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wowyouareacow
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:04:00 -
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Hi. Do SOMER Blink really make a positive contribution to the community? I thought they were just a "casino" organisation that hosted a gambling game which requires no skill, and due to rake, ultimately loses the players money.
Am I missing something here with SOMER? Is there some skill based element to their game? |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
792
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:05:00 -
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yep |
baltec1
Bat Country
8154
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:07:00 -
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I have a system! |
Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:15:00 -
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They undoubtedly do make some form of positive contribution, as a lottery/gaming institution that sponsors various events and groups with Isk taken from the stupid and the addicted.
As with any fixed odds lottery/roulette style game you only lose when you win, due to not being paid out at the appropriate odds for your gamble and bless them for taking advantage so spectacularly of this defect in human reasoning, and redistributing the cash as a result, most to themselves and some to various player initiatives in need of a boost in the form of sponsorship/advertising.
By that token I fully approve of Somer Gambling activities in game, even if I wholly disapprove of their recent murky dealings with CCP. |
Braxus Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
220
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:16:00 -
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Cierra Royce wrote:By that token I fully approve of Somer Gambling activities in game, even if I wholly disapprove of their recent murky dealings with CCP.
+1 for all the hate Somer are getting because of this, they're a good organisation. They sponsor a huge amount of in-game events and corps. I remember them consistently sponsoring certain aspects of RvB when I was in it, and it was great. |
Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
13
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:41:00 -
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Braxus Deninard wrote:Cierra Royce wrote:By that token I fully approve of Somer Gambling activities in game, even if I wholly disapprove of their recent murky dealings with CCP. +1 for all the hate Somer are getting because of this, they're a good organisation. They sponsor a huge amount of in-game events and corps. I remember them consistently sponsoring certain aspects of RvB when I was in it, and it was great.
One can wonder how they made the ISK they spend sponsoring. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
61
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:43:00 -
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Because the house always wins |
Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:44:00 -
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Jonas Staal wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:Cierra Royce wrote:By that token I fully approve of Somer Gambling activities in game, even if I wholly disapprove of their recent murky dealings with CCP. +1 for all the hate Somer are getting because of this, they're a good organisation. They sponsor a huge amount of in-game events and corps. I remember them consistently sponsoring certain aspects of RvB when I was in it, and it was great. One can wonder how they made the ISK they spend sponsoring.
They took it from the stupids mainly and that's no bad thing. |
Prince Kobol
992
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:52:00 -
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wowyouareacow wrote:Hi. Do SOMER Blink really make a positive contribution to the community? I thought they were just a "casino" organisation that hosted a gambling game which requires no skill, and due to rake, ultimately loses the players money.
Am I missing something here with SOMER? Is there a skill based element to their game?
Whats your point?
Some people will say Somer have made massive contributions to the community with the donations they have made (more then any other Eve Entity)
Others will say grrr they are a gambling site.
Its purely subjective, there is no yes or no answer. |
Prince Kobol
992
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:54:00 -
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Jonas Staal wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:Cierra Royce wrote:By that token I fully approve of Somer Gambling activities in game, even if I wholly disapprove of their recent murky dealings with CCP. +1 for all the hate Somer are getting because of this, they're a good organisation. They sponsor a huge amount of in-game events and corps. I remember them consistently sponsoring certain aspects of RvB when I was in it, and it was great. One can wonder how they made the ISK they spend sponsoring.
So what?
The fact they actually care enough to give back is more then what most do.
People in Eve make billions by scamming other people yet that is within the nature of Eve and is fine.
I don't see any of them sponsoring events... |
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Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
152
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:00:00 -
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no The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:02:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Jonas Staal wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:Cierra Royce wrote:By that token I fully approve of Somer Gambling activities in game, even if I wholly disapprove of their recent murky dealings with CCP. +1 for all the hate Somer are getting because of this, they're a good organisation. They sponsor a huge amount of in-game events and corps. I remember them consistently sponsoring certain aspects of RvB when I was in it, and it was great. One can wonder how they made the ISK they spend sponsoring. So what? The fact they actually care enough to give back is more then what most do. People in Eve make billions by scamming other people yet that is within the nature of Eve and is fine. I don't see any of them sponsoring events...
Actually some of them do.
Erotica1 an honest Isk doubler who has been occasionally accused of scamming by poor sports, gifted multiple billions to the New Order for the purpose of allowing James 315 to reimburse catalysts lost by knights in their high sec crusade.
Goonwaffe have provided prizes for various in game events, to Goon and Pubbie alike such as Burn Jita and the later Hulkageddons. |
Prince Kobol
994
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:05:00 -
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Cierra Royce wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Jonas Staal wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:Cierra Royce wrote:By that token I fully approve of Somer Gambling activities in game, even if I wholly disapprove of their recent murky dealings with CCP. +1 for all the hate Somer are getting because of this, they're a good organisation. They sponsor a huge amount of in-game events and corps. I remember them consistently sponsoring certain aspects of RvB when I was in it, and it was great. One can wonder how they made the ISK they spend sponsoring. So what? The fact they actually care enough to give back is more then what most do. People in Eve make billions by scamming other people yet that is within the nature of Eve and is fine. I don't see any of them sponsoring events... Actually some of them do. Erotica1 an honest Isk doubler who has been occasionally accused of scamming by poor sports, gifted multiple billions to the New Order for the purpose of allowing James 315 to reimburse catalysts lost by knights in their high sec crusade. Goonwaffe have provided prizes for various in game events, to Goon and Pubbie alike such as Burn Jita and the later Hulkageddons.
That is great, however a lot of people still hate the goons and would love to see them burn
Like I said, there isn't a simple yes or no answer.
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
792
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:14:00 -
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Cierra Royce wrote: Actually some of them do.
Erotica1 an honest Isk doubler who has been occasionally accused of scamming by poor sports, gifted multiple billions to the New Order for the purpose of allowing James 315 to reimburse catalysts lost by knights in their high sec crusade.
Goonwaffe have provided prizes for various in game events, to Goon and Pubbie alike such as Burn Jita and the later Hulkageddons.
SOMER gives all the players chance to win
Ero1 - to New Order Goons - to gankers
Yes, i see no difference here |
Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
14
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:38:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Jonas Staal wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:Cierra Royce wrote:By that token I fully approve of Somer Gambling activities in game, even if I wholly disapprove of their recent murky dealings with CCP. +1 for all the hate Somer are getting because of this, they're a good organisation. They sponsor a huge amount of in-game events and corps. I remember them consistently sponsoring certain aspects of RvB when I was in it, and it was great. One can wonder how they made the ISK they spend sponsoring. So what? The fact they actually care enough to give back is more then what most do. People in Eve make billions by scamming other people yet that is within the nature of Eve and is fine. I don't see any of them sponsoring events...
Give me 100bil and I will make sure 80bil finds it's way to sponsering :). |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1252
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:46:00 -
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Not empty quoting *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Savnire Jacitu
FRONTLiNE GRP.
183
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:47:00 -
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Had to sell my pants to keep blinking <corrupt> |
Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:55:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Cierra Royce wrote: Actually some of them do.
Erotica1 an honest Isk doubler who has been occasionally accused of scamming by poor sports, gifted multiple billions to the New Order for the purpose of allowing James 315 to reimburse catalysts lost by knights in their high sec crusade.
Goonwaffe have provided prizes for various in game events, to Goon and Pubbie alike such as Burn Jita and the later Hulkageddons.
SOMER gives all the players chance to win Ero1 - to New Order Goons - to gankers Yes, i see no difference here
Any one can pick up a cat and do their duty in high sec and James will foot the bill from the donations, they don't have to be members of any specific New Order organisation.
Your perceived difference is besides the point really, in both cases the Isk was given out to good causes as defined by the doners, whether to altruistically promote the rule of law and order in high sec as in the case of Erotica1 or to promote and expand a private gambling empire in the case of Somer.
Both gave something back to the community, not that this entitles them to any special reward other than our thanks for expanding the scope of what's possible. |
Chance Harper
Northen Star Corporation
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:24:00 -
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wowyouareacow wrote:Hi. Do SOMER Blink really make a positive contribution to the community? I thought they were just a "casino" organisation that hosted a gambling game which requires no skill, and due to rake, ultimately loses the players money.
Am I missing something here with SOMER? Is there a skill based element to their game?
I wouldnt call it skill. With some Logic and paying attention, you can figure out pretty fast how to make ISK on SomerBlink! Every Month i buy a 60Day GTC via the Somer Affiliate system. Which in return gives you 200 Mill. Somer Credits.
First i turn those 200 Mill into 600 Mill. by buying Tickets for smaller prices, like BC or Tech3 Cruisers. Then when i have the 600 Mill. I go for the Carriers or other Cap ships and in no time i can claim a win of 1.5 - 2 Bill. ISK
In the end i didnt even had to invest anything cuz i got those 200 Mill. credits as a gift for buying the GTC. So in the end you get the value of 5 PLEX for the price of 2. |
Disdaine
435
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:32:00 -
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Somers altruistic contributions to the community are truly praiseworthy.
It's like all those benevolent cigarette companies that used to sponsor sporting events out of the kindness of their hearts. |
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
792
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:43:00 -
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Cierra Royce wrote:March rabbit wrote:Cierra Royce wrote: Actually some of them do.
Erotica1 an honest Isk doubler who has been occasionally accused of scamming by poor sports, gifted multiple billions to the New Order for the purpose of allowing James 315 to reimburse catalysts lost by knights in their high sec crusade.
Goonwaffe have provided prizes for various in game events, to Goon and Pubbie alike such as Burn Jita and the later Hulkageddons.
SOMER gives all the players chance to win Ero1 - to New Order Goons - to gankers Yes, i see no difference here Any one can pick up a cat and do their duty in high sec and James will foot the bill from the donations, they don't have to be members of any specific New Order organisation. Your perceived difference is besides the point really, in both cases the Isk was given out to good causes as defined by the donors, whether to altruistically promote the rule of law and order in high sec as in the case of Erotica1 or to promote and expand a private gambling empire in the case of Somer. Both gave something back to the community, not that this entitles them to any special reward other than our thanks for expanding the scope of what's possible. you missed the point
or you don't but being goon makes you evade it
Anyway everybody who is not brainwashed like goon will see the difference between SOMER and Ero/goons |
Disdaine
436
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:45:00 -
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Chance Harper wrote:wowyouareacow wrote:Hi. Do SOMER Blink really make a positive contribution to the community? I thought they were just a "casino" organisation that hosted a gambling game which requires no skill, and due to rake, ultimately loses the players money.
Am I missing something here with SOMER? Is there a skill based element to their game? I wouldnt call it skill. With some Logic and paying attention, you can figure out pretty fast how to make ISK on SomerBlink! Every Month i buy a 60Day GTC via the Somer Affiliate system. Which in return gives you 200 Mill. Somer Credits. First i turn those 200 Mill into 600 Mill. by buying Tickets for smaller prices, like BC or Tech3 Cruisers. Then when i have the 600 Mill. I go for the Carriers or other Cap ships and in no time i can claim a win of 1.5 - 2 Bill. ISK In the end i didnt even had to invest anything cuz i got those 200 Mill. credits as a gift for buying the GTC. So in the end you get the value of 5 PLEX for the price of 2.
Sssshhh , you gave the secret away , now Somers going to go broke.
Feel free to send me some isk for my foolproof roulette system. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
379
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:05:00 -
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yes they redistribute wealth from the rich and stupid to better uses |
Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:26:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Cierra Royce wrote:March rabbit wrote:Cierra Royce wrote: Actually some of them do.
Erotica1 an honest Isk doubler who has been occasionally accused of scamming by poor sports, gifted multiple billions to the New Order for the purpose of allowing James 315 to reimburse catalysts lost by knights in their high sec crusade.
Goonwaffe have provided prizes for various in game events, to Goon and Pubbie alike such as Burn Jita and the later Hulkageddons.
SOMER gives all the players chance to win Ero1 - to New Order Goons - to gankers Yes, i see no difference here Any one can pick up a cat and do their duty in high sec and James will foot the bill from the donations, they don't have to be members of any specific New Order organisation. Your perceived difference is besides the point really, in both cases the Isk was given out to good causes as defined by the donors, whether to altruistically promote the rule of law and order in high sec as in the case of Erotica1 or to promote and expand a private gambling empire in the case of Somer. Both gave something back to the community, not that this entitles them to any special reward other than our thanks for expanding the scope of what's possible. you missed the point or you don't but being goon makes you evade it Anyway everybody who is not brainwashed like goon will see the difference between SOMER and Ero/goons
What is the point you are arguing here? The claim I addressed there was that Somer was handing out bags of Isk as sponsorship which was more than most do, and I provided two example counterpoints, that I know of there are more.
The fact I proudly bear the Goonflagge aloft whilst praising his Imperial Majesty Mittens I and singing 'little bees' all the while isn't at issue here. It doesn't colour my judgement at all. |
Becham
Mufa Thukker Industries Why So Super Seri0Us
6
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:18:00 -
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Sure they do. Look at all the free drama we're getting thanks to them! |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
792
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:17:00 -
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Cierra Royce wrote: What is the point you are arguing here? The claim I addressed there was that Somer was handing out bags of Isk as sponsorship which was more than most do, and I provided two example counterpoints, that I know of there are more.
point is: SOMER gives chance to each player (you only need to register and you already in the party) while two others only target some part of playerbase (gankers, bumpers, etc). This way i can be called "great donor" because i often send ISK to my alts.
Quote:The fact I proudly bear the Goonflagge aloft whilst praising his Imperial Majesty Mittens I and singing 'little bees' all the while isn't at issue here. It doesn't colour my judgement at all. yes it does. It is very obvious from your own posts
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YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:29:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Cierra Royce wrote: What is the point you are arguing here? The claim I addressed there was that Somer was handing out bags of Isk as sponsorship which was more than most do, and I provided two example counterpoints, that I know of there are more.
point is: SOMER gives chance to each player (you only need to register and you already in the party) while two others only target some part of playerbase (gankers, bumpers, etc). This way i can be called "great donor" because i often send ISK to my alts. Quote:The fact I proudly bear the Goonflagge aloft whilst praising his Imperial Majesty Mittens I and singing 'little bees' all the while isn't at issue here. It doesn't colour my judgement at all. yes it does. It is very obvious from your own posts
Not every player. There are droves of players banned for reasons ranging anywhere from expressing 'the wrong opinion' on the forums or chat, to personal grudges. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:33:00 -
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Yes |
Prince Kobol
1006
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:34:00 -
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Cierra Royce wrote:March rabbit wrote:Cierra Royce wrote:March rabbit wrote:Cierra Royce wrote: Actually some of them do.
Erotica1 an honest Isk doubler who has been occasionally accused of scamming by poor sports, gifted multiple billions to the New Order for the purpose of allowing James 315 to reimburse catalysts lost by knights in their high sec crusade.
Goonwaffe have provided prizes for various in game events, to Goon and Pubbie alike such as Burn Jita and the later Hulkageddons.
SOMER gives all the players chance to win Ero1 - to New Order Goons - to gankers Yes, i see no difference here Any one can pick up a cat and do their duty in high sec and James will foot the bill from the donations, they don't have to be members of any specific New Order organisation. Your perceived difference is besides the point really, in both cases the Isk was given out to good causes as defined by the donors, whether to altruistically promote the rule of law and order in high sec as in the case of Erotica1 or to promote and expand a private gambling empire in the case of Somer. Both gave something back to the community, not that this entitles them to any special reward other than our thanks for expanding the scope of what's possible. you missed the point or you don't but being goon makes you evade it Anyway everybody who is not brainwashed like goon will see the difference between SOMER and Ero/goons What is the point you are arguing here? The claim I addressed there was that Somer was handing out bags of Isk as sponsorship which was more than most do, and I provided two example counterpoints, that I know of there are more. The fact I proudly bear the Goonflagge aloft whilst praising his Imperial Majesty Mittens I and singing 'little bees' all the while isn't at issue here. It doesn't colour my judgement at all.
I agree.
Lets make something clear, I am in no way affiliated with the goons (I'm in FinFleet for gods sake lol) yet I still applaud any group, including the goons that help sponsor player driven events.
Whether it be Somer sponsoring billions of isk or the Goons funding events like Hulkageddon, its all good and the more the better.
My original point is that to discuss whether Somer make a positive contribution is pointless due to everybody having their own personal opinions and most of them valid.
The same argument could be made for the Goons.
Many people have a irrational hatred for the Goons yet I would argue that having the goons in Eve makes Eve a better game.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4760
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:35:00 -
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YesYes NoNoNo wrote:March rabbit wrote:Cierra Royce wrote: What is the point you are arguing here? The claim I addressed there was that Somer was handing out bags of Isk as sponsorship which was more than most do, and I provided two example counterpoints, that I know of there are more.
point is: SOMER gives chance to each player (you only need to register and you already in the party) while two others only target some part of playerbase (gankers, bumpers, etc). This way i can be called "great donor" because i often send ISK to my alts. Quote:The fact I proudly bear the Goonflagge aloft whilst praising his Imperial Majesty Mittens I and singing 'little bees' all the while isn't at issue here. It doesn't colour my judgement at all. yes it does. It is very obvious from your own posts Not every player. There are droves of players banned for reasons ranging anywhere from expressing 'the wrong opinion' on the forums or chat, to personal grudges. Well if the group that ccp likes disapproves of you, you must be a Bad Person (tm) like a ganker There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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