of the 'Gross LP Advantage = Irreversible Victory' angle. Making isk after the Winter Expansion will be fairly easy for everyone in FW, even if you're on the "losing" side. In fact, your faction making less LP overall will increase the market value of your LP store offerings.
They do not make less LP , they just do missions => FW dies once again. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
247
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:21:00 -
[42] - Quote
Lili Lu wrote: And here I thought this thread would be about game mechanics, and that it would be somewhat boring. However,
I did not think there was anyone in this game as mentally ill as here displayed. Mister Damar I salute your depth of delusion and desire to promote the propaganda that will surely save your people from unfair defeat and bring them into glorious real victory. May your identification with a fictional race of poor persecuted internet spaceship fascists never end. 07
Truth is that Caldari total control ended because CCP nerfed things, even some experienced gallente pilots admits that. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
247
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:27:00 -
[43] - Quote
Major Killz wrote:Glad they nerfed the lp store. Now there's no reason to go inside a plex. Doesnt matter anyway. Most of my engagements are on the plex gate or somewhere else (fu*k ship restrictions).
Ship restrictions are lame and is akin to hand holding. There should be NO 'arena' like sh!t. If you want that sh!t, go join rvb. Any and everything can and should happen. Otherwise its as lame as the alliance tournament.
The changes to the lp store will hurt alot of corporations and alliances that rely on it (saw this coming and planned for it, heh!). There may b even less reason to work with each other just because j**s and long winded talkers (politics) want more isk so they can go afk and change skills.
I may be a caldari ultranationalist terrorist, but even i dont take faction warfare seriously. However, I'm somewhat interested in seeing how this will effect the fighting. Will I have to rely more on pirating and roaming 0.0 or will I be able to farm the other faction for about atleast a year?. I'm interested in how these changes will effect activity on the other side (gallente), not so much my own milltia (caldari).
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FW is not any arena type or alliance tournament type fight, even plexes restrict ship types you can still bring 1000 people more to plex than enemy.
FW plex fights are unique environment to fight in EVE and most experienced pvp pilots who are not experts on plex warfare avoid those because they can not use their typical tactics from other environments. |
Lili Lu
378
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Posted - 2012.09.04 04:26:00 -
[44] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote: Truth is that Caldari total control ended because CCP nerfed things, even some experienced gallente pilots admits that. Yeah, it's terrible that CCP realized the imbalance of npc ecm and decided to take that away. Clearly that supports Damar's paranoia.
Now I bet they are working on, oh hey they have said it already, ending the imbalance of non-speed tankable caldari npc missile spam v caldari farmers easily able to speed tank the ridiculous hybrid fail of the Gallente npcs. Again more evidence that CCP wants to persecute the poor caldari.
Why would they make a game, have the largest portion of the population roll caldari and have the caldari militia be the largest, buff caldari frigates now to be best in class, but still work to even out the npc so that Caldari would lose? It's unfair and evil of CCP. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
55
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Posted - 2012.09.04 05:17:00 -
[45] - Quote
Shaalira D'arc wrote:Your issue here is that you're too obsessed over who "wins." FW is designed as an eternal war system where anyone that wants PvP (and to make isk via PvP) can easily jump in. It's made to be an accessible and permanent feature of the game. "Victory" and "Defeat" for any given side is pretty meaningless, since FW is going to be a persistent feature for years to come.
This kind of drivel comes from corporation which already turns NPCs to fire on friendly militia and sends link boosted mwd boats off-grid to stop plex despawning because they cannot be asked to defend systems when they dont have overwhelming numbers. So tell me, who is obsessed about winning here?
Your whole militia is nothing but isk starved little c.unts who whine the moment someone intterrupts their farming and are shocked that someone might *gasp*, be living in low-sec and have vested interest to drive them out. For them, this is irrational behavior since we should all be mindless isk farmers. |
Dread Operative
Justified Chaos
11
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Posted - 2012.09.04 05:52:00 -
[46] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Shaalira D'arc wrote:Your issue here is that you're too obsessed over who "wins." FW is designed as an eternal war system where anyone that wants PvP (and to make isk via PvP) can easily jump in. It's made to be an accessible and permanent feature of the game. "Victory" and "Defeat" for any given side is pretty meaningless, since FW is going to be a persistent feature for years to come. This kind of drivel comes from corporation which already turns NPCs to fire on friendly militia and sends link boosted mwd boats off-grid to stop plex despawning because they cannot be asked to defend systems when they dont have overwhelming numbers. So tell me, who is obsessed about winning here? Your whole militia is nothing but isk starved little c.unts who whine the moment someone intterrupts their farming and are shocked that someone might *gasp*, be living in low-sec and have vested interest to drive them out. For them, this is irrational behavior since we should all be mindless isk farmers.
Not sure if trolling or really that stupid. |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
186
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Posted - 2012.09.04 06:49:00 -
[47] - Quote
The plex mechanic is the absolute best thing about FW pvp. I really don't want them to change the current restrictions. (Though I like the NPC and Button changes suggested). Plexes allows us our leet frigate and cruiser pvp. If not for them, we would have to do the super risky hot dropping of two Domis with two dreads and a carrier. That kind of suspense is just too much for us (I kid, I kid - it was fun anyway...).
And though I know there are people fom my corp that won't agree - the amount time it takes to form fleets because all of the meta considerations is getting out of hand. Admittedly, my patience is short- lived and I would rather leeroy ships to doom with a sub-par fleet makeup than miss a fight. All the nanofaggotry and T3 cloaky link ships that show up in every fleet is just gettin old. Logi is getting high on the annoyance list too. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
258
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Posted - 2012.09.04 07:29:00 -
[48] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:
Also, we derp with non l337 frigates. And for a corp half your size, we're killing half as much isk and losing half as much isk. Our pace is faster than yours which leads to more fun for the ADD guys in our corp (namely me!).
Logis need to be neuted or jammed. If logi chain gets set up inside plex it's game over with these new plex restrictions. Boredom ensues. If cloaky Falcon uncloaks when attacking force warps in, game over again.
IMO, Lockout may disagree, FW should favor faction ships. Let 0.0 favor T2 hulls. The proposed plex size restrictions clearly favor T2 ships and kill the advantages of the faction hulls.
First off, I am old, bitter and tired, fast pace makes me dizzy and confused :)
As for logi ... instead of complaining about how setting up at range will make them invulnerable, I'd take it as a challenge and try and figure out a workaround. Alpha or damps are the first that spring to mind, am sure there's more.
Last but not least, the faction vs t2 dilema is a false one. As Major Killz pointed above, in a sandbox there should be no favoured classes, no restricted classes. Let people bring what they want, they can bring supers for all I care, more stuff to kill/die to in a big ball of glory.
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Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
56
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Posted - 2012.09.04 09:10:00 -
[49] - Quote
Lock out wrote:Waah, I want to gank everything with bs/logi blob sitting on titan bridge!
0.0 that way ---->
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Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
204
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Posted - 2012.09.04 09:45:00 -
[50] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Lock out wrote:Waah, I want to gank everything with bs/logi blob sitting on titan bridge! 0.0 that way ---->
^^ We fly outgunned, We fly outnumbered. It's what we do. http://www.youtube.com/user/Flyinghotpocket/videos |
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Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
134
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:08:00 -
[51] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Lock out wrote:Waah, I want to gank everything with bs/logi blob sitting on titan bridge! 0.0 that way ---->
Sorry, but when FW first kicked off there were 100 man + bs blobs / fights every night of the week, so who determines that FW should be about small ship fights? tis a sandbox dont forget you get out of it what you want.
If we want to blob the **** out of you we will do, if we want to engage in small scale pvp we will do.
Just because you can not compete on this front doesnt mean its not part of FW - You wanna be the kings of small scale pvp then good on ya, go for it and fill your boots - some corps on the Gallente side feel the same way, some dont.
0.0 is an endgame for some but not everyone.
BS / Logi blobs in FW this way <--------------- |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
248
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:14:00 -
[52] - Quote
Lili Lu wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: Truth is that Caldari total control ended because CCP nerfed things, even some experienced gallente pilots admits that. Yeah, it's terrible that CCP realized the imbalance of npc ecm and decided to take that away. Clearly that supports Damar's paranoia. Now I bet they are working on, oh hey they have said it already, ending the imbalance of non-speed tankable caldari npc missile spam v caldari farmers easily able to speed tank the ridiculous hybrid fail of the Gallente npcs. Again more evidence that CCP wants to persecute the poor caldari. Why would they make a game, have the largest portion of the population roll caldari and have the caldari militia be the largest, buff caldari frigates now to be best in class, but still work to even out the npc so that Caldari would lose? It's unfair and evil of CCP.
people like you makes me sad, you have no idea what has happened in the past in FW. |
Dan Carter Murray
108
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:14:00 -
[53] - Quote
Lock out wrote:Waah, I want to gank everything with bs/logi blob sitting on titan bridge!
http://i.imgur.com/c6xGi.jpg |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
248
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:19:00 -
[54] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Lock out wrote:Waah, I want to gank everything with bs/logi blob sitting on titan bridge! 0.0 that way ----> Sorry, but when FW first kicked off there were 100 man + bs blobs / fights every night of the week, so who determines that FW should be about small ship fights? tis a sandbox dont forget you get out of it what you want. If we want to blob the **** out of you we will do, if we want to engage in small scale pvp we will do. Just because you can not compete on this front doesnt mean its not part of FW - You wanna be the kings of small scale pvp then good on ya, go for it and fill your boots - some corps on the Gallente side feel the same way, some dont. 0.0 is an endgame for some but not everyone. BS / Logi blobs in FW this way <---------------
those big fleets never enter FW complexes, so they did not actually play system control war at all, they used FW as free wardec, so i do not see how those big fleets are anyhow restricted with plex restrictions, no matter what can fit in plexes you can still fly those blobs. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
134
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:28:00 -
[55] - Quote
BM, you once pulled an awesome plan with SB'ing battleships against a Gallente gang warping to a plex gate and killed the majority of them.
So big ships / fleets do play a role in system control, just because they cant enter plexxes does not mean that they are not able to play a role.
Also, you want to live in and "own" a low sec system its not only just about plexxing - You need the numbers etc to be able to do this (yes keeping systems from vulnerable ofc requires small stuff as well), but to constantly keep a system under your control you need to also keep your opponents at bay.
And you can not do this with 5 people flying T1 frigates. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
134
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:29:00 -
[56] - Quote
Double post my bad. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
248
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:46:00 -
[57] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:BM, you once pulled an awesome plan with SB'ing battleships against a Gallente gang warping to a plex gate and killed the majority of them.
So big ships / fleets do play a role in system control, just because they cant enter plexxes does not mean that they are not able to play a role.
Also, you want to live in and "own" a low sec system its not only just about plexxing - You need the numbers etc to be able to do this (yes keeping systems from vulnerable ofc requires small stuff as well), but to constantly keep a system under your control you need to also keep your opponents at bay.
And you can not do this with 5 people flying T1 frigates.
Actually best way we used to prevent gallente plexing back in days were list of players who were considered as threat on plexing front, all those were monitored and located and when they were plexing they had to engage 5-10 PERVS member gang (mostly frigates) if they wanted to plex. After several days or weeks of harassment they usually decided that plexing in caldari / gallente front was not fun.
Even ex CSM Ankh quit his standing plexing mostly because of this.
You can not have total system control in FW if you only blob, you have to split your forces over whole FW area and plex or prevent enemy plexing. This is something that most people do not realize. |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
258
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:54:00 -
[58] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Gallactica wrote:BM, you once pulled an awesome plan with SB'ing battleships against a Gallente gang warping to a plex gate and killed the majority of them.
So big ships / fleets do play a role in system control, just because they cant enter plexxes does not mean that they are not able to play a role.
Also, you want to live in and "own" a low sec system its not only just about plexxing - You need the numbers etc to be able to do this (yes keeping systems from vulnerable ofc requires small stuff as well), but to constantly keep a system under your control you need to also keep your opponents at bay.
And you can not do this with 5 people flying T1 frigates. Actually best way we used to prevent gallente plexing back in days where list of players who were considered as threat on plexing front, all those were monitored and located and when they were plexing they had to engage 5-10 PERVS member if they wanted to plex. After several days or weeks of harassment they usually decided that plexing in caldari / gallente front was not fun. Even ex CSM Ankh quit his standing plexing mostly because of this. You can not have total system control in FW if you only blob, you have to split your forces over whole FW area and plex or prevent enemy plexing. This is something that most people do not realize.
I absolutely agree, however total control is not the goal for everyone in FW. I see that both you and Damar see it as the ultimate goal, and in a sense I understand your point of view. However for others , the end goal might be completely different. like holding a few vital systems, meta the crap out of the occupancy systems so it suits their financial purpouse or a number of other objectives. Notice that Gall was talking about owning "your " home system, not the whole FW map.
Also did Ankh throw any spacespoons at you before quitting plexing ? :) |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
134
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:56:00 -
[59] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Gallactica wrote:BM, you once pulled an awesome plan with SB'ing battleships against a Gallente gang warping to a plex gate and killed the majority of them.
So big ships / fleets do play a role in system control, just because they cant enter plexxes does not mean that they are not able to play a role.
Also, you want to live in and "own" a low sec system its not only just about plexxing - You need the numbers etc to be able to do this (yes keeping systems from vulnerable ofc requires small stuff as well), but to constantly keep a system under your control you need to also keep your opponents at bay.
And you can not do this with 5 people flying T1 frigates. Actually best way we used to prevent gallente plexing back in days were list of players who were considered as threat on plexing front, all those were monitored and located and when they were plexing they had to engage 5-10 PERVS member if they wanted to plex. After several days or weeks of harassment they usually decided that plexing in caldari / gallente front was not fun. Even ex CSM Ankh quit his standing plexing mostly because of this. You can not have total system control in FW if you only blob, you have to split your forces over whole FW area and plex or prevent enemy plexing. This is something that most people do not realize.
Agree with you mate, you need both the blob and smaller presense as well to totally dominate in FW - Just gets on my **** when you get the same numpties with the "waaah wahhh, you've spent too much time and effort becoming organised and efficient, you dont belong here get out" response.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
248
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:13:00 -
[60] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Gallactica wrote:BM, you once pulled an awesome plan with SB'ing battleships against a Gallente gang warping to a plex gate and killed the majority of them.
So big ships / fleets do play a role in system control, just because they cant enter plexxes does not mean that they are not able to play a role.
Also, you want to live in and "own" a low sec system its not only just about plexxing - You need the numbers etc to be able to do this (yes keeping systems from vulnerable ofc requires small stuff as well), but to constantly keep a system under your control you need to also keep your opponents at bay.
And you can not do this with 5 people flying T1 frigates. Actually best way we used to prevent gallente plexing back in days were list of players who were considered as threat on plexing front, all those were monitored and located and when they were plexing they had to engage 5-10 PERVS member if they wanted to plex. After several days or weeks of harassment they usually decided that plexing in caldari / gallente front was not fun. Even ex CSM Ankh quit his standing plexing mostly because of this. You can not have total system control in FW if you only blob, you have to split your forces over whole FW area and plex or prevent enemy plexing. This is something that most people do not realize. Agree with you mate, you need both the blob and smaller presense as well to totally dominate in FW - Just gets on my **** when you get the same numpties with the "waaah wahhh, you've spent too much time and effort becoming organised and efficient, you dont belong here get out" response.
There is many things that ends fun in FW easily, because people are not usually much organized.
Usually bringing falcon means that enemy brings more people, bringing logistics ships means enemy has to bring more people etc...
Same is with titan bridge, people know when enemy are ready to cyno stuff in and avoid fights that can not handle those.
Good example is draketrain, we had setup that had not much match in FW area so no one fight against us.
Also PERVS did thing wrongly back in days, we were too efficient, if i am going to be part of such corp some day we will change things a bit and lose some expencive **** on every match to keep enemy fighting.
Damar is good example about player who have managed to keep pvp going on, his rage upon enemy keeps people trying to kill him over and over again.
It is about keeping fights going on and new rules on plexes might be not so good on that aspect. |
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
276
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:57:00 -
[61] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:...Damar is good example about player who have managed to keep pvp going on, his rage upon enemy keeps people trying to kill him over and over again.... Hahahahaha, that made me giggle
Had the same impact on people back in the day (ie. when I was a plexing machine), only downside is that for all the awesome fights one gets solo one is almost always called primary when in gangs/fleets. Hell, noticed the same impulse myself .. go against an enemy gang, recognize name and conveniently hear any primary called as that name and go at him. Gotta have that grudge!
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Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
205
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:18:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Lock out wrote:Waah, I want to gank everything with bs/logi blob sitting on titan bridge! 0.0 that way ----> Your Statement
Sorry Gallactica/Lock out. While I agree with you EVE is what you want to make of it we must come to the agreement that corporations like WBR and SOTF (while remaining in FW) are the equivalent of a bear living in a petting zoo.
Time and time again SOTF pilots (including the two aforementioned) complain of not getting the fights they seek. WBR pilots complaining the minmatar front is not exciting enough for them as it turned into 'thrashers online'.
How many times have both SOTF and WBR had to rumble with the likes of Rooks and Kings, Pandemic Legion, Ninja Unicorns, snuff box etc. (you get the picture) just to get the sort of fights they love and live for?
Don't get me wrong, those fights are hugely fun, in fact I have an alt that is fully skilled for Guardian/Abbadon/Legion that will be lining up the last skill needed for full gunnery skills sometime this month. Problem is those 'perfect' fights are few and far between in my opinion. Leaving the pilot that seeks only those fights with weeks of thumb twirling in anticipation of that next BIG fight.
From my experience the first hour or two of a day in simple plex fighting can net me 5 to 10 kills not to mention the intense blood pumping action that we all love and are addicted to. The case for me was simple; Why wait for weeks on end for one blood pumping fight when I can have it (albeit in smaller doses of frig/cruiser/bc fights) pretty much everyday? At least thats my choice in EVE.
To your credit (and I say this with great disappointment) at least SOTF remains beneficial to the FW side they fight for. Lining up for bunker busting/counter bunker busting fleets being the Zenith corporation the Gallente look up to. WBR on the other hand in my opinion turned into an abomination of what it once stood for but that my friend is a totally separate can of worms I will refrain from bringing up here.
We all seek balance and to slant the mechanics of a certain aspect of EVE in our favor. But one must agree that FW was never meant for the type of slugfests your pilots seek. While yes the BS/logi fights happened in the past. Lets not forget they happened between WBR and SOTF. Both beasts as previously pointed out that have far outgrown the limited confines of FW.
Bottom line in most of the 'Anti' WBR/SOTF posts like the one pointed out by Damar is simple.... The fighting style of both corps is just to big to be confined in FW. Based in FW is fine, but confined to it? no. And your hope that the new FW fighting mechanics will be slightly tilted to allow you to play your game in FW is what all the objection is about.
Besides who wants to pet a bear when there are fluffy bunnies as an alternative.
We fly outgunned, We fly outnumbered. It's what we do. http://www.youtube.com/user/Flyinghotpocket/videos |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
134
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:49:00 -
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Fair enough comments Mantis.
The point is though, you dont have to be blinkered (like a hell of a lot of people are) with just FW - Just because we are in FW does not mean we have to be confined to it, thats our sandox.
The other night for example we had a scrap with the Russian dudes 50 of us v 120 of them, not a huge amount of kills / losses but it was great fun - 10 mins after we got back to Nisuwa we shipped to Thrashers and chased a plexxing gang out of Nisuwa and did a roam in them.
2 nights ago Caldari had a large sized fleet that outnumbered ours and without the batphone that they had we would have taken that fight too - Again the same night the same gang was around and we welped a Talos / Naga gang onto it and killed a few faction BS.
Point is just because you are in FW you dont have to limit yourself to just that and you cant have fun in numerous areas without being organised.
Anyway, back on topic. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.09.04 15:06:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:
WBR on the other hand in my opinion turned into an abomination of what it once stood for but that my friend is a totally separate can of worms I will refrain from bringing up here.
Oh no, now you've made me curious : what did it once stand for? what does it stand for now?
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
467
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Posted - 2012.09.04 15:48:00 -
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Lock out wrote:First off, I am old, bitter and tired, fast pace makes me dizzy and confused :)
As for logi ... instead of complaining about how setting up at range will make them invulnerable, I'd take it as a challenge and try and figure out a workaround. Alpha or damps are the first that spring to mind, am sure there's more.
Last but not least, the faction vs t2 dilema is a false one. As Major Killz pointed above, in a sandbox there should be no favoured classes, no restricted classes. Let people bring what they want, they can bring supers for all I care, more stuff to kill/die to in a big ball of glory.
Sorry, didn't realize it was a troll. Anyways, There's three natural breakpoints for plexes. 1. Max T2 Ship (frig, dessie, bc, bs). 2. Max Level Pirate Faction Ship (frig/dessie, cruiser, bc, bs) (current) 3. Max Empire Faction Ship (frig/dessie, cruiser, bc, bs)
Whichever one CCP chooses (it looks like #1 right now), but ought to be #3 IMO), we'll adjust accordingly.
But back to the original post. Defensive alts in stabbed mwd frigates will rult the day in plexes. Grief offensive plexers until they leave. With such a huge advantage to defense (both LP and griefing), FW will stagnate. |
Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
478
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Yuri Intaki wrote:...Your whole militia is nothing but isk starved little people... Damar-edited Lock out wrote: Waah, I want to gank everything with bs/logi blob sitting on titan bridge!
0.0 that way ---->
According to Damar, GalMil is composed of:
1) "Isk-starved" people. 2) People who don't hesitate to throw faction BS / logi fleets into battle via titan-bridge.
I suppose delusions don't have to be consistent.
Back to constructive discussion, I agree with Gallactica's sentiment that FW is just part of the sandbox. You can devote as much or as little of your time into the intended mechanics as you wish. Being in a militia doesn't require that you play the game a certain way.
Part of why we have a set of diverse corporations is to cater to different playstyles and time zones. People who don't like to fly the way SoTF does can always sign up with a different corp or vice versa.
As far as plex mechanics goes, people generally want several things out of it: 1) A mechanic to encourage PvP. 2) Isk, so people can 'make a living' off of FW if they so chose. 3) An occupancy metagame that 'makes sense' and immersively resembles an actual war.
Number one seems best served by making the "cut-off" point of a lot of plexes a basic t1 empire hull. As the popularity of RvB shows, there's a rather big demand for cheap and accessible PvP. People will gladly throw their ruppies and thoraxes into the fray, if they're not owned every time by a cynabal.
And to encourage PvP, CCP should definitely do away with plans to allow a single WT to stop the timer just by being on grid. Speedy Benny-Hill chases don't make for satisfying pew pew for a lot of players. But this has been a very commonly-voiced reservation about Ytterbium's posts, and I'd be surprised if this possibility isn't on CCP's radar. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
249
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Posted - 2012.09.04 19:51:00 -
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Shaalira D'arc wrote: And to encourage PvP, CCP should definitely do away with plans to allow a single WT to stop the timer just by being on grid. Speedy Benny-Hill chases don't make for satisfying pew pew for a lot of players. But this has been a very commonly-voiced reservation about Ytterbium's posts, and I'd be surprised if this possibility isn't on CCP's radar.
Behavior like this, orbitting 200km and looking how enemy captures plex is natural reaction even now for some gallente players. With new changes ccp just makes it mean something.
Whole idea why enemy being in plex halts capture is that ccp want to prevent players from disabling npc spawning with oppsing militia alts. Sad thing that solution to fix another problem bring bigger issues than it fixes.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
468
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Posted - 2012.09.04 20:08:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Behavior like this, orbitting 200km and looking how enemy captures plex is natural reaction even now for some gallente players. And Caldari players as well....
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Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
478
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Posted - 2012.09.04 20:21:00 -
[69] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:[quote=Shaalira D'arc] Behavior like this, orbitting 200km and looking how enemy captures plex is natural reaction even now for some gallente players. With new changes ccp just makes it mean something.
Gallente this, GalMil that. You guys are an angry bunch.
Are you having fun in FW? I'm having fun. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
249
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Posted - 2012.09.04 20:48:00 -
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Shaalira D'arc wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:[quote=Shaalira D'arc] Behavior like this, orbitting 200km and looking how enemy captures plex is natural reaction even now for some gallente players. With new changes ccp just makes it mean something.
Gallente this, GalMil that. You guys are an angry bunch. Are you having fun in FW? I'm having fun.
Angry? No. You do not just seem to realize how it goes. All Caldari see is how their enemy does stupid things, usually you do not see what your own militia does. So most of my observations are from gallente players as enemy.
So all i see now is how gallente player try to be smart and smack something, but fails miserably. |
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Quentin Marshall
State Protectorate Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.09.04 21:38:00 -
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Shaalira D'arc wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:[quote=Shaalira D'arc] Behavior like this, orbitting 200km and looking how enemy captures plex is natural reaction even now for some gallente players. With new changes ccp just makes it mean something.
Gallente this, GalMil that. You guys are an angry bunch. Are you having fun in FW? I'm having fun.
You'd be angry too if you had badmouthed and talked smack in local to another Caldari militia corp and then caused your own alliance to be permanently wardecced by them.
So no, I don't think NAERY is having alot of fun. So much so that Caldari State Capturing has failscascaded and NAERY abandoned the alliance because they couldn't deal with the war. Honestly, I wish Damar would stop poisoning Cal Mil with all his incessant and immature behavior. We were doing well until this latest fiasco.
Quote:So all i see now is how gallente player try to be smart and smack something, but fails miserably.
Oh the irony here . |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
273
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Posted - 2012.09.04 21:49:00 -
[72] - Quote
Quentin Marshall wrote:You'd be angry too if you had badmouthed and talked smack in local to another Caldari militia corp and then caused your own alliance to be permanently wardecced by them.
Let me guess: Fweddit? |
Diametrix
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
9
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:04:00 -
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Shaalira D'arc wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Dread Operative wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150259&find=unread
Post here if you don't like ship restriction changes. Why you whine about these changes? We know that in actual fact you love the fact there will only be logistic blobs now for "medium" plexes. You are just getting what CCP wanted. You have Dev playing for Gallente side and Hans in CSM. So come next year, you should be where CCP/Hans wants you to be. Gallente/Matar on top, aided by the faulty mechanics and the fact that everyone and their dog joins matar for farming and sends them to Caldari space and situation is tightly stamped to place when NPC's remove farming and plex changes make it so that logistic blob can just roll around and defense everything. Add this to fact the "Trolldor" factor you can do for plexes which you actually ALREADY DO (link boosted mwd vigil off grid to stop plex despawning) and there will be land grab before patch, it's going to benefit gal/matar and that's all she wrote. And CCP/Hans get what they want, can declare victory and CCP shuts down FW since nobody is playing for Amarr/Caldari. Tinfoil hat business aside. Your issue here is that you're too obsessed over who "wins." FW is designed as an eternal war system where anyone that wants PvP (and to make isk via PvP) can easily jump in. It's made to be an accessible and permanent feature of the game. "Victory" and "Defeat" for any given side is pretty meaningless, since FW is going to be a persistent feature for years to come. If you're expecting some grand resolution to the conflict, some Tibus Heth or Jamyl Sarum deus ex machina to move the plotline along, then don't hold your breath. AURORA is dead. CCP no longer produces in-character news articles. All plotline movement is tied to development schedules, and frozen after the new feature has been implemented. Now that Incursions are around as a game feature, the Sansha storyline is locked in place. Kuvekai is going to be ineffectually raiding in perpetuity. Expect similar treatment for FW. Think of this as a children's game of cop's and robbers. People who die get right back up and jump back into the fray. The participants aren't playing to win or lose, but to point fingers at each other and go "pew pew." Winning the game is meaningless; playing the game is everything. This is MMORPG logic. If you're having fun in FW, if you honestly enjoy PvP, making isk in combat, or whatever immersion you derive out of fighting for one of the four big factions, then all's good. But if you're waiting for CCP to call a winner, you're going to be waiting for a long, long time.
Good post and on target. Which is why DUST will have a special place in FW, I hope. Has there been any CCP discussion around that aspect with all the upcoming changes? |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
250
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:09:00 -
[74] - Quote
Quentin Marshall wrote: You'd be angry too if you had badmouthed and talked smack in local to another Caldari militia corp and then caused your own alliance to be permanently wardecced by them.
So no, I don't think NAERY is having alot of fun. So much so that Caldari State Capturing has failscascaded and NAERY abandoned the alliance because they couldn't deal with the war. Honestly, I wish Damar would stop poisoning Cal Mil with all his incessant and immature behavior. We were doing well until this latest fiasco..
Me angry about wardec?
You should know that i am well know about long wars, longest wardec PERVS had lasted more than 1 and half year, until enemy surrended.
We did not get war because of badmouthing, we got it because alliance who wardeced us has leaders from the DARK and they are still mad for us for some reason. Reason really does not matter because they are gallente militia after all. I was talking about their actions against caldari militia when they wardeced us but is just excuse for wardec, true reason is something else.
I doubt that wardec was not the reason why we left alliance.
And what comes to me and Damar, you can always trust that we are loyal to Caldari State, if that does not fit in your plans it is your problem not ours. |
Quentin Marshall
State Protectorate Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:28:00 -
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Oh of course. I should've known that somehow Gal Mil's fault again and never ever the constant drama that is Cal Mil and your own mouth that got you in trouble.
The fact is that YOU USED TO BE a PVPer. But nowadays, you're a forum warrior with bad grammar and a pvp hack whose glory days of Draketrain is behind him. You spin your days orbiting buttons and avoiding bigger gangs and wardecs because you;
a) don't have the motivation to pvp b) don't have the personnel to pvp c) are afraid to pvp
Please just leave Cal Mil and let the mature people run the militia. We're all better off without you two roleplaying idiots.
Regardless, I'm glad you're still getting wardecced because you're only showing your true colors; cowards and bad pvpers who run. And yes, leaving the alliance was partly due to alliance inactivity (because of the wardec), and partly due to schisms in leadership that were caused because of the wardec |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
468
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:43:00 -
[76] - Quote
Post with main. Quentin Marshall
Quentin Marshall is definitately afraid to pvp and probably only orbits buttons all day to farm. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
250
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Posted - 2012.09.05 00:22:00 -
[77] - Quote
Quentin Marshall wrote:Oh of course. I should've known that somehow Gal Mil's fault again and never ever the constant drama that is Cal Mil and your own mouth that got you in trouble. The fact is that YOU USED TO BE a PVPer. But nowadays, you're a forum warrior with bad grammar and a pvp hack whose glory days of Draketrain is behind him. You spin your days orbiting buttons and avoiding bigger gangs and wardecs because you; a) don't have the motivation to pvp b) don't have the personnel to pvp c) are afraid to pvp Please just leave Cal Mil and let the mature people run the militia. We're all better off without you two roleplaying idiots. Regardless, I'm glad you're still getting wardecced because you're only showing your true colors; cowards and bad pvpers who run. And yes, leaving the alliance was partly due to alliance inactivity (because of the wardec), and partly due to schisms in leadership that were caused because of the wardec
Draketrain has nothing to do with my pvp 'glory'
Again one who try to smack without facts.
And if i have to choose one of your choises it would be option a.
There is no much reasons to fight in EVE that inspires me much, not even FW has currently any reason to fight, alts can do everything, no point to play with mains.
True, colour is Caldari, not any gallente puppet
Anyway, smacking me about my doings does not affect much, i've always done things as i want and i always will do, i do not need your approval, i do have my own visions how to play. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
59
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Posted - 2012.09.05 04:51:00 -
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Shaalira D'arc wrote: 1) "Isk-starved" people. 2) People who don't hesitate to throw faction BS / logi fleets into battle via titan-bridge.
1) You are from minmatar militia, which consists of 99% nothing but lp farmers.
2) That is gallente militia who is filled by untalented hacks like Psymn/Crosi Wesdo who could not pvp their way out of wet paper bag if they didnt have their t3 links, neutral guardians, titan bridges, etc. Yet claim they are best thing since sliced bread.
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Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
356
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Posted - 2012.09.05 05:27:00 -
[79] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Shaalira D'arc wrote: 1) "Isk-starved" people. 2) People who don't hesitate to throw faction BS / logi fleets into battle via titan-bridge.
1) You are from minmatar militia, which consists of 99% nothing but lp farmers. 2) That is gallente militia who is filled by untalented hacks like Psymn/Crosi Wesdo who could not pvp their way out of wet paper bag if they didnt have their t3 links, neutral guardians, titan bridges, etc. for their "solo pvp". Yet claim they are best thing since sliced bread.
Ignore drama, hes just mad i plexed intaki and killed 3 of his afk plexers. |
Lev Arturis
Dark-Rising
9
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Posted - 2012.09.05 06:46:00 -
[80] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Quentin Marshall wrote: You'd be angry too if you had badmouthed and talked smack in local to another Caldari militia corp and then caused your own alliance to be permanently wardecced by them.
So no, I don't think NAERY is having alot of fun. So much so that Caldari State Capturing has failscascaded and NAERY abandoned the alliance because they couldn't deal with the war. Honestly, I wish Damar would stop poisoning Cal Mil with all his incessant and immature behavior. We were doing well until this latest fiasco..
Me angry about wardec? You should know that i am well know about long wars, longest wardec PERVS had lasted more than 1 and half year, until enemy surrended. We did not get war because of badmouthing, we got it because alliance who wardeced us has leaders from the DARK and they are still mad for us for some reason. Reason really does not matter because they are gallente militia after all. I was talking about their actions against caldari militia when they wardeced us but is just excuse for wardec, true reason is something else. I doubt that wardec was not the reason why we left alliance. And what comes to me and Damar, you can always trust that we are loyal to Caldari State, if that does not fit in your plans it is your problem not ours.
And which leader should that be? Do you know how many pilots were in Dark-Rising during 6 years?
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
250
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Posted - 2012.09.05 09:13:00 -
[81] - Quote
Lev Arturis wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Quentin Marshall wrote: You'd be angry too if you had badmouthed and talked smack in local to another Caldari militia corp and then caused your own alliance to be permanently wardecced by them.
So no, I don't think NAERY is having alot of fun. So much so that Caldari State Capturing has failscascaded and NAERY abandoned the alliance because they couldn't deal with the war. Honestly, I wish Damar would stop poisoning Cal Mil with all his incessant and immature behavior. We were doing well until this latest fiasco..
Me angry about wardec? You should know that i am well know about long wars, longest wardec PERVS had lasted more than 1 and half year, until enemy surrended. We did not get war because of badmouthing, we got it because alliance who wardeced us has leaders from the DARK and they are still mad for us for some reason. Reason really does not matter because they are gallente militia after all. I was talking about their actions against caldari militia when they wardeced us but is just excuse for wardec, true reason is something else. I doubt that wardec was not the reason why we left alliance. And what comes to me and Damar, you can always trust that we are loyal to Caldari State, if that does not fit in your plans it is your problem not ours. And which leader should that be? Do you know how many pilots were in Dark-Rising during 6 years?
Happy-endings alliance who wardeced us, their executor corp has CEO who is ex DARK member, also some other corporations has ex DARK members as CEO.
Next you will try to tell me that i am just paranoid, but i all i have done is to commented about their doings in caldari miliita. They killed our friends in amarr miliita who were helping us to plex systems for tier 5, also they wardeced that amarr militia corporation. But that wardec did not went so good for them, they got pissed of and wardeced us too.
If some people are shooting our own miliita or amarr milita with their mains or with their pirate alts or with their gallente alts continously, i do not consider those as loyal caldari, their intents and reasons are something else than have constructive militia cooperation.
We did not wardec anyone they did, we did not shoot any of their members or allies before wardec, not with alts or mains, they did.
So fact is that they have ex DARK members as alliance leaders, they shoot our own miltia and allies on way on other, and they wardec our ally militia and own militia. They are working for gallente by causing internal issues in Caldari militia, case is clear.
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Lev Arturis
Dark-Rising
9
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Posted - 2012.09.05 09:37:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Lev Arturis wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Quentin Marshall wrote: You'd be angry too if you had badmouthed and talked smack in local to another Caldari militia corp and then caused your own alliance to be permanently wardecced by them.
So no, I don't think NAERY is having alot of fun. So much so that Caldari State Capturing has failscascaded and NAERY abandoned the alliance because they couldn't deal with the war. Honestly, I wish Damar would stop poisoning Cal Mil with all his incessant and immature behavior. We were doing well until this latest fiasco..
Me angry about wardec? You should know that i am well know about long wars, longest wardec PERVS had lasted more than 1 and half year, until enemy surrended. We did not get war because of badmouthing, we got it because alliance who wardeced us has leaders from the DARK and they are still mad for us for some reason. Reason really does not matter because they are gallente militia after all. I was talking about their actions against caldari militia when they wardeced us but is just excuse for wardec, true reason is something else. I doubt that wardec was not the reason why we left alliance. And what comes to me and Damar, you can always trust that we are loyal to Caldari State, if that does not fit in your plans it is your problem not ours. And which leader should that be? Do you know how many pilots were in Dark-Rising during 6 years? Happy-endings alliance who wardeced us, their executor corp has CEO who is ex DARK member, also some other corporations has ex DARK members as CEO. Next you will try to tell me that i am just paranoid, but i all i have done is to commented about their doings in caldari miliita. They killed our friends in amarr miliita who were helping us to plex systems for tier 5, also they wardeced that amarr militia corporation. But that wardec did not went so good for them, they got pissed of and wardeced us too. If some people are shooting our own miliita or amarr milita with their mains or with their pirate alts or with their gallente alts continously, i do not consider those as loyal caldari, their intents and reasons are something else than have constructive militia cooperation. We did not wardec anyone they did, we did not shoot any of their members or allies before wardec, not with alts or mains, they did. So fact is that they have ex DARK members as alliance leaders, they shoot our own miltia and allies on way on other, and they wardec our ally militia and own militia. They are working for gallente by causing internal issues in Caldari militia, case is clear.
I give a crap what they do in your militia.
Poison Ivvy was in DARK for a bit more than a month and Nahzgul was a member in 2007/08 and I personaly don't even know that person. And yeah we totaly don't shoot our "alt" corp: http://dark-rising.co.uk/Dark/killboard/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=999
Like you said they have an ex member as CEO of the executor corp.....More than a thousand different people (not accounts) played this game in Dark-Rising.
You (and Damar) are Paranoid.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
250
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Posted - 2012.09.05 10:26:00 -
[83] - Quote
Lev Arturis wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Lev Arturis wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Quentin Marshall wrote: You'd be angry too if you had badmouthed and talked smack in local to another Caldari militia corp and then caused your own alliance to be permanently wardecced by them.
So no, I don't think NAERY is having alot of fun. So much so that Caldari State Capturing has failscascaded and NAERY abandoned the alliance because they couldn't deal with the war. Honestly, I wish Damar would stop poisoning Cal Mil with all his incessant and immature behavior. We were doing well until this latest fiasco..
Me angry about wardec? You should know that i am well know about long wars, longest wardec PERVS had lasted more than 1 and half year, until enemy surrended. We did not get war because of badmouthing, we got it because alliance who wardeced us has leaders from the DARK and they are still mad for us for some reason. Reason really does not matter because they are gallente militia after all. I was talking about their actions against caldari militia when they wardeced us but is just excuse for wardec, true reason is something else. I doubt that wardec was not the reason why we left alliance. And what comes to me and Damar, you can always trust that we are loyal to Caldari State, if that does not fit in your plans it is your problem not ours. And which leader should that be? Do you know how many pilots were in Dark-Rising during 6 years? Happy-endings alliance who wardeced us, their executor corp has CEO who is ex DARK member, also some other corporations has ex DARK members as CEO. Next you will try to tell me that i am just paranoid, but i all i have done is to commented about their doings in caldari miliita. They killed our friends in amarr miliita who were helping us to plex systems for tier 5, also they wardeced that amarr militia corporation. But that wardec did not went so good for them, they got pissed of and wardeced us too. If some people are shooting our own miliita or amarr milita with their mains or with their pirate alts or with their gallente alts continously, i do not consider those as loyal caldari, their intents and reasons are something else than have constructive militia cooperation. We did not wardec anyone they did, we did not shoot any of their members or allies before wardec, not with alts or mains, they did. So fact is that they have ex DARK members as alliance leaders, they shoot our own miltia and allies on way on other, and they wardec our ally militia and own militia. They are working for gallente by causing internal issues in Caldari militia, case is clear. I give a crap what they do in your militia. Poison Ivvy was in DARK for a bit more than a month and Nahzgul was a member in 2007/08 and I personaly don't even know that person. And yeah we totaly don't shoot our "alt" corp: http://dark-rising.co.uk/Dark/killboard/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=999Like you said they have an ex member as CEO of the executor corp.....More than a thousand different people (not accounts) played this game in Dark-Rising. You (and Damar) are Paranoid.
what ever |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
59
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Posted - 2012.09.05 12:13:00 -
[84] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Ignore drama, hes just mad i plexed intaki and killed 3 of his afk plexers.
You seem awfully butthurt when your farming alts get chased around and you are reminded of those death threats your militia sent. Perhaps you should ask your CEO to organise another evemail spam campaign or make another "Damar is a pedo" discussion to your militia chat. |
Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
356
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Posted - 2012.09.05 12:46:00 -
[85] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Ignore drama, hes just mad i plexed intaki and killed 3 of his afk plexers. You seem awfully butthurt when your farming alts get chased around and you are reminded of those death threats your militia sent. Perhaps you should ask your CEO to organise another evemail spam campaign or make another "Damar is a pedo" discussion to your militia chat.
So now its my militia that sent death threats, and no longer me personally? This is an encouraging change in your position and shows that you can control your bitter vitriol when certain steps are taken.
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
357
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Posted - 2012.09.05 13:39:00 -
[86] - Quote
So we're all in agreement the bleed % needs to be upped, right? (sorry, didn't mean to derail the forum warrioring)
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Dread Operative
Justified Chaos
13
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Posted - 2012.09.05 13:41:00 -
[87] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Ignore drama, hes just mad i plexed intaki and killed 3 of his afk plexers. You seem awfully butthurt when your farming alts get chased around and you are reminded of those death threats your militia sent. Perhaps you should ask your CEO to organise another evemail spam campaign or make another "Damar is a pedo" discussion to your militia chat.
I always get the mental picture of a 42 year old overweight man living in his mom's basement everytime this guy does his GalMil sent me death threats QQ'ing. Bro, I hate to break it too you, but it's only a game. Nothing to cry over or be so paranoid over. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
59
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Posted - 2012.09.05 13:44:00 -
[88] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:I always get the mental picture of a 42 year old overweight man living in his mom's basement everytime this guy does his GalMil sent me death threats QQ'ing. Bro, I hate to break it too you, but it's only a game. Nothing to cry over or be so paranoid over.
That's awfully nasty thing to say about Crosi Wesdo. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
137
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:00:00 -
[89] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Ignore drama, hes just mad i plexed intaki and killed 3 of his afk plexers. You seem awfully butthurt when your farming alts get chased around and you are reminded of those death threats your militia sent. Perhaps you should ask your CEO to organise another evemail spam campaign or make another "Damar is a pedo" discussion to your militia chat.
Oh god here we go again.
1. I have never organised / sent any eve mails like that. 2. The "death threats/pedo" thing again has nothing to do with me or my corp (and to re-iterate once more) whoever the village idiots are who did this need perma banning and need to get a life as that's pathetic. 3. And if it was said by someone in gallente you can not lump everyone who is in gallente fw with the same view (contrary to your rp bollox cop-out for "hating us"). 4. Get a life you sad sad little man and stop spewing the same Garbage over and over again. 5. Take a leaf out of BM's book and try to act with a little decorum if you do have a heavy rp slanted view.
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Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
59
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:19:00 -
[90] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:1. I have never organised / sent any eve mails like that.
Weird then that I regularly get mails like this and it usually comes as spam mail campaign. Of course the trickle dies down as my blocked list grows but there are plenty of alts to get by this.
You might notice it's your corporation member and it's naturally not the only person sending them.
HAPPY DAMAR DAY From: Bob McGenericname To: Damar Rocarion,
NEVER HAD I THOUGHT I WOULD LIVE TO SEE THE SECOND DAMAR DAY
I WAS IN A DARK PLACE AND THEN YOU LIFTED ME OUT
DAMAR, YOU'RE MY HERO
THANK YOU FOR TEMP BLUING GALLENTE ALL THOSE MONTHS AGO
BOB MCGENERICNAME YOUR BEST FAN FOREVER
DEAR PRETTY LADY WHO LIVES NEAR DAMAR From: Bob McGenericname To: Damar Rocarion,
DEAR DAMAR
YOUR FRIEND YURI HAS BLOCKED ME SO I HAVE TO SEND THIS THROUGH YOU
THANK YOU FOR BLUING GALLENTE ALL THOSE YEAR AGO. NEXT DAMAR DAY MAY WE ALL BE BLUE THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNYIELDING SUPPORT FOR HONOR HERO DAMAR ROCARION. WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT I AM SURE DAMAR COULD NOT HAVE MADE IT THROUGH THE LONG SPACE FINLAND NIGHTS ((INTAKI IS SPACE FINLAND AS FAR AS I CAN TELL)) LOVE, BOB
LOTS OF LOVE, BOB MCGENERICNAME
TO YURI,
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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins Amarr 7th Fleet
57
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:24:00 -
[91] - Quote
Quentin Marshall wrote:We're all better off without you two roleplaying idiots.
Says the roleplayer alt in NPC militia corp. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
131
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:26:00 -
[92] - Quote
Wow if **** like that gets to you...you might be playing the wrong game
Yuri Intaki wrote:Gallactica wrote:1. I have never organised / sent any eve mails like that. Weird then that I regularly get mails like this and it usually comes as spam mail campaign. Of course the trickle dies down as my blocked list grows but there are plenty of alts to get by this. You might notice it's your corporation member and it's naturally not the only person sending them.
HAPPY DAMAR DAY From: Bob McGenericname To: Damar Rocarion, NEVER HAD I THOUGHT I WOULD LIVE TO SEE THE SECOND DAMAR DAY I WAS IN A DARK PLACE AND THEN YOU LIFTED ME OUT DAMAR, YOU'RE MY HERO THANK YOU FOR TEMP BLUING GALLENTE ALL THOSE MONTHS AGO BOB MCGENERICNAME YOUR BEST FAN FOREVER
DEAR PRETTY LADY WHO LIVES NEAR DAMAR From: Bob McGenericname To: Damar Rocarion, DEAR DAMAR YOUR FRIEND YURI HAS BLOCKED ME SO I HAVE TO SEND THIS THROUGH YOU THANK YOU FOR BLUING GALLENTE ALL THOSE YEAR AGO. NEXT DAMAR DAY MAY WE ALL BE BLUE THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNYIELDING SUPPORT FOR HONOR HERO DAMAR ROCARION. WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT I AM SURE DAMAR COULD NOT HAVE MADE IT THROUGH THE LONG SPACE FINLAND NIGHTS ((INTAKI IS SPACE FINLAND AS FAR AS I CAN TELL)) LOVE, BOB LOTS OF LOVE, BOB MCGENERICNAME TO YURI,
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
59
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:32:00 -
[93] - Quote
Princess Nexxala wrote:Wow if **** like that gets to you...you might be playing the wrong game
Not at all, but I am merely showing that Gallactica is full of s.it as usual when he says I am not target of spam campaigns and other things I apparently "falsely accuse" Gallente miltiia about.
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Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
356
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:48:00 -
[94] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Wow if **** like that gets to you...you might be playing the wrong game Not at all, but I am merely showing that Gallactica is full of s.it as usual when he says I am not target of spam campaigns and other things I apparently "falsely accuse" Gallente militia doing. Since those are fairly regular occurrence, I find it impossible that he has not heard of them.
Falsely accusing people of making death threats is not the same is saying email spam didnt happen. Just because some gallente spam your inbox doesnt mean that gallactica is responsible.
I dont need to post this as everyone here already knows the deal but its sometimes interesting to watch a train wreck. |
Indorian
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:09:00 -
[95] - Quote
I'm looking at militia options for my corp. What resources are available for me? I"d like to start making contacts and decide on a militia to join/system to live out of. Is there an ingame chan I can chat on? |
Rydra Wong
Dark-Rising
7
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:12:00 -
[96] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote: *Blah Blah Blah* *TinFoil Hattery*
If I thought my influence was so great, that an NC. alt/spy who I talked to twice in 6 weeks while shooting romanians in Stain is now so loyal to our corp 1 year later, that he's war deccing terrible people like you, then I might have to run for CSM chairman next year.
The real question is,
Should I use my powers of persuasion for good or for evil? |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
118
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:30:00 -
[97] - Quote
And this continued bull crap is why I am so glad the changes are only months away. Back to ignoring ******** militia people and militia crap.
I am finally 100% convinced that Cal Mil will always be ******** no matter how much effort is put into cleaning the crap out of the toilet. Cal Mil is their own worst enemy. Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia....
By the way Frog Steamers is recruiting. Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
479
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:40:00 -
[98] - Quote
Indorian wrote:I'm looking at militia options for my corp. What resources are available for me? I"d like to start making contacts and decide on a militia to join/system to live out of. Is there an ingame chan I can chat on?
There's no unified channel between the militias. Given what went on in this thread, you can imagine what it'd devolve into.
There's a list if FW resources here. Just keep in mind that a lot of FW info on the wiki has been outdated ever since the Inferno expansion.
I'd suggest looking at the killboards, seeing which militia corporations are the most active, and chatting them up in their public channels.
As for where to live out of, Dotlan maps has its own section devoted to FW. Look it over and examine the map data to see where the 'hot spots' are, then come up with a decision. There are some well-known hub systems, but there are also some distinct advantages to establishing your own home system. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
137
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:08:00 -
[99] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Wow if **** like that gets to you...you might be playing the wrong game Not at all, but I am merely showing that Gallactica is full of s.it as usual when he says I am not target of spam campaigns and other things I apparently "falsely accuse" Gallente militia doing. Since those are fairly regular occurrence, I find it impossible that he has not heard of them.
I never said that some village idiots don't send you crap - I said that I don't or ever have done or condoned anything of that nature.
No, I havnt heard them. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
250
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:14:00 -
[100] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:And this continued bull crap is why I am so glad the changes are only months away. Back to ignoring ******** militia people and militia crap.
I am finally 100% convinced that Cal Mil will always be ******** no matter how much effort is put into cleaning the crap out of the toilet. Cal Mil is their own worst enemy. Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia....
By the way Frog Steamers is recruiting.
You were the problem in caldari militia, only you. |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
250
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:16:00 -
[101] - Quote
Indorian wrote:I'm looking at militia options for my corp. What resources are available for me? I"d like to start making contacts and decide on a militia to join/system to live out of. Is there an ingame chan I can chat on?
here is some caldari militia guide Caldari militia guide |
Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
479
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:21:00 -
[102] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:And this continued bull crap is why I am so glad the changes are only months away. Back to ignoring ******** militia people and militia crap.
You were the problem in caldari militia, only you.
Don't be hating on Don Bolsterbomb.
Haven't you heard the news? You're just a minion in his LP Cartel, a pawn in his Machiavellian scheming. |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
118
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:21:00 -
[103] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:And this continued bull crap is why I am so glad the changes are only months away. Back to ignoring ******** militia people and militia crap.
I am finally 100% convinced that Cal Mil will always be ******** no matter how much effort is put into cleaning the crap out of the toilet. Cal Mil is their own worst enemy. Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia....
By the way Frog Steamers is recruiting. You were the problem in caldari militia, only you.
...clearly...right? LOL Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
118
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:24:00 -
[104] - Quote
There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
59
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:49:00 -
[105] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia....
And I contributed to this thing exactly how? By attacking gallente held systems? Clearly I am evil genius whose goal is to always muck up things by getting people in bigger alliances/corps to wardec me
Fairly impressive for a corp consisting about half a dozen crazy finns, couple of ethnic minorities (joke, not to be taken seriously) and Tosi's pet donkey.... |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
206
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Posted - 2012.09.05 17:17:00 -
[106] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:And this continued bull crap is why I am so glad the changes are only months away. Back to ignoring ******** militia people and militia crap.
I am finally 100% convinced that Cal Mil will always be ******** no matter how much effort is put into cleaning the crap out of the toilet. Cal Mil is their own worst enemy. Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia....
By the way Frog Steamers is recruiting.
Welcome to the upper echlons of caldari politics. We are our own worse enemy always have been always will.
While I appluad your efforts in organizing things that is truly a good this militia needs.....
Corp leadership and old time caldari vets kinda got turned off by the 'bossing people around' vibe they got from you. The whole 'I own a teamspeack server and forums so What I say is final'
Trust me I love what you did and continue to do for calmil but just tone that bad part down and things could be so much better. At least that is the general opinion of old calmil vets Bomb. I dont have any issues with you just pointing out a leak in the boat.
We fly outgunned, We fly outnumbered. It's what we do. http://www.youtube.com/user/Flyinghotpocket/videos |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
118
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Posted - 2012.09.05 17:23:00 -
[107] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia.... And I contributed to this thing exactly how? By attacking gallente held systems? Clearly I am evil genius whose goal is to always muck up things by getting people in bigger alliances/corps to wardec me Fairly impressive for a corp consisting about half a dozen crazy finns, couple of ethnic minorities (joke, not to be taken seriously) and Tosi's pet donkey.... So lets air the dirty laundry out properly if NAERY is behind every evil which happens here. For some reason, you had issues with us having Amarr alts farming LP in gallente occupied systems despite this contributing or system flipping. Exactly how is this bad if we merely wanted to get some advantage for one timer Amarr lp dump? Happy Endings certainly had issues as was with the wardec against Emperor Throne Guards. Hell, we even agreed to leave that constellation for them and NAERY kept alts out of the area out of diplomatic concerns but wardec followed anyway and that was significant reason why things are in the shitters. I can even copy/paste the appropriate evemail here.
I really dont care what happened. My point is someone in Cal Mil always gets pissy because "someone may be gathering a "leadership status" "When that happens they decide to throw a revolt no matter how well things are working.
Its like this...cal mil is broke...someone fixes it ...then
"no u spy! u are out for urself! u dont care about the little 2 man corp that cant contribute anything! *rage* "Why are you not making things easy and convenient for my 2 man corp!! *rage* " I know lets cause drama and eff everything up because we are FW and no one should lead FW *rage*.......
I guess achieving 5 LP dumps and T5 is too much for Cal Mil to take in.
Its just silly, you have bitter vets mad because they dont play a role in militia anymore (because they actively do not) and then 3itch until they destroy what actually was working. Its an amazing thing I have never seen anywhere else.
Usually if it aint broke dont fix it.....in Cal Mil its lets break it because being fixed means we arent "free"
Ridciulous...I know lets DDOS the spy's Ts3 (aka the militi ts3)
If someone wants to war dec another cal mil corp have at it. If they do it because they think your icon should have blue hair instead of green...its fine with me.
There are too many **** ant corps in militias that cant contribute anything and then simply 3itch. This thread is proof of that.
Get over it. Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
137
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Posted - 2012.09.05 17:27:00 -
[108] - Quote
You should join Gallente it's all happy la la land and we all sing come by ya around a campfire cooking marshmallows. |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
118
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Posted - 2012.09.05 17:28:00 -
[109] - Quote
Stalking Mantis wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:And this continued bull crap is why I am so glad the changes are only months away. Back to ignoring ******** militia people and militia crap.
I am finally 100% convinced that Cal Mil will always be ******** no matter how much effort is put into cleaning the crap out of the toilet. Cal Mil is their own worst enemy. Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia....
By the way Frog Steamers is recruiting. Welcome to the upper echlons of caldari politics. We are our own worse enemy always have been always will. While I appluad your efforts in organizing things that is truly a good this militia needs..... Corp leadership and old time caldari vets kinda got turned off by the 'bossing people around' vibe they got from you. The whole 'I own a teamspeack server and forums so What I say is final' Trust me I love what you did and continue to do for calmil but just tone that bad part down and things could be so much better. At least that is the general opinion of old calmil vets Bomb. I dont have any issues with you just pointing out a leak in the boat.
The problem is the people that 3itch about it are the bitter vets that dont do anything to pitch in. People took it on their own plate to assume that "what was said went" instead it went
BB: Hey guys should we do x y or z.......ok you guys want Z sure thing
Bitter Vets: 4uck you BB we want to do X
BB: But the corps voted to do Z
Bitter Vet: 4uck you, Im not on anymore anyway so I will complain , wont take militia fleets out and sit in my own little system doing what I want to do
BB: Ok
Bitter Vet: Ok...what..ok!! You run the ts3! You must be forcing me to do what i dont want to do!!!
BB: umm...you're doing what you want....oh yea and even though you banned me from your "intel channel" you still have full admin rights to the ts3
Bitter Vets: SO! You just are a meanie
BB: *face palm*
I could name exact names and corps that chose not to do anything to help the militia except 3itch about what was being done. Never take mixed corp fleets out, never actual get in on the leadership meetings to choose a direction, etc.
I had one CEO that has 20 guys, all but 2 are afk (including him) come 3itch me out because he thought 35m a month was too much to pay for a ts3 channel............
Incredible...
edit
as another absurdity example: A CEO of a 100 man alliance complained during the organized t5 dump that his alliance couldnt upgrade 6 systems...that it was too much....
I wish I was making this stuff up, but this is the ******** 5hit I had to deal with. Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
251
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Posted - 2012.09.05 17:29:00 -
[110] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia.... And I contributed to this thing exactly how? By attacking gallente held systems? Clearly I am evil genius whose goal is to always muck up things by getting people in bigger alliances/corps to wardec me Fairly impressive for a corp consisting about half a dozen crazy finns, couple of ethnic minorities (joke, not to be taken seriously) and Tosi's pet donkey.... So lets air the dirty laundry out properly if NAERY is behind every evil which happens here. For some reason, you had issues with us having Amarr alts farming LP in gallente occupied systems despite this contributing or system flipping. Exactly how is this bad if we merely wanted to get some advantage for one timer Amarr lp dump? Happy Endings certainly had issues as was with the wardec against Emperor Throne Guards. Hell, we even agreed to leave that constellation for them and NAERY kept alts out of the area out of diplomatic concerns but wardec followed anyway and that was significant reason why things are in the shitters. I can even copy/paste the appropriate evemail here. I really dont care what happened. My point is someone in Cal Mil always gets pissy because "someone may be gathering a "leadership status" "When that happens they decide to throw a revolt no matter how well things are working. Its like this...cal mil is broke...someone fixes it ...then "no u spy! u are out for urself! u dont care about the little 2 man corp that cant contribute anything! *rage* "Why are you not making things easy and convenient for my 2 man corp!! *rage* " I know lets cause drama and eff everything up because we are FW and no one should lead FW *rage*....... I guess achieving 5 LP dumps and T5 is too much for Cal Mil to take in. Its just silly, you have bitter vets mad because they dont play a role in militia anymore (because they actively do not) and then 3itch until they destroy what actually was working. Its an amazing thing I have never seen anywhere else. Usually if it aint broke dont fix it.....in Cal Mil its lets break it because being fixed means we arent "free" Ridciulous...I know lets DDOS the spy's Ts3 (aka the militi ts3) If someone wants to war dec another cal mil corp have at it. If they do it because they think your icon should have blue hair instead of green...its fine with me. There are too many **** ant corps in militias that cant contribute anything and then simply 3itch. This thread is proof of that. Get over it.
I have had never any problems with your "caldari militia leadership", your problems with me started when you started to say idiotic things about amarr alts plexing on gallente systems.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
471
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Posted - 2012.09.05 17:41:00 -
[111] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote: I can even copy/paste the appropriate evemail here. I dare you. In fact, I double dare you to post them. |
Dan Carter Murray
111
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:05:00 -
[112] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote: I can even copy/paste the appropriate evemail here. I dare you. In fact, I double dare you to post it.
DEAR GOD X GAL WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOUR HAIR |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
251
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:12:00 -
[113] - Quote
Dan Carter Murray wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote: I can even copy/paste the appropriate evemail here. I dare you. In fact, I double dare you to post it. DEAR GOD X GAL WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOUR HAIR
gallente barber ****** it up it seems |
Quentin Marshall
State Protectorate Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:26:00 -
[114] - Quote
Stalking Mantis wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:And this continued bull crap is why I am so glad the changes are only months away. Back to ignoring ******** militia people and militia crap.
I am finally 100% convinced that Cal Mil will always be ******** no matter how much effort is put into cleaning the crap out of the toilet. Cal Mil is their own worst enemy. Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia....
By the way Frog Steamers is recruiting. Welcome to the upper echlons of caldari politics. We are our own worse enemy always have been always will. While I appluad your efforts in organizing things that is truly a good this militia needs..... Corp leadership and old time caldari vets kinda got turned off by the 'bossing people around' vibe they got from you. The whole 'I own a teamspeack server and forums so What I say is final' Trust me I love what you did and continue to do for calmil but just tone that bad part down and things could be so much better. At least that is the general opinion of old calmil vets Bomb. I dont have any issues with you just pointing out a leak in the boat.
Bolster does more for CalMil than what you or Amarr 7th or most of the senior bitter vets of Cal Mil could ever do. I really wish most of the bitter vets would leave CalMil and let the new guards take over. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
251
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:39:00 -
[115] - Quote
Quentin Marshall wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:And this continued bull crap is why I am so glad the changes are only months away. Back to ignoring ******** militia people and militia crap.
I am finally 100% convinced that Cal Mil will always be ******** no matter how much effort is put into cleaning the crap out of the toilet. Cal Mil is their own worst enemy. Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia....
By the way Frog Steamers is recruiting. Welcome to the upper echlons of caldari politics. We are our own worse enemy always have been always will. While I appluad your efforts in organizing things that is truly a good this militia needs..... Corp leadership and old time caldari vets kinda got turned off by the 'bossing people around' vibe they got from you. The whole 'I own a teamspeack server and forums so What I say is final' Trust me I love what you did and continue to do for calmil but just tone that bad part down and things could be so much better. At least that is the general opinion of old calmil vets Bomb. I dont have any issues with you just pointing out a leak in the boat. Bolster does more for CalMil than what you or Amarr 7th or most of the senior bitter vets of Cal Mil could ever do. I really wish most of the bitter vets would leave CalMil and let the new guards take over.
only thing that made caldari militia work together were inferno patch with tier 5 lp shop, bolstersbomb just was the guy who started to sort things up, but if there would not be bolsterbomb some one else would have done it anyway.
Bolsterbomb is just guy who managed to be on right place at right time. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
59
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:45:00 -
[116] - Quote
Quentin Marshall wrote:I really wish most of the bitter vets would leave CalMil and let the new guards take over.
If we are, as you say, irrelevant bitter people in small corps, then how come it is possible that supposedly we are to fault about the whole sorry situation you find yourself in?
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BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
118
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:03:00 -
[117] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Quentin Marshall wrote:I really wish most of the bitter vets would leave CalMil and let the new guards take over. If we are, as you say, irrelevant bitter people in small corps, then how come it is possible that supposedly we are to fault about the whole sorry situation you find yourself in?
Because the bitter vets 3itch the loudest and cause the most internal upset.
I have chat logs of MANY MANY bittervets telling people that I am a gallente spy as well as the other Kraken leadership. Lots of chat logs. Anyone that actually had weight was deemed a spy and was spread throughout other channels.
All it takes in a militia is to get the little irrelevant corps to start causing rakus to disrupt the whole boat. Which is what they did. Have a couple bitter vets start spreading rumors that Bolsterbomb is making isk hand over fist off the militia and then have one sorry reject (dragon sn1per) take it to an extreme to DDOS a team speak server that the entire militia used.
Its like putting the bullet in the gun and handing it to the guy while whispering in his ear "do it, he deserves it, do it..."
You can say you didnt do it but the bitter vets caused enough of a problem to disrupt the norm.
Just as an example: One bitter vet trolled the heck out of the intel channel over something his corpmate did, in the meantime one bitter vet came online (the only admin..hint hint...) banned half of militia from the channel.
In all the items that were setup by myself for the militia there were no less then 6 Admins that had access to all roles and user granted privileges. Including people I think are the biggest bitter *ickhead vets out there
All it takes in militia is for several guys to cross their arms and plant their feet to start problems. It isnt that they can cause the disruption by themself, its that they cause the wave of disruption. When people see this it is a ripple effect. If they arent going to do it, neither am I and so forth.
Anyone can destroy a militia easily. You can be one person that simply has a voice and all goes down the crapper.
That is how the disruption of cal mil occured. The bitter vets are simply bitter vets and will always be the problem. As an ex gallente that is one thing I see the difference in. Cal Mil bitter vets would rather sit in their single system and do what they want complaining and 3itching at the others while doing nothing. I can rattle off their names and several examples but it would do no good. I am simply grateful that in 2 months cal mil wont need them. Bitter Vets can go sit in their hole and complain that "Big Bad Bolster is mean"
Just for kicks. Just as an example. These bitter vets were mad because when kraken alliance was created all the people with a brain and all the people that lead fleets went over. The bitter vets were pissed, because no one was left to direct the lemmings. They did all sorts of stuff to disrupt the entire cal mil over it. They had these p1ss ant corps up in arms because they didnt have any fcs.
My response now, awwww you dont have an FC in your corp. Sounds like you need a new corp. Awww your ceo wasnt involved in the planning. Sounds like you need a new corp. Even when nthe forums were up and I had all militia ceos access to vote on what direction the militia should go CEOS wouldnt participate, but they sure liked to 3itch about it later.
Welcome to Cal Mil
Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins Amarr 7th Fleet
57
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Quentin Marshall wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:And this continued bull crap is why I am so glad the changes are only months away. Back to ignoring ******** militia people and militia crap.
I am finally 100% convinced that Cal Mil will always be ******** no matter how much effort is put into cleaning the crap out of the toilet. Cal Mil is their own worst enemy. Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia....
By the way Frog Steamers is recruiting. Welcome to the upper echlons of caldari politics. We are our own worse enemy always have been always will. While I appluad your efforts in organizing things that is truly a good this militia needs..... Corp leadership and old time caldari vets kinda got turned off by the 'bossing people around' vibe they got from you. The whole 'I own a teamspeack server and forums so What I say is final' Trust me I love what you did and continue to do for calmil but just tone that bad part down and things could be so much better. At least that is the general opinion of old calmil vets Bomb. I dont have any issues with you just pointing out a leak in the boat. Bolster does more for CalMil than what you or Amarr 7th or most of the senior bitter vets of Cal Mil could ever do. I really wish most of the bitter vets would leave CalMil and let the new guards take over.
And I really wish you would stop shitposting with an alt. Get your main here dude, it will be so much more funny! Currently Damar or BM himself has done more for Caldari, than Bolster and his whole corp and his whole alliance. Or maybe they even left, I dunno, irrelevant really. E.g. BM 1200+ kills, 322593 VP. I wanna see any of these "new leaders" show me a number anywhere near. And this is without alts. http://api.eve-online.com/eve/FacWarTopStats.xml.aspx/ |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
251
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:16:00 -
[119] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Quentin Marshall wrote:I really wish most of the bitter vets would leave CalMil and let the new guards take over. If we are, as you say, irrelevant bitter people in small corps, then how come it is possible that supposedly we are to fault about the whole sorry situation you find yourself in? Because the bitter vets 3itch the loudest and cause the most internal upset. I have chat logs of MANY MANY bittervets telling people that I am a gallente spy as well as the other Kraken leadership. Lots of chat logs. Anyone that actually had weight was deemed a spy and was spread throughout other channels. All it takes in a militia is to get the little irrelevant corps to start causing rakus to disrupt the whole boat. Which is what they did. Have a couple bitter vets start spreading rumors that Bolsterbomb is making isk hand over fist off the militia and then have one sorry reject (dragon sn1per) take it to an extreme to DDOS a team speak server that the entire militia used. Its like putting the bullet in the gun and handing it to the guy while whispering in his ear "do it, he deserves it, do it..." You can say you didnt do it but the bitter vets caused enough of a problem to disrupt the norm. Just as an example: One bitter vet trolled the heck out of the intel channel over something his corpmate did, in the meantime one bitter vet came online (the only admin..hint hint...) banned half of militia from the channel. In all the items that were setup by myself for the militia there were no less then 6 Admins that had access to all roles and user granted privileges. Including people I think are the biggest bitter *ickhead vets out there All it takes in militia is for several guys to cross their arms and plant their feet to start problems. It isnt that they can cause the disruption by themself, its that they cause the wave of disruption. When people see this it is a ripple effect. If they arent going to do it, neither am I and so forth. Anyone can destroy a militia easily. You can be one person that simply has a voice and all goes down the crapper. That is how the disruption of cal mil occured. The bitter vets are simply bitter vets and will always be the problem. As an ex gallente that is one thing I see the difference in. Cal Mil bitter vets would rather sit in their single system and do what they want complaining and 3itching at the others while doing nothing. I can rattle off their names and several examples but it would do no good. I am simply grateful that in 2 months cal mil wont need them. Bitter Vets can go sit in their hole and complain that "Big Bad Bolster is mean" Just for kicks. Just as an example. These bitter vets were mad because when kraken alliance was created all the people with a brain and all the people that lead fleets went over. The bitter vets were pissed, because no one was left to direct the lemmings. They did all sorts of stuff to disrupt the entire cal mil over it. They had these p1ss ant corps up in arms because they didnt have any fcs. My response now, awwww you dont have an FC in your corp. Sounds like you need a new corp. Awww your ceo wasnt involved in the planning. Sounds like you need a new corp. Even when nthe forums were up and I had all militia ceos access to vote on what direction the militia should go CEOS wouldnt participate, but they sure liked to 3itch about it later. Welcome to Cal Mil
Thing is that those vets have seen a lot of things before, many internal wardec and drama before, those vets have just what you ask to do, they usually have FC of their own, they have woking concepts for different things. They do not really want to participate every new try to do something else than just play FW.
You are not any special Bolsterbomb, you faced same problems than everybody else who tried to do same things before, and you could not solve those problems.
If you want to unite whole militia it requires lot of more than you have done. |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
120
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:19:00 -
[120] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote: Thing is that those vets have seen a lot of things before, many internal wardec and drama before, those vets have just what you ask to do, they usually have FC of their own, they have woking concepts for different things. They do not really want to participate every new try to do something else than just play FW.
You are not any special Bolsterbomb, you faced same problems than everybody else who tried to do same things before, and you could not solve those problems.
If you want to unite whole militia it requires lot of more than you have done.
And it starts by sending all bitter vets to amar. Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
323
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:21:00 -
[121] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Quentin Marshall wrote:I really wish most of the bitter vets would leave CalMil and let the new guards take over. If we are, as you say, irrelevant bitter people in small corps, then how come it is possible that supposedly we are to fault about the whole sorry situation you find yourself in? Because the bitter vets 3itch the loudest and cause the most internal upset. I have chat logs of MANY MANY bittervets telling people that I am a gallente spy as well as the other Kraken leadership. Lots of chat logs. Anyone that actually had weight was deemed a spy and was spread throughout other channels. All it takes in a militia is to get the little irrelevant corps to start causing rakus to disrupt the whole boat. Which is what they did. Have a couple bitter vets start spreading rumors that Bolsterbomb is making isk hand over fist off the militia and then have one sorry reject (dragon sn1per) take it to an extreme to DDOS a team speak server that the entire militia used. Its like putting the bullet in the gun and handing it to the guy while whispering in his ear "do it, he deserves it, do it..." You can say you didnt do it but the bitter vets caused enough of a problem to disrupt the norm. Just as an example: One bitter vet trolled the heck out of the intel channel over something his corpmate did, in the meantime one bitter vet came online (the only admin..hint hint...) banned half of militia from the channel. In all the items that were setup by myself for the militia there were no less then 6 Admins that had access to all roles and user granted privileges. Including people I think are the biggest bitter *ickhead vets out there All it takes in militia is for several guys to cross their arms and plant their feet to start problems. It isnt that they can cause the disruption by themself, its that they cause the wave of disruption. When people see this it is a ripple effect. If they arent going to do it, neither am I and so forth. Anyone can destroy a militia easily. You can be one person that simply has a voice and all goes down the crapper. That is how the disruption of cal mil occured. The bitter vets are simply bitter vets and will always be the problem. As an ex gallente that is one thing I see the difference in. Cal Mil bitter vets would rather sit in their single system and do what they want complaining and 3itching at the others while doing nothing. I can rattle off their names and several examples but it would do no good. I am simply grateful that in 2 months cal mil wont need them. Bitter Vets can go sit in their hole and complain that "Big Bad Bolster is mean" Just for kicks. Just as an example. These bitter vets were mad because when kraken alliance was created all the people with a brain and all the people that lead fleets went over. The bitter vets were pissed, because no one was left to direct the lemmings. They did all sorts of stuff to disrupt the entire cal mil over it. They had these p1ss ant corps up in arms because they didnt have any fcs. My response now, awwww you dont have an FC in your corp. Sounds like you need a new corp. Awww your ceo wasnt involved in the planning. Sounds like you need a new corp. Even when nthe forums were up and I had all militia ceos access to vote on what direction the militia should go CEOS wouldnt participate, but they sure liked to 3itch about it later. Welcome to Cal Mil
Best. Battlereport. Ever !
Come home Bolster. You've completed the job we assigned to you .
Dopified and the rest of us will be eagerly awaiting your arrival with a welcome home party ! Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
473
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:30:00 -
[122] - Quote
Bolsterbomb wrote:I have chat logs of MANY MANY bittervets telling people that I am a gallente spy as well as the other Kraken leadership.
I dare you to post the chatlogs. In fact, I double dare you.
Quote:I can rattle off their names and several examples
I triple dare you to rattle off those names and provide examples. TRIPLE DARE! |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
323
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:30:00 -
[123] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Bolsterbomb wrote:I have chat logs of MANY MANY bittervets telling people that I am a gallente spy as well as the other Kraken leadership. I dare you to post the chatlogs. In fact, I double dare you.
Dude. You're face ! Please put the goggles back on. Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
473
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:33:00 -
[124] - Quote
Deen Wispa wrote:Dude. You're face ! Please put the goggles back on. I am disrespect. |
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
10
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:38:00 -
[125] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:Dude. You're face ! Please put the goggles back on. I am disrespect.
Removing roles. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
473
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:39:00 -
[126] - Quote
Juan Rayo wrote:Removing roles. Application to Frog Steamers submitted. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
251
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:51:00 -
[127] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: Thing is that those vets have seen a lot of things before, many internal wardec and drama before, those vets have just what you ask to do, they usually have FC of their own, they have woking concepts for different things. They do not really want to participate every new try to do something else than just play FW.
You are not any special Bolsterbomb, you faced same problems than everybody else who tried to do same things before, and you could not solve those problems.
If you want to unite whole militia it requires lot of more than you have done.
And it starts by sending all bitter vets to amar.
Maybe it is easier to send you to amarr, there is not left much old vets |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
324
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Posted - 2012.09.05 21:05:00 -
[128] - Quote
Juan Rayo wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:Dude. You're face ! Please put the goggles back on. I am disrespect. Removing roles.
If XG goes, so goes Wispa.
Wispa + Xg + Bolster = Big Playz !
We just need to get Gavin back. Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
10
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Posted - 2012.09.05 21:11:00 -
[129] - Quote
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2760/galmiltackler4.jpg |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
120
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Posted - 2012.09.05 21:35:00 -
[130] - Quote
Juan Rayo wrote:http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2760/galmiltackler4.jpg
epic Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
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Mitch Taylor
Dark-Rising
8
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Posted - 2012.09.05 22:13:00 -
[131] - Quote
Nahzgul was in short shorts when he joined dark and only slightly longer ones when he left. FW was however just a twinkle in a devs eye ;)
just because your paranoid, doesn't mean there not after you ;)
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
324
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Posted - 2012.09.06 00:10:00 -
[132] - Quote
Juan Rayo wrote:http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2760/galmiltackler4.jpg
You forgot to include the headliner, "Gal Mil Alt Corp, Happy Endings, Forces Eha Militia To Failcascade"
Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
Major Killz
Chaotic Tranquility Kraken.
66
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:07:00 -
[133] - Quote
Well someone in this thread is pretty naive if they believe any of the other milltia's are REALLY organized (Caldari milltia is not alone). Infact, there's always pilots hating on the most powerful or well organized corporations and alliances. I've been in 3 of the 4 milltias since factional warfare began and I must say the "politics" are often the same. Which is why I have no interest in it. Most of the people talking (politics) are weak anyways. Which is why they rely on words and whatever form of diplomacy (standing) to make up for lack of ability.
I've only ever done 1 thing that could be considered weak in this milltia as far as diplomacy and this alliance is a result. Relations with other entites in the milltia are not important . As long as you're not firing @ each other. Why should anyone care what the other dude is doing or have anytime to hate? Everyone should just be pvping and destroying enemy ships...
Also, Damar and BM are paranoid. What of it? I find the aforementioned endearing = ) Plus they often say and do things that has been getting players angry for years v0v
Anyway. Doubt these changes will effect the Gallente, so I'm good with it so far. However, Caldari may lose alot of corporations and some alliance due to these changes. I understand BM's interest in CCP forcing some kind of reason for us to fight, but I know alot of corporations/alliances develop thier own reasons to fight (not suprising?). Which has alot to do with lack of organization (diffirent interest). There will never be enough dedicated faction corporations/alliances, because factional warfare is just 1 small aspect of this game. There are still bigger, better things an entity can achieve outside of factional warfare.
For this corporation. The reason for joining was to improve the experience and ability of our pilots. Isk/LP was not factored into that decision. However, Lp/Isk was stated as a benifit. I still believe factional warfare is a good place to produce good pilots in a short amount of time. So yes! Using Caldari milltia and factional warfare to become stronger (suprising, I know).
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Dread Operative
Justified Chaos
14
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:12:00 -
[134] - Quote
Best. Thread. Ever. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
324
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:32:00 -
[135] - Quote
*popcorn* |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
60
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Posted - 2012.09.06 08:25:00 -
[136] - Quote
This is why we all love Caldari militia. It's the GoT's north. Too big, savage and unruly to be commanded by a single man. Everyone should join our ranks and become as hairy, cool, beer guzzling savages as us |
Poison Ivvy
Astra Enterprises Happy Endings
35
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:49:00 -
[137] - Quote
Yo guys we are totally Gall alts!!!
I-¦m just loling at Damars latest attempt to get some attention :) May we have a long and fruitfull war, here in HE we are patient I hope I-¦ll break your year and half record time war so we can take special spot in all of Naery-¦s minds.
Now back to loling at all this drama that we could care less for :) We be here for the awesome pew epw and ty to Galls for never dissapointing HE in that aspect keep good fight coming!
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
473
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Posted - 2012.09.06 15:24:00 -
[138] - Quote
Two prominent members of the Caldari have been dared to post text of internal Caldari affairs as proof of conflict - I say DOUBLE dared, and even once triple dared. And.... nothing.
I can only conclude this drama is a Caldari militia conspiracy to divert attention from discussing CCP's proposed mechanics that will essentially favor the vast minions of Caldari (soon to become defensive) plexing alts. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
251
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Posted - 2012.09.06 15:40:00 -
[139] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Two prominent members of the Caldari have been dared to post text of internal Caldari affairs as proof of conflict - I say DOUBLE dared, and even once triple dared. And.... nothing.
I can only conclude this drama is a Caldari militia conspiracy to divert attention from discussing CCP's proposed mechanics that will essentially favor the vast minions of Caldari (soon to become defensive) plexing alts.
I do not know about that, internal wardecs are used strategy in militia so this issue fits fine in this thread. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
251
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Posted - 2012.09.06 15:44:00 -
[140] - Quote
Poison Ivvy wrote:Yo guys we are totally Gall alts!!!
I-¦m just loling at Damars latest attempt to get some attention :) May we have a long and fruitfull war, here in HE we are patient I hope I-¦ll break your year and half record time war so we can take special spot in all of Naery-¦s minds.
Now back to loling at all this drama that we could care less for :) We be here for the awesome pew epw and ty to Galls for never dissapointing HE in that aspect keep good fight coming!
It was some bitter caldari militia alt who started to talk about your wardec in here. |
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Bob TSlob
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
4
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:57:00 -
[141] - Quote
Poison Ivvy wrote:Yo guys we are totally Gall alts!!!
Confirming that we are DEFINATELY Gal alts. I still can't believe that hotdrop we faked when an entire Gal cap fleet was wiped out made ANYONE think we fought for the Cal Mil.
Also, BB, keep up the good work bro. I'm not sure why anyone in their right mind would willingly do what you do, but you do it AND get results. +1 |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
473
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:30:00 -
[142] - Quote
Bob TSlob wrote:Confirming that we are DEFINATELY Gal alts. I still can't believe that hotdrop we faked when an entire Gal cap fleet was wiped out made ANYONE think we fought for the Cal Mil.
Well done gentlemen. Mission accomplished.
The complete collapse of the Caldari militia made the cost of this deception well worth the price. We were happy to contribute to the fund. Happy Endings can keep Rakapas as a bonus, and feel free to roflstomp Fweddit when you return to Gallente Militia.
Bolster, for your part your bonus is waiting for you in Vlillirier. I hope you like lots of Navy Domis and Fed Navy Webs.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
201
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:33:00 -
[143] - Quote
Thank god the hair is back! |
Nahzgul
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
3
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:57:00 -
[144] - Quote
This has been an interesting read |
Nahzgul
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
3
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Posted - 2012.09.07 00:02:00 -
[145] - Quote
Mitch Taylor wrote:Nahzgul was in short shorts when he joined dark and only slightly longer ones when he left. FW was however just a twinkle in a devs eye ;)
just because your paranoid, doesn't mean there not after you ;)
I LOL'd in RL at this. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
475
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Posted - 2012.09.07 00:05:00 -
[146] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Thank god the hair is back! I will cut it off again if you return to game. JUSTK is going toe-to-toe with QCATS on the kbs right now. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
201
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Posted - 2012.09.07 03:42:00 -
[147] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:chatgris wrote:Thank god the hair is back! I will cut it off again if you return to game. JUSTK is going toe-to-toe with QCATS on the kbs right now.
Well, you can rest assured that I am OOG for at least two more weeks :( Even Nexx has overtaken my rank on BC (I was barely able to stay ahead when I was active).
But now that the gauntlet has been thrown, I'm looking forward to the challenge (if not the haircut) when I return! Raw kills, BC points, ISK destroyed will provide lots of metrics for fun competition and chest beating :) |
Manji Lee
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
57
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Posted - 2012.09.07 05:25:00 -
[148] - Quote
Poison Ivvy wrote:Yo guys we are totally Gall alts!!!
I-¦m just loling at Damars latest attempt to get some attention :) May we have a long and fruitfull war, here in HE we are patient I hope I-¦ll break your year and half record time war so we can take special spot in all of Naery-¦s minds.
Now back to loling at all this drama that we could care less for :) We be here for the awesome pew epw and ty to Galls for never dissapointing HE in that aspect keep good fight coming!
And before I know it... You be Burn FW... : |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
51
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Posted - 2012.09.07 06:55:00 -
[149] - Quote
Glad I don't get too involved in this ****.
I saw we were at war with another CalMil corp - but meh - just a few more turds in the sewer.
Let em waste their isk on dec fees.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
55
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Posted - 2012.09.07 07:41:00 -
[150] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:with new rules you can stop clock just by being in side plex, so using max speed fitted T1 frigate is quite good, you orbit timer and defend, when enemy enters you take 150km orbit or more and avoid enemy.
Because enemy needs some ship that can tank and kill npc it is most unlikely that he will never catch you alone.
just wait that he leaves and return to timer.
This is so classic of the EvE playerbase: Out looking for new ways to break a game mechanic before it's even introduced.
How many times does this pattern repeat itself? CCP introduces something new and interesting. They have a plan for how it will work. Ten seconds later the playerbase find a way to game/exploit/break the new thing, with the general theme of removing all risk and getting ten times the ISK out of it than was ever originally intended. When CCP finally gets around to fixing the easily exploited mechanics the playerbase then all starts crying "Wah! You're taking away my freedom! Sandbox something sandbox!"
The reality is simple: CCP creates a sandbox, the players then use it for a litterbox and then wonder why their "freedom of choice" keeps getting taken away. A good rule for MMOs in general is "Don't make the Devs your enemy." Yet for the EvE playerbase, the Devs are apparently seen as some kind of boss monster that you have to defeat to get the best loot.
At this point I would not be surprised if CCP simply removed FW entirely, since it's obvious that not enough people have any intentions of using it responsibly.
When will we learn? |
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Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
60
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Posted - 2012.09.07 09:58:00 -
[151] - Quote
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:This is so classic of the EvE playerbase: Out looking for new ways to break a game mechanic before it's even introduced.
Why do you seem to want to lay blame Caldari here (correct me if i'm wrong)? After all, this tactic is viable already with current mechanics to make sure plexes dont re-enter circulation and it's done by gallente militia all the time.
Bad Messenger is merely stating the obvious of what will be done if there is even one "rogue trader" around who decides current mechanics dont suit hi,. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
139
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Posted - 2012.09.07 10:10:00 -
[152] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:This is so classic of the EvE playerbase: Out looking for new ways to break a game mechanic before it's even introduced. Why do you seem to want to lay blame Caldari here (correct me if i'm wrong)? After all, this tactic is viable already with current mechanics to make sure plexes dont re-enter circulation and it's done by gallente militia all the time. Bad Messenger is merely stating the obvious of what will be done if there is even one "rogue trader" around who decides current mechanics dont suit hi,.
He didn't mention Caldari.
You are corrected. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
476
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Posted - 2012.09.07 13:12:00 -
[153] - Quote
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote: This is so classic of the EvE playerbase: Out looking for new ways to break a game mechanic before it's even introduced. ... When will we learn?
I think the point is to bring up how the mechanic will be exploited NOW, and in public, so CCP can adjust it before it goes live. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
60
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Posted - 2012.09.07 14:27:00 -
[154] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:I think the point is to bring up how the mechanic will be exploited NOW, and in public, so CCP can adjust it before it goes live.
"Working as intended, people are free to fly and/or cloak whereever they wish in space" = official CCP reply to previous petitions about gallentes using cloaky alts or link boosted mwd boats to stop plexes from despawning.
So grats, CCP is rewarding you with even easier ways to keep doing what you already do.
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Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
327
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Posted - 2012.09.07 14:52:00 -
[155] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia.... And I contributed to this thing exactly how? By attacking gallente held systems? Clearly I am evil genius whose goal is to always muck up things by getting people in bigger alliances/corps to wardec me Fairly impressive for a corp consisting about half a dozen crazy finns, couple of ethnic minorities (joke, not to be taken seriously) and Tosi's pet donkey.... So lets air the dirty laundry out properly if NAERY is behind every evil which happens here. For some reason, you had issues with us having Amarr alts farming LP in gallente occupied systems despite this contributing or system flipping. Exactly how is this bad if we merely wanted to get some advantage for one timer Amarr lp dump? Happy Endings certainly had issues as was with the wardec against Emperor Throne Guards. Hell, we even agreed to leave that constellation for them and NAERY kept alts out of the area out of diplomatic concerns but wardec followed anyway and that was significant reason why things are in the shitters. I can even copy/paste the appropriate evemail here. I really dont care what happened. My point is someone in Cal Mil always gets pissy because "someone may be gathering a "leadership status" "When that happens they decide to throw a revolt no matter how well things are working. Its like this...cal mil is broke...someone fixes it ...then "no u spy! u are out for urself! u dont care about the little 2 man corp that cant contribute anything! *rage* "Why are you not making things easy and convenient for my 2 man corp!! *rage* " I know lets cause drama and eff everything up because we are FW and no one should lead FW *rage*....... I guess achieving 5 LP dumps and T5 is too much for Cal Mil to take in. Its just silly, you have bitter vets mad because they dont play a role in militia anymore (because they actively do not) and then 3itch until they destroy what actually was working. Its an amazing thing I have never seen anywhere else. Usually if it aint broke dont fix it.....in Cal Mil its lets break it because being fixed means we arent "free" Ridciulous...I know lets DDOS the spy's Ts3 (aka the militi ts3) If someone wants to war dec another cal mil corp have at it. If they do it because they think your icon should have blue hair instead of green...its fine with me. There are too many **** ant corps in militias that cant contribute anything and then simply 3itch. This thread is proof of that. Get over it.
Not sure why organizing a Tier 5 push is any special feat. I'm not trying to bash you, but its really not something thats worth bragging about.
Also, this thread is really bad...apparently when CCP nerfed war decs and buffed FW, this subforum somehow became the new crime and punishment.
I don't understand this whole spy paranoia that pervades most militias. Who cares if you have a spai on comms or in your militia? Run your fleet from the lobby and just relax. What are they going to do? Let the enemy know your fleet comp? Egads! Are they going to infiltrate your alliance so they can let the the opposing militia when you plan to cash out so they can cash their alt's LP? Geebus, FW got Inferno and now everyone in Factional Warfare thinks what they're doing is even more crazy than nullsec.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
251
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:30:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:with new rules you can stop clock just by being in side plex, so using max speed fitted T1 frigate is quite good, you orbit timer and defend, when enemy enters you take 150km orbit or more and avoid enemy.
Because enemy needs some ship that can tank and kill npc it is most unlikely that he will never catch you alone.
just wait that he leaves and return to timer.
This is so classic of the EvE playerbase: Out looking for new ways to break a game mechanic before it's even introduced. How many times does this pattern repeat itself? CCP introduces something new and interesting. They have a plan for how it will work. Ten seconds later the playerbase find a way to game/exploit/break the new thing, with the general theme of removing all risk and getting ten times the ISK out of it than was ever originally intended. When CCP finally gets around to fixing the easily exploited mechanics the playerbase then all starts crying "Wah! You're taking away my freedom! Sandbox something sandbox!" The reality is simple: CCP creates a sandbox, the players then use it for a litterbox and then wonder why their "freedom of choice" keeps getting taken away. A good rule for MMOs in general is "Don't make the Devs your enemy." Yet for the EvE playerbase, the Devs are apparently seen as some kind of boss monster that you have to defeat to get the best loot. At this point I would not be surprised if CCP simply removed FW entirely, since it's obvious that not enough people have any intentions of using it responsibly. When will we learn?
CCP is just trying to avoid players to exploit fact that npc will not spawn if there is enemy on plex, so made it so that timer does not run at all if there is enemy at plex.
They fix one exploit by creating bigger problem than original were.
CCP is just trying make too complex system for simple thing, NPC has never been the real problem and NPC will never be the solution.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
476
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:53:00 -
[157] - Quote
Yuri Intaki wrote:"Working as intended, people are free to fly and/or cloak whereever they wish in space" = official CCP reply to previous petitions about gallentes using cloaky alts or link boosted mwd boats to stop plexes from despawning.
So grats, CCP is rewarding you with even easier ways to keep doing what you already do.
Give me names. I'll have CCP chatgris kick them from militia. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
201
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:38:00 -
[158] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:"Working as intended, people are free to fly and/or cloak whereever they wish in space" = official CCP reply to previous petitions about gallentes using cloaky alts or link boosted mwd boats to stop plexes from despawning.
So grats, CCP is rewarding you with even easier ways to keep doing what you already do.
Give me names. I'll have CCP chatgris kick them from militia.
Haven't you heard? CCP is biased for gallente, so no-one would get kicked. Even when they warned damar for exploiting, they rejected his public forum arguments that CCP was biased against caldari. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
251
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:49:00 -
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chatgris wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:"Working as intended, people are free to fly and/or cloak whereever they wish in space" = official CCP reply to previous petitions about gallentes using cloaky alts or link boosted mwd boats to stop plexes from despawning.
So grats, CCP is rewarding you with even easier ways to keep doing what you already do.
Give me names. I'll have CCP chatgris kick them from militia. Haven't you heard? CCP is biased for gallente, so no-one would get kicked. Even when they warned damar for exploiting, they rejected his public forum arguments that CCP was biased against caldari.
Sad thing about gallente militia is that no matter how much devs boost gallente , they still lose everytime :( |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
476
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:53:00 -
[160] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Haven't you heard? CCP is biased for gallente, so no-one would get kicked. Even when they warned damar for exploiting, they rejected his public forum arguments that CCP was biased against caldari. I'll talk to Hans then. He'll get it done. |
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
327
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:21:00 -
[161] - Quote
Pinky Feldman wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia.... And I contributed to this thing exactly how? By attacking gallente held systems? Clearly I am evil genius whose goal is to always muck up things by getting people in bigger alliances/corps to wardec me Fairly impressive for a corp consisting about half a dozen crazy finns, couple of ethnic minorities (joke, not to be taken seriously) and Tosi's pet donkey.... So lets air the dirty laundry out properly if NAERY is behind every evil which happens here. For some reason, you had issues with us having Amarr alts farming LP in gallente occupied systems despite this contributing or system flipping. Exactly how is this bad if we merely wanted to get some advantage for one timer Amarr lp dump? Happy Endings certainly had issues as was with the wardec against Emperor Throne Guards. Hell, we even agreed to leave that constellation for them and NAERY kept alts out of the area out of diplomatic concerns but wardec followed anyway and that was significant reason why things are in the shitters. I can even copy/paste the appropriate evemail here. I really dont care what happened. My point is someone in Cal Mil always gets pissy because "someone may be gathering a "leadership status" "When that happens they decide to throw a revolt no matter how well things are working. Its like this...cal mil is broke...someone fixes it ...then "no u spy! u are out for urself! u dont care about the little 2 man corp that cant contribute anything! *rage* "Why are you not making things easy and convenient for my 2 man corp!! *rage* " I know lets cause drama and eff everything up because we are FW and no one should lead FW *rage*....... I guess achieving 5 LP dumps and T5 is too much for Cal Mil to take in. Its just silly, you have bitter vets mad because they dont play a role in militia anymore (because they actively do not) and then 3itch until they destroy what actually was working. Its an amazing thing I have never seen anywhere else. Usually if it aint broke dont fix it.....in Cal Mil its lets break it because being fixed means we arent "free" Ridciulous...I know lets DDOS the spy's Ts3 (aka the militi ts3) If someone wants to war dec another cal mil corp have at it. If they do it because they think your icon should have blue hair instead of green...its fine with me. There are too many **** ant corps in militias that cant contribute anything and then simply 3itch. This thread is proof of that. Get over it. Not sure why organizing a Tier 5 push is any special feat. I'm not trying to bash you, but its really not something thats worth bragging about. Also, this thread is really bad...apparently when CCP nerfed war decs and buffed FW, this subforum somehow became the new crime and punishment. I don't understand this whole spy paranoia that pervades most militias. Who cares if you have a spai on comms or in your militia? Run your fleet from the lobby and just relax. What are they going to do? Let the enemy know your fleet comp? Egads! Are they going to infiltrate your alliance so they can let the the opposing militia when you plan to cash out so they can cash their alt's LP? Geebus, FW got Inferno and now everyone in Factional Warfare thinks what they're doing is even more crazy than nullsec.
Organizing a T5 (or any Tier) push requires work. Questions such as the following need to be answered;
-Which systems should we farm to achieve T5 status? -Which systems should we bust first and in what pattern? -Which systems do we need to hold during this time? -Which FCs are leading a bust and when? -When do we start? How compact of a bunker busting schedule do we want leading up to upgrade day?
It may all sound simple but given corps in all militias have their own agendas, then achieving a push or even getting most corps to agree on anything really does require work. Throw in apathy, and inter-militia politics, then yes, it does require work and I"m willing to give Bolster credit for that.
And that's partly why you get the sort of nasty environment you get in Caldari. Most won't admit it publicly, but there are veterans in Squid Land who are jealous of Bolster because of the power or perception of power, that he holds, even if it's considered small.
That's why I commented on Bolster's thread as a "best ever battlereport" because his post summarized the continued internal battles that occurs over there. His talk of jealousy, aspiring powerhouses, and dichotomies of what "winning" for a militia should look like all contribute to create the drama that persists.
As Killz said, drama occurs in all militias. I think the primary difference though is that some militias have better checks and balances and a certain maturity from the 'old guard' that can stabilize the playerbase within that militia. It's there but pretty well hidden and typically unspoken of. Whereas in others, the vitriol and drama that surrounds the 'old guard' just tends to poison most activities and the general environment.
Sometimes choosing a militia to fight for isn't as easy as most make it sound like ;) Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
477
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:47:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Sometimes choosing a militia to fight for isn't as easy as most make it sound like ;) It's easy. Fight for Gallente, Farm for Caldari. |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
120
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:51:00 -
[163] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:Sometimes choosing a militia to fight for isn't as easy as most make it sound like ;) It's easy. Fight for Gallente, Farm for Caldari.
heh, and then youll think what the heck did I get myself into. Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
477
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:55:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:heh, and then youll think what the heck did I get myself into. Only when you join Caldari. and Don Bolster "encourages" (with an offer you can't refuse) you into running 10 plexes a day, every day, all month long.
When Gallente pilots ask that question, it's a statement of joy because they never thought they could get so many kills so quickly in Eve. |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
120
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:57:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:heh, and then youll think what the heck did I get myself into. Only when you join Caldari. and Don Bolster "encourages" (with an offer you can't refuse) you into running 10 plexes a day, every day, all month long. When Gallente pilots ask that question, it's a statement of joy because they never thought they could get so many kills so quickly in Eve.
Your delusional , just like your back and forth hair cut....Im sure dopified is your hair dresser Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
477
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:15:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Your delusional , just like your back and forth hair cut....Im sure dopified is your hair dresser First the insult, then the diversion.
@potential Caldari pilots: Notice no denial. Don Bolster is no better than any of the 0.0 alliance overlords who fatten their wallets at your expense. |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
120
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:20:00 -
[167] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Your delusional , just like your back and forth hair cut....Im sure dopified is your hair dresser First the insult, then the diversion. @potential Caldari pilots: Notice no denial. Don Bolster is no better than any of the 0.0 alliance overlords who fatten their wallets at your expense.
because I get a cut of everyones LP Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
328
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:53:00 -
[168] - Quote
You guys should just convo each other or something.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Katalci
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
131
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Posted - 2012.09.08 03:08:00 -
[169] - Quote
Mra Rednu wrote: Maybe a new module for when they rebalance cruisers.
A lasoo, fitted on a e-war cruiser could fire a rope at the speed tanking frigate's that would stick to the frigate and as it orbited the button winds the rope around it gradually bringing it closer to be killed or crash in the button. Perhaps we could even create an entire t2 cruiser class dedicated to this new module. I propose that there should be two, one capable of fitting a covops cloak, called the Rapier, and the other with a better tank and scanres, called the Huginn. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.09.08 15:04:00 -
[170] - Quote
Katalci wrote:Mra Rednu wrote: Maybe a new module for when they rebalance cruisers.
A lasoo, fitted on a e-war cruiser could fire a rope at the speed tanking frigate's that would stick to the frigate and as it orbited the button winds the rope around it gradually bringing it closer to be killed or crash in the button. Perhaps we could even create an entire t2 cruiser class dedicated to this new module. I propose that there should be two, one capable of fitting a covops cloak, called the Rapier, and the other with a better tank and scanres, called the Huginn.
Add this ship to Blood Raider arsenal, with their style and "paintjob" and all, put this new thing on it. Done, you have means to portray space battle scene from "Serenity".
Seriously though, adding proximity requirement (not very short one though) instead of just sitting in plex to freeze timer will solve this issue much easier IMHO. |
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Bob TSlob
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
4
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Posted - 2012.09.09 03:56:00 -
[171] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:X Gallentius wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:Your delusional , just like your back and forth hair cut....Im sure dopified is your hair dresser First the insult, then the diversion. @potential Caldari pilots: Notice no denial. Don Bolster is no better than any of the 0.0 alliance overlords who fatten their wallets at your expense. because I get a cut of everyones LP
Didn't you know? Earlier this year CCP actually made apatch JUST for BB. All militia member are automatically taxed on their LPs according to their standings set by BB and he recieves all. Since HAPPY are his loyal lapdogs, we only get taxed 10%.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
477
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Posted - 2012.09.09 17:20:00 -
[172] - Quote
Bob TSlob wrote:Didn't you know? Earlier this year CCP actually made apatch JUST for BB. All militia member are automatically taxed on their LPs according to their standings set by BB and he recieves all. Since HAPPY are his loyal lapdogs, we only get taxed 10%.
This actually make sense since Don Bolster is a Gallente master spy, Happy Endings is a Gallente sympathizer alliance, and CCP chatgris controls all FW mechanics.
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Major Killz
Chaotic Tranquility Kraken.
68
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Posted - 2012.09.09 17:54:00 -
[173] - Quote
Deen Wispa wrote:[quote=Pinky Feldman][quote=BolsterBomb][quote=Yuri Intaki][quote=BolsterBomb]
Organizing a T5 (or any Tier) push requires work. Questions such as the following need to be answered;
-Which systems should we farm to achieve T5 status? -Which systems should we bust first and in what pattern? -Which systems do we need to hold during this time? -Which FCs are leading a bust and when? -When do we start? How compact of a bunker busting schedule do we want leading up to upgrade day?
It may all sound simple but given corps in all militias have their own agendas, then achieving a push or even getting most corps to agree on anything really does require work. Throw in apathy, and inter-militia politics, then yes, it does require work and I"m willing to give Bolster credit for that.
And that's partly why you get the sort of nasty environment you get in Caldari. Most won't admit it publicly, but there are veterans in Squid Land who are jealous of Bolster because of the power or perception of power, that he holds, even if it's considered small.
That's why I commented on Bolster's thread as a "best ever battlereport" because his post summarized the continued internal battles that occurs over there. His talk of jealousy, aspiring powerhouses, and dichotomies of what "winning" for a militia should look like all contribute to create the drama that persists.
As Killz said, drama occurs in all militias. I think the primary difference though is that some militias have better checks and balances and a certain maturity from the 'old guard' that can stabilize the playerbase within that militia. It's there but pretty well hidden and typically unspoken of. Whereas in others, the vitriol and drama that surrounds the 'old guard' just tends to poison most activities and the general environment.
Sometimes choosing a militia to fight for isn't as easy as most make it sound like ;)
DRAMA QUEENS
Bored and losing ships in silly ways. So, I'll put some meat on the internal conflict within the Caldari mitllia. Which is pretty much over now...
I'm not sure if there was jealousy. I suppose I never cared to ask. However, Bolster was a polarizing figure. @tleast based on just random conversations from leaders of other entities I would listen too. I did that alot and still do, just listen (you learn so much).
Many players who perceived bolster as a threat, I chalked up to hating v0v. Infact that first conversation I had with Bolster I expected a ****** or a Stalin like figure, based on what I've heard about him. I was amused and suprised to be listening to a very aspirational, yet inexperienced player. That's his strength. The guy is HUNGRY and determined; worse for those who were hating, is that he was ACTING and not just talking.
However, I never perceived this "power" others feared or were jelly of and I never took him seriously and when I did. It was only because, somehow he was able to employ Gavin and that was the only time I valued his input. Funny! Most of the "drama" was around players who had no tangible power and every one of them has lost because of thier silly conflict. Amusing...
See, Bolster isn't a charismatic figure who can attract players with ability, based on a strength of personality alone (exodus williams is someone who is). He's also not a warrior, or battol focused or experienced enough in combat (Soulless brutor/Pred and Gavin are somewhat). His drive and determination is his biggest asset and why others feared it was beyond my understanding. Those who had power weren't in any conflict for the most part, but there were atempts to drag strong entites into these silly opera's.
Anyway, the only time bolster came close to having real tangible (ingame) power was within KrakenDAWT. So if players feared him they had reason to @ this point.
Whatever.
My view of power within this game is based almost entirely around millitary capabilities and the few charismatic individuals capable of making pilots follow them irrespective of personal gain (isk). Assets and battles are won and lost all the time. Is someone really following you if they'll leave once difficulty arises? Seems to me that person is really following thier wallet or easy and lazy mode.
Funny enough! If these changes go threw, then there won't be any need for these organized loyalty point dumps. All the haters can be @ ease because CCP would be nerfing Bolsers perceived "power", no? Wonder what players will b!tch about then. |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
192
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Posted - 2012.09.10 02:22:00 -
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Honestly, it escapes me why people would hate/avoid a motivated FC (even if they aren't the most experienced). It's one of the rarest commodities in this game, and barring some habitiual insanity or Shadoo-like outbursts, people should be happy to have them. I don't understand it frankly. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
328
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:36:00 -
[175] - Quote
There's a difference between being inexperienced and being really bad. The former has to do with lack of experience in which case most people will cut you some slack and see if you can grow. The latter means you have FCed many times and welped fleets. In which case, that hints at the fact that you're incapable of evolving and growing. Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
Major Killz
Chaotic Tranquility Kraken.
68
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:03:00 -
[176] - Quote
There was nothing in my previous post about supporting or not supporting inexperienced fleet commanders. Infact, nothing about the whole "drama" was about Bolsters fleet commanding ability or inability.
Also, like I've said to many players and Bolster in particular. In my opinion "good fleet commander" is someone who's willing to do so. Being a successful fleet commander is another matter and comes with time which translates into experience or innate ability.
Personally I hate fleet commanding and I'll always default to anyone else willing to do lead a fleet (could care less). I prefer flying with someone, instead of leading them or as l like to call it 'hand holding/sheep hearding'. I prefer solo pvp and I value solo pvpers over fleet commanders but, there's no doubt fleet commanders are a rare commodity. Even more so than solo pvper's that may represent less than 1% of the player base...
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Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
335
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:56:00 -
[177] - Quote
See, thats the funny thing. On the Cal/Gal side, the reason you guys have so much drama is your perceptions of FW and the fact that everyone involved feeds into it horribly and compounds the problems even more. People get caught up in the drama and the metagame involved, totally losing sight of the real issues at hand or reasons that anything is actually happening. Witch hunts polarize the pawns against a perceived threats and help consolidate their allegiance with the distraction and clear labeling of the "bad guy" regardless of the reality.
The spy situation is a perfect point in that, the fear and paranoia that the threat of spies create has a far greater impact on the Caldari militia than the spies themselves could inflict. People blame spies for the reason certain things happen, instead of accepting that maybe it has nothing to do with spies and they're just bad.
Regarding fleet commanders, I agree that simply willing to step up and lead is extremely important, however, i'd argue that without innate ability, the positives of being willing to step up is totally negated. Bad FCs hurt you much more than they help you over the long run, despite having the short term effect of getting people into fleet and flying around in space.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
328
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:11:00 -
[178] - Quote
Pinky Feldman wrote:See, thats the funny thing. On the Cal/Gal side, the reason you guys have so much drama is your perceptions of FW and the fact that everyone involved feeds into it horribly and compounds the problems even more. People get caught up in the drama and the metagame involved, totally losing sight of the real issues at hand or reasons that anything is actually happening. Witch hunts polarize the pawns against a perceived threats and help consolidate their allegiance with the distraction and clear labeling of the "bad guy" regardless of the reality.
The spy situation is a perfect point in that, the fear and paranoia that the threat of spies create has a far greater impact on the Caldari militia than the spies themselves could inflict. People blame spies for the reason certain things happen, instead of accepting that maybe it has nothing to do with spies and they're just bad.
Sounds like the drama and paranoia that is Caldari is the reason you guys are slowly creeping back to the Minnie front? Or is it the Gallente Jesus Blob that ruined your gameplay ? :)
#FrogsGrief Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
252
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Posted - 2012.09.11 10:12:00 -
[179] - Quote
Pinky Feldman wrote:See, thats the funny thing. On the Cal/Gal side, the reason you guys have so much drama is your perceptions of FW and the fact that everyone involved feeds into it horribly and compounds the problems even more. People get caught up in the drama and the metagame involved, totally losing sight of the real issues at hand or reasons that anything is actually happening. Witch hunts polarize the pawns against a perceived threats and help consolidate their allegiance with the distraction and clear labeling of the "bad guy" regardless of the reality.
The spy situation is a perfect point in that, the fear and paranoia that the threat of spies create has a far greater impact on the Caldari militia than the spies themselves could inflict. People blame spies for the reason certain things happen, instead of accepting that maybe it has nothing to do with spies and they're just bad.
Regarding fleet commanders, I agree that simply willing to step up and lead is extremely important, however, i'd argue that without innate ability, the positives of being willing to step up is totally negated. Bad FCs hurt you much more than they help you over the long run, despite having the short term effect of getting people into fleet and flying around in space.
There is lot of different kind of spy in militia, we use those a lot in every militia so we do know that there is lot of spying going on and we do know what those can do
You have to plan your playing procedures on way that spying can not affect much, trust no one but let all in your corp. |
Rydra Wong
Dark-Rising
7
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Posted - 2012.09.11 11:40:00 -
[180] - Quote
FC's, solo killers, leaders percieved or otherwise are all obscelete, without people willing to look up to them and follow them.
EvE is still a game, and corporations are nothing more than social grouping systems, built on mutual goals and understandings. This doesn't mean you need to all be like minded, in fact a bit of disagreement is good for the soul.
When you reach a point where you do not agree with some aspect as the people you associate with towards a common goal, then you have to ask yourself this.
1) Is it them who is going against the norm, or is it me? 2) Is it something I can put up with, or do I feel that strongly that I want to change it? 3) What options do I have available to make me happy?
This even works on the corporate and alliance level.
If you don't like what someone you associate with is doing in a computer game, you can try to remove the problem, you can ignore them/the problem, or you can go somewhere else where this problem doesn't exist.
The sooner people realise there is no magic sauce that makes FC's into some superhero, or for that matter leaders, solo killers or any other such elevated title. As with all things in life, some will be better than others at most things.
The only way to become good at something, is to do it. I've met some exceptional FC's that don't even realise they are FC's, and when you ask them to 'run a fleet' they get scared and hide, waiting for Super-FC to fly in with his cape and rescue the day.
The biggest skill an FC can develop, is their ability to learn from their mistakes. And 99% of eve players can do that, otherwise they would never get anywhere with such a brutal game.
The rest of it is just filling in the time between laserpewpew, and having the balls to go out and trying it again when it doesn't go to plan. |
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