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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.12.27 08:19:00 -
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I was just thinking about the BC and destroyer SP giveaway CCP wants to do.
Does anyone actually think they will do it?
I thought they would do it, and even last week started to train for BC 5 on both toons, even though I was remapped away from ships on my alt.
My main reason for not believing them is just how long it takes to train for them, and they havn't really warned enough people yet. I mean only one dev blog is only one dev blog, and might not go to far. Or maybe it does. Who knows, that is big news, so perhaps everyone knows it by now.
I mean I am sure CCP will start warning more people when the deadline is approaching, but will it be too late?
I just think they should be warning us more often about it if they really are gonna do it. Its a long time skill. I mean if I was in charge I would be sending out warnings I suppose every so often, because of that hard deadline it has.
Of course it will be fun to watch this happen with that hard deadline. Like players have two weeks left to train, but it takes 2 weeks 3 days for the skill. Can't imagine the type of threads to pop up.
Who knows, perhaps I will be one of those people as well. Did start late on the training. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1586
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Posted - 2012.12.27 08:36:00 -
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The only people that don't know about it are the ones that make no effort to get involved with the external community. Not only has there been a devblog, there has also been several Dev posts regarding the change & external EVE related news sites have covered it aswell. CCP can't be expected to hand-feed the information to individual people. They've already done enough & anyone that doesn't see it coming has no one to blame.
Also if you think that a Rank 6 skill takes a long time to train to L5, then you're in for a shock later down the track. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
14
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Posted - 2012.12.27 08:38:00 -
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I think you answered your own question re: why aren't they warning everyone more. Because of all the hurt and tears they will get if they are constantly reminding people who didn't get it the first time and realize they are too late.
Also, there has been no shortage of threads on the topic. Seems like there's a new one every couple of days.
As to whether or not they will . . . well, they are going to make the move to racial destroyer and battlecruiser skills. They are going to find a way to make sure that's fair to the people who already have those skills. Whether the mechanism for that change is ultimately a skill handout or not is up in the air.
My guess is that they could work around it. Just like they are going to work around the fact that in the new system it will be racial cruiser to 4 as a prerequisite for the racial BC. I seriously doubt they will just hand everyone an extra rank in cruisers to line up with the new system.
Tossing SP at everyone is probably the easiest mechanic that requires the least amount of work-around and the least amount of testing/debugging. But even that is going to require some futzing with stuff. But it will cause some issues, and last we heard is that CCP is looking into it. |
Mars Theran
Pod Kings
1393
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Posted - 2012.12.27 08:45:00 -
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I think they'll do it, but I'm half expecting the new skill ranks to drop a bit. Can never be sure though. Either way, I've got them trained. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Rain6637
Team Evil
192
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Posted - 2012.12.27 08:52:00 -
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train your character OP. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Buckingham Buckingham is my Vanilla Sky ||-áVincent Athena, I made something for you: http://i.imgur.com/hrxcc.jpg |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
44
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Posted - 2012.12.27 08:55:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The only people that don't know about it are the ones that make no effort to get involved with the external community. Not only has there been a devblog, there has also been several Dev posts regarding the change & external EVE related news sites have covered it aswell. CCP can't be expected to hand-feed the information to individual people. They've already done enough & anyone that doesn't see it coming has no one to blame.
Also if you think that a Rank 6 skill takes a long time to train to L5, then you're in for a shock later down the track.
Yeah this could turn into a massive punishment like ya said.
Yea, I agree with it being spread in the forums and such. Just heard stories that it is not always enough, plus this is a big thing I suppose, so I suppose a lot of players will tell other players. But just not sure.
Also time is relative, so its hard to know how it will work best. |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
44
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Posted - 2012.12.27 08:56:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:train your character OP.
But what if it is too late already. The soft deadline of actually starting to train, so its completed by the hard deadline of the BC change, could already have passed.
I might have missed it already by a day or perhaps just by a minute. So it is fruitless to start training now. |
Mars Theran
Pod Kings
1393
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Posted - 2012.12.27 08:59:00 -
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...thought I had them trained. Turns out I'm only good for two of them so I put one of the others in queue and hopefully I'll be able to get them done before the change. Currently I'm at, "Fly it yes, have it at 5 no." ..didn't someone say all you needed was Cruisers 3 to get BC V?
I think they did, but re-reading the Devblog, it's a bit of a moot point. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Seven Noctis
State War Academy Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:04:00 -
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Actually, there are two dev blogs regarding this subject; and the first one is like 9 months old now, if I'm not mistaken. There's also been plenty of discussion on the subject outside of those two blogs.
I fully agree that if someone misses out on the opportunity, it is their own fault for not getting more involved. In my experience, CCP is generally fairly open about upcoming changes.
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1680
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:04:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:...thought I had them trained. Turns out I'm only good for two of them so I put one of the others in queue and hopefully I'll be able to get them done before the change. Currently I'm at, "Fly it yes, have it at 5 no." ..didn't someone say all you needed was Cruisers 3 to get BC V? I think they did, but re-reading the Devblog, it's a bit of a moot point. [Race] Cruiser III and Battlecruisers III are the prerequisites to fly all of a race's battlecruisers. So if you have [Race] Cruiser III and Battlecruisers X, you'll get [Race] Battlecruiser X when the change comes around. The battlecruisers themselves will have their skill requirement changed to only require [Race] Battlecruiser I, and the requirement for the [Race] Battlecruiser skill will be [Race] Cruiser IV. -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |
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Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
14
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:11:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:...thought I had them trained. Turns out I'm only good for two of them so I put one of the others in queue and hopefully I'll be able to get them done before the change. Currently I'm at, "Fly it yes, have it at 5 no." ..didn't someone say all you needed was Cruisers 3 to get BC V? I think they did, but re-reading the Devblog, it's a bit of a moot point.
Train now; enjoy benefits now. You don't lose anything by starting late. And we don't really even know if it's too late. Each rank you get now is a rank you won't have to train later times 4. But it's also a rank you get now. :)
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
44
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:12:00 -
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Seven Noctis wrote:Actually, there are two dev blogs regarding this subject; and the first one is like 9 months old now, if I'm not mistaken. There's also been plenty of discussion on the subject outside of those two blogs.
I fully agree that if someone misses out on the opportunity, it is mostly their own fault for not getting more involved (with the exception of very new players, but that can't be helped). In my experience, CCP is generally fairly open about their plans and upcoming changes.
Yeah true, I even really didn't care about this stuff in the beginning anyhow. Thought it would be more fun to intentionally choose not to train up the BC and destroyer skills. Then just a week ago, I thought it was kind of fun or cool what CCP was doing. So I thought I would try.
Its just the angry backlash mostly I was thinking about. CCP is usually pretty fair and stuff like that. (the drone thing was kind of strange, then apparently got worse). I am kind of third party to all of this, but there could be a backlash. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5663
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:27:00 -
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You can't really call it a "giveaway" when we'll have exactly the same capability after as we did before. It's not like you get a prize for having a higher SP total (in fact you get a penalty in the form of clone costs) MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
44
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:28:00 -
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^ Your just too jaded, and taking the happiness away. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2225
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:28:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:You can't really call it a "giveaway" when we'll have exactly the same capability after as we did before. It's not like you get a prize for having a higher SP total (in fact you get a penalty in the form of clone costs) Higher clone costs !! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
44
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:29:00 -
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^ It is a dread, forced to fly the eagle or cerebus as well as higher clone costs after this. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1586
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:33:00 -
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Clone costs are pathetically small until you hit around 200mil SP anyway. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
1499
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:35:00 -
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Are you unhappy now if you can't fly all BCs and dessies at V? I tried to remove this sig. |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
44
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:37:00 -
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^ Those are my least favorite ships, compared to BCs as everyone's favorite.
Why I thought it would be fun to intentionally not train them up. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
1499
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:42:00 -
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In that case you don't have much to worry about :)
I tried to remove this sig. |
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
44
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:45:00 -
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Yeah, true.
I just don't want to waste time though.
Also mostly curious too.
Seems CCP started retribution with an angry backlash, and it seems like they want to continue that tradition with the rest of retribution possibly. |
Alayna Le'line
Battery Acid Skinny Dippers
51
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:48:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:Rain6637 wrote:train your character OP. But what if it is too late already. The soft deadline of actually starting to train, so its completed by the hard deadline of the BC change, could already have passed.
You're going to have to define "soft deadline", if you mean CCP telling you to train them *now* then yes, that has passed already, by about a month now.
Whether it's too late to start training now is anybody's guess, but CCP has already stated you should be tranining them now if you care at all, ignore devs at your own peril.
Seriously, this change has been known for like 9 months now...
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2225
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:50:00 -
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Alayna Le'line wrote:raskonalkov wrote:But what if it is too late already. The soft deadline of actually starting to train, so its completed by the hard deadline of the BC change, could already have passed. You're going to have to define "soft deadline", if you mean CCP telling you to train them *now* then yes, that has passed already, by about a month now. Whether it's too late to start training now is anybody's guess, but CCP has already stated you should be tranining them now if you care at all, ignore devs at your own peril. Seriously, this change has been known for like 9 months now... He already defined.
raskonalkov wrote:The soft deadline of actually starting to train, so its completed by the hard deadline of the BC change His issue is that he doesn't know if the change will occur before he finishes training BC V, even if he started now. Because I think if you have it at IV and 99% done when the change hits you lose the training to V.
Tough luck really, CCP has decided they rather not be explicit about it Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
44
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:52:00 -
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Alayna Le'line wrote:raskonalkov wrote:Rain6637 wrote:train your character OP. But what if it is too late already. The soft deadline of actually starting to train, so its completed by the hard deadline of the BC change, could already have passed. You're going to have to define "soft deadline", if you mean CCP telling you to train them *now* then yes, that has passed already, by about a month now. Whether it's too late to start training now is anybody's guess, but CCP has already stated you should be tranining them now if you care at all, ignore devs at your own peril. Seriously, this change has been known for like 9 months now...
Too be honest, when it was first announced I felt it was soft, and was uncertain. Like CCP says, things are always open to change, so do stuff at your own peril.
When the second dev blog hit, I felt it was certain they would do this change, and didn't really doubt them. Of course I thought it would be more fun to not do it. |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
44
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:54:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Alayna Le'line wrote:raskonalkov wrote:But what if it is too late already. The soft deadline of actually starting to train, so its completed by the hard deadline of the BC change, could already have passed. You're going to have to define "soft deadline", if you mean CCP telling you to train them *now* then yes, that has passed already, by about a month now. Whether it's too late to start training now is anybody's guess, but CCP has already stated you should be tranining them now if you care at all, ignore devs at your own peril. Seriously, this change has been known for like 9 months now... He already defined. raskonalkov wrote:The soft deadline of actually starting to train, so its completed by the hard deadline of the BC change His issue is that he doesn't know if the change will occur before he finishes training BC V, even if he started now. Because I think if you have it at IV and 99% done when the change hits you lose the training to V. Tough luck really, CCP has decided they rather not be explicit about it
That is always why I questioned them really doing this or not. Seemed a strange thing to do, and not try more outreach programs then they normally do, or at least have a countdown or more arm twisting to make sure players actually do train them. |
destiny2
57
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Posted - 2012.12.27 10:14:00 -
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I personally havent botherd training BC- V yet, i heard it was gonna come out last patch it never did, when i do find out when it's actually going to come out then, ill start training for it. only have 5 days left on it. so wont take to long when you add some +4's :) |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
1499
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Posted - 2012.12.27 10:16:00 -
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I haven't noticed any backlash from Retribution, most people seem to think it's one of the best expansions, I think it's easily the best.
As what comes to the skill change- it's done because the are streamlining and sanitizing the ship progression. They have a rule concerning these kinds of changes: you'll be able to fly what you can fly now after the change, and that's why you get [racial] BC or dessie V with only [racial] cruiser/frig at III.
It's not a "SP giveaway". Sure if you plan to crosstrain, now is a good time to do it, you save some time if you really want all races. If you just intend to crosstrain to one more race, the difference is not that much if you lwft it for later.
About the timetable- I don't see them doing this before the next balancing pass, which probably comes with the next expansion, not in some smaller patch. You should have plenty of time to train it. I tried to remove this sig. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5667
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Posted - 2012.12.27 10:22:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Clone costs are pathetically small until you hit around 200mil SP anyway.
I'm pathetically tight-fisted! MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
44
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Posted - 2012.12.27 10:27:00 -
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Roime wrote:I haven't noticed any backlash from Retribution, most people seem to think it's one of the best expansions, I think it's easily the best.
As what comes to the skill change- it's done because the are streamlining and sanitizing the ship progression. They have a rule concerning these kinds of changes: you'll be able to fly what you can fly now after the change, and that's why you get [racial] BC or dessie V with only [racial] cruiser/frig at III.
It's not a "SP giveaway". Sure if you plan to crosstrain, now is a good time to do it, you save some time if you really want all races. If you just intend to crosstrain to one more race, the difference is not that much if you lwft it for later.
About the timetable- I don't see them doing this before the next balancing pass, which probably comes with the next expansion, not in some smaller patch. You should have plenty of time to train it.
Yeah some things about retribution are really cool and ground breaking. Sadly CCP did affect a big part of my play though. Why I suppose I focus on backlash more then the good things about retribution.
Also was under the impression the BC changed would happen during retribution, but can't seem to find why I felt that way. |
Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
14
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Posted - 2012.12.27 10:37:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:Yeah, true.
I just don't want to waste time though.
Also mostly curious too.
Seems CCP started retribution with an angry backlash, and it seems like they want to continue that tradition with the rest of retribution possibly.
If you fly BCs or Desys of more than 1 race, you are not wasting time. If you don't, and have no plans to, no big deal.
I thought for a second that this could be a problem with pirate faction ships, but it's not. There are no pirate faction dessys or BCs.
But just think of the awesome if there were . . . .
As for retribution backlash, umm, yeah, there really isn't any. Just a few people here and there who didn't keep track of what was happening. |
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