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Ideafix Ergel
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.12 18:55:00 -
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Hi guys, so im playing about a month now, started as caldari and i have read that most ppl in forums suggests not to train missiles and that caldari are very weak right now. so basically i would like to hear your opinions on should i cross train into some other race, like minmatar or should i stick to caldari here are my skills as of today:
Armor level4 Hull Upgrades level3 Mechanics level1 Repair Systems
Drones Combat Drone Operation level1 Drone Durability level2 Drone Navigation level3 Drones level4 Salvage Drone Operation level1 Scout Drone Operation level3
Electronic Systems level1 Electronic Warfare level1 Propulsion Jamming level3 Target Painting
Engineering level3 Capacitor Management level3 Capacitor Systems Operation level4 CPU Management level1 Electronics Upgrades level4 Energy Grid Upgrades level4 Power Grid Management level4 Weapon Upgrades
Gunnery level1 Controlled Bursts level3 Gunnery level2 Motion Prediction level1 Rapid Firing level1 Sharpshooter level3 Small Hybrid Turret
Missiles level1 Auto-Targeting Missiles level3 Heavy Assault Missiles level3 Heavy Missiles level3 Light Missiles level3 Missile Bombardment level4 Missile Launcher Operation level3 Missile Projection level3 Rapid Launch level3 Target Navigation Prediction
Navigation level4 Afterburner level1 High Speed Maneuvering level3 Navigation
Neural Enhancement level1 Cybernetics
Rigging level1 Jury Rigging
Shields level1 Shield Compensation level2 Shield Management level4 Shield Operation level4 Shield Upgrades level4 Tactical Shield Manipulation
Spaceship Command level2 Caldari Battlecruiser level3 Caldari Cruiser level3 Caldari Destroyer level3 Caldari Frigate level3 Spaceship Command
Targeting level1 Long Range Targeting level1 Signature Analysis level3 Target Management
as of my plans: im playing with two friends. and my own plans - farm lvl 4, then lvl 5 maybe and then incursions someday. and joining ally for some sort of pvp maybe.
i would be really thankful for your help and suggestions |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.12.12 18:58:00 -
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Depends on what you are trying to do.
There are plenty of workable Caldari ships, but its not "get a drake and sit in it for the next three years" Caldari skill progression any longer. |
Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:05:00 -
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Don't spread your training too much. Caldari missiles have their place, and balance shifts happen all the time. Focus your training in what you want to do, and if you want to do more, train an alt for that.
Your skills are well on the way for caldari missileboats. |
Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:08:00 -
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Here's a fast fit to aim for to solo L4's in a Raven. It's based on shooting from outside NPC range with microjump drive, so that you can skimp on tank and fit more dps with even low skillpoints.
Do not fly it before you can fit all of the t2 mods though, co-processor, launchers and shield boost amplifier are the only exceptions to this rule in this fit.
[Raven, Newbie PVE MJD] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
Large Micro Jump Drive EM Ward Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Large Shield Booster II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Shield Boost Amplifier II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hobgoblin II x5
Fury missile 888dps to 150km lock range, triple rigor damage application. Precision or t1 missile 635dps to smaller targets than BS. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:17:00 -
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Nothing wrong with Caldari ships. They also have the benefit of being extremely friendly to low-sp pilots for most isk-making activities, while still being competetive for high sp pilots.
If you do want to cross train, the best choice is Gallente. First, because caldari turret ships and gallente ships use hybrid turrets, meaning the sp you take away from missiles to put into gunnery is well-used for the ships you'll be able to fly. Secondly, many Gallente ships shield tank or at the very least can shield tank reasonably well. Third, you get access to guristas ships, which are pretty cool. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:31:00 -
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Caldari as a race are no more weak than every other race since Apoc. Plenty of very good Cardari ships; train what you like, have fun. True, heavies were nerfed a while back, and CCP recently castrated Rapid Lights (used to rock seriously, now just a waste), and rockets are nearly useless for anything except basic frigate brawling, but Drake is still a solid heavy platform and the SNI (Navy Issue Scorpion) is an awesome boat; Caldari & Gallente skills lead you into the Gila and Rattlesnake, awesome platforms for both drone and missile. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Odithia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:11:00 -
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Look at faction ship, might give you some idea.
Skill wise this is what will provide synnergy with Caldari skills : Amarr : missile skills on some of their T2/T3 ships and thats all. Gallente : hybrid turrets on most of their ships, some gallente ship can be OK shield tanked Minmatar : missile on half of their ships and good shield tank |
Ideafix Ergel
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.13 18:24:00 -
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So i guess ill stick to caldari with a chance to go for some minmatar ships later. Thx for answers guys and girls :) |
Ideafix Ergel
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.13 18:25:00 -
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Ideafix Ergel wrote:So i guess ill stick to caldari with a chance to go for some minmatar ships later. Thx for answers guys and girls :)
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Alcorak
Stealth Tactics and Reconnaissance Service Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2013.12.13 19:01:00 -
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Best thing to do is to find a corp based in high-sec for you and your friends early (this is more important than what to train). I'd say stick with caldari for now if PvE is your plan. You'll end up training armor skills eventually as a core skillset and hybrid turrets b/c a bunch of caldari ships use them. You already seem to be training up some drone skills. From there, it'll be a short hop over to Gallente ships. |
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Sasha Nourvarii
Tr4V3sty Missions
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Posted - 2013.12.13 19:34:00 -
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Ideafix Ergel wrote:Ideafix Ergel wrote:So i guess ill stick to caldari with a chance to go for some minmatar ships later. Thx for answers guys and girls :)
I'd really go the Cal/Gallente path. |
Ideafix Ergel
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:55:00 -
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OK, ill think about it, thx again. Good active community here :) |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Black Slag Authenticated Corrosive.
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Posted - 2013.12.15 02:41:00 -
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As a missile pilot, unless you want to do a lot of mission running I'd start looking to ditch missiles. They're not, overall, in a very good place and there is no indication that anything is going to change in a positive way. I use my Navy Raven with T2 Cruises for level 4 missions all the time, it's great for that. But for most other things you will find missiles are seriously lacking in viability. If you intend to stick with PvE for ISK, you will be looking at incursions soon, and missiles have no place in an incursion fleet either.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2013.12.16 00:46:00 -
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On your plans: Be aware that the strategies used for level 5 missions and for Incursions don't really overlap as much as you might think. Level 5 missions are usually run in carriers or in subcapital ships that have extremely carefully designed passive shield tanks (set up to be unconcerned about energy neutralizers), while incursions are run in fleets with logistics support. Training into a level 5 Slepnir fit or a level 5 Archon fit will not help you in incursions at all, neither will training into an incursion Oneiros or Navy Apocalypse help you in level 5s.
Also be aware that you don't need to be 'super ready' for PVP, and in fact, PVP can find you before you feel you are ready for it. Don't be the person whose first PVP experience is losing their 1200m mission Proteus to being foolish - instead be the person that has had 20 or 30 PVP experiences (winning some, and losing most) before they undock in a 1200m Proteus.
As for skill choices: Right now, Gallente ships are the flavour of the month for subcapitals, with the Dominix, Ishtar, Proteus, Phobos and Oneiros all seeing significant use in nullsec wars, and the first two being incredibly effective in PVE as well. However, this can and will change. It's only a few months ago that the Tengu was the best ship in EVE.
My recommendation is that you dabble early on. Train all the racial cruiser skills to 3 (this won't take long and isn't a waste of SP as they are prerequisites for various powerful pirate ships), and try them all out. See what you find more fun - flying a drone boat, a missile ship, a turret ship, or something else. Once you know that, come back and ask us again for advice on where to train. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
Chi Garu
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.12.16 11:26:00 -
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You've got some good advice here so far, I'll just add that the current meta leans more towards drone and gunnery skills than anything else, but mostly drones, drones, drones. Skill up towards T2 sentry drones early on and look towards a dominix as your battleship hull of choice. That will cover you for missions and later for pvp unless something changes dramatically in the next 12 months. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.12.16 11:35:00 -
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Ideafix Ergel wrote:Hi guys, so im playing about a month now, started as caldari and i have read that most ppl in forums suggests not to train missiles and that caldari are very weak right now. so basically i would like to hear your opinions on should i cross train into some other race, like minmatar or should i stick to caldari
Here's my honest suggestion: change your informants. |
Odithia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.16 15:56:00 -
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For frigates, missiles mean business. Can't tell for bigger hulls, people says they suck on cruiser and dread. |
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