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Esil Da
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:52:00 -
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When speaking about the design, i can tell only this: I could not understand why EVE Online desinger is still working (this person completely devoid of fantasy, only some kind of perverse thinking).Only few examples: Megathron - Bulldog without head, SOE amarr stations - Fish without tail, Raven - Raven fractured or cutted wing, possible talk and talk(need for that other thread). I'm not talking about the stratus, it is just a copy with some changes. The astero, like at reduced stratus with sharp angles (work with axe).
When i see others designers job and when looking at these, lack of words.
This is good game, has its own nuance, but it totally spoils: common sense baffled "balancing", 90% ships / structures design and gameplay changes (need for that other thread, just I'm tired to be Don Quixote ... Many experienced friends/players left this game for that .. All latest years "upgrades", mostly focused to newbies. |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:39:00 -
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In all likelyhood that will be the limited edition one. Remember they announced a special one as a Gift during a SomerBlink Blast (probably will see more given out beyond that, but that was the first)
I still want my 5th Drone, even if it means lowering the Drone Damage Bonus :( It's just wrong to have a droneboat that doesn't field 5 Heavy/Sentry. |
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
76
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:57:00 -
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So, this has probably been covered but will the stratios be able to handle low sec DED sites? Also, did I read somewhere that 3/10 and 4/10 DED sites are being added to low sec? I'm really hoping that any changes to drone damage/bandwidth will not have impacted too heavily on the use of this ship in low DEDs or I will just end up not bothering with this ship. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
778
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:09:00 -
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Accordign to CCP they tested adn were able to run 6/10 "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
76
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:12:00 -
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I did hear that. I'm just wondering whether this was before they reduced the bandwidth. |
Cheng Musana
BetaMax Beta
27
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:25:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Accordign to CCP they tested adn were able to run 6/10 Sure if i would have some of the dev modules or tons of officer modules i could pull that of aswell. But if you come up with a T2 fit you are screwed. |
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
69
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:31:00 -
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The claim of running 6/10 sites was before the nerf bat. |
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
76
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:41:00 -
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Thanks for confirming. Guessing I won't be bothering with the stratios after all then. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1098
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:59:00 -
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Posting to confirm that a fully-T2-fitted Stratios is able to successfully complete 5/10s. Or at least it completed the 5/10 I found. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
1846
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Posted - 2013.11.17 00:16:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Posting to confirm that a fully-T2-fitted Stratios is able to successfully complete 5/10s. Or at least it completed the 5/10 I found. What faction was it against? Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1098
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Posted - 2013.11.17 02:37:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Posting to confirm that a fully-T2-fitted Stratios is able to successfully complete 5/10s. Or at least it completed the 5/10 I found. What faction was it against?
Rogue Drones. |
Sgt Ocker
State War Academy Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.11.17 03:33:00 -
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I'm curious as to how the pricing structure for these ships came about. Currently there is only 1 location you can buy these ships for LP at the cheaper price and it is smack bang in the middle of goon space.
There was a rumour of 2 more agents being added but as they are not mentioned in the upcoming patch notes thought I'd ask. |
Dato Koppla
Retribution Innovations
363
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:00:00 -
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Even with the nerf to bandwith I'm pretty sure that the Stratios will still be able to do all the 6/10 DEDs, didn't test it on Sisi but the stats are similar to an Ishtar that I have used for those sites. |
Esil Da
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.11.17 06:48:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Accordign to CCP they tested adn were able to run 6/10
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Posting to confirm that a fully-T2-fitted Stratios is able to successfully complete 5/10s. Or at least it completed the 5/10 I found. What faction was it against? Rogue Drones.
You can do everything, nothing is impossible, but at what price he is going on? if not hurry,possible clean and with very weak ship, BUT for that need: all experience what you have, incredible risk lost the ship(CCP tested with maybe 1000isk, you go with ship/modules cost 500mil minimum, run the higest than 4/10DED), many rewarps and many time. How you think clean WH sleepers i don't know absolutely.
Stratus focus using is lasers, lasers has only EM/Thermal damage type, that good only to: Sansha nations, Drones & Sleepers. From this list sleepers can remove, because with this Stratus you can't run theys, sleepers has incredible aggro to drones, you lost theys tons before finish one lowest strengh anomaly in WH, if not solo grab falcon/Scorpion. Solo explorers i think is more, than explorers fleet.
Only Minmatar and Caldari have all damage types and COMPATIBLE CLEAN DEDs So, stratus is not only that there is weak in every sense, but does not have and damage type when need. Result = Guristas, Serpentis & Angel cartel type NPC YOU hit with lower dps(If change galente drones to other, theys have lower dps too).
Best loot is only in WH, Guristas, Serpentis & Angel cartel DED's And what need think?? CCP wants peoples sent cleaning to not useful DED's, OR clean others with reduced DPS from weak Stratus DPS. I write before, Stratus normal usage is in UNDER 4/10 DED's best choice for newbies or who run thats sites. Not remember when, but after "CCP upgrade", with T3 can't clean 4/10, but with other Cruisers OR BC can fly in(T3 is cruiser). Such action is common sense incomprehensible, again that is for money or is incompetent??? |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
118
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Posted - 2013.11.17 08:53:00 -
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Quote:Stratus focus using is lasers, lasers has only EM/Thermal damage type, that good only to: Sansha nations, Drones & Sleepers. From this list sleepers can remove, because with this Stratus you can't run theys, sleepers has incredible aggro to drones, you lost theys tons before finish one lowest strengh anomaly in WH, if not solo grab Falcon/Scorpion(for jamming sleepers). Solo explorers i think is more(because sharing so poor reward, i am not see sense), than explorers fleet(using alt account can only WH/Nullsec, Hi/low sec rewards is too weak, plus PLEX raised price)
The only drones you'll lose in C2/C3 sites if you know what you're doing are Hobs, and you can carry tons and tons of spares for those. |
Esil Da
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.11.17 09:24:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Quote:Stratus focus using is lasers, lasers has only EM/Thermal damage type, that good only to: Sansha nations, Drones & Sleepers. From this list sleepers can remove, because with this Stratus you can't run theys, sleepers has incredible aggro to drones, you lost theys tons before finish one lowest strengh anomaly in WH, if not solo grab Falcon/Scorpion(for jamming sleepers). Solo explorers i think is more(because sharing so poor reward, i am not see sense), than explorers fleet(using alt account can only WH/Nullsec, Hi/low sec rewards is too weak, plus PLEX raised price) The only drones you'll lose in C2/C3 sites if you know what you're doing are Hobs, and you can carry tons and tons of spares for those.
(can't corectly translate and understand post) If your experience allows them to use there then good. But I do not think that patriotic masochistic act worthy that. I write before, price Stratus very close to T3, defence and offensive incredibly different. WH, Low & Hi/sec are dangerous systems, if you do not work fast, you DIE. If not from NPC, DIE from peoples. For this risk try grab few less expensive loot is stupid, but get adrenalin |
Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation MinTek Conglomerate
58
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Posted - 2013.11.17 14:59:00 -
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Would still be nice to have 50% scan strength bonus. |
Cheng Musana
BetaMax Beta
27
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:02:00 -
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I think with the upcoming mobile depot and T3 refit in space we can agree that a T3 will be much more capable for exploration then the stratios. Sure you need more SP to fly it but you are granted to be actually capable to do sites. Seriously who is going to buy a stratios if they can fly a T3 for the same reason? have a cloaked exploration fit with interdiction nullified for relic/data sites and if you find a decent combat site refit in a safespot. |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
119
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:15:00 -
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Cheng Musana wrote:I think with the upcoming mobile depot and T3 refit in space we can agree that a T3 will be much more capable for exploration then the stratios. Sure you need more SP to fly it but you are granted to be actually capable to do sites. Seriously who is going to buy a stratios if they can fly a T3 for the same reason? have a cloaked exploration fit with interdiction nullified for relic/data sites and if you find a decent combat site refit in a safespot.
Yeah, T3s are always going to be better PvE platforms. You can fly around in a covert nullified Tengu with four cargo expanders, probe launcher, relic/data analyzers, salvagers, and tractor beams. Then when you find some PvE content to kill, just refit to your 6x HAM config, go run it, and then if you need to salvage just switch back and go salvage.
Stratios is a pure PvP gank boat at this point, because nothing makes up for being able to uncloak on top of people. |
Naxirian
Albion Reborn
9
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:41:00 -
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So..... been fiddling around with setups.... I can't believe how overpowered these ships are for PvP purposes. You can get a Stratios to 700-800 dps with 50k EHP *and* a covert ops cloak. I believe we just witnessed the death of all the other PvP cruisers. There's simply no reason to use them, ever, if you can get hold of one of these. They're superior in combat *and* they can cloak. The Stratios needs seriously looking at. Even the Astero can do 150 dps and have just under 10k EHP, with a covert ops cloak. That's just ridiculously OP.
Given the SoE's peaceful intentions they should remove the ability to fit warp disruptors/scramblers to them or something, to prevent them from being used as solo-wtf-fu-pwnmobiles in PvP. |
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Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
107
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Posted - 2013.11.17 18:09:00 -
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Naxirian wrote:So..... been fiddling around with setups.... I can't believe how overpowered these ships are for PvP purposes. You can get a Stratios to 700-800 dps with 50k EHP *and* a covert ops cloak. I believe we just witnessed the death of all the other PvP cruisers. There's simply no reason to use them, ever, if you can get hold of one of these. They're superior in combat *and* they can cloak. The Stratios needs seriously looking at. Even the Astero can do 150 dps and have just under 10k EHP, with a covert ops cloak. That's just ridiculously OP.
Given the SoE's peaceful intentions they should remove the ability to fit warp disruptors/scramblers to them or something, to prevent them from being used as solo-wtf-fu-pwnmobiles in PvP, but still capable of defending themselves. Right now they're basically mediocre exploration ships with incredible PvP abilities. Which is wrong.
I feel that this really should be looked at by the powers that be. These should be seen as primarily exploration ships and as Nax says, it looks like they will be pretty mediocre in that role. Come on guys...you've still got a couple of days to tweek these ships. Stick the extra drone bandwidth back on the stratios at least! If these could be seens as viable ships for low sec exploration, which I believe they aren't really at the moment, then your plans to get more people out of high sec might actually work! |
Naxirian
Albion Reborn
10
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Posted - 2013.11.17 18:10:00 -
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Orionos Irvam wrote:Naxirian wrote:So..... been fiddling around with setups.... I can't believe how overpowered these ships are for PvP purposes. You can get a Stratios to 700-800 dps with 50k EHP *and* a covert ops cloak. I believe we just witnessed the death of all the other PvP cruisers. There's simply no reason to use them, ever, if you can get hold of one of these. They're superior in combat *and* they can cloak. The Stratios needs seriously looking at. Even the Astero can do 150 dps and have just under 10k EHP, with a covert ops cloak. That's just ridiculously OP.
Given the SoE's peaceful intentions they should remove the ability to fit warp disruptors/scramblers to them or something, to prevent them from being used as solo-wtf-fu-pwnmobiles in PvP, but still capable of defending themselves. Right now they're basically mediocre exploration ships with incredible PvP abilities. Which is wrong. I feel that this really should be looked at by the powers that be. These should be seen as primarily exploration ships and as Nax says, it looks like they will be pretty mediocre in that role. Come on guys...you've still got a couple of days to tweek these ships. Stick the extra drone bandwidth back on the stratios at least! If these could be seens as viable ships for low sec exploration, which I believe they aren't really at the moment, then your plans to get more people out of high sec might actually work!
Indeed, I added a little more to my post after that. The bonus for tanking is wrong imo.
This seems like a really weird move considering CCP has been focused entirely on balancing the ships out lately, then introduces a new ship that makes all the old cruisers, even some of the T2 ones, completely obselete. This is *not* a balanced ship, and the bonuses are wrong for a ship intended for exploration. |
Dehval
Risk Breakers Fidelas Constans
37
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:56:00 -
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Orionos Irvam wrote:Naxirian wrote:So..... been fiddling around with setups.... I can't believe how overpowered these ships are for PvP purposes. You can get a Stratios to 700-800 dps with 50k EHP *and* a covert ops cloak. I believe we just witnessed the death of all the other PvP cruisers. There's simply no reason to use them, ever, if you can get hold of one of these. They're superior in combat *and* they can cloak. The Stratios needs seriously looking at. Even the Astero can do 150 dps and have just under 10k EHP, with a covert ops cloak. That's just ridiculously OP.
Given the SoE's peaceful intentions they should remove the ability to fit warp disruptors/scramblers to them or something, to prevent them from being used as solo-wtf-fu-pwnmobiles in PvP, but still capable of defending themselves. Right now they're basically mediocre exploration ships with incredible PvP abilities. Which is wrong. I feel that this really should be looked at by the powers that be. These should be seen as primarily exploration ships and as Nax says, it looks like they will be pretty mediocre in that role. Come on guys...you've still got a couple of days to tweek these ships. Stick the extra drone bandwidth back on the stratios at least! If these could be seens as viable ships for low sec exploration, which I believe they aren't really at the moment, then your plans to get more people out of high sec might actually work! Putting artificial restrictions on the ship is not a good way to go about balancing. It is a cheap cop out that goes against the sandbox design of the game by removing options for players. It should only be used as a balancing tool as an absolute last resort.
I do agree that the ship needs an active tank bonus over passive. Swapping the bonuses (Amarr 10% drone, Gallente 7.5% rep) would probably be about right as they still fit their racial lines. I am also slightly leaning towards the idea that the ship is lacking in the tanking department to complete most/all low-sec sites, but we are not given access to dedspace or faction modules. Even C-types are a drastic increase in performance over T2 for a very little increase in relative cost compared to the hull so I would suggest waiting until the ship hits live before you make a final verdict. If not then maybe a redistribution of a mid to low is in order (1 less slot for application, can't dual-web and fit a Cap booster to run the active tank).
I also cannot agree to the reducing of the damage bonus to return the ship's 5th drone. It would result in roughly the same dps, but the drone bay would now be relatively smaller. No longer being able to fit 4 flights spare of heavies/sentries but instead only 3 + 5 lights. Seems like people's desire to sedate their self-diagnosed 'OCD' would end up harming the ship more than helping it. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
155
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:59:00 -
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Naxirian wrote: -snip- That's just ridiculously OP. -snip-
A 1000dps Vigilant with a 90% web is totally fine, a 800dps very very large Angel frigate (Cynabel) is fine and the Gila with 900dps is fine. How is a 700dps cloaky Maller op?
There are only three things wrong with the Stratios, some values on the hull and a typo with the drone bandwidth:
Stratios with level V fitting skills has - 2432hp shield <- ? - 3000hp armor - 3042hp hull <- ? - 100mbit drone bandwidth <- you meant 125mbit of course
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1920 (-30) / 2400 / 2480 (+30) <- there you go
Now if we would drop one turret slot (makes 3 instead of 4) and give it a 5 or 7.5% damage bonus to lasers, all will be fine. (That frees up one high that can be fitted with something you like) signature |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1108
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:06:00 -
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I have two Stratios on SiSi. One is fully T2 and the other is fully deadspace/faction except for turrets which are T2 w/T2 and Dark Blood crystals.
When you spend five billion ISK on a super-ultra-shiny Stratios.. yeah, it's pretty impressive.
That reminds me, actually - CCP, can we please get some faction DDAs? My Paladin has Dark Blood heatsinks, my Vargur has Republic Fleet gyros but my Shinios only has DDA IIs. Actual drone pilots everywhere (I'm not a drone pilot, but I play one on SiSi) would probably rejoice and forgive you for changing the NPC AI (even though it was a good change). |
Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
68
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:16:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:I'm curious as to how the pricing structure for these ships came about. Currently there is only 1 location you can buy these ships for LP at the cheaper price and it is smack bang in the middle of goon space.
There was a rumour of 2 more agents being added but as they are not mentioned in the upcoming patch notes thought I'd ask.
Those mission agents will also be smack-dang in the middle of The Sanctuary, which is nestled nicely in Goon space. Not biased at all. No, really!
Southeast gets the shaft (AGAIN) with Thukkers kind of sucking rewards-wise due to being both high and nullsec. |
sabastyian
Death By Design
10
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Posted - 2013.11.18 04:11:00 -
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Naxirian wrote:So..... been fiddling around with setups.... I can't believe how overpowered these ships are for PvP purposes. You can get a Stratios to 700-800 dps with 50k EHP *and* a covert ops cloak. I believe we just witnessed the death of all the other PvP cruisers. There's simply no reason to use them, ever, if you can get hold of one of these. They're superior in combat *and* they can cloak. The Stratios needs seriously looking at. Even the Astero can do 150 dps and have just under 10k EHP, with a covert ops cloak. That's just ridiculously OP.
Given the SoE's peaceful intentions they should remove the ability to fit warp disruptors/scramblers to them or something, to prevent them from being used as solo-wtf-fu-pwnmobiles in PvP, but still capable of defending themselves. Right now they're basically mediocre exploration ships (the Stratios doesn't have a particularly impressive active tank, which is required for sites like the Angel Minor Annex), with *incredible* PvP abilities. Which is wrong.
They could have used an active tank bonus instead of a buffer tank bonus. I don't understand why they got a buffer bonus for a ship intended for PvE and exploration. Surely an active tank rep amount bonus would have been more beneficial for it's intended role. Instead it has a resist bonus, turning it into a monster buffer tank for a cruiser sized ship. It's essentially a gank Thorax with almost double the EHP and a cloaking device.
I ran some angel site, went heavy tank ( wasn't a ded, combat site ) and, my perfect skilled gardes and ogres were having trouble killing a bs, so were my bouncers and berserker's. I got triple webbed, pointed...and pretty much blap'd.... it can tank, as long as it isnt webbed, second it gets webbed, it dies to like 6 npc bs.... |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1115
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Posted - 2013.11.18 08:35:00 -
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sabastyian wrote:I ran some angel site, went heavy tank ( wasn't a ded, combat site ) and, my perfect skilled gardes and ogres were having trouble killing a bs, so were my bouncers and berserker's. I got triple webbed, pointed...and pretty much blap'd.... it can tank, as long as it isnt webbed, second it gets webbed, it dies to like 6 npc bs....
Can you do all of us a favor for the sake of scientific accuracy? Pick another pirate cruiser - any other pirate cruiser (though armor-tanked is better for consistency) and run it through the same type of Angel site (or a comparable one, but make sure it's Angels) and get webbed. See if that cruiser, while webbed, holds up to six NPC BS raining death on you any better than the Stratios did. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
779
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Posted - 2013.11.18 09:27:00 -
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elitatwo wrote:Naxirian wrote: -snip- That's just ridiculously OP. -snip-
A 1000dps Vigilant with a 90% web is totally fine, a 800dps very very large Angel frigate (Cynabel) is fine and the Gila with 900dps is fine. How is a 700dps cloaky Maller op? There are only three things wrong with the Stratios, some values on the hull and a typo with the drone bandwidth: Stratios with level V fitting skills has - 2432hp shield <- ? - 3000hp armor - 3042hp hull <- ? - 100mbit drone bandwidth <- you meant 125mbit of course Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1920 (-30) / 2400 / 2480 (+30) <- there you go Now if we would drop one turret slot (makes 3 instead of 4) and give it a 5 or 7.5% damage bonus to lasers, all will be fine. (That frees up one high that can be fitted with something you like)
first.. Cynabal does nto reach 800 dps with proper ammunition and fittings. with 3 damage mods you will be a bit over 600 dps. And its no where as fast or agile as a frigate. Its faster than other cruisers, but stop exagerating.
Second, warping cloak is second most powerful capability any ship can have in game, just after jump bridges.
Did you ever stopped to check how many rapiers and arazus dies around eve comapred to hacs? Know why? because of the cloak, at least doubles their survivability. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
elitatwo
Congregatio
155
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Posted - 2013.11.18 16:41:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: first.. Cynabal does nto reach 800 dps with proper ammunition and fittings. with 3 damage mods you will be a bit over 600 dps. And its no where as fast or agile as a frigate. Its faster than other cruisers, but stop exagerating.
Second, warping cloak is second most powerful capability any ship can have in game, just after jump bridges.
Did you ever stopped to check how many rapiers and arazus dies around eve comapred to hacs? Know why? because of the cloak, at least doubles their survivability.
Well if the Gila would have at least enough cpu to put something of value on her highslots, you could put an improved cloak on. She cant warp cloaked but sit there forever and wait for pray.
And remember as soon as you uncloak the Stratios, you have to wait a little before you can put a target lock on to anything.
If your target happends to be a HAC or cruiser, you may be out of luck since those can simply warp away, while you wait for your 'sensors to calibrate'. The local might even give away your presents, even thou nobody can see you.
And let's be clear on one thing, you have to sit on your targets windshield, preferably scrammed and webbed him and your drones out and orbiting your target perfectly or this magically 700-800dps is all but fiction or you are shooting a space wall. signature |
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