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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.08.09 01:43:00 -
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So I dabbled in the DEV Blogs for a bit and was not pleased with what I read. Sure they are taking some responsiblity for all the problems in July, but now they are talking about new features.
CCP - You have had problems with the client, the server, missing items from as far back as beta, some of which you have known about for almost 2 years. Yet you persist in throwing out new stuff that only compounds the problems. POS's are still buggy. Corp tax is barely implemented, Client side lag is making fleet battles impossible.
The basic foundation of your game is in danger of rotting out - why don't you put Kali on hold until you get your house in order.
Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage |
MooKids
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Posted - 2005.08.09 01:51:00 -
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Ever think that maybe it is possible to do both at the same time? -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.08.09 01:53:00 -
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If the last 2 years are indicative...?
Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage |
Claude Leon
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Posted - 2005.08.09 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids Ever think that maybe it is possible to do both at the same time?
This one MUST be a joke. If that the was the case they would have fixed the problems already. ===================================================
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.08.09 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: BIRDofPREY If the last 2 years are indicative...?
Really? I have seen some major improvements from the old days, servers becoming more stable (with a few problem periods aside) and fixes to major bugs. I would say that CCP is doing their job over there working on the major issues for us. POS's buggy? How so? Corp Tax? A minor issue. Client side lag? Maybe the clients need better computers.
And have you actually been playing for these past 2 years? -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.09 02:10:00 -
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Here's what you'll see. Kali will be developed, we'll hear tidbits here and there, some big announcements, etc. The whole while, nothing new will be added to the game.
In the meantime, existing issues will still be addressed. By not adding new items, it makes it far easier for them to support the game as it is now, and continue to develop new content.
It will be ok. Just breathe.
___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie// |
Tekka
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Posted - 2005.08.09 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink Here's what you'll see. Kali will be developed, we'll hear tidbits here and there, some big announcements, etc. The whole while, nothing new will be added to the game.
In the meantime, existing issues will still be addressed. By not adding new items, it makes it far easier for them to support the game as it is now, and continue to develop new content.
It will be ok. Just breathe.
New comic. now gogogo
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.09 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tekka New comic. now gogogo
I would, but I don't have Photoshop on this computer, and I'm out of town until Friday. :P
___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie// |
sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.09 03:09:00 -
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id like to see dual fixing and adding of existing promised featuers and some progress on kali
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.08.09 03:13:00 -
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I wonder if Oveur will show up in this thread and once again explain that development and bugfixing are done by different employees of CCP.
Seriously. They do both at the same time. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.09 03:18:00 -
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i wonder if he cares to explain the missing and half finished promised existing features in a dev blog might keep those quite types that are annoyed at half implemented ideas being bypassed fr new publicity strong features
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Archias Faux
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Posted - 2005.08.09 05:04:00 -
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test (and inadvertant bump)
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.08.09 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids
Originally by: BIRDofPREY If the last 2 years are indicative...?
Really? I have seen some major improvements from the old days, servers becoming more stable (with a few problem periods aside) and fixes to major bugs. I would say that CCP is doing their job over there working on the major issues for us. POS's buggy? How so? Corp Tax? A minor issue. Client side lag? Maybe the clients need better computers.
And have you actually been playing for these past 2 years?
June 2003 They know what the problem is with the client and lag - it was address with extreme detail last June. They just didn't do anything about it. Because of that, Fleet battles are huge dissapointments.
POS that can't defend themselves against a half dozen light drones.
Corp taxes? That has been a problems since beta...
Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage |
BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.08.09 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe I wonder if Oveur will show up in this thread and once again explain that development and bugfixing are done by different employees of CCP.
Seriously. They do both at the same time.
They most likely can, but the simple fact is that problems and promised content are not happening. Put everyone on getting it fixed and then think about adding content.
As it is now, all they are doing is dog piling issues and bugs ontop of more issues and bugs. Soon it will become unmanagable. Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage |
BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.08.09 05:15:00 -
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Here is a perfect example of CCP knowing what is wrong, but not doing a thing about it...
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.09 05:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 09/08/2005 05:24:04 What I've been hearing since beta and release:
The BPO for X is missing and will be added soon Lag in fleet combat is a problem and will be fixed soon InterBus is coming soon Corporate tax will be implemented soon
Stop whining, we all know that Kali development should be second to stuff promised since Geminini, and we are still playing and paying because even with the missing promises it's still a F**king ACE game.
Why the hell do you think CCP has (tm) behind "soon" everytime it's posted here ? BECAUSE we always have to wait and see the difference between promised and delivered.
CCP delivers a LOT of what they promise, but with every release, the things promised since RELEASE seem to disappear into insignificicance and NEW bugs appear related to the NEW features.
CCP please fix and deliver the stuff you have been promising since the pre-castor era (gemini server anyone?), I think I've paid to enough (I won't take it upon myself to say "we" here) since release to at least ask for this "simple" (?) request.
EDIT: A few typos. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.08.09 05:49:00 -
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Well, I'm not sure where to start.. so I'll start somewhere.
First, calm down and take a god damned chill pill. "Fix EVE before adding new content!" - what the hell does that mean? You can't add either with a single patch, or two, or three. POS might be buggy to you.. but they still do their job for hundreds of people. Sure they could be better, but we have tech 2, and isn't that the whole point?
Second, corp tax was put in with the last patch. Our corp with a dozen members has 250mil in the wallet, I'm pretty sure its working out for the bigger corps. And fleet battles have been improving since retail.
Do you remember when cans, drones and missiles would lag your graphics out totally? I do, and I also remember not being able to have a 10v10. Then it was fixed and people started whining about not being able to do 40v40, now they whine about not being able to do 120v120. Short of tripling the server cluster and optimizing _everything_ you wont see that. Both are planned for Kali too, and I'm sure by the time we get it, people will whine about the lack of 250v250 fights or something.
The biggest thing I've got to whine about are instas and the short duration of pvp.. both have been around for a long time, or forever. I knew they were problems then too, but they were only a minor annoyance compared to having entire ships, guns, and races totally useless for anything but mining. Or having ravens virtually impossible to tackle, or the 250k SP alts in blackbirds jamming up your 25mil sp pvp character from 150km with impunity every single time.
I should probably be the last person to warn others about ranting on the forums, but at least I get into the details of why something sucks and what can be done. Saying "fix this!" and walking away casually.. what do you think thats going to do? _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2005.08.09 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 09/08/2005 06:09:09
For whatever it's worth, I think they called everyone back to work a week early. A while back, there was a post explaining why devs weren't posting anymore, and the deal was that they were on their pre-crunch vacations till the 15th of August.
Yet they got back on the 8th of August.
Probably because of the whole drones vs. POSes issue.
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Makhan
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Posted - 2005.08.09 06:51:00 -
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we all know that bugfixes will happen but it is true that they will take a long time.
a few things that irk me to no end:
WHERE IS THE COMET MINEING, HUH? HUH?
WHERE IS THE GAS MINEING EHHH?
enough with the pvp content, they have enough FOR NOW. Dont forget that not everybody in the game is a pvp maniak with a billion isk.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.08.09 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: BIRDofPREY
Originally by: MooKids
Originally by: BIRDofPREY If the last 2 years are indicative...?
Really? I have seen some major improvements from the old days, servers becoming more stable (with a few problem periods aside) and fixes to major bugs. I would say that CCP is doing their job over there working on the major issues for us. POS's buggy? How so? Corp Tax? A minor issue. Client side lag? Maybe the clients need better computers.
And have you actually been playing for these past 2 years?
June 2003 They know what the problem is with the client and lag - it was address with extreme detail last June. They just didn't do anything about it. Because of that, Fleet battles are huge dissapointments.
POS that can't defend themselves against a half dozen light drones.
Corp taxes? That has been a problems since beta...
Actually that problem with the client WAS addressed already. You might be surprised by this but there is more than one cause for the lag in fleet battles!
The POS drone thing is a bug that was discovered just a week ago, the devs just got back from vacations this week. Do the math.
Corp tax has been a problem for a long time, and it's been put on the backburner for a long time because it's really not important. If your corp needs money from its members you send out a corp mail asking for it.
The problem with not releasing new content until the bugs are fixed is that there will ALWAYS be more bugs to fix, eventually you just need to start developing some content as well as fixing bugs. If they don't do this they'll be fixing bugs for the next 3 or 4 months and everyone will start whining about lack of new content.
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Valerie Ganor
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Posted - 2005.08.09 07:22:00 -
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I would like to see all those small bugs squashed first before we hit kali.
Seeding of missing tech1 bpo's Drones overhaul Reversed Succubus Comet mining System wide belts Formal Contracts etc. +=+=+=+=+=+=+ Win the crowd... GFX Corp is recruiting! Contact Will Yokes ingame or post on the forums! |
Basileus
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Posted - 2005.08.09 10:02:00 -
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Getting new content in as an isk sink is vital to the business of CCP. If they don't get new items for people to invest in, most get rich an bored. And quit the game. Which means less money in the pockets of CCP's fat cats.
I'm sure that the customer base on the other hand is far more interested in a smoothly running game. The annoying cycle of patch-problems-fixes is exemplary of CCP's attitude towards customer satisfaction.
I reckon it is this attitude which has caused player numbers to be stable for as long as I know, and I've played for more than two years. Eve has the potential to grow, as the concept of the game is very well thought of. Unfortunately the execution of this brilliant concept is feeble at best.
An no, I'm not quitting. So bog off all you flamers.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.09 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Valerie Ganor I would like to see all those small bugs squashed first before we hit kali.
Reversed Succubus
Nah keep that one in. It's a great bug.
----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.08.09 10:53:00 -
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Some of them missing Exodus Features would be cool before they start thinking up a dousen new features. ------------------
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.08.09 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Makhan we all know that bugfixes will happen but it is true that they will take a long time.
a few things that irk me to no end:
WHERE IS THE COMET MINEING, HUH? HUH?
WHERE IS THE GAS MINEING EHHH?
enough with the pvp content, they have enough FOR NOW. Dont forget that not everybody in the game is a pvp maniak with a billion isk.
Carebears quit the game everytime there's changes to their perfect little world (missiles changes anyone? Level 4 agent nerfing anyone?)
PVP'ers adapt and keep playing. I wonder how is the most loyal customers
EVE System Security - Killboard (still early alpha) |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2005.08.09 11:10:00 -
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One of these days, on a rainy afternoon before this month expires and my subscription vanishes into the void once more, I will go through old patch notes and list how often the same problem has been fixed - and wasn't.
Just for educational purposes, mind you.
JP Beauregard
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Da'Lorien
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Posted - 2005.08.09 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Makhan enough with the pvp content, they have enough FOR NOW. Dont forget that not everybody in the game is a pvp maniak with a billion isk.
signed.
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Liquid Metal
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Posted - 2005.08.09 11:26:00 -
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I hate people who have nothing better to do than whine. I've played this game since beta. Believe me when i say, a lot of things have been fixed. At some points during beta, the game was barely playable.
Personally I feel CCP are doing a great job, considering the depth and complexity of the game.
It doesnt take a genius to realise that with every new content update, theres always a few teething problems. Considering the scale of the game, i'd say it was pretty damn playable.
It just ruins it for people when idiots start *****ing for no reason because its something they feel they have to do to fill the empty void thats in their lives.
Keep up the good work CCP. Not all of us are idiots.
"A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.08.09 12:47:00 -
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CCP: FIX What is broke now. DONT add more bugs to the game. Yes you have had over two years to fix the minor bugs.
Corp tax Brokers Stockmarkets POS controls Drone controls etc...etc.etc
Leave the new stuff untill the old stuff you have used as bait is implemented and debuged!
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Darlan Flame
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:04:00 -
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An extreamly large amount of CCP has been on vacation for the last few weeks. You have not seen any bug patches during this time because quite simply, there were no developers to make them.
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