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TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
137
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:11:00 -
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Drones for PVP is a moot point, but PVE is a different ball game.
The Dominix Ishtar and Ishkur are now useless for PVE. These are dedicated drone boats being placed on the top shelf left to rot.
Doesn't it seem a little stupid to force some of the best boats....to rot?
Its kinda like taking away the rep power bonus from the Archon. What use does it have over any other carrier?
I think the Drone AI needed a push up the backside but i think perhaps CCP have done the usual and perhaps over compensated as normal.
On dedicated drone boats I think they should now give a new bonus of drone hitpoints per level for sentries/combats as well as MWD speed bonus for combat drones [non fighter]
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:13:00 -
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This thread again?
Seriously, this is just getting old. Quit EVE. If you're too useless to use the search function or read the forums before posting the same thing already being discussed, then it's no wonder you fail at drones. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
137
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:16:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:This thread again?
Seriously, this is just getting old. Quit EVE. If you're too useless to use the search function or read the forums before posting the same thing already being discussed, then it's no wonder you fail at drones.
Thats just it, I dont fail at drones :) I cant be arsed to pull sentries every 5 seconds. The game begins to get boring fast.
In fact its fair to assume that tracking and speed need to be looked at because how a cruiser tracks anything going 5000 MS is beyond me :P
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
739
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:16:00 -
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Ooooh, another dronewhine thread. Ill sit this one out and let everyone else take a whack at it. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
614
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:17:00 -
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Arguably, there was no drone change. There hasn't been a drone change for a very long time. Which I feel is the root of the whole issue.
The AI change, which did affect drones, is fairly nasty. Manageable, which I readily admit, but nasty nonetheless. It did not improve my quality of life or the fun I normally would have (precious little) doing EVE's mind-numbing PvE. When you consider the fact that other weapon systems are arguably more effective and/or efficient, and the fact that other weapon systems are vastly more popular (see EVEKill top 20 ships -> no drone boats!) for a number of reasons, I don't know why this was done to drone users. Feels like kicking someone who is already down, and has been for quite a while.
Drones need an overhaul. A massive one. Starting with the UI, the stats of drones themselves, their combat mechanics - the works. Basically tear-down and rebuild from scratch. Hopefully some of the antiquated paradigms (like the 5-drone limit) can be addressed as well. There was a reason for this when it was introduced (in 2007?) but servers changed since then, and now we have TiDi, so mechanically it shouldn't be a problem any more. And even if it is, I'm sure there's solutions that can be tried.
And yes, like you I would very much like to see any Dev comment on the drone issue. So far, it's been over a week and not a peep from anyone. A simple "we won't be touching drones in near future" would be more than sufficient to let us know, so we can cross-train and stop wasting time. Honestly, if they just told us, openly "If you're a drone user, you're ****ed!" I would be totally fine with that. I just need information! Talk to us! |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:18:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ooooh, another dronewhine thread. Ill sit this one out and let everyone else take a whack at it.
I just thought I'd point out to him that this thread was already in progress. Nothing more to say here, Falcon et al will be along soon enough to lock it. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:19:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:This thread again?
Seriously, this is just getting old. Quit EVE. If you're too useless to use the search function or read the forums before posting the same thing already being discussed, then it's no wonder you fail at drones. Thats just it, I dont fail at drones :) I cant be arsed to pull sentries every 5 seconds. The game begins to get boring fast. In fact its fair to assume that tracking and speed need to be looked at because how a cruiser tracks anything going 5000 MS is beyond me :P
By stating that the above boats you mentioned are now useless, you obviously suck at drones. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
739
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:22:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
By stating that the above boats you mentioned are now useless, you obviously suck at drones.
The force. Its strong with this one. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
137
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:22:00 -
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This isnt a rant though so it should be allowed to continue.
I have an issue with threads getting locked constantly because in my eyes that's a sure sign of knowing they've done wrong and don't want to comment or have their game look bad.
What do server hosters in FPS game do to better players? they get kickbanned...because the bad player hates looking bad.
Same here in truth. I think the community should have a place to say what they think, more so we have a right to voice our opinion as its us directly funding CCP as a company.
Without us CCP liquidates.
Its that simple. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
364
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:26:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:This isnt a rant though so it should be allowed to continue.
I have an issue with threads getting locked constantly because in my eyes that's a sure sign of knowing they've done wrong and don't want to comment or have their game look bad.
What do server hosters in FPS game do to better players? they get kickbanned...because the bad player hates looking bad.
Same here in truth. I think the community should have a place to say what they think, more so we have a right to voice our opinion as its us directly funding CCP as a company.
Without us CCP liquidates.
Its that simple.
It's a redundant thread. Already in progress. You don't start a new one, you add your "not a rant" to an existing one.
They will lock it because it's not necessary, this discussion is already taking place. They're not trying to silence anyone, they lock redundant threads to keep the front page of the forums clear for as many topics open for discussion as possible. Why don't you check a few out, you might find the one you are looking for. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
137
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:28:00 -
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Its in my opinion the more threads get started the more CCP will take notice and take action.
Lets be fair, the other threads are being purposefully ignored. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
364
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:33:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Its in my opinion the more threads get started the more CCP will take notice and take action.
Lets be fair, the other threads are being purposefully ignored.
Your opinion is one opinion out of thousands. Why should yours have more weight to deserve a new thread?
If you think threads are being purposefully ignored, then why do you think making a new one will make a difference? Ignoring threads is a passive activity.
CCP has taken notice, and they, like the majority of players, like what they see. Some bugs were patched today, but the AI is now working as intended.
Honestly, this making a new thread just to get their attention is no different from a child throwing a tantrum for the same thing. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
137
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:49:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Honestly, this making a new thread just to get their attention is no different from a child throwing a tantrum for the same thing.
If that child has decent caring parents they will give the child what's needed for said child to calm down. More than likely it will be attention so thanks for adding that extra dimension to my thread. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1834
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:49:00 -
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Reserved |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
366
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:53:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Honestly, this making a new thread just to get their attention is no different from a child throwing a tantrum for the same thing. If that child has decent caring parents they will give the child what's needed for said child to calm down. More than likely it will be attention so thanks for adding that extra dimension to my thread.
What?
You think teaching children that they'll get what they want if they stomp their feet for it is a good thing??
That's your problem right there.
If that child has decent, caring parents, they'll teach that child that you don't always get what you want, especially if you demand it as if you think yourself entitled. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
64
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:56:00 -
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This is very good! Those new AI threads should never die untill the actual issue fix.
I'm planning to make my own thread too, when others run out of stamina n' ideas "Adapt" - means you have to stop using the ship you like and start flying Drake or Tengu like the rest nullbear newbs. |
TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
137
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:12:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:TriadSte wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Honestly, this making a new thread just to get their attention is no different from a child throwing a tantrum for the same thing. If that child has decent caring parents they will give the child what's needed for said child to calm down. More than likely it will be attention so thanks for adding that extra dimension to my thread. What? You think teaching children that they'll get what they want if they stomp their feet for it is a good thing?? That's your problem right there. If that child has decent, caring parents, they'll teach that child that you don't always get what you want, especially if you demand it as if you think yourself entitled.
Kids can demand anything they want, they didn't ask to be here so as a parent you do everything for them. The tantrum thing is dependant on what its about. That 2nd chocolate bar then sure the tantrum would continue.
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
372
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:16:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:TriadSte wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Honestly, this making a new thread just to get their attention is no different from a child throwing a tantrum for the same thing. If that child has decent caring parents they will give the child what's needed for said child to calm down. More than likely it will be attention so thanks for adding that extra dimension to my thread. What? You think teaching children that they'll get what they want if they stomp their feet for it is a good thing?? That's your problem right there. If that child has decent, caring parents, they'll teach that child that you don't always get what you want, especially if you demand it as if you think yourself entitled. Kids can demand anything they want, they didn't ask to be here so as a parent you do everything for them. The tantrum thing is dependant on what its about. That 2nd chocolate bar then sure the tantrum would continue.
So what you're saying is, you feel the need to be coddled like a child? CCP aren't your parents, they are game devs. If you want hand-holding, enrol in daycare You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
baltec1
Bat Country
3252
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:19:00 -
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I hear someone else is whining about not being able to deploy drones and go afk. |
trited
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:25:00 -
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I don't know what they might do to drones or what their plan is for drone boats, but I'd love to see my Ishtar have better bonuses to guns anyways. Not even gonna be a troll or complain about drones and the new ai nor will complaining people whine about their ship not being as effective in missions anymore. There is always a alternative plus we all don't know what ccp has on the chalk board for drone boat pilots. |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
232
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:31:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Arguably, there was no drone change. There hasn't been a drone change for a very long time. Which I feel is the root of the whole issue.
The AI change, which did affect drones, is fairly nasty. Manageable, which I readily admit, but nasty nonetheless. It did not improve my quality of life or the fun I normally would have (precious little) doing EVE's mind-numbing PvE. When you consider the fact that other weapon systems are arguably more effective and/or efficient, and the fact that other weapon systems are vastly more popular (see EVEKill top 20 ships -> no drone boats!) for a number of reasons, I don't know why this was done to drone users. Feels like kicking someone who is already down, and has been for quite a while.
Drones need an overhaul. A massive one. Starting with the UI, the stats of drones themselves, their combat mechanics - the works. Basically tear-down and rebuild from scratch. Hopefully some of the antiquated paradigms (like the 5-drone limit) can be addressed as well. There was a reason for this when it was introduced (in 2007?) but servers changed since then, and now we have TiDi, so mechanically it shouldn't be a problem any more. And even if it is, I'm sure there's solutions that can be tried.
And yes, like you I would very much like to see any Dev comment on the drone issue. So far, it's been over a week and not a peep from anyone. A simple "we won't be touching drones in near future" would be more than sufficient to let us know, so we can cross-train and stop wasting time. Honestly, if they just told us, openly "If you're a drone user, you're ****ed!" I would be totally fine with that. I just need information! Talk to us!
hey, look the rare person that actively posted constructively on EVE-O
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:32:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Drones for PVP is a moot point, but PVE is a different ball game.
The Dominix Ishtar and Ishkur are now useless for PVE. These are dedicated drone boats being placed on the top shelf left to rot.
Doesn't it seem a little stupid to force some of the best boats....to rot?
Its kinda like taking away the rep power bonus from the Archon. What use does it have over any other carrier?
I think the Drone AI needed a push up the backside but i think perhaps CCP have done the usual and perhaps over compensated as normal.
On dedicated drone boats I think they should now give a new bonus of drone hitpoints per level for sentries/combats as well as MWD speed bonus for combat drones [non fighter]
Wah? I tried a L4 the other day with my Navy Geddon, what's the big deal? If you handle things in proper progression, it's not really harder than before. Didn't lose a single sentry. The fact that you actually have to pay attention to them now is really the only change. CCP has already stated the whole room aggro issue was a bug, and they may actually fix it.
If you don't understand how to approach the AI changes, don't blame it on CCP, blame it on your parents.
"Working as intended" |
ashley Eoner
68
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:33:00 -
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Oh you think it's bad now? Just wait till they fix the defect in the AI that is keeping NPCs from re-targeting your drones after you pull them back in once. |
Merouk Baas
80
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:43:00 -
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Please stop making threads about the drones.
The situation is this: They put the AI changes on the test server. People immediately brought up the drones. CCP acknowledged it. People continued to be worried about drones if this went live. CCP pushed the AI change live in spite of not having any changes to mission scripts or drones.
What do you want them to say? Yes we know we ****** all you Gallente users, soz too bad. We needed the AI pushed to halt the influx of ISK. Drones will be done later, or never. Suck it up.
Here's the thread with dev responses. Read all 36 pages. Note how FoxFour just fades away when it's clear that the community is getting rather pissed off. That discussion happened when the changes were on the Test server. They pushed them live anyway. |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
260
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:52:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ooooh, another dronewhine thread. Ill sit this one out and let everyone else take a whack at it. I just thought I'd point out to him that this thread was already in progress. Nothing more to say here, Falcon et al will be along soon enough to lock it. Jeez Remiel, you seem to be participating in this thread an aweful lot if there is "nothing more to say". And I'm sure, now that you have declared a need for a thread lock, CCP will jump on it immediately! |
CARB0N FIBER
Derailleurs
66
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:55:00 -
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They don't care, move on. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
693
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:56:00 -
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There were drone changes in Retribution?
Can you allaborate on those changes please?
I thought there were AI changes that just made the horrible drone mechanics stand out even mroe then they already did.
In otherwords, there's nothing wrong with drones themselves. Drone management is another issue, and they've already said they intend to overahaul the mechanics so that it's not a royal pain in the ass to use drones.
The AI changes are probably the best bet to get drone mechanics done sooner than later. |
CARB0N FIBER
Derailleurs
66
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:58:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:There were drone changes in Retribution?
Can you allaborate on those changes please?
I thought there were AI changes that just made the horrible drone mechanics stand out even mroe then they already did.
In otherwords, there's nothing wrong with drones themselves. Drone management is another issue, and they've already said they intend to overahaul the mechanics so that it's not a royal pain in the ass to use drones.
The AI changes are probably the best bet to get drone mechanics done sooner than later.
wat? |
Merouk Baas
80
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Posted - 2012.12.12 19:04:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:The AI changes are probably the best bet to get drone mechanics done sooner than later.
He probably means that now that they've pushed the AI changes and we're complaining with 5 threads per day, maybe CCP will schedule possible changes to drones higher on their to-do list.
I don't expect anything before New Year's. Next summer, really.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
693
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Posted - 2012.12.12 19:04:00 -
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CARB0N FIBER wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:There were drone changes in Retribution?
Can you allaborate on those changes please?
I thought there were AI changes that just made the horrible drone mechanics stand out even mroe then they already did.
In otherwords, there's nothing wrong with drones themselves. Drone management is another issue, and they've already said they intend to overahaul the mechanics so that it's not a royal pain in the ass to use drones.
The AI changes are probably the best bet to get drone mechanics done sooner than later. wat? What do you mean what?
You need to MANAGE your drones. Drone mechanics make MANAGING drones next to impossible.
Many, many people have repeatedly pointed out, in the other half dozen theads about this since the 4th that if you manage your drones you'll be fine. Managing them, however, is not fine.
The title of the thread is "drone changes". To my recollectin they didn't actually do anything with drones, they improved the AI -granted, released with a bit of an agro bug-, and they intend to eventually overhaul the drone mechanics, but haven't specified when.
Considering the hassle they already were, the AI changes makes them an even bigger hassle, obviously. With the amount of trouble people are having managing drones with the upgraded AI, they'll probably move the drone overhaul up on thier priority list as apposed to waiting around to get to it. |
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