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Aliventi
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
433
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Posted - 2013.09.26 05:39:00 -
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Devpost explaining why Blink page detailing the prizes History about the unique ships Nearly complete list of unique ships and current owners
I know most of you will never look in the In-Game Events and Gatherings section where you would find out that CCP is attempting to destroy Eve Online's treasured history because they want to have "community engagement." Essentially they are reintroducing the Gold Magnate:
Quote:The Gold Magnate was a unique ship given as the first place prize for the Amarr Championship competition. However, in 2004, Tyrrax Thorrk, the owner of the Gold Magnate, took the ship into combat. Eventually, the ship was destroyed by the infamous m0o pirates and subsequently, the Gold Magnate no longer exists. The are also creating new Guardian-Vexors:
Quote:Fifty Guardian Vexors were given out as part of an event. It is suspected that fewer than 20 still exist today. Their attributes originally are not notable: they were merely Vexors with an extra missile hardpoint. Their value came not from the ability, but solely the rarity of this limited edition ship. However, when changes in game mechanics removed from ships special abilities to control more than five combat drones, this ship was not changed, and its ability to control up to five extra drones made it extremely powerful. Unfortunately, its high price tag ensures that even those who own one will most likely not use it in combat.
In my opinion this is destroying part of Eve's history. Those ships were prime examples of what makes Eve Online so awesome. Yes, there may have been only one Gold Magnate to ever exist. Yes, it may have died. It is a fantastic example of one of the great rules of Eve: "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose." One of the reasons Tyrrax Thorrk is well known is because he died flying a unique ship that would never be brought back. He made the decision that he could afford to lose it and ended up losing the only Gold Magnate to ever exist up until now. CCP is going to destroy this history by adding in more.
The Guardian-Vexor on the other hand has a different history. Despite being the only sub-capital ship to still be able to use 10 drones, they demand a very high price and many reside in collections. Not only is adding more Guardian-Vexors to the game bad because it destroys the value of those that currently exist, but it helps destroy another reason Eve Online is so awesome: Certain things are only achievable through hard work... or stealing it. The limited nature of some of the things in Eve which means very few people will ever be able to take part in certain things give people something to strive for. Anyone can fly an AT/Limited ship. But not everyone has the skill to be part of the winning AT team, the ability to make the billions of isk to buy the few AT/Limited ships that will be sold, or the expertise to steal one. These ships are an example of what separates those that can and those that can't. Introducing more of a limited ship destroys this.
I hope you all will take the time to tell CCP to stop destroying Eve Online's history and ruining the things that make Eve great. Tell then to stop this madness now before they release more limited ships such as the Opux Luxury Yacht, Silver Magnate, or other limited issue ships.
Also a quote for the ages:
CCP Navigator wrote: Q6, So how can you be assured that SOMER Blink wonGÇÖt just make sure all of this goes to their alts?
A6, I canGÇÖt.
"tbh most people don't care about removing local from highsec. They want it gone from nullsec. I want to be able to solo roam hunt without everyone knowing I am there without them actually seeing me jump through the gate. Effortless intel is bad." ~Me |
Julius Priscus
138
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Posted - 2013.09.26 05:57:00 -
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handing out anything via lottery is beyond a ******** idea...
after all the tech 2 lottery was such a good idea.
allow them to be invented or just don't do it. this also goes for all tourney ships too. -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
That Seems Legit
State War Academy Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:01:00 -
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Oh give it a break. Theyre not gonna flood the market with the damn things. I swear eve players are more than ever before trying really hard to find things to cry about. Damns - you're ugly - and that's a compliment from me. -Large Collidable Object Seeking donations for facial reconstructive surgery, every little bit helps! |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:12:00 -
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Is this the eve equivalent to tree hugging? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9453
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:19:00 -
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Without having read anything about it or such... isn't this essentially giving Somer ISK straight off - or are they running it without paying for the tickets?
Also not sure how I feel about introducing these rare ships again, that's one of the things I love about EVE (or has been until now apparently) that if something unique and rare is destroyed - it's gone - so bringing them back isn't something I feel instantly happy about.
Opux's next?
/c
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PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
176
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:19:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:Is this the eve equivalent to tree hugging? No, this is the eve equivalent of complaining that you had to sell your diamond encrusted yacht after the markets crashed, and now all you have left are the two gold plated yachts. And one of them doesn't even have a second helipad! |
Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
254
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:25:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Without having read anything about it or such... isn't this essentially giving Somer ISK straight off - or are they running it without paying for the tickets?
Any play at all gives a ticket, even participation in the free Blinks. When the timer ends, the ticket list will be published for download and then we'll (with much gratitude) be using Dice to draw a winner :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
176
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:28:00 -
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I couldn't give a rats ass that they're adding more guardian vexors.
However, the fact that they are giving them exclusively to a single player group to distribute as they see fit bothers the hell out of me now that I think about it.
Very reminiscent of T20 tbh. Either have CCP stage an event "in honor of blink" where all accounts randomly have a chance to win one, or don't have the event at all. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9454
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:37:00 -
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Andrev Nox wrote:Chribba wrote:Without having read anything about it or such... isn't this essentially giving Somer ISK straight off - or are they running it without paying for the tickets? Any play at all gives a ticket, even participation in the free Blinks. When the timer ends, the ticket list will be published for download and then we'll (with much gratitude) be using Dice to draw a winner :) What came to mind was the people that use ISK to buy the tickets, hence why I was wondering/feeling/thought about this, and if there is any arrengement between you guys and CCP.
1. CCP giving you Goldy. 2. You sell tickets worth 10T for a chance to win said Goldy. 3. ??? 4. One lucky pilot got a Goldy you guys got 10T ISK for free
(and yes I know that it's not 10T pure ISK since many many many will use credit which you guys basically create out of thin air, but for example we could say people deposit pure ISK for 50b and you guys would have been given 50b for free kinda).
Is there any quid pro quo between you and CCP in this event? (Hopefully or CCP is going to get flooded with requests from people wanting free items lol)
/c
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Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
255
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:41:00 -
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The original plan was for the CCP donated prizes to be a Bonk, and to roll the Bonk earnings straight back into the Eve Vegas sponsorship (detailed here: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/eve-vegas-2013-1/ )
But we wanted to give folks a chance at these hulls that didn't want to spend any ISK on our site too, so we moved the tickets to "any play" and are rolling any residual profit from this event back to the Vegas event sponsorship.
Speaking of - make sure you seek me out while you're there if you get some free time. I'll be handing out said prizes all weekend :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
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Iwan Pawlow
Super Heroes In Training
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:42:00 -
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This definitely deprives EvE from its mystique and very special atmosphere... really sad that CCP is even thinking of doing that. As one already mentioned. This is EvE's history, period. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
382
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:48:00 -
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Wow, I have been expecting CCP to continue to reintroduce limited edition ships for promotions and gift packages but this really takes it to a whole new level, really devalues this history of the game. At least they have picked ships and quantities that are sensible but the message is clear: No ship is exempt from being seeded in future.
Giving them out via one of the richest groups in eve just makes it worse. Capital Shop temporarily closed. |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
112
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:51:00 -
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This is a really bad idea.
//EDIT - im just jelly |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
509
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Posted - 2013.09.26 07:28:00 -
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Meh... more clothes I will never get for my collection. Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8819
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Posted - 2013.09.26 07:29:00 -
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should've just given them to us
we'd just run a convoy of Gold Magnates and Guardian Vexors around the map on autopilot until they're all blown up Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Swidgen
Republic University Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2013.09.26 07:57:00 -
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Andrev Nox wrote:The original plan was for the CCP donated prizes to be a Bonk, and to roll the Bonk earnings straight back into the Eve Vegas sponsorship (detailed here: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/eve-vegas-2013-1/ ) But we wanted to give folks a chance at these hulls that didn't want to spend any ISK on our site too, so we moved the tickets to "any play" and are rolling any residual profit from this event back to the Vegas event sponsorship. Wait a second.... your "residual profit" is in ISK, no? How can you sponsor a RL event, i.e. EVE Vegas, with ISK? How does that work exactly? Because converting ISK into RL money is prohibited, is it not? |
Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
130
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Posted - 2013.09.26 07:58:00 -
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I don't believe in artificial rarity. It's maybe interesting in terms of the alliance prices, but in any other way there should be no restriction in how many things exits in the game. They may be hard to get, they may given out at special circumstances, but there should be a chance for everyone to get one - even if it is merely theoretical. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1206
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Posted - 2013.09.26 08:01:00 -
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Not happy about that stuff |
Iwan Pawlow
Super Heroes In Training
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 08:05:00 -
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Thebriwan wrote:I don't believe in artificial rarity.
They may be hard to get, they may given out at special circumstances, but there should be a chance for everyone to get one - even if it is merely theoretical.
There is/was always the chance. Earn enough isk and try to convince a holder of a rare item of selling it. |
Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
255
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Posted - 2013.09.26 08:06:00 -
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Swidgen wrote:Andrev Nox wrote:The original plan was for the CCP donated prizes to be a Bonk, and to roll the Bonk earnings straight back into the Eve Vegas sponsorship (detailed here: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/eve-vegas-2013-1/ ) But we wanted to give folks a chance at these hulls that didn't want to spend any ISK on our site too, so we moved the tickets to "any play" and are rolling any residual profit from this event back to the Vegas event sponsorship. Wait a second.... your "residual profit" is in ISK, no? How can you sponsor a RL event, i.e. EVE Vegas, with ISK? How does that work exactly? Because converting ISK into RL money is prohibited, is it not?
As detailed in the link you quoted - we're sponsoring the PVP tourney happening at Eve Vegas with ISK prizes, and I'm attending to hand out ISK prizes as well.
We've sponsored several dozen RL meetups in this fashion so far, although this one is by far the biggest amount of sponsorship to date :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
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Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
348
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Posted - 2013.09.26 08:12:00 -
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Quote:Q6, So how can you be assured that SOMER Blink wonGÇÖt just make sure all of this goes to their alts?
A6, I canGÇÖt. Once again we go back to the trust issue. Having worked with SOMER for some time now I asked myself, GÇÖCould they game this so they gets the cool stuff?GÇÖ Yep, they absolutely could. GÇÿCan we prevent it?GÇÖ No, we absolutely canGÇÖt. GÇÿDo I believe they would cheat to win it for themselves?GÇÖ I genuinely do not believe they will. SOMER Blink have been one of the most philanthropic groups in EVE.
It is safe to say that they can buy anything that is for sale and money is no object yet, despite that, everyone I have interacted with there is humble, gracious and honest. I honestly believe that this blast will be fun and fair for all who enter. All prizes awarded will be done so using ChribbaGÇÖs Dice.
not happy about that part at all. No player corp should be given exclusive rights for distribution of special items in Eve whatsoever. Doesnt matter wether its Somer, Goons, or any other player driven corp within the sandbox. The worrying part is CCP admit that Somer could fix it, and that CCP could do nothing to stop it. That speaks volumes to me. |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
15
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Posted - 2013.09.26 08:21:00 -
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Winter expansion announcement: T2 lotteries are coming back! Now hosted by somerblink! I like where this is going. |
Arec Bardwin
1115
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Posted - 2013.09.26 08:45:00 -
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This is bollocks! Bring back the Golden Retriever instead. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS type X
55
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Posted - 2013.09.26 09:33:00 -
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Wow, CCP decision making CAN get worse; I would have said not possible but seems they have supernatural ability at fail. I have spoken !!!
Yawn, and I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2178
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Posted - 2013.09.26 09:38:00 -
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Hey CCP, nice idea!
Since you don't play favouritism apparently, can you please spawn me the following:
4+ù Tenth Anniversary Collector's Editions (I guess you gotta post these? That's ok) 2+ù Golden Magnate 4+ù Ishukone Watch Scorpion 3+ù Guardian-Vexor 4+ù SPZ-3 "Torch" Laser Sight Combat Ocular Enhancer 4+ù Looking Glass Monocle Interface (left/gold) (tbh one of each is also fine)
I may or may not want to give them as prizes. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
724
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Posted - 2013.09.26 09:47:00 -
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As I wrote in the other thread, this is just stupid.
Are we about to enter a new era of :CCP: and :awesome:? Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Setsune Rin
Bite Me inc Bitten.
84
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Posted - 2013.09.26 09:50:00 -
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quick and easy solution: pull these rewards and use new limited editions
or give them some of those ATXI cruisers, i'm sure PL won't mind you deluting their value just as you apparantly assume the guaridan vexor owners dont |
Iwan Pawlow
Super Heroes In Training
3
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Posted - 2013.09.26 09:56:00 -
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I have to repeat myself. CCP, this idea is so unnecessary. Plz focus on other more important topics. I think you're causing much rage with that action. Leave it as it is. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
385
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:03:00 -
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Setsune Rin wrote:quick and easy solution: pull these rewards and use new limited editions
or give them some of those ATXI cruisers, i'm sure PL won't mind you deluting their value just as you apparantly assume the guaridan vexor owners dont CCP have always said Special Edition ships are buy at investors risk. They will still be ultra rare, so the collectors bragging rights will be intact even.
And CCP have also said that true Limited Edition ships like AT ships will not be re-released.
Note.... Limited vs Special. Two different things. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
527
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:04:00 -
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CCP
Do this and you irreparably damage something core to EVE that I hold very dear.
Please do not re-release legendary ships on a whim like that, for any reason, ever. Part of the appeal of EVE is the fact things are finite.
The Gold Magnate may have been destroyed, but it is immortal, its story is engraved in the collective memory of EVE. Stories like that are part of the game. Re-releasing uniques diminishes their value in more than one way.
Reintroducing a ship of such status is a grave insult to both the winner of the ship back then, and the person who went out and died in it.
I feel the same way about the guardian-vexors.
And I'm not even going to begin about handing such extremely valuable items to a third party.
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Janeway84
Masters Of Destiny Pride Before Fall
31
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:05:00 -
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I think its nice ccp adds a little spice to the game, though I would have prefered to be able to find BPC's for the ships in some new exploration sites or even LP store items
I always wanted to tru the guardian vexor when i was a noob and pretty much gave up on the idea a while back. This feels like good news to someone who hasnt played from the beginning. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16632
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:06:00 -
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Idiotic. There is no other word to describe it.
If you want to hand out unique ships, create unique ships to hand out. Don't ruin the uniqueness of ships already in the game, even if they're so unique they've been lost forever. In fact, GÇ£lost foreverGÇ¥ is the best reason to not do so since there is no legendary status that will ever beat that and since no game will ever offer the same.
Give Somer some Bronze Magnates and Steward Vexors if you have to, but let the historical ships be historical. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Leontyne Gaterau
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:19:00 -
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Why does anyone care |
Leontyne Gaterau
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:21:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Hey CCP, nice idea!
Since you don't play favouritism apparently, can you please spawn me the following:
4+ù Tenth Anniversary Collector's Editions (I guess you gotta post these? That's ok) 2+ù Golden Magnate 4+ù Ishukone Watch Scorpion 3+ù Guardian-Vexor 4+ù SPZ-3 "Torch" Laser Sight Combat Ocular Enhancer 4+ù Looking Glass Monocle Interface (left/gold) (tbh one of each is also fine)
I may or may not want to give them as prizes.
We don't need petty goods we already get advanced notice of every change a good couple months before everyone else |
Le Petite More
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:28:00 -
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We can't think of real content so lets just favor one group of players and give away rare ships. CCP spent all Alliance tournament talking about how ships are really destroyed. I guess the small print was until they decide to play favorites and give them away.
The Gold Magnate made me feel like decisions in EVE have consequences. Now i feel like CCP is turning away from that with many recent decisions, and it is making me worried. |
Vegeta
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:30:00 -
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Ten years ago, there was an event considerably more interesting than this one. At this event, the Gold and Silver magnates were given out. Please don't undermine the efforts of those players who won these ships, and the history that goes with them, by giving them out in a lottery. It's probably the worst distribution method because it requires no special skills or talents. Besides, if you go back to what happened in 2003, almost ten years to the day, you'll find that CCP's communication then indicated that the Gold Magnate was a one-of-a-kind. Since then, several pieces of communication have indicated that no more would be released.
Why is it that some CCP employees have no sense of the history of the game? Nor are they aware of the significance which certain players and groups have created around events that took place in the past or objects in the game world? Further, why must events be so bland as to involve winning what would probably rank in the top 5 of the most expensive ships in Eve simply by entering your name in a pot? An Eve Dissertation |
Terminal Adtur
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:32:00 -
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Leontyne Gaterau wrote: We don't need petty goods we already get advanced notice of every change a good couple months before everyone else
Shhhhhh |
Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
3
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:36:00 -
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I'm looking for a GVEX over a year now, however I am NOT supporting THAT way of getting one! CCP, bad idea! |
Garan Nardieu
Moira. Villore Accords
50
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:36:00 -
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Re-introducing items that were supposed to be unique is a bad idea. It breaks the 'harshness' aspect of the game, it breaks lore, it breaks the actions-consequence nature of eve. If you want to do something silly, introduce silver or platinum magnate or Hello Kitty Armageddon. Just don't reintroduce anything. Even I as a relatively new player can see that.
Bad, bad idea. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1333
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:38:00 -
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Turning EVE History into dust is a very bad idea. Those ships were and are rarities and must remain as such. I for one am not at all happy with what is going down with re-introducing these ships. No CCP, please, be honest and stay true to EVE.
Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact |
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
286
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:39:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:And CCP have also said that true Limited Edition ships like AT ships will not be re-released.
They said that about Gold Magnate.
as far as I know they haven't said it about the guardian vexor so I have no problem with them releasing more of those, even if lottery is a pretty stupid way to go about it |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
348
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:40:00 -
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Vegeta wrote:Further, why must events be so bland as to involve winning what would probably rank in the top 5 of the most expensive ships in Eve simply by entering your name in a pot?
but its not simply just entering your name in a pot, its by entering your name in a pot controlled by a player, there is a big difference.
CCP, if you want to release these ships (and wether you should or not is a completely different topic imo), then do it on an account basis, 1 account = 1 possible entry, period. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1557
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:41:00 -
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Please, CCP, please, don't do exactly whatever you want with your own IP. You'll drive down the value of the pixels! Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
348
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:41:00 -
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Vegeta wrote:Further, why must events be so bland as to involve winning what would probably rank in the top 5 of the most expensive ships in Eve simply by entering your name in a pot?
but its not simply just entering your name in a pot, its by entering your name in a pot controlled by a player, there is a big difference.
CCP, if you want to release these ships (and wether you should or not is a completely different topic imo), then do it on an account basis, 1 account = 1 possible entry, period, and not via a player corporation's isk making machine. |
Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
3
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:47:00 -
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"..is extremely important for keeping players happy.."
I can imagne CCP Devs got a bombardment of whining petitions of players every day who want to fly/have superare ships without effort or can't/don't want pay for them. Please CCP, don't open that door. It ruins a part of Eve's precious atmosphere severely. |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
1973
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:55:00 -
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Andrev Nox wrote:I noticed he had one hand raised in protest, but the other was still busy opening gifts. Of course. The chances of CCP backing down on this are next to nil. If anything, CCP is more than likely to double-down in this. Hell, they might even give you more Gold Magnates.
CCP, if you'll recall, doubled-down on Incarna and $60 monocles, until someone in the company said "Hey, we're actually losing accounts over this. A lot of accounts."
Since I doubt people are going to cancel accounts over this ... the Gold Magnates are not going to vanish from your prize pool. I might as well get a couple tickets in there.
But I will ***** about their decision in the meanwhile ... so hopefully it never happens again. Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
Tomohiro Tsumego
Dynamic Industries Dynamic Industries Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:56:00 -
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Just to throw my 2 cents into the ring...
It's a bloody gold ship, that's it... nothing special other than it's gold and rare. The fact that after all these years we are not able to simply paint our ships with whatever color scheme we want is a joke. There is no lore reason stating that someone could not come along and manufacture new magnates with a golden hue so whatever.
Guardian Vexor on the other hand is a different issue.... while having a few more in the world does make the world more interesting I can honestly say I wish they were different in such a way that they could be told apart. Perhaps remove a low slot, add a mid slot and call it a Siege Vexor. |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
1973
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:02:00 -
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Andrev Nox wrote:... an equitable and fair player organization weren't willing to facilitate it. Says you.
I believe Somer Blink is probably 99% fair. I have no idea if there's a 1% of the time that Somer rewards himself or protects his profit margins with some shady "random-number generation." Apparently CCP can't be sure either. Which is what makes this baffling. They could have easily run their own raffle (they've done so in the past), but elected to give Somer the opportunity to makes themselves much richer. Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
Arec Bardwin
1116
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:02:00 -
[49] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Wow, CCP decision making CAN get worse; I would have said not possible but seems they have supernatural ability at fail. !excellence!
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
324
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:06:00 -
[50] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Idiotic. There is no other word to describe it.
If you want to hand out unique ships, create unique ships to hand out. Don't ruin the uniqueness of ships already in the game, even if they're so unique they've been lost forever. In fact, GÇ£lost foreverGÇ¥ is the best reason to not do so since there is no legendary status that will ever beat that and since no game will ever offer the same.
Give Somer some Bronze Magnates and Steward Vexors if you have to, but let the historical ships be historical.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
48574
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:07:00 -
[51] - Quote
Rare Ships should stay rare.
They were made to be rare and declared rare.
"No Sir, I didn't like it." -- Mr. Horse Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
JetCord
People of Random Nature
17
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:17:00 -
[52] - Quote
first off I dont agree ccp doing this to rare ship and im sure most of you feel that way
secondly like the OP said this is like destroying eve history
third - why are they giving these rare ships to somer blink? i dont agree with ccp favoring a 3rd party
thanks |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
780
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:17:00 -
[53] - Quote
Iwan Pawlow wrote:Thebriwan wrote:I don't believe in artificial rarity.
They may be hard to get, they may given out at special circumstances, but there should be a chance for everyone to get one - even if it is merely theoretical. There is/was always the chance. Earn enough isk and try to convince a holder of a rare item of selling it. won't work with Gold Magnate. |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:17:00 -
[54] - Quote
As Goons are historically important to the game and still creating fresh content can we get some dev favoritism for once instead of having whatever bandwagon we're on nerfed every time without fail? |
Bobmon
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
58
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:19:00 -
[55] - Quote
very bad idea to do this trough a Player owned orgainsation within eve. and I thought eve was created on the basis of Once it is destroyed its gone?? Please CCP dont make this mistake "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstein |
Stoogie
Space Pygmies
84
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:23:00 -
[56] - Quote
Don't do this ccp |
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:24:00 -
[57] - Quote
Let's face the truth. There will be only 2 Goldmagnates and 4 x Guardian Vexors. At the end ISK is the deciding aspect. Some ultraspacerich guys/collectors will buy almost all tickets and win, or the average pilot wins one of those rare ships and sells it for some billions (trillions) to another superspacerich collector. Finally, the ships are as rare as before, and will collect dust in hangars like the others. So will the Goldmagnates. |
Tetsel
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
85
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:27:00 -
[58] - Quote
What a terrible idea, don't mess with EVE history or at least make a valid "live event" to seed them. FFS it's a ******* lottery Loyal servent to Mother Amamake.
Twitter:-á-á-á-á@EVE_Tetsel-á-á-á@HereticArmy |
wyliana virras
The Deities Knights of Tomorrow
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:29:00 -
[59] - Quote
bring in new ships and make new history instead of ruining the past... you will just cause more rage, if that is what you want. |
Sol Kal'orr
The Scope Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:29:00 -
[60] - Quote
Adding two Gold Magnates is one (daft and un-eve) thing but adding them via a third-party-lottery-site is the height of silly.
Less favoritism please. |
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Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
60
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:30:00 -
[61] - Quote
The whole zen of these ships is their rarity. They're digital. If you really want a new, limited ship, you can create a new and different one in a day, and let revered ancient artifacts remain scarce. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
captain foivos
State War Academy Caldari State
158
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:31:00 -
[62] - Quote
"Hey let's just reintroduce a bunch of rare ships based on the extremely rigorous criteria of 'we like these people so they get untold billions of free ISK.'" |
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:33:00 -
[63] - Quote
captain foivos wrote:"Hey let's just reintroduce a bunch of rare ships based on the extremely rigorous criteria of 'we like these people so they get untold billions of free ISK.'"
Some would pay trillions for that goldmagnate. That thing with somer, i don't like that. |
Bobmon
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
58
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:44:00 -
[64] - Quote
woot somers new beachhouse is on its way! "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstein |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
391
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:45:00 -
[65] - Quote
If I win the golden magnate by some chance, I will hold an event so it could die once again in a glorious death and a huge ball of fire. It's gone CCP, it should not be revived. www.wormholefundamentals.com www.youtube.com/user/asayanami www.twitter.com/Asayanami www.facebook.com/Asayanami.Dei
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Tomohiro Tsumego
Dynamic Industries Dynamic Industries Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:50:00 -
[66] - Quote
Asayanami Dei wrote:If I win the golden magnate by some chance, I will hold an event so it could die once again in a glorious death and a huge ball of fire. It's gone CCP, it should not be revived.
That will surely make the other winner very happy as theirs suddenly becomes twice as rare of a unicorn. |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:52:00 -
[67] - Quote
Whose idea was this anyway? Did this third party lottery thing approach CCP and asked for unique prizes? Or was it some smart-ass CCP dude who decided it will be a "good idea" to spawn some rare ships?
It is your right ofc to give out prizes, but at least give these ships different names from the originals. Like "Gold Magnate MkII" or something. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Adaahh Gee
Rock jockeyz
88
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:52:00 -
[68] - Quote
I don't really care about the prices of rare ships that I will never own fluctuating.
I do care about: 1. CCP going back on their word. 2. CCP releasing more near useless ships into game (gold magnate etc has no benefit over regular magnate). 3. CCP being so lazy as to not just make a few new special edition ships, they have stacks of design ideas from the previous ship design contests, and I'd hope there is at least one person left at CCP with enough imagination to design and spec a new ship. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
536
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:55:00 -
[69] - Quote
Adaahh Gee wrote:I don't really care about the prices of rare ships that I will never own fluctuating.
I do care about: 1. CCP going back on their word. 2. CCP releasing more near useless ships into game (gold magnate etc has no benefit over regular magnate). 3. CCP being so lazy as to not just make a few new special edition ships, they have stacks of design ideas from the previous ship design contests, and I'd hope there is at least one person left at CCP with enough imagination to design and spec a new ship.
It's not about their ISK value. That is a side issue. It's the fact the Gold Magnate has legendary status and reintroducing it is like... Highlander II.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8820
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:57:00 -
[70] - Quote
While we're at it, can you guys spawn me a Sabre BPO? Thanks! Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:59:00 -
[71] - Quote
Additional question.
Will it be audited by CCP where ISK go and that all ships will be handed out?
Or in case Somer will not hand over ships to winner, CCP will just say "Welp, we got scammed, no rule against that, good job"?
You just recently changed TOS over this. And since you are giving the ships, you are endorsing this lottery, thus it represents CCP. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
352
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:59:00 -
[72] - Quote
Andski wrote:While we're at it, can you guys spawn me a Sabre BPO? Thanks!
good point, if we are re-releasing limited edition ships, why not do the same with T2 BPOs, or even seed them on the market.?(sarcasm for those not able to grasp it). |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
383
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:01:00 -
[73] - Quote
Andrev Nox wrote:As detailed in the link you quoted - we're sponsoring the PVP tourney happening at Eve Vegas with ISK prizes, and I'm attending to hand out ISK prizes as well.
We've sponsored several dozen RL meetups in this fashion so far, although this one is by far the biggest amount of sponsorship to date :)
I do appreciate that Somer is funding things like this and the NEO etc.. Could you explain how exactly the ISK from these limited ships will be calculated?
a) The ISK from the pools of these blinks b) The difference in ISK deposited / blinked between an average week and the week of these special prizes c) some other method?
The increase in profits from more players using Somer after the exposure from this event could be in the hundreds of billions in the long run, even after factoring in the payouts and sponsorship. In fact I could easily imagine that Somer might make more money in the long run than an entity would from simply auctioning off the ships. Just the fact of CCP giving them their blessing in handing over these ships will (wrongly) convince many players Somer is completely legitimate, that's not to say that they necessarily aren't but this really doesn't prove anything.
Seems a very sketchy move. Capital Shop temporarily closed. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8820
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:01:00 -
[74] - Quote
Red Templar wrote:Additional question.
Will it be audited by CCP where ISK go and that all ships will be handed out?
Or in case Somer will not hand over ships to winner, CCP will just say "Welp, we got scammed, no rule against that, good job"?
You just recently changed TOS over this. And since you are giving the ships, you are endorsing this lottery, thus it represents CCP.
Look at the last quote in the OP. They can't be bothered to audit what is literally giving a single player and his friends a half trillion ISK to give away through their lottery. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:03:00 -
[75] - Quote
No, CCP. This is seriously a bad idea. How did this bullshit idea even get through? |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3478
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:04:00 -
[76] - Quote
This is ******* ******** and shouldn't be done under any circumstances, for specific reasons explained already in this thread.
CCP, stop this stupid
Make NEW special things, do not reuse the old ones.
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arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
168
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:05:00 -
[77] - Quote
This is what happens when you are lazy. Lazy to introduce new ships. Lazy to do a lottery yourself.
What about all the people blocked at Somer? cant they have a chance to win? What about favoriting one organization over the others?
Just by the look of thing, it looks like CCP just enjoys watching our tears :) Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
326
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:05:00 -
[78] - Quote
How can you cry about them adding 4 more unique ships to the game? Its utterly ridiculous. If i would get any of this i would just fly it into the gatecamp to show you how much I care. New CQ prototype |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
220
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:12:00 -
[79] - Quote
Andski wrote:Red Templar wrote:Additional question.
Will it be audited by CCP where ISK go and that all ships will be handed out?
Or in case Somer will not hand over ships to winner, CCP will just say "Welp, we got scammed, no rule against that, good job"?
You just recently changed TOS over this. And since you are giving the ships, you are endorsing this lottery, thus it represents CCP. Look at the last quote in the OP. They can't be bothered to audit what is literally giving a single player and his friends a half trillion ISK to give away through their lottery. With, of course, the possibility of these things going to their shill accounts that ~do not exist~
Ok, that seems legit to me, no worries there then.
Hey CCP, i wanna have EVE event for my friends and we need cool prizes. Can you spawn me some ships? I will take even regular titans, no need for rare stuff. Thanks in advance! For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8820
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:12:00 -
[80] - Quote
Spawn some unused clothes assets or whatever for this thing, but don't give away previously issued limited issue ships, especially not those that are no longer extant. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Ariel Dawn
F9X
1137
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:13:00 -
[81] - Quote
This should be done via an official CCP channel, not blink. It's essentially handing them a couple trillion ISK and there's tons of people who would love an opportunity for these items (unreleased monacle, wtb!) who have no interest in giving the blink people ISK. |
Alara IonStorm
5357
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:16:00 -
[82] - Quote
Why the Gold Magnate, it has no real special powers. It is legend for one and only reason, that one existed then died. If it isn't legend for that reason no one will care.
No one cares about the Silver Magnate but everyone who plays EVE learns the history of the Gold Magnate at some point or another because of this.
This is disappointing. |
Kern Hotha
45
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:16:00 -
[83] - Quote
I don't care whether old ships are added back into the game. A player-run gambling corporation as the point of origin for the ships is a questionable choice, though. One might ponder why such a corporation is apparently favored by CCP. To be pleased with one's limits is a wretched state. -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
Seraph Essael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:17:00 -
[84] - Quote
If they are going to do it (which I hope they don't but to be honest it sounds like CCP have already spawned and dished out the ships in preperation) they should do it account wise: 1 account = 1 entry.
Not everyone plays blink, and to be honest I can't stand the idea of it. There are people on the TS channel I use and all they do is carebear on Eve chatting about the billions of ISK they have put into blink and interupt people chatting by shouting "Promo. Promo. Promo." down their mics.
Im still new to Eve (2013 char), and a collector of ships (my goal is to collect every sub capital class ship in the game) and I knew before I started that there was some super rare ships that I would have to grind ISK for and barter price on etc (hell I spoke with Entity for christ sake to find out different ways to go about adding rarer ships to my collection). I understood from the beginning that there was some ships that no longer existed in the game and that actually was fantastic.
Why not create a new ship from concept art or whatever, instead of re introducing a ship that has been destroyed in player created lore (which is what this game is all about right?). The person who lost that Gold Magnate, and the people who played their parts in its destruction, created EVE history and introducing more would diminish that fact.
As for the Guardian-Vexor, it is my goal to have one of those, but if they re-implement these and I get one, I will sort of feel like I have cheated. It might not be one of the originals etc etc. I like the idea of hunting down this rare ship and getting my hands on one, but one that isn't an original one of fifty (I think there was originally fifty?) no thanks...
Edit: Terrible spelling. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1325
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:17:00 -
[85] - Quote
As one can play this game legally at the tender age of thirteen, any official connection between CCP and an in-game gambling site is, well, not good to say the least. This is not a signature. |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:19:00 -
[86] - Quote
Really, CCP? You're really just going to hand these fantastically rare items out to a player run organization at zero effort cost?
May as well re-seed the T2 BPO lottery while you're at it, at least that lottery wouldn't go through a player run organization. |
Morphisat
Millard Innovation Inc The 20 Minuters
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:21:00 -
[87] - Quote
Kern Hotha wrote:I don't care whether old ships are added back into the game. A player-run gambling corporation as the point of origin for the ships is a questionable choice, though. One might ponder why such a corporation is apparently favored by CCP.
This exactly ! Why favor one site / organization over another ? Make you wonder, doesn't ? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8821
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:21:00 -
[88] - Quote
Gamer4liff wrote:Really, CCP? You're really just going to hand these fantastically rare items out to a player run organization at zero effort cost?
May as well re-seed the T2 BPO lottery while you're at it, at least that lottery wouldn't go through a player run organization.
But why bother reimplementing and retesting code unused since 2005 when they can let Blink give out the T2 BPOs? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Clue 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:21:00 -
[89] - Quote
CCP should have never allowed the idea to go through and pass out ships that were suppose to be gone forever. SOMER Blink needs to burn to the ground for even agreeing to this bullshit. I recommend everyone boycott their service. If they don't become more hated than grrr goons, we as a community have failed. I'm only on this because my main, Tron 3K, is banned till 9/30/2013! Don't give me any likes! |
Professional Forum Alt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:21:00 -
[90] - Quote
This is the WORST IDEA I have heard from CCP in a VERY LONG time.
Reseeding these rare ship of EVE history - REALLY terrible idea. (Destroying EVE history)
Making them won by a lottery for some people - EVEN worse idea. (T2 BPO - anyone?)
Making it though a player held lottery - WORST idea ever. (Conflict of interest...)
CCP - Has was it again that this year "office tour" lottery was handled this year ? You guys REALLY need to take a hard look at this idea, and fix it ASAP...
Any typos, spelling errors and bad grammer found, are free and yours to keep |
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Literally Space Moses
Perkone Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:26:00 -
[91] - Quote
I thought this was a joke when I found out. First the TOS then this? Seriously CCP? You were doing so well. |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
220
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:32:00 -
[92] - Quote
Does somer blink represent CCP? The answer is probably no. Because that would be against the rules.
But why does CCP gives free items to player organization, rare items at that? How is that different from scandal when some GM was giving t2 bpo's to BOB? That was against the rules, but suddenly its not anymore?
Please explain this to me. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:32:00 -
[93] - Quote
at least mark them so it's clear which ones are fake and which ones are not.
guess CCP can't be bothered to make new ships and skins anymore :(. Baddest poster ever |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
1976
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:33:00 -
[94] - Quote
Is Somer Blink legit?
http://blinkexposed.blogspot.de/p/fake-players.html
Mostly legit is not 100% legit.
Why is CCP using Somer to distribute exceptionally rare and expensive goodies? Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
Zilero
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
92
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:35:00 -
[95] - Quote
Unless Somer is a part ofCCP, this blatant favoritism of one Eve offline gambling site should seriously stop.
Terrible, just terrible. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
709
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:36:00 -
[96] - Quote
Remember guys, there will be cheap PLEX on amazon to cash out and buy more tickets!!!!!
If you want these ships back in the game, add them directly in the game inseatd of through a 3rd party. If you want ships like that to come back in the game, then do it with in-game mechanic. Add lore to Gallente saying they started producing new Protector-Vexor with the technology of guardians and introduce way to earn them in game. You could even put more ships with unique function in the lineup of each 4 empire but no 3rd party lottery.
As for the gold magnate, NO. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1133
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:37:00 -
[97] - Quote
I'm adding my voice to say that this is a terrible decision, both re-introducing previously unique ships to EVE, and handing them out to an arbitrarily chosen player organization. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
327
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:37:00 -
[98] - Quote
If you all don't want them, than just give them to me, so i can fly them into the ball of fire and we could forgot about all of this. New CQ prototype |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1234
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:39:00 -
[99] - Quote
What's the problem?
Let them introduce again those Vexors and Magnates, even Adestrias or Mimirs, the more there will be the more will be destroyed in change of good fun moments. Except for RMT reasons, I see no point why those shouldn't be available as price in some sort of event like CCP Caravan etc. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8823
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:39:00 -
[100] - Quote
"Here's how it works: Any time you play any Blink, you receive 1 ticket to the drawing (even if you buy more than one ticket). Plus, if you win the Blink, you receive bonus tickets based on the size of the Blink."
Hey guys just give this player-run entity more ISK and you'll have a better chance of winning these things we're having them give away! Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
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Zibru Povens
Hoover Inc. Black Legion.
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:41:00 -
[101] - Quote
this idea is incarna-level stupid. guess it does have an impact if good designers leave and some EA F2P guys are hired. |
Shux Legion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:42:00 -
[102] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Remember guys, there will be cheap PLEX on amazon to cash out and buy more tickets!!!!!
.
Cheap Amazon PLEX is for US customers only. |
Niec Mogul
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:44:00 -
[103] - Quote
This is probably just grooming of the playerbase for the coming F2P-P2W days. Get everyone used to the idea of approaching some external site to plonk down currency and get something special. Today it's ISK...
They'll have another drawing after this one, with some other items.
Then they'll just make it a regular thing (CCP-sponsored "Blinks").
Next thing you know you'll be able to buy into CCP Blinks using Aurum instead of ISK.
Then they'll eliminate that bothersome middle step of converting PLEX to Aurum and just let you buy in using straight-up cash.
After that it's a hop skip and a jump to a CCP cash shop.
Finally they'll start posting "Caldari Navy High-Power Missiles - Special Edition," with 10% extra damage and flight time, and there we are.
Good times! |
Buju79
Infinite Improbability Inc Ex Cinere Scriptor
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:44:00 -
[104] - Quote
Don't you thnk CCP is just complementing the fact Blink is doing extreemly well..... Why is everybody crying about it.. Think off something that will make you triljons and see what they will do for you |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
393
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:46:00 -
[105] - Quote
Jita Riot 2013! www.wormholefundamentals.com www.youtube.com/user/asayanami www.twitter.com/Asayanami www.facebook.com/Asayanami.Dei
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Julius Priscus
140
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:46:00 -
[106] - Quote
PotatoOverdose wrote:I couldn't give a rats ass that they're adding more guardian vexors.
However, the fact that they are giving them exclusively to a single player group to distribute as they see fit bothers the hell out of me now that I think about it.
Very reminiscent of T20 tbh. Either have CCP stage an event "in honor of blink" where all accounts randomly have a chance to win one, or don't have the event at all.
why not make it a Xmas gift.. everyone gets ONE ship to pick from all give away ships. be it tourney ships or event ships, how ever accounts must be a certain age to get certain ships.. the older the account the better the list to choose from.
IE your account must be the same age as when the ship was given out originally .
this will help stop people trying to farm certain ships with trial or new accounts. -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
427
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:47:00 -
[107] - Quote
Buju79 wrote:Don't you thnk CCP is just complementing the fact Blink is doing extreemly well..... Why is everybody crying about it.. Think off something that will make you triljons and see what they will do for you
Will they rebuild Yulai for me? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8831
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:47:00 -
[108] - Quote
In exchange for Blink getting substantially increased traffic, massive amounts of ISK as a result, plus more $$ from GTC referrals which their players are awarded credits for, Blink is sponsoring a few billion in prizes in blink credits (lmao) and PLEX for PvP tournament participants.
This deal is clearly not skewed entirely in Blink's favor! Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Sol Kal'orr
The Scope Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:47:00 -
[109] - Quote
Adding new (historic) ships is one thing, but adding them via a player-run-website smacks of favoritism.
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Rumtin
Imperium Technologies Get Off My Lawn
24
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:49:00 -
[110] - Quote
PotatoOverdose wrote:I couldn't give a rats ass that they're adding more guardian vexors.
However, the fact that they are giving them exclusively to a single player group to distribute as they see fit bothers the hell out of me now that I think about it.
Very reminiscent of T20 tbh. Either have CCP stage an event "in honor of blink" where all accounts randomly have a chance to win one, or don't have the event at all.
Couldn't agree more. The fact these ships are being given out to a select few players to do as they please with is what generates an issue with me. That is complete and utter Bull S***. IF rare ships are going to come back into the game, CCP should be the ONLY ones doing it, not other players. |
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Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:49:00 -
[111] - Quote
Andski wrote:"Here's how it works: Any time you play any Blink, you receive 1 ticket to the drawing (even if you buy more than one ticket). Plus, if you win the Blink, you receive bonus tickets based on the size of the Blink."
Hey guys just give this player-run entity more ISK and you'll have a better chance of winning these things we're having them give away!
So wait... CCP gave them items for free, and they are earning ISK from that? That totally make sense. And not at all the same as just giving free isk to players. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
1977
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:50:00 -
[112] - Quote
Buju79 wrote:Don't you thnk CCP is just complementing the fact Blink is doing extreemly well..... Why is everybody crying about it.. Think off something that will make you triljons and see what they will do for you Mynnna is worth 2 trillion. CCP has not rewarded him yet.
Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
Regat Kozovv
Alcothology
33
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:50:00 -
[113] - Quote
Reintroducing those specific ships is reaching back to a time long past. The Gold Magnate and the Guardian Vexor are not simply valuable in terms of rarity, ISK value, or their special abilities, but rather for what they represent. They're relics of a bygone time, a time capsule in a game where its players erase the monuments that came before. If they're reintroduced, then that property is gone, cheapened by this recent knockoff. Icons so revered for those nostalgic for times that will never come again will have this property erased.
EVE is special because of the fleeting nature of these moments in time. The knowledge that all will become dust: ships, empires, players, allegiances. Those few things that endure we worship because of this exception to the rule. Like museum pieces, valued not for their monetary value but because of their window into the past. Leave these relics alone.
(It's worth noting that the value of these ships will be greatly diminished, among all who possess one, new and old, the moment CCP reintroduces them. Since so much of its value is derived from its age, a winner receiving one will not be getting the ship spoken of throughout the years, but a different ship, instantly changed in the minds of everyone because of the knowledge that are now made in 2013, not 2003.) |
Dmw882
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:51:00 -
[114] - Quote
NO, just no CCP. Event ships are just that, the mark an EVENT, a signel point in time where something happened, to bring them back for a lottery is just silly, if your gonna do this whats your next step? selling Apotheosis bpos on the open market? |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4027
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:53:00 -
[115] - Quote
CCP gives prizes to support all sorts of player-run events. This is not ground-breaking.
3+2 new copies of rare ships is not going to ruin the game.
Personally I look forward to taking a shot at winning a Guardian Vexor.
Hell Eve-Vegas itself is a player-organized event. Why not ***** and moan about CCP sending devs out to support it and spending valuable money and time that could be used developing features!
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Thomas Hurt
Yan Jung Clique
127
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:55:00 -
[116] - Quote
Bumping the threadnought |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
18
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:56:00 -
[117] - Quote
Could I have please some Harvester Drones?
But for real now. This is only a joke, right? A terrible one for sure... |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1134
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:56:00 -
[118] - Quote
Buju79 wrote:Don't you thnk CCP is just complementing the fact Blink is doing extreemly well..... Why is everybody crying about it.. Think off something that will make you triljons and see what they will do for you
Goonswarm is also doing extremely well. Should they get free unique ships for that too? |
Ender Blue
Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:59:00 -
[119] - Quote
Such a dumb thing to complain about. |
Clue 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:00:00 -
[120] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:CCP gives prizes to support all sorts of player-run events. This is not ground-breaking. 3+2 new copies of rare ships is not going to ruin the game. Personally I look forward to taking a shot at winning a Guardian Vexor. Hell Eve-Vegas itself is a player-organized event. Why not ***** and moan about CCP sending devs out to support it and spending valuable money and time that could be used developing features!
One having the devs at an event is helpful to keep their business going as it shows they care so there is no bitching about that stupid point.
Giving out prizes that are special ships that have been given out for past events is the problem not them giving out prizes that are new. Its not all that they are giving out the ships fully either. It does kill the lore, but the biggest problem is giving it to a group of people that already screw people over with that run a ISK making machine. I'm only on this because my main, Tron 3K, is banned till 9/30/2013! Don't give me any likes! |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1055
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:01:00 -
[121] - Quote
Dmw882 wrote:selling Apotheosis bpos on the open market? new Apotheosis ships have been part of promotions several times over the past 2 years.
back then hardly anybody cried (antiquarian doesn't count) so they are stepping up their game now
[insert boiling frogs analogy here] |
Rumtin
Imperium Technologies Get Off My Lawn
24
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:02:00 -
[122] - Quote
Le Petite More wrote:We can't think of real content so lets just favor one group of players and give away rare ships. CCP spent all Alliance tournament talking about how ships are really destroyed. I guess the small print was until they decide to play favorites and give them away.
The Gold Magnate made me feel like decisions in EVE have consequences. Now i feel like CCP is turning away from that with many recent decisions, and it is making me worried.
This somehow makes me suspect that a former EA executive had a hand in this.
I'm telling you, once EA (or anything related to EA) gets their hands on something, you can expect that thing to rot and become ruined. |
Sarmatiko
1444
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:04:00 -
[123] - Quote
The idea of dead and rare ship reintroduction is stupid. Reintroduction through player driven profit site is even more stupid. For **** sake, CCP, you have more than 500 V3 skins that most likely never will be used with current development speed. We have Tempest Tribal Issue with Starkmanir skin? Add random minmatar ship with Starkmanir skin and give it as unique prize - and all will be happy, including collectors. I was pissed off a little when I saw how you "handled" relatively unique rookie ships last time at Gamescom but now I don't even.. -¥ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8839
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:06:00 -
[124] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:CCP gives prizes to support all sorts of player-run events. This is not ground-breaking. 3+2 new copies of rare ships is not going to ruin the game. Personally I look forward to taking a shot at winning a Guardian Vexor. Hell Eve-Vegas itself is a player-organized event. Why not ***** and moan about CCP sending devs out to support it and spending valuable money and time that could be used developing features!
CCP's prizes for player-run events in the past have been petty things like PLEX. If you cannot recognize the difference between something like CCP giving an organizer of an RL meetup a handful of timecodes and literally driving players towards a gambling site with the hopes of winning a prize - and the chance of winning those prizes increasing the more ISK they spend - all in exchange for that gambling site giving away petty prizes at EVE Vegas, I can't help you.
Also, you realize that EVE Vegas is an extremely expensive event to organize, right? According to Zapa, it's $19k in deposits and $40k after all is said and done. It has never so much as broken even. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1201
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:07:00 -
[125] - Quote
Wow...just wow.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1242
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:08:00 -
[126] - Quote
Wow CCP.....Every now and then you come up with an idea that supercedes all others in stupidity and arrogance. You have reached yet another low.
Does the dept that dreams this stuff up have such staff turn-over that the new staff was not around to experience the rage from 2 summers ago? When you are pissing off so many people from so many areas of the game, maybe it it is time to rethink the concept.
And as others have stated, this is the start of a slippery slope down to lotteries for gold ammo, implants, and ships, with the cash going to a player-run entity, with all profits into the hands of that entity. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Shux Legion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:12:00 -
[127] - Quote
Relax guys, I'm pretty sure this is just a promotion for Dumb & Dumber to.
CCP would never really do this. |
Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
7
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:14:00 -
[128] - Quote
Shux Legion wrote: CCP would never really do this.
Too late
http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=celebration |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1519
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:14:00 -
[129] - Quote
CCP giving half a trillion isk worth of ships to a company with no affiliation except that it is making RL money off CCP's IP...seems legit.
Yes, I have no reservations about the CCP/Somer relationship. No, Sir. None what-so-ever. Don't ban me, bro! |
Random McNally
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
30365
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:14:00 -
[130] - Quote
I have to agree with many in this Threadnaught.
Spawn new unique ships. Somer is fine for auctioning them off.
Please dont reintroduce the past. Let it keep it's glory (unless of course you hand them straight to me in which case I'll gladly accept them to decorate my hangar. ) Red Fed Grunt.-á Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ UNBAN SAEDE!-á ALICE SAKI FOR OOPE MODERATOR! Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com |
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4044
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:16:00 -
[131] - Quote
Andski wrote:War Kitten wrote:CCP gives prizes to support all sorts of player-run events. This is not ground-breaking. 3+2 new copies of rare ships is not going to ruin the game. Personally I look forward to taking a shot at winning a Guardian Vexor. Hell Eve-Vegas itself is a player-organized event. Why not ***** and moan about CCP sending devs out to support it and spending valuable money and time that could be used developing features! CCP's prizes for player-run events in the past have been petty things like PLEX. If you cannot recognize the difference between something like CCP giving an organizer of an RL meetup a handful of timecodes and literally driving players towards a gambling site with the hopes of winning a prize - and the chance of winning those prizes increasing the more ISK they spend - all in exchange for that gambling site giving away petty prizes at EVE Vegas, I can't help you. Also, you realize that EVE Vegas is an extremely expensive event to organize, right? According to Zapa, it's $19k in deposits and $40k after all is said and done. It has never so much as broken even.
I can see the difference, but CCP gave prizes to the Big Lottery for their anniversary. I can't think of other examples off the top of my head, but that one is pretty similar in terms of a money-generating gambling site. Where was the outrage then?
I'm not sure what the cost of running the EVE Vegas event has to do with anything, but thanks for the info.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Rumtin
Imperium Technologies Get Off My Lawn
25
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:17:00 -
[132] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:As Goons are historically important to the game and still creating fresh content can we get some dev favoritism for once instead of having whatever bandwagon we're on nerfed every time without fail?
My corps been around sense EvE was in Beta, and we also have the third Oldest character in game as a member, and he still plays!! Maybe we could get some dev favoritism as well. |
Clue 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
7
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:18:00 -
[133] - Quote
Random McNally wrote:I have to agree with many in this Threadnaught. Spawn new unique ships. Somer is fine for auctioning them off. Please dont reintroduce the past. Let it keep it's glory (unless of course you hand them straight to me in which case I'll gladly accept them to decorate my hangar. ) Actually I find the whole SOMER Blink involved more appaling than the reintroduction of old ships. Granted I wasn't around back then and can see the lore to it but giving a player run deal the opportunity to make **** ton more money than they already do is ridiculous. I'm only on this because my main, Tron 3K, is banned till 9/30/2013! Don't give me any likes! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
48695
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:20:00 -
[134] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:Dmw882 wrote:selling Apotheosis bpos on the open market? new Apotheosis ships have been part of promotions several times over the past 2 years. back then hardly anybody cried (Antiquarian doesn't count) so CCP are stepping up their game now [insert boiling frogs analogy here]
There were (and are) still thousands of Apotheosis on the Market.
This issue is a completely different paradigm.
If you don't understand that, you just have not been playing that long or something. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2859
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:21:00 -
[135] - Quote
Stick to your guns CCP, these things are just pixels.
Some of you need to take a break from EVE, find a girl (or guy, whatever) and "get some". |
Anomaly One
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:22:00 -
[136] - Quote
it would have been better to just introduce new ships why the same ones??.. if this does happen you can voice your opinions in game in two ways, the players who will win these ships will self destruct instantly! or you should go out hunting to the people that won it and explode the ship for them! providing they undock.. |
Hildulfr
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:22:00 -
[137] - Quote
Having seen the success of providing prizes for events in other games I can endorse that idea without problem, but bringing back event/unique ships is bad form. Create a new event ship that can be used for a year for multiple events. One ship a year shouldn't be too difficult. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1765
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:23:00 -
[138] - Quote
Agata Matahari wrote:Let's face the truth. There will be only 2 Goldmagnates and 4 x Guardian Vexors. At the end ISK is the deciding aspect. Some ultraspacerich guys/collectors (chribba, entity etc.) will buy almost all tickets and win, or the average pilot wins one of those rare ships and sells it for some billions (trillions) to another superspacerich collector. Finally, the ships are as rare as before, and will collect dust in hangars like the others. So will the Goldmagnates. Never seen again...
Do you not realize that this would usher in the era where CCP hands out once unique ships to third parties like AOL Trial-Disk at the supermarket?
This is another spit on the face at the "collecting profession." When I started playing EVE, I loved the aspect of having ownership over these beautiful pixel ships with definite quantities in the market. There are those who spent thousands of hours to accumulate wealth (or spent thousands of dollars in cash for PLEX purchase), just to own these truly unique ships. Now that CCP is planning to print these unique ships like AOL Trial disks, preexisting owners will incur substantial loss as they see the market value of these ships go down.
Collecting unique items and seeing my "pixel investments" grow brought me ultimate joy years ago. Ever since the advent of handing out once-unique-items freely by CCP Marketing department, now, I am not even sure what to collect. I play this game with constant fear that whatever I bought will see their market value plunge due to CCP minting more ships.
I stopped collecting any "unique" items that were issued from 2009 and up. Please do not touch old unique ships that have standings in EVE history. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
48695
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:23:00 -
[139] - Quote
Rumtin wrote:
I'm telling you, once EA (or anything related to EA) gets their hands on something, you can expect that thing to rot and become ruined.
Yes. I leave flowers on the grave of SimCity every morning. Secretly. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Clue 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
7
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:23:00 -
[140] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Stick to your guns CCP, these things are just pixels.
Some of you need to take a break from EVE, find a girl (or guy, whatever) and "get some". Tired line is tired.. I got some last night and this morning and still find this to be dumb. Should I have went for a third time would that have changed my attitude towards them doing something ridiculously dumb like this?
I'm only on this because my main, Tron 3K, is banned till 9/30/2013! Don't give me any likes! |
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Mildew Wolf
118
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:23:00 -
[141] - Quote
smh ccp |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
229
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:23:00 -
[142] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:CCP gives prizes to support all sorts of player-run events. This is not ground-breaking. 3+2 new copies of rare ships is not going to ruin the game. Personally I look forward to taking a shot at winning a Guardian Vexor. Hell Eve-Vegas itself is a player-organized event. Why not ***** and moan about CCP sending devs out to support it and spending valuable money and time that could be used developing features! Well nobody would care if it was CCP giving out the prizes.
But its not them. CCP gives prizes to someone else, and then that someone else distributes them via lottery (that could be rigged apparently) making huge amounts of ingame money on the way. They will donate fraction of that money as tournament prizes, so apparently that makes it "Ok" in CCP books. Even though amount of money they will make is not comparable to amount donated.
And apparently this kind of gesture from CCP can be considered as endorsement or support for that gambling site. So if at any point, that site will be rigged or it turns out that people are scammed, then its also CCP fault.
The way i see it, i can go play few blinks now, lose cash, and then create petition for CCP. BEcause i trusted that site based on CCP giving them gifts to distribute, and now i have feeling that its a scam. And they should audit it.
And its my opinion, that even if the single isk made from those ships, or a ship is not distributed to players as prizes, all organizers of somer blink should be perma banned and all transactions reversed. Because CCP giving players item or isk, or anyway contributing and helping them making isk, is a big nono. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8845
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:29:00 -
[143] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:I can see the difference, but CCP gave prizes to the Big Lottery for their anniversary. I can't think of other examples off the top of my head, but that one is pretty similar in terms of a money-generating gambling site. Where was the outrage then?
This completely dwarfs that, by leaps and bounds.
War Kitten wrote:I'm not sure what the cost of running the EVE Vegas event has to do with anything, but thanks for the info.
Because you brought up CCP attending EVE Vegas and promoting it? Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:32:00 -
[144] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Agata Matahari wrote:Let's face the truth. There will be only 2 Goldmagnates and 4 x Guardian Vexors. At the end ISK is the deciding aspect. Some ultraspacerich guys/collectors (chribba, entity etc.) will buy almost all tickets and win, or the average pilot wins one of those rare ships and sells it for some billions (trillions) to another superspacerich collector. Finally, the ships are as rare as before, and will collect dust in hangars like the others. So will the Goldmagnates. Never seen again... Do you not realize that this would usher in the era where CCP hands out once unique ships to third parties like AOL Trial-Disk at the supermarket? This is another spit on the face at the "collecting profession." When I started playing EVE, I loved the aspect of having ownership over these beautiful pixel ships with definite quantities in the market. There are those who spent thousands of hours to accumulate wealth (or spent thousands of dollars in cash for PLEX purchase), just to own these truly unique ships. Now that CCP is planning to print these unique ships like AOL Trial disks, preexisting owners will incur substantial loss as they see the market value of these ships go down. Collecting unique items and seeing my "pixel investments" grow brought me ultimate joy years ago. Ever since the advent of handing out once-unique-items freely by CCP Marketing department, now, I am not even sure what to collect. I play this game with constant fear that whatever I bought will see their market value plunge due to CCP minting more ships. I stopped collecting any "unique" items that were issued from 2009 and up. Please do not touch old unique ships that have standings in EVE history.
I understand your concerns, but it's only 4 gvex and 2 Goldies. I am sure entity would pay only for the goldies some trillions of isk. So there is no drop in market value, so there isn't with 4 more gvexes. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8847
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:36:00 -
[145] - Quote
Gold Magnates don't actually have a "market value" because up until now there have been no extant hulls since 2004. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4052
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:37:00 -
[146] - Quote
Andski wrote:War Kitten wrote:I can see the difference, but CCP gave prizes to the Big Lottery for their anniversary. I can't think of other examples off the top of my head, but that one is pretty similar in terms of a money-generating gambling site. Where was the outrage then? This completely dwarfs that, by leaps and bounds. War Kitten wrote:I'm not sure what the cost of running the EVE Vegas event has to do with anything, but thanks for the info. Because you brought up CCP attending EVE Vegas and promoting it?
I brought that up because its the caliber of complaints we typically see in GD. I was just being facetious.
I wonder about the somerblink link as well, but there is precedent in them giving prizes to player organizations to give out. It's their problem if it goes awry, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if it does. CCP gonna CCP.
Again, personally I would just love to have a Guardian-Vexor and like the idea of a couple more being out there. Perhaps the solution is to rename these new copies to appease the rarity and history buffs?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:37:00 -
[147] - Quote
Andski wrote:Gold Magnates don't actually have a "market value" because up until now there have been no extant hulls since 2004.
It will be some trillions. ;) |
Aiseth Devona
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:38:00 -
[148] - Quote
Give them away in a way that doesnt have cash pouring into somer blink is pretty much the only sane answer.
If somer have these for free essentially any profit they make off this is CCP favouritism. Doesnt matter if they make the isk anyway. Imagine if Goonswarm ran a lottery website and CCP gave them to us to then dole in a lottery. The entire community would be all Grrr goons. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1765
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:38:00 -
[149] - Quote
Agata Matahari wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Agata Matahari wrote:Let's face the truth. There will be only 2 Goldmagnates and 4 x Guardian Vexors. At the end ISK is the deciding aspect. Some ultraspacerich guys/collectors (chribba, entity etc.) will buy almost all tickets and win, or the average pilot wins one of those rare ships and sells it for some billions (trillions) to another superspacerich collector. Finally, the ships are as rare as before, and will collect dust in hangars like the others. So will the Goldmagnates. Never seen again... Do you not realize that this would usher in the era where CCP hands out once unique ships to third parties like AOL Trial-Disk at the supermarket? This is another spit on the face at the "collecting profession." When I started playing EVE, I loved the aspect of having ownership over these beautiful pixel ships with definite quantities in the market. There are those who spent thousands of hours to accumulate wealth (or spent thousands of dollars in cash for PLEX purchase), just to own these truly unique ships. Now that CCP is planning to print these unique ships like AOL Trial disks, preexisting owners will incur substantial loss as they see the market value of these ships go down. Collecting unique items and seeing my "pixel investments" grow brought me ultimate joy years ago. Ever since the advent of handing out once-unique-items freely by CCP Marketing department, now, I am not even sure what to collect. I play this game with constant fear that whatever I bought will see their market value plunge due to CCP minting more ships. I stopped collecting any "unique" items that were issued from 2009 and up. Please do not touch old unique ships that have standings in EVE history. I understand your concerns, but it's only 4 gvex and 2 Goldies. I am sure entity would pay only for the goldies some trillions of isk. So there is no drop in market value, so there isn't with 4 more gvexes. The problem is SOMER, they are a capitalist mafia.
Can you really not see what is going on here? Who says CCP will stop from here? After this event, handing out these unique ships will become the norm and every lotteries will be flooding historically unique ships in the near future.
Do collectors seriously have to live in constant fear that their "collection" that is comprised of thousands of hours of sweat, tears, and $ (PLEX Purchase) will diminish in value upon whim of CCP's amazing Marketing Department? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8847
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:40:00 -
[150] - Quote
The sensible (CCP, sensible, looool) solution would have been to give a few unissued avatar apparel bits to the winners of the PvP tournament and 30 day GTCs to participants, not pumping mad ISK and RL money into a player's wallet. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
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Darkhen
Daktaklakpak.
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:40:00 -
[151] - Quote
yeah this is blatant favoritism from CCP. I do not approve |
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:41:00 -
[152] - Quote
@ Antiquarian
That's a point I have to agree. Look at Q7 from dev post. Makes me nervous. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1765
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:43:00 -
[153] - Quote
Andski wrote:The sensible (CCP, sensible, looool) solution would have been to give a few unissued avatar apparel bits to the winners of the PvP tournament and 30 day GTCs to participants, not pumping mad ISK and RL money into a player's wallet.
...... and at the same time, devaluing collectors' net worth who toiled for thousands of hours (or spent thousands of dollars in PLEX purchase). |
Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
31
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:45:00 -
[154] - Quote
While I appreciate that these rare ships are spawned again and thus there's a higher chance to see them, I really dislike the way it is handled.
Basically this is giving Somer Blink exclusive access to a very rare item and even if they don't cheat while giving them out (they'd be stupid to do that) the increased traffic and new ISK income basically is a free gift from CCP.
And then calling a lottery "philantropic". If you believe they are doing this at a loss I have a nice star system to sell you. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1201
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:49:00 -
[155] - Quote
Yeah, who cares about the stupid ships? It's the continued favoritism to marginal in-game entities that is troublesome. Blink is a cool passtime while you wait to do stuff ingame, but people don't play eve to play Blink. How about developing better content-creating mechanics so there's less downtime between fun things that then need to be filled with imaginary gambling?
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Sol Kal'orr
The Scope Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:51:00 -
[156] - Quote
If I setup a successful and legit business for long enough do I get free stuff too?
I'll run it all fair and square till I get my T2 BPOs. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1245
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:52:00 -
[157] - Quote
As much as it is horribly bad devaluing unique items by adding more to the game, the concept that CCP can't run their own random number generator and has to rely on Somer-Blink is beyond the pale.
Tell me CCP, precisely how difficult is it to make a list of every active account the day before a lottery (AND DON'T PUBLICIZE THE DATE!!!), apply a number to that account, starting at 1. Then run a random number generator, and then whatever number that comes up, that account wins whatever prize was being drawn for?
Precisely, how is this impossible?
You want to introduce stuff into the game (which in and of itself is a terrible idea)? That is the most fair way. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero True Zombies
851
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:53:00 -
[158] - Quote
Total disbelief!
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8850
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:55:00 -
[159] - Quote
Pytria Le'Danness wrote:And then calling a lottery "philantropic". If you believe they are doing this at a loss I have a nice star system to sell you.
Yeah that's a ******* riot. I've never heard of a car dealership being called ~philanthropic~ for running contests where you can win a TV by walking right into the middle of their showroom, filling out a form while some guy tries to sell you an SUV. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1766
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:55:00 -
[160] - Quote
Dear CCP,
I am getting married on October 12th. As I progress through the next stage of my life, I decided to give up all my gaming needs by quitting the following games:
SWTOR (spent thousands on Cartel market) World of Warcraft (subscribed ever since the first day of the game) Diablo 3 (hundreds of dollars spent on AH) STO (spent thousands on ZEN)
But there is one game that I left subscribed because I sincerely believed that it was the most elegant game in the whole world, ran by the best gaming company in the whole world; EVE Online.
Just like hundreds of others, we started this game because the prospect of "collecting" and seeing our fruits of labor rise in value, brought immense joy.
I am getting married on October 12th. Do I now have to live in constant fear that all my hard work and money spent, will go down the drain as you, CCP, let your amazing Marketing Department dictate all the promotions? I understand that this is more of a personal plea, but this is how desperate we are.
Please heed our pleas. Please don't do this. |
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Sol Kal'orr
The Scope Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:56:00 -
[161] - Quote
Goons are successful.
Tuskers are trustworthy.
CCP give them free stuff too. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2860
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:59:00 -
[162] - Quote
Clue 3K wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Stick to your guns CCP, these things are just pixels.
Some of you need to take a break from EVE, find a girl (or guy, whatever) and "get some". Tired line is tired.. I got some last night and this morning and still find this to be dumb. Should I have went for a third time would that have changed my attitude towards them doing something ridiculously dumb like this?
Tried is sans blow up doll next time.
It's just pixels folks. I guess we are over due for the community to get it's collective panties in a twist about something though. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
569
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:59:00 -
[163] - Quote
Thanks OP for bringing this up to my attention.
Clearly this is the beggining of another (legitimate) scandal. G££ <= Me |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
277
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:07:00 -
[164] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I am getting married on October 12th. Do I now have to live in constant fear that all my hard work and money spent, will go down the drain as you, CCP, let your amazing Marketing Department dictate all the promotions? I understand that this is more of a personal plea, but this is how desperate we are.
Please heed our pleas. Please don't do this.[/b]
If you're banking on CCP making the right decisions, History is against you. Repent what's past; avoid what is to come.
MinerBumping.com
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Ammzi
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1491
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:09:00 -
[165] - Quote
Hey, any CCP dudes who were in charge of this.
**** you. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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BadAssMcKill
Love Squad
376
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:12:00 -
[166] - Quote
Lmao http://i.imgur.com/6j6cIZE.gif-á |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
781
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:18:00 -
[167] - Quote
so much kiddorage in this thread |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8852
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:18:00 -
[168] - Quote
hey isn't it funny that Navigator claims that people will play blink anyway regardless of whether they have a chance to win a priceless ship literally worth whatever the richest collector is willing to pay for it or not
oh wait blink's own stats indicate a massive activity spike which correlates with the announcement what a shock Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Ammzi
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1491
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:20:00 -
[169] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:so much kiddorage in this thread
Oh, look at a 2013 player talking about kiddos. Why don't you waddle back to world of warcraft, boy? quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1079
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:21:00 -
[170] - Quote
My only question is: can we reach page 100 with this? |
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Liftback
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:21:00 -
[171] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: It's just pixels folks.
If it's just pixels why don't you just give me your stuff? Or feel the need to post about it? |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
24
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:22:00 -
[172] - Quote
Andski wrote:hey isn't it funny that Navigator claims that people will play blink anyway regardless of whether they have a chance to win a priceless ship literally worth whatever the richest collector is willing to pay for it or not
oh wait blink's own stats indicate a massive activity spike which correlates with the announcement what a shock But how can that be... That makes no sense at all! |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3587
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:25:00 -
[173] - Quote
It's great to see CCP can still deliver, just when I thought they'd played all their bad decision cards.
CCP trolling is best trolling.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Ammzi
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1491
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:27:00 -
[174] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:It's great to see CCP can still deliver, just when I thought they'd played all their bad decision cards.
CCP trolling is best trolling.
I think CCP has a whole lot of stupid hidden when they started saving it up during monoclegate. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Cyrus Alabel
Penumbra Institute Catastrophic Uprising
46
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:29:00 -
[175] - Quote
If they really wanted to bring back the golden magnate, I'd have less of a problem if they did it in a way that actually required effort on the part of the players, and wasn't so suspect. This feels like it's very close to the T2 BPO lottery. The answer to Q7 in the devpost also worries me. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
48803
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:29:00 -
[176] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:It's great to see CCP can still deliver, just when I thought they'd played all their bad decision cards.
CCP trolling is best trolling.
For real.
I wonder if during the Winter Expansion broadcast later today they will be taking questions ? Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
7
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:32:00 -
[177] - Quote
Something should happen in Jita today! |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
709
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:32:00 -
[178] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote: Q1, Why have this event?
A1, This is probably the most pertinent question so the answer will be long. Community engagement, be it through a player meet up, live event arc, tournament or giveaway is extremely important for keeping players happy and providing content in other ways than flying, plotting and killing on Tranquility. We constantly look at which of our partners are running major initiatives and find ways to make them into super events whenever we can. With this event we are doing a couple of things. Firstly, we are bringing back old content which has been missing for some time and introducing new items which have previously been unavailable.
If the end goal of this **** is to create content, it will fail at a tremendous level. Everybody know these ships will end up collecting dust in hangars. If you want people to be able to have centent, amke it so it will be played with like a new ship with the Guardian-Vexor for example that can be player produced. That way it generates content because some people will actaully use them. There is absolutely no content provided by every single current Guardian Vexor in the game and addind 4 more will not "fix" that. All it will do is add 4 entry to the database for the existance in some hangar of 4 more copy of this borderline useless ship because undocking it is pretty much a suicide anyway.
If you want to add content, make it content player will use. Not some ******** collectible that will at most be undocked 3 times in the next 10 years. |
SquirlRuler Cadelanne
Guilliman Initiative
17
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:32:00 -
[179] - Quote
Steijn wrote:Quote:Q6, So how can you be assured that SOMER Blink wonGÇÖt just make sure all of this goes to their alts?
A6, I canGÇÖt. Once again we go back to the trust issue. Having worked with SOMER for some time now I asked myself, GÇÖCould they game this so they gets the cool stuff?GÇÖ Yep, they absolutely could. GÇÿCan we prevent it?GÇÖ No, we absolutely canGÇÖt. GÇÿDo I believe they would cheat to win it for themselves?GÇÖ I genuinely do not believe they will. SOMER Blink have been one of the most philanthropic groups in EVE.
It is safe to say that they can buy anything that is for sale and money is no object yet, despite that, everyone I have interacted with there is humble, gracious and honest. I honestly believe that this blast will be fun and fair for all who enter. All prizes awarded will be done so using ChribbaGÇÖs Dice. not happy about that part at all. No player corp should be given exclusive rights for distribution of special items in Eve whatsoever. Doesnt matter wether its Somer, Goons, or any other player driven corp within the sandbox. The worrying part is CCP admit that Somer could fix it, and that CCP could do nothing to stop it. That speaks volumes to me.
QFT.
This is pretty much how I feel about this. I don't agree it should be given out in this fashion. I am ok with these ships being re-released, but I can not support the way in which they will be given out. "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
That Seems Legit
State War Academy Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:35:00 -
[180] - Quote
It makes perfect sense for ccp to hand these out to a player driven enterprise. You whiners are forgetting how much of eve is player driven.
How many of you nerds would be whining if ccp gave these ships to YOU to hand out after you'd shown yourself to be trustworthy? Damns - you're ugly - and that's a compliment from me. -Large Collidable Object Seeking donations for facial reconstructive surgery, every little bit helps! |
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Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
344
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:37:00 -
[181] - Quote
That Seems Legit wrote:Oh give it a break. Theyre not gonna flood the market with the damn things. I swear eve players are more than ever before trying really hard to find things to cry about.
Signed. Stop the freaking whining already.
I don't have enough clothes, my marauder isnt living up to it's price, Guardian-Vexor 51 to 54 is going to be released and therefore EVE is going to hell.
Please.
Stop crying.
/thread. Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
25
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:37:00 -
[182] - Quote
That Seems Legit wrote:It makes perfect sense for ccp to hand these out to a player driven enterprise. You whiners are forgetting how much of eve is player driven.
How many of you nerds would be whining if ccp gave these ships to YOU to hand out after you'd shown yourself to be trustworthy? How has somer shown that they are trustworthy? By not cheating 100% of the time?
EDIT: also whether somer is trustworthy or not is only one of the many issues players have about this idea. |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
344
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:38:00 -
[183] - Quote
Abernie wrote:That Seems Legit wrote:It makes perfect sense for ccp to hand these out to a player driven enterprise. You whiners are forgetting how much of eve is player driven.
How many of you nerds would be whining if ccp gave these ships to YOU to hand out after you'd shown yourself to be trustworthy? How has SOMER shown that they are trustworthy? By not cheating 100% of the time? How has it been proven that SOMER is cheating?
Oh wait, another reason to have a juicy QQ. Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
712
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:39:00 -
[184] - Quote
That Seems Legit wrote:It makes perfect sense for ccp to hand these out to a player driven enterprise. You whiners are forgetting how much of eve is player driven.
How many of you nerds would be whining if ccp gave these ships to YOU to hand out after you'd shown yourself to be trustworthy?
I would get every single one of them CONCORDOKKEN to make sure no new history is created with those ship copies.
They will affectively NOT attain thier stated goal from the dev post because there is no way in hell the player base will consider 6 collectible ships worth too damn much to ever be undocked "gameplay content". |
Turoc Acnor
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:42:00 -
[185] - Quote
Jesus CCP if you want to hand out an amazing prize give people concord ships. This is a signature. |
Phoenus
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
105
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:42:00 -
[186] - Quote
This is a ridiculously stupid idea. If you want to give out unique ships, make new unique ships.
If you must give out rare and limited ships, don't be stupid enough to give them out via a lottery. People hated the T2 Lottery, I thought you'd finally learnt from that, and now not only do you repeat your mistakes, but you do it in a way that let's a third party fansite earn billions/trillions more ISK? |
Ammzi
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1493
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:45:00 -
[187] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/1NykPyX.png
The irony ******* hurts. Dat monoclegate. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Arcueid Saber
Legio XCIX CA
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:48:00 -
[188] - Quote
This is bad idea. You devalue the price of old tournament prize. Who will believe you in the future when you say the prize will be unique and rare?
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1079
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:50:00 -
[189] - Quote
I'm surprised you people are surprised. It's that special time of the year again where CCP goes 'whooptiedaisy' and slips out over a banana they put down there them selves and keeps sliding down the room flat on their face.
- It's the same as with the ghost training debacle: it was a bug vs. it was a documented feature. - Chribba's high sec titan being moved by a GM to low sec, 'yes we had rules but forgot to write them down'. - Pixels worth 60 bucks. - Greed is good vs. 'no, nothing is going to change we'll have no golden ammo'. - Stay the course. - Asking players to vote for eve as best game right after a devblog states that the next 18 month's nothing will be done to fix eve's lingering issues. - $1000 pants - Titans you could target paint (ccp nozh) - Ships appearing out of thin air in the nex $tore, 'it currently cannot process any blue prints we're working on it and it's only a test'. - Just 99.- dollar will it cost you to develop 3d party EVE apps (a year of course).
And the list goes on and on.
Why the surprise? Its a recurring event!
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Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
350
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:50:00 -
[190] - Quote
Arcueid Saber wrote:This is bad idea. You devalue the price of old tournament prize. Who will believe you in the future when you say the prize will be unique and rare?
Because 4 more are released?
Cool story bro. Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1773
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:55:00 -
[191] - Quote
Phoenus wrote:This is a ridiculously stupid idea. If you want to give out unique ships, make new unique ships.
If you must give out rare and limited ships, don't be stupid enough to give them out via a lottery. People hated the T2 Lottery, I thought you'd finally learnt from that, and now not only do you repeat your mistakes, but you do it in a way that let's a third party fansite earn billions/trillions more ISK?
Absolutely true. CCP could have easily approached this with the issuance of a reskinned version of the existing ships. Scorpion Ishukone Watch was a good example. These newly minted ships had solid trading value in excess of 15B which were issued about a half year ago.
Just merely a half year away, CCP decided to spit on the faces of the current owners of these unique ships by promulgating more of these ships into the market. I also remember a CCP response where someone asked the likelihood of Ishukone Scorpion Watch from being handed out again in the future, where CCP gave an adamant "no" for the answer.
Seriously, just 6 months away...
I do not have vested interest in Ishukone Scorpion Watch, but CCP reissuing these unique ships are completely against their existing and stated policies.
Here is another quote from CCP Goliath:
"Seriously, we won't be bringing back the old unique ships for events. We might give other stuff away that is interesting, but no Guardian Vexor, Opux Luxury Yacht, Fedthron, Impoc, SIR, etc, etc."
CCP, seriously, is Marketing Department dictating all your moves now? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4679
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:57:00 -
[192] - Quote
Aesheera wrote:Arcueid Saber wrote:This is bad idea. You devalue the price of old tournament prize. Who will believe you in the future when you say the prize will be unique and rare?
Because 4 more are released? Cool story bro. In the case of the Gold Magnate there are no more left in game, so what exactly is the value of a non-existent ship? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
186
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:58:00 -
[193] - Quote
Aesheera wrote:Arcueid Saber wrote:This is bad idea. You devalue the price of old tournament prize. Who will believe you in the future when you say the prize will be unique and rare?
Because 4 more are released? Cool story bro.
Maybe you are just a bit slow, so let me try to explain. 4 ships are not creating anything content wise, that is true. And this is actually the problem. The only purpose is to make Somer a crapton of (additional) ISK and devalue the original unique ships. As a side effect you can trash the history connected to them because, well, it's not relevant anymore.
/edit: If Somer want to make lotteries with those ships they should buy them in the game, but this is total and utter favoritism. |
That Seems Legit
State War Academy Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:58:00 -
[194] - Quote
Abernie wrote:That Seems Legit wrote:It makes perfect sense for ccp to hand these out to a player driven enterprise. You whiners are forgetting how much of eve is player driven.
How many of you nerds would be whining if ccp gave these ships to YOU to hand out after you'd shown yourself to be trustworthy? How has somer shown that they are trustworthy? By not cheating 100% of the time? EDIT: also whether somer is trustworthy or not is only one of the many issues players have about this idea. Uh, yeah. Never cheating (despite many chances to) during years of operating is pretty much the definition of trustworthy.
To your edit, yes, i understand eve players are whining about more then one thing. What a shocker. Damns - you're ugly - and that's a compliment from me. -Large Collidable Object Seeking donations for facial reconstructive surgery, every little bit helps! |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1326
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:59:00 -
[195] - Quote
That Seems Legit wrote:It makes perfect sense for ccp to hand these out to a player driven enterprise. You whiners are forgetting how much of eve is player driven.
How many of you nerds would be whining if ccp gave these ships to YOU to hand out after you'd shown yourself to be trustworthy?
I would not 'whine' if CCP gave the ships to me, but I would consider it to be manifestly unfair.
Also I am trustworthy, a fault when playing Eve I know, but there it is. This is not a signature. |
Thomas Hurt
Yan Jung Clique
132
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:59:00 -
[196] - Quote
Wow... http://i.imgur.com/MmQAqIE.png |
Tubrug1
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
265
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:59:00 -
[197] - Quote
Just wanted to say lol @ SOMER's fanboy brigade. Writer of The Eve Onion http://eveion.blogspot.co.uk/
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
14042
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:59:00 -
[198] - Quote
Oh great, another example of CCP going back on their word. Next years d+¬b+ócle may well be the return of "greed is good" and $1000 pants (on heads). I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Abernie
Massively Incompetent
27
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:01:00 -
[199] - Quote
That Seems Legit wrote:Abernie wrote:That Seems Legit wrote:It makes perfect sense for ccp to hand these out to a player driven enterprise. You whiners are forgetting how much of eve is player driven.
How many of you nerds would be whining if ccp gave these ships to YOU to hand out after you'd shown yourself to be trustworthy? How has somer shown that they are trustworthy? By not cheating 100% of the time? EDIT: also whether somer is trustworthy or not is only one of the many issues players have about this idea. Uh, yeah. Never cheating (despite many chances to) during years of operating is pretty much the definition of trustworthy. I assume you have solid proof of this claim? |
captain foivos
State War Academy Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:01:00 -
[200] - Quote
Can someone with a CCP nametag please explain to me why Somer Blink was selected to hold a lottery and be given what is, essentially, at least a trillion free ISK plus countless USD from additional sales of GTCs through their game site due to increased player traffic from this event?
Because if there's one thing this game doesn't need, it's CCP handing players more free and undeserved money. |
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Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
9
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:02:00 -
[201] - Quote
@ That seems legit
YOUR FACE!!! WWWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA |
Dolph Carebear
Adohivatal
36
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:06:00 -
[202] - Quote
I just logged in to say this:
Screw Somer Blink, and especially screw CCP's favoritism towards them. |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
352
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:08:00 -
[203] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote: Maybe you are just a bit slow, so let me try to explain. 4 ships are not creating anything content wise, that is true. And this is actually the problem. The only purpose is to make Somer a crapton of (additional) ISK and devalue the original unique ships. As a side effect you can trash the history connected to them because, well, it's not relevant anymore.
/edit: If Somer want to make lotteries with those ships they should buy them in the game, but this is total and utter favoritism.
Maybe you are just a bit daft, so let me wake you up. 4 ships are hardly affecting anything related to the history of these unique ships. 20 + 4 ingame equals rare still. So what if 4 more are released? Devalued? Get serious.
General discussion seems to be a cesspool of QQ and complaints rather than a 'general discussion' nowadays. Everybody jumps each other cry-bandwagon and the random justification attempts to support these whines is, however creative at times, the ONLY thing that's affecting the game.
Not 4 ships being granted to some lottery.
Grow up. Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3594
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:09:00 -
[204] - Quote
/adjusts tinfoil.
Maybe this is just a clever way to move attention away from how crappy the winter expansion is going to be.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1777
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 15:10:00 -
[205] - Quote
Aesheera wrote:Ra Jackson wrote: Maybe you are just a bit slow, so let me try to explain. 4 ships are not creating anything content wise, that is true. And this is actually the problem. The only purpose is to make Somer a crapton of (additional) ISK and devalue the original unique ships. As a side effect you can trash the history connected to them because, well, it's not relevant anymore.
/edit: If Somer want to make lotteries with those ships they should buy them in the game, but this is total and utter favoritism.
Maybe you are just a bit daft, so let me wake you up. 4 ships are hardly affecting anything related to the history of these unique ships. 20 + 4 ingame equals rare still. So what if 4 more are released? Devalued? Get serious. General discussion seems to be a cesspool of QQ and complaints rather than a 'general discussion' nowadays. Everybody jumps each other cry-bandwagon and the random justification attempts to support these whines is, however creative at times, the ONLY thing that's affecting the game. Not 4 ships being granted to some lottery. Grow up.
Are you being completely blind? Once this happens, it is most certain that MORE UNIQUE SHIPS will be flooded in the market. |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:11:00 -
[206] - Quote
It seems the lesson CCP took away from the whole T20 debacle was it's fine to blatantly favor certain groups and spawn your friends fantastic free stuff long as you make a blog post about it. |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
267
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 15:12:00 -
[207] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:/adjusts tinfoil.
Maybe this is just a clever way to move attention away from how crappy the winter expansion is going to be.
What? So if we're all really wound up by this unbelievably stupid idea they think we won't notice any other stupid things they announce?
Yeah, it could work, sounds legit |
Bo Red
Fresh Clean Scent Heavy Industries
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:14:00 -
[208] - Quote
I really don't care about this at all. |
captain foivos
State War Academy Caldari State
164
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 15:14:00 -
[209] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:It seems the lesson CCP took away from the whole T20 debacle was it's fine to blatantly favor certain groups and spawn your friends fantastic free stuff long as you make a blog post about it.
"Maybe if we announce it officially this time, people won't be so mad!" --CCP 2013 |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:14:00 -
[210] - Quote
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Doc Fury wrote:/adjusts tinfoil.
Maybe this is just a clever way to move attention away from how crappy the winter expansion is going to be.
What? So if we're all really wound up by this unbelievably stupid idea they think we won't notice any other stupid things they announce? Yeah, it could work, sounds legit
Sensing a boring PI-centered expansion with a module (rapid hml) and marauder overpower sharkjump. |
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
337
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 15:15:00 -
[211] - Quote
If CCP was so desperate to hand these unique ships out again, then instead of going through a third party source, why not give each active pilot one ticket per year of subscription time and have a random lottery that way? Thus a player that has been loyal for ten years would have ten tickets. And what stories would an one year old "newbie" have when he or she suddenly inherits from his passing uncle three times over a ship people would kill for?
Just a thought. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3594
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 15:15:00 -
[212] - Quote
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Doc Fury wrote:/adjusts tinfoil.
Maybe this is just a clever way to move attention away from how crappy the winter expansion is going to be.
What? So if we're all really wound up by this unbelievably stupid idea they think we won't notice any other stupid things they announce? Yeah, it could work, sounds legit
Difficulty: CCP
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Dalziel Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:16:00 -
[213] - Quote
-1 eve account. Good job CCP. |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
134
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:19:00 -
[214] - Quote
Oh grow up people.
There's 4 of those ships reintroduced. Total. +4 Ishukone Scorps on giveaway as well.
And Blink is actually making it a Blast draw - tickets are gained just by playing the lottery. They will be won by some lucky guy who may keep them forever in the hangar. He may sell them to rich collectors to set himself up for a good chunk of his life. He may be a mutton and get scammed out of one.
Maybe we'll see a ~spacefamous~ elite solo pvp figure take out a Guardian Vexor out for a spin. Maybe its demise will see the headlines, like the destruction of Garmon's Adrastia.
Will there be more? Considering the violent backlash CCP is receiving now, I doubt it - but it's not necessarily a bad step on their behalf. They're adding something unique, ships eight people out of thousands will take home. Considering many newer players may have never heard of the Golden Magnate destroyed by m0o or seen a Guardian-Vexor, I don't mind their brief reappearance. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet? |
semieren Outamon
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:20:00 -
[215] - Quote
captain foivos wrote:Can someone with a CCP nametag please explain to me why Somer Blink was selected to hold a lottery and be given what is, essentially, at least a trillion free ISK plus countless USD from additional sales of GTCs through their game site due to increased player traffic from this event?
Because if there's one thing this game doesn't need, it's CCP handing players more free and undeserved money.
Because CCP knows the real size of Somer blink's wallet. This addition of 4+ T ISK in ships is peanuts compared to what they already own and perhaps the fleet of 100+ tournament ships purchased via alts. |
Rainbow Dash
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:22:00 -
[216] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Aesheera wrote:Ra Jackson wrote: Maybe you are just a bit slow, so let me try to explain. 4 ships are not creating anything content wise, that is true. And this is actually the problem. The only purpose is to make Somer a crapton of (additional) ISK and devalue the original unique ships. As a side effect you can trash the history connected to them because, well, it's not relevant anymore.
/edit: If Somer want to make lotteries with those ships they should buy them in the game, but this is total and utter favoritism.
Maybe you are just a bit daft, so let me wake you up. 4 ships are hardly affecting anything related to the history of these unique ships. 20 + 4 ingame equals rare still. So what if 4 more are released? Devalued? Get serious. General discussion seems to be a cesspool of QQ and complaints rather than a 'general discussion' nowadays. Everybody jumps each other cry-bandwagon and the random justification attempts to support these whines is, however creative at times, the ONLY thing that's affecting the game. Not 4 ships being granted to some lottery. Grow up. Are you being completely blind? Once this happens, it is most certain that MORE UNIQUE SHIPS will be flooded in the market.
They pretty much stated AT ships would be re-released, just not "through a lottery system" |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4679
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:28:00 -
[217] - Quote
Rainbow Dash wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Aesheera wrote:Ra Jackson wrote: Maybe you are just a bit slow, so let me try to explain. 4 ships are not creating anything content wise, that is true. And this is actually the problem. The only purpose is to make Somer a crapton of (additional) ISK and devalue the original unique ships. As a side effect you can trash the history connected to them because, well, it's not relevant anymore.
/edit: If Somer want to make lotteries with those ships they should buy them in the game, but this is total and utter favoritism.
Maybe you are just a bit daft, so let me wake you up. 4 ships are hardly affecting anything related to the history of these unique ships. 20 + 4 ingame equals rare still. So what if 4 more are released? Devalued? Get serious. General discussion seems to be a cesspool of QQ and complaints rather than a 'general discussion' nowadays. Everybody jumps each other cry-bandwagon and the random justification attempts to support these whines is, however creative at times, the ONLY thing that's affecting the game. Not 4 ships being granted to some lottery. Grow up. Are you being completely blind? Once this happens, it is most certain that MORE UNIQUE SHIPS will be flooded in the market. They pretty much stated AT ships would be re-released, just not "through a lottery system" Also **** you CCP, if I would have known this was happening I wouldn't have resubbed for a year. At least you won't get money for any of my other accounts. Actually, as far as tournament ships go, this is what they said.
Quote:LetGÇÖs look at some of the other ships. Tournament ships will not be handed out in this fashion ever. These ships require full alliances to work hard over a long period of time so handing them out for free would absolutely cheapen the achievements of teams like Verge of Collapse, HYDRA RELOADED and Pandemic Legion and this is not what we are aiming for.
The Gold Magnate no longer exists in game, so nothing is being devalued.
The Guardian-Vexor, to my knowledge, was never billed as a limited edition never to be released again ship when it was created. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries Exiliar Syndicate
128
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:29:00 -
[218] - Quote
I dont like this. I mean, can we expect Raven state issues and Tempest tribal issues given away this year as well? Pff |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
330
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 15:29:00 -
[219] - Quote
Aesheera wrote:Ra Jackson wrote: Maybe you are just a bit slow, so let me try to explain. 4 ships are not creating anything content wise, that is true. And this is actually the problem. The only purpose is to make Somer a crapton of (additional) ISK and devalue the original unique ships. As a side effect you can trash the history connected to them because, well, it's not relevant anymore.
/edit: If Somer want to make lotteries with those ships they should buy them in the game, but this is total and utter favoritism.
Maybe you are just a bit daft, so let me wake you up. 4 ships are hardly affecting anything related to the history of these unique ships. 20 + 4 ingame equals rare still. So what if 4 more are released? Devalued? Get serious. General discussion seems to be a cesspool of QQ and complaints rather than a 'general discussion' nowadays. Everybody jumps each other cry-bandwagon and the random justification attempts to support these whines is, however creative at times, the ONLY thing that's affecting the game. Not 4 ships being granted to some lottery. Grow up.
Is not the 4 ships granted to some lottery, it's the way it is being given to a group of Eve players who will benifit massively from it, what if CCP produced something from thin air and handed them over to the CFC ? which, love them or hate them have done a lot more for EVE than somer and his blink has, if they want to give away rare items they should buy them with isk and then run a lottery.
CCP should never be seen as favouring one group of players over another. |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
162
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:30:00 -
[220] - Quote
I see nothing wrong with repurposing things that no longer exist in the game. I don't think the fact that a ship is reintroduced destroys or devalues that there was one guy who used to be the only owner and he lost it. |
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
330
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:31:00 -
[221] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:[ The Gold Magnate no longer exists in game, so nothing is being devalued.
I'd disagree with that, the story of it has been devalued greatly and to a lot that matters and not in a RP way. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1777
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:32:00 -
[222] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
They pretty much stated AT ships would be re-released, just not "through a lottery system"
Also **** you CCP, if I would have known this was happening I wouldn't have resubbed for a year. At least you won't get money for any of my other accounts.
Actually, as far as tournament ships go, this is what they said.
Quote:LetGÇÖs look at some of the other ships. Tournament ships will not be handed out in this fashion ever. These ships require full alliances to work hard over a long period of time so handing them out for free would absolutely cheapen the achievements of teams like Verge of Collapse, HYDRA RELOADED and Pandemic Legion and this is not what we are aiming for.
The Gold Magnate no longer exists in game, so nothing is being devalued.
The Guardian-Vexor, to my knowledge, was never billed as a limited edition never to be released again ship when it was created.[/quote]
You do realize that GV was issued as part of a "tournament?" Know your history first. |
Cursan Voran
Jita Traders Society
18
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:33:00 -
[223] - Quote
:CCP:
Why do you always **** things up?
Every time EVE seems to be going ok you pull a **** move and get players hating you again. Why? Why? Why do you do this? |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1126
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 15:34:00 -
[224] - Quote
Cursan Voran wrote::CCP:
Why do you always **** things up?
Every time EVE seems to be going ok you pull a **** move and get players hating you again. Why? Why? Why do you do this?
Hubris Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Representing Goonswarm Federation, Goonwaffe, CFC Finance, Greater Economic Co-Prosperity Sphere, CFC Rental Program, Burn Jita, CFC Supply, and who knows what else.-á Vile Rat: You'e the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Rainbow Dash
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:35:00 -
[225] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Rainbow Dash wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:
Are you being completely blind? Once this happens, it is most certain that MORE UNIQUE SHIPS will be flooded in the market.
They pretty much stated AT ships would be re-released, just not "through a lottery system" Also **** you CCP, if I would have known this was happening I wouldn't have resubbed for a year. At least you won't get money for any of my other accounts. Actually, as far as tournament ships go, this is what they said. Quote:LetGÇÖs look at some of the other ships. Tournament ships will not be handed out in this fashion ever. These ships require full alliances to work hard over a long period of time so handing them out for free would absolutely cheapen the achievements of teams like Verge of Collapse, HYDRA RELOADED and Pandemic Legion and this is not what we are aiming for. The Gold Magnate no longer exists in game, so nothing is being devalued. The Guardian-Vexor, to my knowledge, was never billed as a limited edition never to be released again ship when it was created.
CCP said in May they would never re-release the GV. Ignoring that, they pretty specifically say in that statement that tournament ships will not be re-released through a similar event, implying that they will re-release them. I petitioned it, and since we're not allowed to post petitions here, let's just say CCP said something along the lines of "there is no guarantee, nor has there ever been, that we will not reintroduce these ships as rewards for other activities"
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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
118
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:38:00 -
[226] - Quote
As a person who uses the Eve economy, I trade mainly in high value collectables such as ships.
I have owned and traded a G-vex owned and traded a few torny ships and currently trading IWS
To just give them away really screws with your own ingame economy, surely the economist chap has put these concerns over?
CCP you are devaluing things people have worked hard to acquire, and people are working towards as a "goal" and people are trading, I have played this game for almost 10 years, stop giving us a sandbox to play with then messing with our sandcastles.
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iskflakes
690
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:38:00 -
[227] - Quote
This is very bad. Very bad.
Why give Somer the free billions?
Why re-release rare ships that some people paid a fortune for? - |
Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
10
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:40:00 -
[228] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:This is very bad. Very bad.
Why give Somer the free billions?
Why re-release rare ships that some people paid a fortune for?
Good question? a dev online? |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1327
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 15:40:00 -
[229] - Quote
Just a thought, did the CSM know about, and support or challenge CCP when it was suggested that free ships be given/gifted to a player corp? This is not a signature. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1778
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 15:41:00 -
[230] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:This is very bad. Very bad.
Why give Somer the free billions?
Why re-release rare ships that some people paid a fortune for?
Not just that, with the re-release of these rare unique ships, it is devaluing the pre-existing collectors' networth. This handout of rare ships is only the beginning of full promulgation of unique ships in the future. |
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
20
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:43:00 -
[231] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Just a thought, did the CSM know about, and support or challenge CCP when it was suggested that free ships be given/gifted to a player corp?
I wonder, that not even Malcanics was here, to write one of his famous one-liners. But if I read correctly @Jesters Trek, there is a CSM-Stakeholders-Meeting today. Maybe they can bring it up there. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1126
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:44:00 -
[232] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Just a thought, did the CSM know about, and support or challenge CCP when it was suggested that free ships be given/gifted to a player corp?
No. The CSM was not consulted.
Trebors Statement
This is pretty much always the case when something explodes in drama. CCP makes a decision that most any player would say is a bad idea. They will then circle the wagons a bit and wonder why there is so much rage. I believe their intentions were probably good and pure with this move. The issue is it is such a horrible decision to hand out favoritism to player groups that it can never work out. If CCP wants to do something like this, they should run the lotto and do it with new ship types. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Representing Goonswarm Federation, Goonwaffe, CFC Finance, Greater Economic Co-Prosperity Sphere, CFC Rental Program, Burn Jita, CFC Supply, and who knows what else.-á Vile Rat: You'e the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3483
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:44:00 -
[233] - Quote
Is this actually happening for real?
Giving Guardian Vexors to Blink?
ffs this is outrageously terrible, CCP cancel this bullshit
. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
295
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:48:00 -
[234] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Just a thought, did the CSM know about, and support or challenge CCP when it was suggested that free ships be given/gifted to a player corp?
Apparently it is as much news to them as to us and seems just as unwelcome.
Jester's Trek: Something in the air
Another classic example of the old CCP "foot in mouth and swallow hard" style of player relations. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:48:00 -
[235] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Just a thought, did the CSM know about, and support or challenge CCP when it was suggested that free ships be given/gifted to a player corp? Nope |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1975
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:49:00 -
[236] - Quote
Please, SOMER, steal the ships. SOMER scamming CCP will be the most infamous theft of all time. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
254
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:49:00 -
[237] - Quote
So Somer is now CCP-endorsed? Is CCP in control of the method by which their lotteries are conducted? If not, how will they ensure that the lottery isn't subverted? If the answer is "they can't," this is quite possibly the stupidest idea they've ever had. It is deeply troubling that CCP would ever get involved with any lottery service in EVE. There is simply no way to differentiate a legitimate lottery service from a scam unless you control it.
I also wasn't aware that CCP was in the habit of distributing huge windfalls to private organizations. Where is my Black Frog Edition Rhea for founding Black Frog (the best stats taken from all 4 racial JFs, with total black skin and red lights).?
Srsly, WTF!? Bokononist
-á |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:49:00 -
[238] - Quote
Roime wrote:Is this actually happening for real?
Giving Guardian Vexors to Blink?
ffs this is outrageously terrible, CCP cancel this bullshit
Guardian-Vexors, Golden Magnates and Ishukone Scorpions, yes. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1331
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:51:00 -
[239] - Quote
Nice to see CCP and the CSM working as a close knit team for the good of the game. This is not a signature. |
Allianc
Novatech Armada Against ALL Authorities
9
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:51:00 -
[240] - Quote
Have we forgotten T20 so soon CCP?
Those ships are done, let them stay done. |
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
407
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:53:00 -
[241] - Quote
Inevitably, these types of things are sure to make someones friend very happy. |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
118
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:02:00 -
[242] - Quote
Why not plan and organise a big and interesting lore event and introduce a few NEW unique ships into the game?
Ah right... effort. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
329
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:07:00 -
[243] - Quote
Don't be stupid, you will have shiny ships to shoot at. PROFIT. Protect yourself from CONCORD today! Tinfoil hats, quality product. Styled after pirate hats. |
Phantra
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
59
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:07:00 -
[244] - Quote
"well they might rip us off but y'know.. if that does happen.. lesson learned LOL"
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that if you ever give me the opportunity to raffle off a gold magnate or a guardian vexor.. I'll just keep it.
Incredible.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8862
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:10:00 -
[245] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:This is very bad. Very bad.
Why give Somer the free billions?
Understatement of the year. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8863
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:17:00 -
[246] - Quote
Basically the three groups that will benefit the most from this arrangement are Somer, who will rake in more piles of ISK from people playing his lotteries to rack up tickets for the Blast, along with kickbacks from Markee Dragon from the GTC sales to people topping up their Blink credits and obviously CCP and Markee Dragon.
I guess you can count the people who will have a Guardian Vexor or Gold Magnate gathering dust in a hangar as well. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
132
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:19:00 -
[247] - Quote
Andrev Nox wrote:The original plan was for the CCP donated prizes to be a Bonk, and to roll the Bonk earnings straight back into the Eve Vegas sponsorship (detailed here: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/eve-vegas-2013-1/ ) But we wanted to give folks a chance at these hulls that didn't want to spend any ISK on our site too, so we moved the tickets to "any play" and are rolling any residual profit from this event back to the Vegas event sponsorship. Speaking of - make sure you seek me out while you're there if you get some free time. I'll be handing out said prizes all weekend :)
But we wanted to give folks a chance at these hulls that didn't want to spend any ISK on our site too (epic) The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:22:00 -
[248] - Quote
I'll be shooting the Jita monument with my Gvex in protest.
(not really) |
Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
11
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:24:00 -
[249] - Quote
****, I'll come with my Chremoas!! (not really) |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
328
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:24:00 -
[250] - Quote
Somer Blink is a scam. Its a scam not because there is proof of a scam. Its a scam because you can't prove its not. In the same way every single online poker site is a scam. It can be scammed, you can't prove its not being scammed, so it is a scam.
Crazy that CCP would affiliate themselves with an in-game player corp like this. But I was surprised they did so with The Angel Project as well. CCP could have done any number of things to hold an event like this, but instead chose to enrich one player corp over the rest of New Eden. Like a lot of people, I'd like to know what I need to do to have CCP shower the love on Bad Touches. We're a small dynamic corp, with awesome growth potential and could really use a few trillion isk to make our dreams of making all of hisec code-compliant. CCP, help a brother out why don't you? This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
154
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:25:00 -
[251] - Quote
So, so stupid. I don't want the devs 1) compelling me to participate in some corp's lottery system to 2) have a chance at a ship that shouldn't even be being released. Two instances of being ******** does not make something non-********.
Stop it, CCP. Just stop it. I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Marlene Dakenek
Devid Ventures
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:25:00 -
[252] - Quote
Whoever makes these decisions has obviously never played this game before. Unique ships should remain unique. |
Alara IonStorm
5364
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:25:00 -
[253] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:In the case of the Gold Magnate there are no more left in game, so what exactly is the value of a non-existent ship? I am disappointed in you Ranger 1. For someone whom loves EVE as much as you do I figured you would be displeased at this in particular.
The Gold Magnate is one of the best stories in EVE, that there once was a gold ship so valuable that they only made one just for it to be destroyed in a regular gate camp. It is something to want but never again own or grace our space again and one of the best pieces of EVE history, one that captivated me more then any other "special ship". Now it is being trounced out for a simple lottery...
The Gold Magnate had its time in the sun, if there was but 1 ship for CCP to let it be it is this one. Let the story of the Gold Magnate remain and EVE legend forever, not with an *Also release in random lottery. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1979
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:26:00 -
[254] - Quote
I'd just like to point out to CCP now I've always been willing to enrich the game and if they want me to hand them out instead I'm good with that Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
12
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:27:00 -
[255] - Quote
Marlene Dakenek wrote:Whoever makes these decisions has obviously never played this game before. Unique ships should remain unique.
The new EA dude |
Soulpirate
Interstellar Booty Hunters
293
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:33:00 -
[256] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Marlene Dakenek wrote:Whoever makes these decisions has obviously never played this game before. Unique ships should remain unique. The new EA dude
Like he said.
Deal with it. |
Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
402
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:39:00 -
[257] - Quote
Reintroducing old, rare ships is a bad idea.
Officially endorsing a player organization in this manner and performing the reintroduction through them is a TERRIBLE idea.
Please don't do this. |
Jane Schereau
37
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:42:00 -
[258] - Quote
I've nothing to add, other than my support for the community's displeasure with CCP over this. The fact is somer is being given these out for free is disturbing. Why them, even when you admit you won't have control over who they give them out to? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4679
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:42:00 -
[259] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
The Guardian-Vexor, to my knowledge, was never billed as a limited edition never to be released again ship when it was created.
You do realize that GV was issued as part of a "tournament?" Know your history first. Also, CCP Dev said Ishukone Scorpion Watch will not be issued as part of other events during the charity event. Perhaps I am not remembering correctly, but I don't think they were rewards in the Alliance Tournament (and promoted as only being issued as a prize for that tournament).
I have it in my head that the "tournament" in question was more of a competition... hauling O2 or some such commodity.... and that several 5 run BPC's were the prize.
If I'm remembering correctly that's a whole different kettle of fish than an unique, limited run alliance tournament prize ship. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jip McLovin
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:43:00 -
[260] - Quote
Part of what makes eve great is the feeling of permanence that it has. If you lose a hull, it's gone forever. That applies to legacy items too. Being what being are makes them part of how eve came to be what it is today. Please don't change that. We've spent years building/living/writing our games narrative, so please don't belittle part of that by ret-conning more gold magnates into existence.
That's applies to the guardian vexors as well. That situation has the added impact of people still owning some of them. Let them continue to have their trophy they worked to get. Through is or effort, they earned them. Adding more will only diminish their accomplishments.
As for some blink; I feel it is inappropriate to use a third party as part of your distribution strategy for any new thing. It has the risk of showing favoritism and could very well leave a horribly bad taste in peoples mouths that goes off anything but perfectly. Sparking a summer of rage with T20 version 2.0 is probably not ideal.
I completely understand why you want to create buzz around new things, but do it yourself. Have an in game auction (silent or otherwise) to spread them.
Tl;dr Do not destroy the more we've help create with adding more gold magnates or guardian vexors. I strongly recommend against using third parties to distribute new things. |
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
389
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:45:00 -
[261] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Marlene Dakenek wrote:Whoever makes these decisions has obviously never played this game before. Unique ships should remain unique. The new EA dude
INB4 Eve Online - Origin Exclusive. Capital Shop temporarily closed. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1981
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:48:00 -
[262] - Quote
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Marlene Dakenek wrote:Whoever makes these decisions has obviously never played this game before. Unique ships should remain unique. The new EA dude INB4 Eve Online - Origin Exclusive.
"Subscribe through Origin and receive the brand new Ishukone Nyx, now with 300% more gold hull texture!" Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2395
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:48:00 -
[263] - Quote
It seems like a really really bad idea. I love unique content and why is because it is unique!! Make new unique stuff, don't mess up stuff already there. Didn't you watch the "Incredibles" CCP, "if everyone is super then no one is!!"
Also CCP, giving a player corp a free isk machine is beyond a bad idea, at least make it look like you had to earn your isk machine like the moons!
Sad sad sad CCP. But if you are committed to free isks for corps, I'd like to point out Tada O is a very old and trusted corp in Eve, please just deposit our free rare swag in our museum hangar in Olo and I'll personally make sure it goes to the most worthy players in Eve at my earliest convenience!
Issler |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4679
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:51:00 -
[264] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:In the case of the Gold Magnate there are no more left in game, so what exactly is the value of a non-existent ship? I am disappointed in you Ranger 1. For someone whom loves EVE as much as you do I figured you would be displeased at this in particular. The Gold Magnate is one of the best stories in EVE, that there once was a gold ship so valuable that they only made one just for it to be destroyed in a regular gate camp. It is something to want but never again own or grace our space again and one of the best pieces of EVE history, one that captivated me more then any other "special ship". Now it is being trounced out for a simple lottery... The Gold Magnate had its time in the sun, if there was but 1 ship for CCP to let it be it is this one. Let the story of the Gold Magnate remain a great EVE legend forever, not with an *Also release in random lottery. Don't get me wrong, I do believe that if a ship is specifically announced to be a "one time only, limited run" then CCP needs to stick to that. I don't like players finding hard won treasures devalued. This is not to be confused with a "special edition", which they are technically within their rights to produce again at a later date.
But restricting it simply for the sake of LORE... no, no necessarily a fan of that. Lore continually grows and changes, and I've always been fond of the "It was thought there was only 1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever... but another has been found gathering DUST in a hidden hanger owned by the original designer" type of story line.
I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jaangel
Cloak and Badgers
29
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:53:00 -
[265] - Quote
Sonmer blink being given anything is offensive but giving him something like a gold magnate really takes the biscuit.
He is the biggest cruck in eve and should be banned not given more publicity
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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1981
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:54:00 -
[266] - Quote
[quote=Ranger 1I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.[/quote]
No, this is for "community engagement". All blink ISK goes to SOMER, all items go to the players. They could just rip off CCP and CCP could do absolutely nothing. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Phoenus
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
108
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:54:00 -
[267] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Hehe, how fitting that I should read this after posting about favouritism in a different thread. My personal take on it is this (note, this is not something we have discussed within the team): Events should be their own reward, but there are certain events that render a large impact on people and for these I do think there should be some kind of memento. An Imperial Apoc is NOT a mememto Seriously, we won't be bringing back the old unique ships for events. We might give other stuff away that is interesting, but no Guardian Vexor, Opux Luxury Yacht, Fedthron, Impoc, SIR, etc, etc.
No ingame ships for events, but giving away ships for lotteries to earn ISK for a third party to CCP is apparently fine |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
713
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:55:00 -
[268] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.
And since it will not be possible to know how much isk was normal blink operation and how much was just because of that auction, then somer can basicly give any amount of money and noone will ever be able to prove they didn't give all they should.
:CCP: |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4679
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:01:00 -
[269] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.
And since it will not be possible to know how much isk was normal blink operation and how much was just because of that auction, then somer can basicly give any amount of money and noone will ever be able to prove they didn't give all they should. :CCP: Oh, I think CCP will have a pretty good idea.
Sure, they could keep it all... and destroy their credibility with CCP and with the community in an incredibly high profile way. They would be literally chucking away their lucrative long term income stream for a (comparatively) tiny amount of ISK.
Granted, they would have a certain notoriety afterwards which might appeal to some, but I have a hard time believing they would be so INCREDIBLY STUPID as to do what people are suggesting.
Really, think about it folks. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Alara IonStorm
5365
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:03:00 -
[270] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: But restricting it simply for the sake of LORE... no, no necessarily a fan of that. Lore continually grows and changes, and I've always been fond of the "It was thought there was only 1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever... but another has been found gathering DUST in a hidden hanger owned by the original designer" type of story line.
What kind of story for this ship is random lottery. All it does is make it lose its legend, that is all. It immediately drops from the most unique ship to just another prize.
They can repaint any new hull or they can give away something else but this, this kills the legend and gains nothing in return. CCP can and should do better than this. They should work to improve EVE History because that is what sets this game apart, one server, one history.
You summed up the new place of the Gold Magnate in EVE history perfectly.
Ranger 1 wrote:1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever Whatever indeed. |
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Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:06:00 -
[271] - Quote
Worst idea all year.
Heritage. Rare/ extinct ships should not be thrown out willy nilly, in fact they shouldn't be recreated at all. Once CCP destroys the player built history of the ships they cannot reclaim it. I remember reading about the imperial apocs and that guy who lost it in the AT and started a war over it. You cannot make this stuff up, but you can devalue it. What is gonna happen with these new golden magnates/ guardian vexors? They will be moth balled in high sec and never undocked. GG CCP, GG.
Somer blink. Somer is rich enough to buy their own prizes, they don't need CCPs help and already have a community spotlight. Content created: zero. If CCP feels such a need to trash the history of the ships then they should at least do it in a content creating way. Have a RP storyline, give one to the tuskers for a frig FFA/ death race prize, have an exploration contest to find a 'lost golden magnate'.Anything else would be more fun and have the 'i was there' factor, but somer blink, aka. person with lots of isk wins? What a joke.
Oh and that dev post CCP? So bad. I have been playing for just over a year and i don't want to own one of these ships. I would rather they stayed dead and rare.
First time playing eve that i feel like unsubbing an account or 2. |
Cyrus Alabel
Penumbra Institute Catastrophic Uprising
50
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:07:00 -
[272] - Quote
ElQuirko wrote:IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Marlene Dakenek wrote:Whoever makes these decisions has obviously never played this game before. Unique ships should remain unique. The new EA dude INB4 Eve Online - Origin Exclusive. "Subscribe through Origin and receive the brand new Ishukone Nyx, now with 300% more gold hull texture!"
Think I may have just threw up in my mouth a bit. |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:07:00 -
[273] - Quote
Phoenus wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Hehe, how fitting that I should read this after posting about favouritism in a different thread. My personal take on it is this (note, this is not something we have discussed within the team): Events should be their own reward, but there are certain events that render a large impact on people and for these I do think there should be some kind of memento. An Imperial Apoc is NOT a mememto Seriously, we won't be bringing back the old unique ships for events. We might give other stuff away that is interesting, but no Guardian Vexor, Opux Luxury Yacht, Fedthron, Impoc, SIR, etc, etc. No ingame ships for events, but giving away ships for lotteries to earn ISK for a third party to CCP is apparently fine
Interesting to see what CCP gives as explanation, too bad they probably stay silent and hope it blows over :( Baddest poster ever |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
159
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:08:00 -
[274] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.
And since it will not be possible to know how much isk was normal blink operation and how much was just because of that auction, then somer can basicly give any amount of money and noone will ever be able to prove they didn't give all they should. :CCP: Oh, I think CCP will have a pretty good idea. Sure, they could keep it all... and destroy their credibility with CCP and with the community in an incredibly high profile way. They would be literally chucking away their lucrative long term income stream for a (comparatively) tiny amount of ISK. Granted, they would have a certain notoriety afterwards which might appeal to some, but I have a hard time believing they would be so INCREDIBLY STUPID as to do what people are suggesting. Really, think about it folks. "destroy their credibility" . . . said every AWOXer, ever.
"lucrative long term income stream" . . . said every RMTer, ever.
You don't really play EVE, do you? Not to mention the fact that SOMER undoubtedly has enough isk tsocked away o lose a supercap every day for years and still be able to PLEX as many accounts as he wants until the new millenium.
Actually, ignore all that. I am telling you, right now, that I have never stolen from a corp. Can I join yours? I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
713
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:09:00 -
[275] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.
And since it will not be possible to know how much isk was normal blink operation and how much was just because of that auction, then somer can basicly give any amount of money and noone will ever be able to prove they didn't give all they should. :CCP: Oh, I think CCP will have a pretty good idea. Sure, they could keep it all... and destroy their credibility with CCP and with the community in an incredibly high profile way. They would be literally chucking away their lucrative long term income stream for a (comparatively) tiny amount of ISK. Granted, they would have a certain notoriety afterwards which might appeal to some, but I have a hard time believing they would be so INCREDIBLY STUPID as to do what people are suggesting. Really, think about it folks.
Except they could give 50 billion ISK for EVE vegas and still turn on a ******** profit. Nobody really know what kind of income this will really generate for them so they can give any non stupid amount and call it that. Nobody can track what was invested in blinks because of this draft as opposed to the real regular operation. They don't have to burn thier rep at all. THey can just say it generated X isk so we are giving that even if in reality it generated 10 times that. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Polarized.
79
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:12:00 -
[276] - Quote
Story wise, why would the ship yards reproduce these ships?
I don't see a problem with it providing the ships are released in a limited order. |
Bryg Philomena
e X i l e The Initiative.
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:12:00 -
[277] - Quote
Not someone who often posts on the forums, but I think this is a terrible idea. Absolutely horrible.
Eve was magical in that certain people had incredibly rare ships. Adding 2 new golden magnates isn't going to really change their rarity, but its going to completely destroy the legend. I remember first hearing about the magnate and trying to think how I could get one, then realizing it was gone. Forever.
Its a harsh thing in eve, to lose something. But that is what makes Eve so unique from other games. When something is gone, its gone forever. Never to return. Now, all I can tell newbies is "Wait until some new eve event, CCP might bring it back?" Hell no! It should be that they missed their chance and that they should go for a new unique ship.
CCP, you're adding ships to the game for the Alliance tourney, those are awesome and can only be won in the tourney. I know developing a new ship takes time and effort. You have to think of balancing, designing, implementing, testing, etc. But either make something new for this event, or give out something that wasn't a one off.
And while I'm on the topic of one off ships. I want to see more of them. 50 hulls for an alliance tourney is cool, but why not an event that gives other hulls in smaller amounts? |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
24
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:16:00 -
[278] - Quote
So bad and terrible or more horrible this all is, the day isn-¦t over yet. More bad News incoming @2000 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4679
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:25:00 -
[279] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: But restricting it simply for the sake of LORE... no, no necessarily a fan of that. Lore continually grows and changes, and I've always been fond of the "It was thought there was only 1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever... but another has been found gathering DUST in a hidden hanger owned by the original designer" type of story line.
What kind of story for this ship is random lottery. All it does is make it lose its legend, that is all. It immediately drops from the most unique ship to just another prize. They can repaint any new hull or they can give away something else but this, this kills the legend and gains nothing in return. CCP can and should do better than this. They should work to improve EVE History because that is what sets this game apart, one server, one history. You summed up the new place of the Gold Magnate in EVE history perfectly. Ranger 1 wrote:1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever Whatever indeed. Fair point, they would probably have been served better to distinguish it from the original somehow... such as calling in the Golden Magnate Mark II or something along that line. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:25:00 -
[280] - Quote
Terribad idea, period. |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1779
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:26:00 -
[281] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: But restricting it simply for the sake of LORE... no, no necessarily a fan of that. Lore continually grows and changes, and I've always been fond of the "It was thought there was only 1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever... but another has been found gathering DUST in a hidden hanger owned by the original designer" type of story line.
What kind of story for this ship is random lottery. All it does is make it lose its legend, that is all. It immediately drops from the most unique ship to just another prize. They can repaint any new hull or they can give away something else but this, this kills the legend and gains nothing in return. CCP can and should do better than this. They should work to improve EVE History because that is what sets this game apart, one server, one history. You summed up the new place of the Gold Magnate in EVE history perfectly. Ranger 1 wrote:1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever Whatever indeed. Fair point, they would probably have been served better to distinguish it from the original somehow... such as calling in the Golden Magnate Mark II or something along that line.
And Guardian-Vexor Mk II.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4681
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:29:00 -
[282] - Quote
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.
And since it will not be possible to know how much isk was normal blink operation and how much was just because of that auction, then somer can basicly give any amount of money and noone will ever be able to prove they didn't give all they should. :CCP: Oh, I think CCP will have a pretty good idea. Sure, they could keep it all... and destroy their credibility with CCP and with the community in an incredibly high profile way. They would be literally chucking away their lucrative long term income stream for a (comparatively) tiny amount of ISK. Granted, they would have a certain notoriety afterwards which might appeal to some, but I have a hard time believing they would be so INCREDIBLY STUPID as to do what people are suggesting. Really, think about it folks. "destroy their credibility" . . . said every AWOXer, ever. "lucrative long term income stream" . . . said every RMTer, ever. You don't really play EVE, do you? Not to mention the fact that SOMER undoubtedly has enough isk tsocked away o lose a supercap every day for years and still be able to PLEX as many accounts as he wants until the new millenium. Actually, ignore all that. I am telling you, right now, that I have never stolen from a corp. Can I join yours? Sure, once you prove to me your credibility over the course of say a year.
I gather you really don't understand how sacrificing an incredibly lucrative income stream for a small one time gain is something only really stupid people do in game... including those with a questionable moral compass. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4681
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:32:00 -
[283] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.
And since it will not be possible to know how much isk was normal blink operation and how much was just because of that auction, then somer can basicly give any amount of money and noone will ever be able to prove they didn't give all they should. :CCP: Oh, I think CCP will have a pretty good idea. Sure, they could keep it all... and destroy their credibility with CCP and with the community in an incredibly high profile way. They would be literally chucking away their lucrative long term income stream for a (comparatively) tiny amount of ISK. Granted, they would have a certain notoriety afterwards which might appeal to some, but I have a hard time believing they would be so INCREDIBLY STUPID as to do what people are suggesting. Really, think about it folks. Except they could give 50 billion ISK for EVE vegas and still turn on a ******** profit. Nobody really know what kind of income this will really generate for them so they can give any non stupid amount and call it that. Nobody can track what was invested in blinks because of this draft as opposed to the real regular operation. They don't have to burn thier rep at all. THey can just say it generated X isk so we are giving that even if in reality it generated 10 times that. I think you need to remember CCP can look at the income streams of everyone connected to their organization if it looks fishy... and they would considering CCP endorsed them.
More importantly, playing this legit earns them far, far more in the long run. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8866
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:33:00 -
[284] - Quote
You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2077
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:37:00 -
[285] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Can't put it any better than that, really |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4681
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:37:00 -
[286] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: But restricting it simply for the sake of LORE... no, no necessarily a fan of that. Lore continually grows and changes, and I've always been fond of the "It was thought there was only 1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever... but another has been found gathering DUST in a hidden hanger owned by the original designer" type of story line.
What kind of story for this ship is random lottery. All it does is make it lose its legend, that is all. It immediately drops from the most unique ship to just another prize. They can repaint any new hull or they can give away something else but this, this kills the legend and gains nothing in return. CCP can and should do better than this. They should work to improve EVE History because that is what sets this game apart, one server, one history. You summed up the new place of the Gold Magnate in EVE history perfectly. Ranger 1 wrote:1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever Whatever indeed. Fair point, they would probably have been served better to distinguish it from the original somehow... such as calling in the Golden Magnate Mark II or something along that line. And Guardian-Vexor Mk II. That too.
I looked, but I'm having a hard time finding the original competition where the Guardian Vexor BPC's were awarded. Did you have better luck than I?
I still remember it as a trivial reward of several 5 run bpc's given out for some sort of hauling or industrial competition back in the day... and not really billed as a "one time only" thing, but I'll be the first to admit that I could be completely off on that. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
897
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:37:00 -
[287] - Quote
What a disgrace... time to start The Tears Must Flow |
Cyrus Alabel
Penumbra Institute Catastrophic Uprising
52
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:38:00 -
[288] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: I think you need to remember CCP can look at the income streams of everyone connected to their organization if it looks fishy... and they would considering CCP endorsed them.
More importantly, playing this legit earns them far, far more in the long run.
You seem to forget that during the T20 scandal, there was dev collusion. There's a reason I.A. exists. Blink could be on the straight and narrow, but it sets a dangerous precedent, that CCP can just give specific people ships that have no guarantee that they won't go to alts. Nevermind ships that are gone entirely. |
MastaKari
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:39:00 -
[289] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
^ this |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
31
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:43:00 -
[290] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. You would think anyone looking at it for 2 seconds would realize how terrible idea it is to begin with but nope... |
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Leppales Beddelver
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:45:00 -
[291] - Quote
More bad decisions from CCP. |
CAAN0N
URBAN CHA0S WE FORM VOLTRON
25
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:45:00 -
[292] - Quote
So let me get this straight CCP wants to ruin the history of EVE, one of the main driving forced behind why I love this game for some publicity?
Isn't it kind of ironic that CCP create this collectors edition for a decades worth of history which they give to SOMAR to give away at the same time they re-introduce pieces of history spitting on that decade of history.
CCP you are bad and you should feel bad, didn't want that respect for you anyway. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2084
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:46:00 -
[293] - Quote
Remember that time CCP got really mad about people pretending that CCP was officially vouching for them via the wiki
and got very mad and banned people and changed the EULA/TOS because the idea that CCP would officially vouch for a player/group was unacceptable
and then just a few days later they not only officially vouched for, but offer to hand trillions of isk to, a player group
bloody marvellous |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
531
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:47:00 -
[294] - Quote
And CCP, you understand that if SOMER does take the ships and run, or gives them to alts or players who pay bribes, you have an absolute PR nightmare on your hands. Players raging, people who spent tons of isk quitting and complaining about CCP for years on forums, news articles about how "CCP cheated their players".
Aren't their internal policies in place to review public relations risk? This should be ringing a few bells...
IMO, these ships should be given out via a CCP run event like the old days. It's more fun than a lottery anyways. |
Maximilian Akora
It's just business.
23
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:49:00 -
[295] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
You just saved me typing a lot of words. |
Julia Reave
J-Systems
14
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:52:00 -
[296] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
QFT |
Ibn Taymiyyah
eM' Roid Extraction Services
7
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:52:00 -
[297] - Quote
Andrev Nox wrote:Swidgen wrote:Andrev Nox wrote:The original plan was for the CCP donated prizes to be a Bonk, and to roll the Bonk earnings straight back into the Eve Vegas sponsorship (detailed here: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/eve-vegas-2013-1/ ) But we wanted to give folks a chance at these hulls that didn't want to spend any ISK on our site too, so we moved the tickets to "any play" and are rolling any residual profit from this event back to the Vegas event sponsorship. Wait a second.... your "residual profit" is in ISK, no? How can you sponsor a RL event, i.e. EVE Vegas, with ISK? How does that work exactly? Because converting ISK into RL money is prohibited, is it not? As detailed in the link you quoted - we're sponsoring the PVP tourney happening at Eve Vegas with ISK prizes, and I'm attending to hand out ISK prizes as well. We've sponsored several dozen RL meetups in this fashion so far, although this one is by far the biggest amount of sponsorship to date :)
I'm sorry mate, but how exactly are you "sponsoring" anything when the funds are coming from once-unique-now-rare items spawned by CCP?
You're not sponsoring ****. You're just being the middle man and taking your cut. As much of a ****** situation it would be I'd much rather have CCP spawn the isk for the prizes then hand you the items where there's no ******* control over who gets what!
This whole thing stinks of Devs doing handouts to friends. CCP ... never fails to dissapoint.
My 2 cents |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:53:00 -
[298] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
Oh, I think CCP will have a pretty good idea.
Sure, they could keep it all... and destroy their credibility with CCP and with the community in an incredibly high profile way. They would be literally chucking away their lucrative long term income stream for a (comparatively) tiny amount of ISK.
Granted, they would have a certain notoriety afterwards which might appeal to some, but I have a hard time believing they would be so INCREDIBLY STUPID as to do what people are suggesting.
Really, think about it folks.
It's entirely irrelevant what they've done in the past. Bad Bobby hadn't scammed anyone before he walked away with several hundred billion isk from his titan BPO scam.
But it's equally irrelevant whether they scam or not. CCP is directly giving a player corporation in the PVP sandbox a massive advantage.
- Increased exposure will drive more customers to their income stream.
- The prizes given by CCP aren't costing Somer anything so they can give them away without cutting into their profits.
- X amount of those customers who sign up because of this will stay, increasing Somer's long-term revenue.
The reason this was a terrible idea is not that Somer might scam (in fact it would be the best outcome if they did) but that CCP is giving a direct advantage to a player corporation because they like them. Not because of a competition open to all with clear rules involved but out of direct favouritism.
I like Somer, I can't fault them for what they're doing here, or the ludicrous amounts of ISK they make (though there isn't as much transparency as would appear), this is solely on CCP.
Add in that Somer is purely a gambling site that has driven players to spend rl money on isk in order to fund their gambling addiction and it's patently obvious that instead CCP should have given these items to Goonswarm, the moral, sensible choice for receiving CCP bias. |
Seraph Essael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:53:00 -
[299] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Andski can be a real pain in the ass on these forums sometimes, arguing with him is like trying to cut butter with a hammer, (luckily I have never been on the recieving end of him (giggidy, no? Awww okay)).
But seriously, this quote has really hit the nail on the head. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
25
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:53:00 -
[300] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Believed it would never happens. But liked an Andski-post. |
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Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
122
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:55:00 -
[301] - Quote
Respect.
I don't post a tremendous amount but I had to say something here.
CCP it is your game and you can do with it what you bloody well want too in the end you will. However, I think this kind of special give away goes against the prime directive of no direct influence that favors one player/organization over another.
In view of this fact how can this type of give away to "ANY" single organization be something that makes "ANY" sense to you???
SMFH. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2088
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:57:00 -
[302] - Quote
If CCP want to give away a few shinies for publicity, why don't they do it themselves?
Handing them to a player group, who will use them as part of their for-profit operations, is rather disgusting.
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Ponder Stuff
Deadly Intent.
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:57:00 -
[303] - Quote
This is Crazy, You are giving a massive amount of free isk to the richest man in eve when you know he is buying up all the unique ships and fixing the prices. Not to mention dropping the value of the ships already in the game.
If you are going to do this sort of thing it would be nice to see even handed treatment for the other lotteries in eve. EOH Poker is another great example of a neglected 3rd party that has existed for far longer and has not been given any help. Sort your **** out CCP and think before you act.
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
399
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:58:00 -
[304] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Not empty quoting. Capital Shop temporarily closed. |
Djana Libra
DAB The Unthinkables
287
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:03:00 -
[305] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
I guess its damn cold in hell since it just froze over, bloody well agreeing with Andski... who would have thought that would ever happen. |
Edward Pierce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:03:00 -
[306] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. Heh, Andski said bears... |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
299
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:07:00 -
[307] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Not empty quoting. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
836
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:08:00 -
[308] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
in before you can win the Alliance Tournament via Somer.
Pathetic Idea. Why not even mogrify a Megathron into a federate Issue??
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2686
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:10:00 -
[309] - Quote
It is very worrisome that CCP is being very hush-hush about this and while they can, and would be absolutely right, argue that EVE is their IP. I have to ask if they also think that destroying EVE history that was written by their players is within their right as well?
I think the best solution would have been if CCP had created a ship unique to EVE Vegas, that is honestly the best and ideal solution for it. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
27
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:10:00 -
[310] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Just requote this untill they get the idea. |
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Phoenus
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
116
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:13:00 -
[311] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Not emptyquoting. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
422
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:13:00 -
[312] - Quote
You want to create content associated with auctioning off ships? Easy, plex auction.
Whomever puts up the most plex to CCP Character gets the golden magnate. 2nd and 3rd runner ups get the guardian vexors.
Done. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16648
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:15:00 -
[313] - Quote
Again, hand out Bronze Magantes and Steward-Vexors if you want, CCP GÇö that achieves the same thing without ruining the history of the game. And if you want to give stuff to player-run competitions, do what you've always done and spread the PLEX love.
The combination of two very bone-headed mistakes in this case is what makes it such a ridiculously obvious wrong thing to do (which, in turn, makes the mind boggle as to why the hell you're doing it) and why everyone who's not a troll is shouting at you. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
580
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:17:00 -
[314] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Yup! Follow me on twitter |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:17:00 -
[315] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
The reintroduction of unique ships is a very real and concerning game issue that can be argued well in either direction. It's also entirely irrelevant here.
Giving hundreds of billions of isk arbitrarily to a group of players the devs decide they like is NEVER acceptable. |
Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
20
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:17:00 -
[316] - Quote
Phoenus wrote:[quote=Andski]You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Not empty quoting
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Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2010
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:20:00 -
[317] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
+1. |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3121
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:20:00 -
[318] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
On Behalf of xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx -áGÖÑ-á
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Brokko Lee
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:22:00 -
[319] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
this |
handbanana
State War Academy Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:25:00 -
[320] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Wow, a goon post I can finally agree with. GÇ£It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.GÇ¥ -á-á -Jack Handy
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Razputon
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:26:00 -
[321] - Quote
Honestly, I have little problem with them adding an extremely limited number of these ships back into the game. What I DO have a huge problem with is that they are going to be distributed not by CCP, but by a third party. Whether or not SOMER has been honest in the past we have no guarantees that they will be honest with this and no safeguards either.
What I would prefer to see is instead of the ships themselves being given out a series of single run BPC's. And instead of a lottery run by a third person have it be an escalation that runs 20 or 30 steps. Start it in Jita. Run through High-sec, low, null and WH space. Have it incorporate all the activities in Eve. One escalation section needs some minerals mined, another combat, another hacking and so forth.
Make this sort of thing a reward for the person or group that plays all aspects of Eve. Make the series of escalations a journey across the width and breadth of the Eve universe. Showcasing all that it has to offer.
And then, at the end, with the BPC in their hands, the successful groups can choose to build the ship, sell the bpc, do nothing at all with it, or destroy it completely. |
Tahini Argent
Vasilkovsky Interstellar Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:28:00 -
[322] - Quote
Quote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
I don't believe I could have said this better myself. |
Ibn Taymiyyah
eM' Roid Extraction Services
10
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:29:00 -
[323] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
342
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:30:00 -
[324] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. Well I'll be damned - I agree with a Goon 110% (though Andski has been one of the more level-headed ones over the years)... |
Dyvim Slorm
Dronetech Prime
157
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:31:00 -
[325] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Not that often I agree with Andski but on this he's dead right |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1082
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:31:00 -
[326] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
wise words We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
32
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:33:00 -
[327] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Can't say it any better. +1 |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
305
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:34:00 -
[328] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
back up to the top
I cannot believe that CCP is supporting a known scam that is Somer Blink. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Soko Lsi
SASART Corporation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:34:00 -
[329] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Quoted for truth. +1 |
Jack Starbuck
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:35:00 -
[330] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
+1 |
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Malcolm Rennolds
Inquisition FiS Division Surely You're Joking
14
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:35:00 -
[331] - Quote
3 accounts canceled. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
334
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:35:00 -
[332] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:If CCP want to give away a few shinies for publicity, why don't they do it themselves?
Handing them to a player group, who will use them as part of their for-profit operations, is rather disgusting.
Or as the guys who are running this are spouting about using Chribba's dice for the illusion of being fair ( it is an illusion as you only got their word they haven't rigged it. ) why not give these ships to the single most trusted person in Eve to hand out ?
Black Canary Jnr wrote:Worst idea all year.
Somer blink. Somer is rich enough to buy their own prizes, they don't need CCPs help and already have a community spotlight. Content created: zero. If CCP feels such a need to trash the history of the ships then they should at least do it in a content creating way. Have a RP storyline, give one to the tuskers for a frig FFA/ death race prize, have an exploration contest to find a 'lost golden magnate'.Anything else would be more fun and have the 'i was there' factor, but somer blink, aka. person with lots of isk wins? What a joke.
First time playing eve that i feel like unsubbing an account or 2.
This, esp like the tuskers idea, dunno if they could be trusted but it be a lot more fitting for them or a group like them get to run something Rp-lite and use one of these as a prize, Tuskers and other groups actually ADD content to Eve while Somer blink takes content away from eve in the form of one of the biggest isk divertions and encouraging people to not play eve but to enter a rather crude gambling site which is amazingly good at keeping those slots filled and turning over. :) |
CAAN0N
URBAN CHA0S WE FORM VOLTRON
28
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:38:00 -
[333] - Quote
So is there a petition going round yet for shiny owners to sign saying CCP DON'T DO IT yet?
If not I created a banner for it! [HERE]
If so I sign.
Also to all the people who say "They are only introducing 4 more GVs whats the big deal stop complaining" given the that there is only an estimated 20 left in play do you think an increase of 20% is not significant from an economic point of view? |
Mad Madness
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:39:00 -
[334] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
+1 |
Ted Mobster
Federation Navy Light Auxillary
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:39:00 -
[335] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
+1 |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2861
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:40:00 -
[336] - Quote
Malcolm Rennolds wrote:3 accounts canceled.
Don't worry ccp, I just subbed 4 new accounts! Stem the tide!!!! |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
123
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:40:00 -
[337] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Always a pretty good indicator.
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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
860
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:42:00 -
[338] - Quote
G-V's by the dozen ?
Why not. Gives people something to talk about/divert their attention if there's no real content in the winter expansion.
And as we all know, the new defintion of "rare" is right beside the entry for "GNOSIS"... because everyone should have a chance to own a RARE ship... and they do mean EVERYONE.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
CAAN0N
URBAN CHA0S WE FORM VOLTRON
28
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:42:00 -
[339] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
I'm on this bandwagon |
KrakizBad
Section 8. Fatal Ascension
1363
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:43:00 -
[340] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. +1 this is a stupid idea. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
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PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
191
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:50:00 -
[341] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. +1
On the other hand, it has been a while since we've seen truly :CCP: levels of stupidity. The ToS thing was a minor hiccup by comparison. |
RDevz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:51:00 -
[342] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
poast ~ |
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
77
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:51:00 -
[343] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
On the other hand, It's been more than 12 hours since the thread was made and it's only 17 pages long (edit: ok, 18 now). Just saying. Rally the troops. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
28
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:52:00 -
[344] - Quote
No blue flagged, CSM or ISD post until now? Very strange. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1078
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:58:00 -
[345] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. Poster of my heart :swoon: Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
271
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:03:00 -
[346] - Quote
Nam Dnilb wrote:On the other hand, It's been more than 12 hours since the thread was made and it's only 17 pages long (edit: ok, 18 now). Just saying. Rally the troops.
I expect a lot of people are thinking that this is so absurd that it must have been a mistake to begin with and that CCP will quickly recognize the error without it having to be made into a huge deal. This is still the time to let CCP know that they're screwing up, their response to this thread will be the time to decide if it's worth actually getting mad. |
Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
23
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:08:00 -
[347] - Quote
CCP must give a statement here ASAP!!! |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
366
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:10:00 -
[348] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:CCP must give a statement here ASAP!!!
they are too busy trying to rewrite tonights expansion announcement in order to try to deflect the damage. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cedar Knolls Research STEEL BROTHERHOOD
28
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:10:00 -
[349] - Quote
Innominate wrote:
I expect a lot of people are thinking that this is so absurd that it must have been a mistake to begin with and that CCP will quickly recognize the error without it having to be made into a huge deal. This is still the time to let CCP know that they're screwing up, their response to this thread will be the time to decide if it's worth actually getting mad.
They still haven't reverted the TOS or responded to the associated threads in over two weeks. Why would they walk this back? I'm still wondering if this is part of their new vision for EVE? |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
28
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:12:00 -
[350] - Quote
I fear that the announcement will make the incoming damage even worse... |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
49110
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:12:00 -
[351] - Quote
Nam Dnilb wrote:On the other hand, It's been more than 12 hours since the thread was made and it's only 17 pages long (edit: ok, 18 now). Just saying. Rally the troops.
Well, it is only a Thursday........ Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Sayyadina Drain
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:13:00 -
[352] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. Director (of Slashers) of My Heart. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
49110
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:14:00 -
[353] - Quote
Bronco Platz wrote:No blue flagged, CSM or ISD post until now? Very strange.
How about....I have not gotten one single reminder today of the Winter Expansion broadcast from the usual flood of emails and #eveonline Tweets that accompany such events.
Not one. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Julius Priscus
144
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:21:00 -
[354] - Quote
Innominate wrote:Nam Dnilb wrote:On the other hand, It's been more than 12 hours since the thread was made and it's only 17 pages long (edit: ok, 18 now). Just saying. Rally the troops. I expect a lot of people are thinking that this is so absurd that it must have been a mistake to begin with and that CCP will quickly recognize the error without it having to be made into a huge deal. This is still the time to let CCP know that they're screwing up, their response to this thread will be the time to decide if it's worth actually getting mad.
would not surprise me if ccp ignored us all. -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
35
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:24:00 -
[355] - Quote
Julius Priscus wrote:Innominate wrote:Nam Dnilb wrote:On the other hand, It's been more than 12 hours since the thread was made and it's only 17 pages long (edit: ok, 18 now). Just saying. Rally the troops. I expect a lot of people are thinking that this is so absurd that it must have been a mistake to begin with and that CCP will quickly recognize the error without it having to be made into a huge deal. This is still the time to let CCP know that they're screwing up, their response to this thread will be the time to decide if it's worth actually getting mad. would not surprise me if ccp ignored us all. They ignore us before stream, announce promotion during stream, proceed to drown in **** after stream. /farseermode |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
29
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:24:00 -
[356] - Quote
Then we have to shoot a Monument. How about the one in Jita? |
CAAN0N
URBAN CHA0S WE FORM VOLTRON
33
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:24:00 -
[357] - Quote
Everyone in this thread |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
259
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:26:00 -
[358] - Quote
I just thought of something that made me wonder. If this is intended as some sort of reward for community involvement, why didn't BIG and Torn Soul get picked for this incredible windfall of totally free phat lootz? Bokononist
-á |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
29
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:27:00 -
[359] - Quote
There is a new sticky (about this Topic?): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread |
Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
575
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:35:00 -
[360] - Quote
I too, am unhappy with this.
CCP, you are moving in a new direction, and we don't like it. "QQ threads are only allowed in the Out of Pod Experience forum." - ISD Cura Ursus |
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Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
276
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:36:00 -
[361] - Quote
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote: They still haven't reverted the TOS or responded to the associated threads in over two weeks. Why would they walk this back? I'm still wondering if this is part of their new vision for EVE?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298
NOW is a good time to get mad. |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
238
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:36:00 -
[362] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. Not empty quote. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
300
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:38:00 -
[363] - Quote
Also, gold isn't even magnetic.. WTF CCP |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
41
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:43:00 -
[364] - Quote
I'm on the fence if this idea is even worse than the original. It's pretty damn close... HOW?! |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
324
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:01:00 -
[365] - Quote
CCP, don't add in more of a limited edition ship, it ruins the concept of "limited edition".
And if you DO for some reason feel some need to add more of a limited edition ship that has since been exterminated from eve, WHY are you giving it to a lottery corporation that will basically sell them off, with no way of guaranteeing they won't just raffle them them to their own alts!
Honestly, its a bad idea all around. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1338
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:05:00 -
[366] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
This.
Very well put Andski.
An enormous +1 This is not a signature. |
Glasgow Dunlop
Gigaverse Strictly Unprofessional
89
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:08:00 -
[367] - Quote
plus 1 for me, if your going to do something like that, knock something up in the back of the shed, don't just rip the soul from the game about making rare ships that no longer exsist, exsist, and they have also said that they have no idea who will end up with them, as mentions on twitter, them that run somer have'won' eve. You really think, if you were in there postion, that one or two of the ships would be 'won' by an alt??
twitter: @glasgowdunlop-á GLASGOW MEET No.3 OCT 5th http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=229549&find=unread
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2110
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:11:00 -
[368] - Quote
Glasgow Dunlop wrote:plus 1 for me, if your going to do something like that, knock something up in the back of the shed, don't just rip the soul from the game about making rare ships that no longer exsist, exsist, and they have also said that they have no idea who will end up with them, as mentions on twitter, them that run somer have'won' eve. You really think, if you were in there postion, that one or two of the ships would be 'won' by an alt??
But its ok because CCP Navigator says he trusts them. He hasn't run a complete audit of all their accounts, or looked through their codebase in order to verify fairness, but dont let details like that get to you |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16665
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:15:00 -
[369] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:But its ok because CCP Navigator says he trusts them. GǪtoo bad his trust levels are too low for that to be worth anything, even without the sarcasm.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Maraner
The Executioners Insidious Empire
283
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:24:00 -
[370] - Quote
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
what is dead can never be brought back.
If you must do this then ffs do it in game not through Blink.
Who is running the show?? and who had the idea for this CCP Zulu ? |
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Arec Bardwin
1118
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:25:00 -
[371] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. Normally I'll **** on Andski (or any goon for that matter) every time I get the chance, but this time I'll let it slide. Big +1 to you. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
69
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:37:00 -
[372] - Quote
CCP can make this work, imo, by doing two things:
- Creating several new rare ships for the purpose rather than tarnishing the classic ones, and
- Asking SOMER Blink to purchase those ships. They're a for-profit, fer gawd sakes, and SOMER Blink is going to make bigtime isk on those ships. They for damm sure can afford it, and I for one will quit complaining if CCP does both these things.
There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
22
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:38:00 -
[373] - Quote
wow. i had to log in to this ****?
this is such a terrible idea... don't get me wrong, i like somer blink, but...
giving a bunch of rare **** to them to distribute? that ain't right bros. |
Shai 'Hulud
Spanked and Straddled
26
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:50:00 -
[374] - Quote
BAD!!! |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
556
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:57:00 -
[375] - Quote
They already backpedalled. You can lower the pitchforks (though keep them handy)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? |
Stoogie
Space Pygmies
94
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:00:00 -
[376] - Quote
Tbh its not good enough |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
556
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:04:00 -
[377] - Quote
It is a lot better than them urinating all over the legacy stuff. GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? |
Stoogie
Space Pygmies
94
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:09:00 -
[378] - Quote
I'll grant you that is true but still this is not a good idea. |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
492
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 21:12:00 -
[379] - Quote
Confirming my Somer Blink account got banned when i never bothered to read the rules of a 3rd party website not affiliated with CCP and tried to promo blink with 2 accounts not knowing this was not permitted
I pay my subscription to CCP just like everybody else - Why am I therefore being marginalised and excluded from being able to participate in this "community event" facilitated by CCP ?
The underlying principles here are exactly the same as why CCP Falcon decided to withdraw from several player run channels recently to create their own, given that player moderation / actions were potentially preventing all players from having free and unilateral access to CCP related content.
My Somer Account is blocked - I pay my eve subscription, yet I cannot take part in this event despite me abiding by and adhering to the terms and conditions as layed out by the EULA..
Unless everybody has access to participate in this lottery, then by its own actions, choices and decisions CCP are marginalising and excluding members of their own community since clearly there will be players who cannot take part in this even if they wanted to.
Utterly dreadful decision making, clear favouritism, and by default, not fair to the "whole" community.
10/10. Concord Approved Trader |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2195
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:15:00 -
[380] - Quote
Don't be so blind. They're trying to capitulate over specifics so they can go ahead with their overall plan without people acting so mad about it.
They're not giving out the legacy ships but are still spawning items for an ingame group simply because the devs like them. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
714
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 21:22:00 -
[381] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Andski agrees with bears in a post. When that happens, it can't be wrong. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
559
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 21:37:00 -
[382] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Don't be so blind. They're trying to capitulate over specifics so they can go ahead with their overall plan without people acting so mad about it. They're not giving out the legacy ships but are still spawning items for an ingame group simply because the devs like them.
Oh, my eyes are wide open, make no mistake there.
My primary concern was them essentially destroying EVE by reintroducing dead and presumed "discontinued" limited ships (given their previous commitment to not re-issuing said ships).
The act of sponsoring does not bother me that much. BIG Lotteries also got sponsored and not many cried foul over that.
The problem I have now is with Somer getting exclusivity to a ship class, but this is not nearly as profoundly wrong as dishonoring EVE history. GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? |
Weynard
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:52:00 -
[383] - Quote
CSM STILL REVENANT
...just joking, I guess it was just a case of "People we're going to consult about super important things WHEN WE FEEL LIKE IT."
CCP, there are times when you are doing things really, really, really right. Rubicon sounds great! And then there are times when you really, really, REALLY mess it up hardcore. First T20, then micro transactions and now T20 all over again? I mean, what the ****ing ****? Isn't it enough for 20 pages full of players complaining to you, including two of the most prominent of them all, about you giving exclusive shiny **** to people who don't deserve it? Why do you keep coming up with these horrible, horrible plans?
:( |
Leontyne Gaterau
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:52:00 -
[384] - Quote
lmbo at "dishonoureing EVE history" |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
559
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 22:00:00 -
[385] - Quote
Leontyne Gaterau wrote:lmbo at "dishonoureing EVE history"
Yeah, I was going to write something far less subtle but decided to make the post a tad bit nicer sounding just before hitting enter. I'm glad you were amused though. GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? |
Serenety Steel
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
75
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:07:00 -
[386] - Quote
What a pile of Shizz!
CCP should should be the ones to give the prizes out even tho i disagree with handing out limited edition ships like the GVex!
Not through a 3rd party site that will make isk from it! bad move CCP!
Rant over
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Petrov Kreigt
TunDraGon
8
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:08:00 -
[387] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
'Nuff said. |
Langbaobao
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:13:00 -
[388] - Quote
Definitely a bad decision. What's dead should stay dead. What's up with these zombi special edition ships?
On a more serious note, it's bad for the game because it devalues the work of others, it devalues the player stories that have shaped EVE as a universe and it undermines your credibility. If rare 'never to be reprinted' ships suddenly start to be minted again, what's next? Consensual PVP? |
Molly Poppers
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:21:00 -
[389] - Quote
I think this is a bad idea. What is going to happen to the massive amount of ISK generated from these lotteries. Does Blink keep it? I pretty sure Blink doesn't need more ISK!
If you insist on "un-destroying" unique ships... why not give the ships to "C" and let him do a free lottery draw for everyone.
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Karash Amerius
Sutoka
128
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:21:00 -
[390] - Quote
Beyond terrible. Seems like pups at the wheel these days. Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka |
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Medreena Burstin
PWNNY Express Nulli Tertius
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:28:00 -
[391] - Quote
This has got to be the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. Two things come to mind:
- We already know from history lotteries for ingame items that are different than what everyone else can get is bad. I.e. T2 Lottery. - Why have a lottery for ships that already exist?
Want to have one for a new ship model, that's still bad, but better. God CCP is ******** sometimes, and why would the CSM even agree to such idiocy.
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Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
188
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:36:00 -
[392] - Quote
Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
I really hate it when I have to agree with Goons <3 |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
28
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 22:40:00 -
[393] - Quote
I'm not even going to quote this, I'm just going to steal it:
You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. |
Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
17
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:17:00 -
[394] - Quote
Iwan Pawlow wrote:Thebriwan wrote:I don't believe in artificial rarity.
They may be hard to get, they may given out at special circumstances, but there should be a chance for everyone to get one - even if it is merely theoretical. There is/was always the chance. Earn enough isk and try to convince a holder of a rare item of selling it.
This attitude always gets to me. If EVE were run this way, there would be unbeatable POSes. It is simply not the EVE Online way.
The lottery idea is horrible. I hope CCP puts at least some effort into making sure it is run legitimately.
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Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:31:00 -
[395] - Quote
If they really must hand out new ships and fanfest tickets, then they should just leave the ships in a few special anomalies randomly scattered through high, low, worm and null. Let us go out and find and fight over them.
No Directly enriching one bunch of players at the expense of all others by spawning them items, doesn't matter if it's special ships or 5 tn isk of Veldspar or Sabre BPOs. Don't do it. |
Deckard Reinheart
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:41:00 -
[396] - Quote
As someone who's only been playing for a couple years so far and never got to see either of these ships when they were first introduced, I'm am against the idea of reintroducing them. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
12
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:35:00 -
[397] - Quote
Andski wrote:"Here's how it works: Any time you play any Blink, you receive 1 ticket to the drawing (even if you buy more than one ticket). Plus, if you win the Blink, you receive bonus tickets based on the size of the Blink."
Hey guys just give this player-run entity more ISK and you'll have a better chance of winning these things we're having them give away!
Unless you got banned from Blink and can't buy a ticket. Because we totally trust their discretion in banning players from their third party web site. For actions taken entirely out of game. Based on rules they themselves made up. That in some cases are not even listed on the site itself.
What happened to
CCP Falcon wrote: Due to complaints regarding overzealous player moderation on this channel, everyone from CCP who has been interacting here will be withdrawing from doing so. The same goes for "The Summit" and "Live Events" The reason for this is that we can't allow players to be locked out of interaction with us based on grudges that are held between players. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
12
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 00:36:00 -
[398] - Quote
Asayanami Dei wrote:Jita Riot 2013! Redux
Wasn't there one over ToS non-changes recently? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9059
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:39:00 -
[399] - Quote
Cierra Royce wrote:If they really must hand out new ships and fanfest tickets, then they should just leave the ships in a few special anomalies randomly scattered through high, low, worm and null. Let us go out and find and fight over them.
It's not just a fanfest ticket, it's an all-expenses paid trip. This isn't a typical promotion, they're promoting the hell out of Blink so that people will buy GTCs and blinks in hopes of getting a ticket. There is no other reason they would even entertain the thought of offering an all-expenses paid trip as a promotion for a bloody fansite. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Sir Gankal0t
Of The Night
4
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:03:00 -
[400] - Quote
Seems like a good way to **** all over anyone's desires of owning a collection of rare ships if they just start churning out these "extinct" ships at a whim. |
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cynthia greythorne
Twilight Labs Unsung Voices
29
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:03:00 -
[401] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. I really hate it when I have to agree with Goons <3
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
This whole plan seems rather unsporting, even reprehensible.
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Ludi Burek
Toilet Emergency JIHADASQUAD
253
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:01:00 -
[402] - Quote
Isn't the double dipping method so blatantly obvious here that it hurts?
1.) Fake players (alts of lottery holder) buy tickets. Can't prove that it doesn't happen already anyway.
2.) Fake players win the limited ships, "lol randomly" ofc . Can't prove that it doesn't happen already anyway.
3.) Lottery holder pockets all the the legit players money.
4.) Fake players offload their winnings.
5.) Fake player owner, the lottery holder, profits twice from same item(s).
First thought that popped into my head and I'm not even a scamming pro. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9069
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:02:00 -
[403] - Quote
That Seems Legit wrote:It makes perfect sense for ccp to hand these out to a player driven enterprise. You whiners are forgetting how much of eve is player driven.
"player driven" now equates to "developer-spawned items"
excellent point there Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Old Phill
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:28:00 -
[404] - Quote
CCP should give me some free **** just because im not famous doesnt mean i dont deserve free bling probably worth billions a piece best way and fairest is just randomly gift the ships among all the currently active accounts sure multiboxers have a slight edge but in reality they pay ccp more with more subs so fair giving it to Somer blink just feeds isk to already probably some of the richest people in the game and some random like me with less than a bill will never get my hands on some fancy ship atleast my way gives me a chance or just do with what they did the gnosis you dont see em flying around every where and it was so fair everyone got one if you wanna give free ships give it to everyone or no one or give everyone a fair chance |
Tiffenay
Synchrodyne Holding Synchrodyne
14
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:27:00 -
[405] - Quote
What happened to the sandbox?
Now CCP plays favorites with player groups again?
Wow, so ready to unsub if this ever happens.
Promise. |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
70
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Posted - 2013.09.27 04:10:00 -
[406] - Quote
So basically CCP is giving ISK to a Lottery. Lol, can't wait to see a new Dev. CCP RealManThrustworthy. *** Ok, letting laugh aside: Fake lotteries for uber-expensive bullshit are back. Now where's BoB? Sir Molle, are you Somer? *** CCP, such small things are for small minds. Tought you need more to be happy. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3306
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Posted - 2013.09.27 04:25:00 -
[407] - Quote
While I'm generally apathetic about things like this (because it doesn't really affect me in any way)... I must admit... something about this doesn't seem right.
BLINK will be getting ISK for items that were generated by DEVs... and that ISK will, to my knowledge, be staying in BLINK's accounts. They are basically getting something for nothing.
The only way I can see this situation ever being "fair" is if the ISK gathered from the lotto is removed from the game entirely... but then that would raise all sorts of questions regarding why can't players just buy these ships normally in-game if they have billions or trillions of ISK to burn?
Actually... now that I think about it... that would be an interesting ISK-sink. Pay 5 trillion ISK to an NPC for a super rare ship anyone? Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Zhade Lezte
118
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Posted - 2013.09.27 04:28:00 -
[408] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Stick to your guns CCP, these things are just pixels.
Some of you need to take a break from EVE, find a girl (or guy, whatever) and "get some".
I love this post because it is
1) Possibly a troll 2) Not awful advice (the advice to the players, that is) and 3) Completely against Eve's niche, and how they market the game. And adorably unaware of it.
So yeah, the truth is out. Eve is in fact Not Real, and CCP is being kind enough to shatter that illusion for us by favoring an ingame organization in a way that will profit them immensely.
Marketing! |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
70
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Posted - 2013.09.27 04:53:00 -
[409] - Quote
Lol, before i forget, and considering latest CCP statement about removing the ships promised from the lottery: So what should i understand, CCP? That you sustain a prize scam, considering there's not few people that did buy tickets ONLY BECAUSE OF THE PROMISED SHIPS, and also knowing Sumer is not giving isk back? Now some might say that they couldn't have known that players reaction will be like it is. Rofl, my a** they did not know. But some might stay to their Pink Rainbow Farting Unicorns and believe THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW. All hails for these guys. They my Working Class Heroes of the day. Tripple . CCP pls keep entertaining me. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2013.09.27 05:06:00 -
[410] - Quote
Tiffenay wrote:What happened to the sandbox?
Now CCP plays favorites with player groups again?
Wow, so ready to unsub if this ever happens.
Promise.
Stuff, can I haz? My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
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Anton Menges Saddat
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
19
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Posted - 2013.09.27 05:32:00 -
[411] - Quote
ok, I set up a channel about a year and a half ago which I have admined and operated since, and has increased in popularity, spread mostly through word of mouth, and which has a stable and growing population and serves a large slice of eve's bigger entities. soooo, am i eligible to recieve dev-spawned items to use for promotion purposes? if the answer is no, then this whole premise is patently unfair and discriminatory and puts me at a competitive disadvantage 'just because'. i find the whole concept to be offensive. |
Frieza
The Minmatar Element
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:19:00 -
[412] - Quote
Using somerBLINK ? An entity that by it's definition is all about scam ? You must be mad CCP
PS. http://blinkexposed.blogspot.ca/ |
Maliandra
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:34:00 -
[413] - Quote
Zhade Lezte wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Stick to your guns CCP, these things are just pixels.
Some of you need to take a break from EVE, find a girl (or guy, whatever) and "get some". I love this post because it is 1) Possibly a troll 2) Not awful advice (the advice to the players, that is)and 3) Completely against Eve's niche, and how they market the game. And adorably unaware of it. So yeah, the truth is out. Eve is in fact Not Real, and CCP is being kind enough to shatter that illusion for us by favoring an ingame organization in a way that will profit them immensely. Marketing! Rofl so true.
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
46
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:51:00 -
[414] - Quote
CCP should instead issue these ships to newly created characters on newly created non-trial accounts. Say, there's a 0.1% chance of not getting a rookie ship spawned but instead a Guardian Vexor or something. Maybe with a message "Due to a bureaucratic error you have been assigned an incredible valuable ship instead of an Velator. It's yours to keep or sell or blow up. Fly safe."
THAT would further EVE, help newbies and give CCP some income without having some random guy getting rich off it. Sure, those with loads of ISK can try to activate tons of accounts using PLEX, but then at least those PLEX are gone.
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Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
28
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:51:00 -
[415] - Quote
+++TO CCP+++ |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3125
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:11:00 -
[416] - Quote
It's ok the problem is now partially averted, Now to tackle the problem with Somer's deliberately increased revenue. and CCP favouritism. Promoting an organisation that is 100% driven for profit. -áGÖÑ-á
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Cpt Tirel
Tyrfing Industries Viro Mors Non Est
58
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:19:00 -
[417] - Quote
This thread reeks of jealousy. |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:20:00 -
[418] - Quote
Dear CCP,
This is an atrocious idea. As I beleive that Somer Blink is nothing more than a scam, you CCP are,
- taking away the mistique of the rare ships - showing favouritism to a group of players - hurting your reputation, ( again ) - being taken for fools by these players.
This is simply an idiotic and horendous idea.
Gee whiz, if you are giving stuff away, then every player should be given their very own "frig of doom" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Professional Forum Alt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.09.27 13:13:00 -
[419] - Quote
CCP - you should really consider what it is you are doing here :s
Any typos, spelling errors and bad grammer found, are free and yours to keep |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
89
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Posted - 2013.09.27 13:17:00 -
[420] - Quote
Professional Forum Alt wrote:CCP - you should really consider what it is you are doing here :s They did consider Too bad they only touched on one out of the roughly 17 issues players had with this whole deal... |
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Anton Menges Saddat
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
19
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Posted - 2013.09.27 13:20:00 -
[421] - Quote
Abernie wrote:Professional Forum Alt wrote:CCP - you should really consider what it is you are doing here :s They did considerToo bad they only touched on one out of the roughly 17 issues players had with this whole deal... I won't be satisfied until channel Legit_BT has unique skin ship variants of its own for promotional purposes |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
210
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:30:00 -
[422] - Quote
i cannot even begin to fathom the depth of ineptitude that CCP is showing here |
pyropwnsu
Offline.
6
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:15:00 -
[423] - Quote
please, DO NOT give out more LIMITED EDITION SHIPS. They were limited for a reason, and are valued very very highly for that reason.
Find something else to give away.
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Berstich
InterBus Central Division
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:55:00 -
[424] - Quote
Yay special snow flakes!
Id love to have a gold magate, there was only 1 you know, so to have this one would be awesome. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2398
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Posted - 2013.09.27 21:00:00 -
[425] - Quote
Kuni Oichi wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Oh, I think CCP will have a pretty good idea.
Sure, they could keep it all... and destroy their credibility with CCP and with the community in an incredibly high profile way. They would be literally chucking away their lucrative long term income stream for a (comparatively) tiny amount of ISK.
Granted, they would have a certain notoriety afterwards which might appeal to some, but I have a hard time believing they would be so INCREDIBLY STUPID as to do what people are suggesting.
Really, think about it folks.
It's entirely irrelevant what they've done in the past. Bad Bobby hadn't scammed anyone before he walked away with several hundred billion isk from his titan BPO scam. But it's equally irrelevant whether they scam or not. CCP is directly giving a player corporation in the PVP sandbox a massive advantage.
- Increased exposure will drive more customers to their income stream.
- The prizes given by CCP aren't costing Somer anything so they can give them away without cutting into their profits.
- X amount of those customers who sign up because of this will stay, increasing Somer's long-term revenue.
The reason this was a terrible idea is not that Somer might scam (in fact it would be the best outcome if they did) but that CCP is giving a direct advantage to a player corporation because they like them. Not because of a competition open to all with clear rules involved but out of direct favouritism. I like Somer, I can't fault them for what they're doing here, or the ludicrous amounts of ISK they make (though there isn't as much transparency as would appear), this is solely on CCP. Add in that Somer is purely a gambling site that has driven players to spend rl money on isk in order to fund their gambling addiction and it's patently obvious that instead CCP should have given these items to Goonswarm, the moral, sensible choice for receiving CCP bias.
I was just going to post after thinking about it this thought "in fact it would be the best outcome if they did".
I REALLY hope that is what happens because is SO EVE!
Issler |
Professional Forum Alt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.09.29 13:12:00 -
[426] - Quote
T20 is back :)
Any typos, spelling errors and bad grammer found, are free and yours to keep |
India99
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
16
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Posted - 2013.10.06 15:14:00 -
[427] - Quote
oh CCP Navigator where do you get these kind of ideas from? |
Tantius Achasse
The ExiIed Ones
2
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Posted - 2013.10.06 15:36:00 -
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Andrev Nox wrote:The original plan was for the CCP donated prizes to be a Bonk, and to roll the Bonk earnings straight back into the Eve Vegas sponsorship (detailed here: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/eve-vegas-2013-1/ ) But we wanted to give folks a chance at these hulls that didn't want to spend any ISK on our site too, so we moved the tickets to "any play" and are rolling any residual profit from this event back to the Vegas event sponsorship. Speaking of - make sure you seek me out while you're there if you get some free time. I'll be handing out said prizes all weekend :)
Even having the prizes as Bonks still only allows people who play Blink to participate. What chance do people who are banned from playing Blink for what are very frivolous reasons? I think what is getting a lot of peoples backs up is the fact you have to be a part of the blink club to even get a look in.
Shouldn't the opportunity to win be open for everyone? Are Blink going to be removing bans on people or is this just a case of "tough **** no prizes for you"? |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:27:00 -
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The most infuriating thing about this whole debacle is that people like me who demonstrate superior scam detection abilities ARE MATERIALLY, DOUBLY-ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THE FAVORITISM.
The only way to "win" at the Somer Blink ScamGäó IS TO NOT PLAY IT EVER.
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
So mad I unsubbed before I even got my 10yr anniversary swag.
so mad I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it. |
Sasha Vermane
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.
Here here. |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2633
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:14:00 -
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I just wanted to reiterate that I think this is a really stupid thread.
OP... you don't have any unique ships, so shut your mouth about their "value"
I have a fair unique ship collection including a GV. I think it's a shame there aren't more in game, and I think it's ludicrous to maintain the Gold Magnate model if nobody has one.
More ships is better than less ships. If you want money and power go break off a piece in null. Rare ships should not be a store of wealth. If a ship is rare CCP should make more of them. This is a GAME... about SPACESHIPS.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4724
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:20:00 -
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Xaen wrote:The most infuriating thing about this whole debacle is that people like me who demonstrate superior scam detection abilities ARE MATERIALLY, DOUBLY-ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THE FAVORITISM.
The only way to "win" at the Somer Blink ScamGäó IS TO NOT PLAY IT EVER.
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
So mad I unsubbed before I even got my 10yr anniversary swag.
so mad no, the way to win is to be them, and then get publicity, endorsement, praise and even special handouts from ccp There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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