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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
786
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:15:00 -
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Since when the Khanid area is included in that proxy war ? |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1623
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:43:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Since when the Khanid area is included in that proxy war ?
Firstly Khanid holds a seat on the Privy Council, and is therefore involved in the prosecution of the war
Secondly where do you think the Shakorite regime occupying Pator will turn its attentions to next should the Empire fail? Do you think those Minmatar slaves in the Kingdom are somehow not in the plans of the Shakorites? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Erin Savonarola
House Savonarola
7
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:02:00 -
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Duchess dGÇÖHanguest, In the name of the Lord, shut up.
Since you have accused me, quite unfairly and incorrectly, of disclosing private conversations, I will conduct further affairs with you and your office openly and notoriously.
PIEGÇÖs bullheaded behaviour notwithstanding (and you may believe that I have choice words for them as well), you are acting like the child you are, rather than rising to the occasion and the title you have inherited. This is nothing more than a tantrum, magnified many times through the lens of your station and your status as a capsuleer. One can almost imagine you in an office, built through the efforts of better persons, jumping up and down shouting at all who will listen, most likely servants or sycophants, that PIE is being mean to you, that PIE is not calling you duchess, that PIE is not calling you by the style you wish, that you are the duchess, etcetera and so on. I stated before that a holder who has to demand respect is no holder. Take note of this, Lady dGÇÖHanguest. Every time you pitch a fit over a slight, the esteem and respect that your peers and lessers have for you is diminished. Although you may not understand it now, the latter is actually the most important. Since there is no one to guide you in your inexperienced youth, I will offer some advice. Firstly, do not make waves. I didnGÇÖt even redecorate my manor in the first decade, despite the horrible mauve carpets that my grandmother put in the living section. You have held your title for two years. Two years. In that time youGÇÖve had your title challenged and start an internecine war. In addition, you are still overcoming your past reputation for sexual lasciviousness and otherwise hedonistic behaviour of your teens. You should shut up, solidify your position and gain the respect of your peers and lessers. The second bit has to do with titles, styles, honorifics, kowtowing, scraping, bowing and bootlicking. Get over yourself. I have a much older title than you, Lady dGÇÖHanguest, with an irregular style. I have a policy to introduce myself once and then gently remind once more, if needed and then I drop it after. I do this because I am secure in my position and secure in myself. Also, quite frankly, it is beneath me to make an issue of it. Let me reiterate that, Odelya. If a commoner breaks social protocol, I do not lower myself to call them on it, even if it is a deliberate slight. Additionally, I make a point to have close friends and acquaintances drop the formality and simply call me Erin when appropriate. Part of being a holder is knowing when formality is not called for. The last piece of advice I would give is that you need to learn to think long term. Two factors work against you in this case, your age and the Kingdom itself. You came into your title at an unheard of early age. Nominally speaking, you would have a few centuries ahead of you. With the help of capsuleer technology, that is even more true and may even be stretched longer. Yet, you are still thinking now, now, now. Most of my plans have a time table of a decade or more. Your impetuousness marks you as weak.
Kind regards, Erin |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2687
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:36:00 -
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I would say that is a "burn", but I think they still punish by immolation in parts of the Empire and Kingdom... so perhaps that is not an appropriate term. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
786
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Posted - 2013.12.25 10:50:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Since when the Khanid area is included in that proxy war ? Firstly Khanid holds a seat on the Privy Council, and is therefore involved in the prosecution of the war Secondly where do you think the Shakorite regime occupying Pator will turn its attentions to next should the Empire fail? Do you think those Minmatar slaves in the Kingdom are somehow not in the plans of the Shakorites?
Ah, but that is another question altogether.
The current state of politics of the Privy Council may point in that direction, but the Khanid Kingdom is still not formally involved in the war to my knowledge. We do not even know if they actually participate in any way, unless you have some privy info on the matter ? |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
786
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Posted - 2013.12.25 11:05:00 -
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To lady D'Hanguest :
I will try to say something that I am not accustomed to. You should have listened to what I told you, even if I may not be the best example.
There are other ways to weigh in Amarrian politics. You will not damage PIE Inc reputation by reacting like they are expecting you to do. You will do more damage by enduring and patiently collecting all the blunders they are used to do over the years. Their worst enemies are not their foes, but themselves. |
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
137
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Posted - 2013.12.25 12:30:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Since when the Khanid area is included in that proxy war ? Firstly Khanid holds a seat on the Privy Council, and is therefore involved in the prosecution of the war Secondly where do you think the Shakorite regime occupying Pator will turn its attentions to next should the Empire fail? Do you think those Minmatar slaves in the Kingdom are somehow not in the plans of the Shakorites? Ah, but that is another question altogether. The current state of politics of the Privy Council may point in that direction, but the Khanid Kingdom is still not formally involved in the war to my knowledge. We do not even know if they actually participate in any way, unless you have some privy info on the matter ?
Even the arch-separatist D'Hanguest fights in the war. You seem to be alone in holding the Khanid Kingdom as not having a dog in this fight. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past." |
Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
311
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Posted - 2013.12.25 13:07:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:To lady D'Hanguest :
I will try to say something that I am not accustomed to. You should have listened to what I told you, even if I may not be the best example.
There are other ways to weigh in Amarrian politics. You will not damage PIE Inc reputation by reacting like they are expecting you to do. You will do more damage by enduring and patiently collecting all the blunders they are used to do over the years. Their worst enemies are not their foes, but themselves. Dear Lyn,
IGÇÖve learnt that lesson. But you judge me wrong if you believe I want to weigh in politics. I have no illusions about the true nature of this. Look at what my sister wrote and the reaction she gotGÇötruth is not an issue of interest. The allies of PIE turn away their eyes when PIEGÇÖs leadership and their foot soldiers alike lie and behave dishonestly. They just continue with their sick charade.
My only desire is to be just and true to my principles. I agree with you that by GÇ£collecting all the blunders they are used to do over the yearsGÇ¥ you can do more damage. But I am not a politician, I am a lone fighter who cannot stand lies and corruption. Like the forlorn fighter against the machine, I prefer my own death and destruction over the triumph of evil. I cannot sit back and do nothing. I am a capsuleer and therefore I fight. When the forces of evil triumph I will have no part in itGÇöbut the Lord will prevent it and He will lead the righteous to victory and eternal glory.
Our Lord is my witness and He alone will judge me, and those who judge me now.
Best, Odelya Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
786
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Posted - 2013.12.25 13:15:00 -
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Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Since when the Khanid area is included in that proxy war ? Firstly Khanid holds a seat on the Privy Council, and is therefore involved in the prosecution of the war Secondly where do you think the Shakorite regime occupying Pator will turn its attentions to next should the Empire fail? Do you think those Minmatar slaves in the Kingdom are somehow not in the plans of the Shakorites? Ah, but that is another question altogether. The current state of politics of the Privy Council may point in that direction, but the Khanid Kingdom is still not formally involved in the war to my knowledge. We do not even know if they actually participate in any way, unless you have some privy info on the matter ? Even the arch-separatist D'Hanguest fights in the war. You seem to be alone in holding the Khanid Kingdom as not having a dog in this fight.
And yet, the Kingdom Navy does not participate in any way in the CEWPA theater. |
Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
46
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Posted - 2013.12.25 13:33:00 -
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Erin Savonarola wrote:unwanted advise
In the Name of the Lord
Contessa,
Her Grace wishes to inform you that she finds your paternalistic manner of speech irritating, yet believes that your message was well-intentioned. That said she still does not need unwanted advise, neither public nor private, from Amarrian holders who do not know her.
The inhabitants of Palas are devoted to Her Grace and their support is overwhelming. Also the reaction Her Grace has received from other Khanid holders and the lesser nobility is overwhelmingly positive.
This morning Her Grace has issued a Ducal Decree declaring that the motto of her house and lands shall be changed to GÇ£We want to remain what we are!GÇ¥ from now until forever.
Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest Ducal Chancellor
Concordia, Integritas, Industria |
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Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
137
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Posted - 2013.12.25 15:36:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Since when the Khanid area is included in that proxy war ? Firstly Khanid holds a seat on the Privy Council, and is therefore involved in the prosecution of the war Secondly where do you think the Shakorite regime occupying Pator will turn its attentions to next should the Empire fail? Do you think those Minmatar slaves in the Kingdom are somehow not in the plans of the Shakorites? Ah, but that is another question altogether. The current state of politics of the Privy Council may point in that direction, but the Khanid Kingdom is still not formally involved in the war to my knowledge. We do not even know if they actually participate in any way, unless you have some privy info on the matter ? Even the arch-separatist D'Hanguest fights in the war. You seem to be alone in holding the Khanid Kingdom as not having a dog in this fight. And yet, the Kingdom Navy does not participate in any way in the CEWPA theater, much like the Ammatar Fleet does not either. Only direct Amarrian forces are committed at the moment.
And yet, the quote you are arguing against is this one: "On the front lines against the liberation force, protecting the Empire, which includes the khanid areas."
Empire protects it's ally Khanid. Whether or not Khanid has committed forces does not invalidate Rin's statement. Force allocation is up to the Privy council, Military Command (and CONCORD I suppose).
Enough with the hairsplitting to attempt to find a wedge to divide greater Amarr.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past." |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
786
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Posted - 2013.12.25 16:43:00 -
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The Amarr Empire can protect the Khanid ally as much as it wants to, it is certainly not the Amarr Empire that protects the Khanid Kingdom at the moment, since :
1) I am pretty sure that King Khanid usually considers himself able to defend his own demesne alone, even if counting on the unwavering Amarr throne is probably appreciated. Yet the simple fact consisting to say that "the Amarr Empire protects the Khanid Kingdom" could have been considered rather insulting even recently. 2) The Khanid region is not included in the war zone, and thus, out of reach of any enemy invasion. The protection that is granted here is actually Yulai's protection. |
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
137
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Posted - 2013.12.25 18:45:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:The Amarr Empire can protect the Khanid ally as much as it wants to, it is certainly not the Amarr Empire that protects the Khanid Kingdom at the moment, since :
1) I am pretty sure that King Khanid usually considers himself able to defend his own demesne alone, even if counting on the unwavering Amarr throne is probably appreciated. Yet the simple fact consisting to say that "the Amarr Empire protects the Khanid Kingdom" could have been considered rather insulting even recently. 2) The Khanid region is not included in the war zone, and thus, out of reach of any enemy invasion. The protection that is granted here is actually Yulai's protection.
You can spin it however you like, Kahnid and Empire are still allies. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past." |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
786
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Posted - 2013.12.25 21:40:00 -
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Of course they are. Why would not they ? |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
602
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Posted - 2013.12.25 23:14:00 -
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So, a couple of days and nine pages have passed, have someones jimmies been rustled. Have proper fights been brought, ops been disturbed and opinions been regretted or is this yet another slow simmering conflict of sorts. Come on, advertise a wee bit. Ship's getting rearmed, I'm bored. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1625
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Posted - 2013.12.25 23:20:00 -
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Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:
The inhabitants of Palas are devoted to Her Grace and their support is overwhelming. Also the reaction Her Grace has received from other Khanid holders and the lesser nobility is overwhelmingly positive.
Have you hired Vaari as a speechwriter? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
475
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Posted - 2013.12.25 23:28:00 -
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You would find more useful information looking up stats on your neocom the next time your plugged to your pod (and a few sites on Gal net) than in here.
You would find the truth to Rin's statement on her death to Odelya as well. Rin is not the best pilot in the world but I am sure she knows that her executioner would never have stood a chance to the SOE frig that Odelya brought and would not have picked a fight. That's just my opinion, biased as it is for the one I love but logical if you think about it.
"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
316
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Posted - 2013.12.25 23:46:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Have you hired Vaari as a speechwriter? And are you still sitting in your station enjoying my holoreel? Maybe it wouldnGÇÖt help your dying comrades to see you on the field, but as a man of honour... Just a thought though, I am sure your nurses could help you into pod.
Desiderya wrote:So, a couple of days and nine pages have passed, have someones jimmies been rustled. Have proper fights been brought, ops been disturbed and opinions been regretted or is this yet another slow simmering conflict of sorts. Come on, advertise a wee bit. Ship's getting rearmed, I'm bored. So far a few PIE vessels have been destroyed by the Stormcrows and myself while PIE is at 0% effectiveness in this conflict because they GÇ£donGÇÖt care.GÇ¥ The crewmen who managed to escape their burning cruisers are being cared for by Palasian doctors.
Job Valador wrote:You would find the truth to Rin's statement on her death to Odelya as well. Rin is not the best pilot in the world but I am sure she knows that her executioner would never have stood a chance to the SOE frig that Odelya brought and would not have picked a fight. That's just my opinion, biased as it is for the one I love but logical if you think about it. Nobody questioned I attacked her first and knew that she stood no chance. Tell her to fix her overview. And to stop lying.
Kind regards, Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
475
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:04:00 -
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Her overview is fine. I set it up myself. It does not show fellow militia pilots on her fighting tab. She knew it was you but did not want to harm you. You wanted to harm her. If you are so intent on destroying Empire ships please do so under the Liberation forces flag. At least then it would be an accomplishment of sorts rather than betraying the trust of Empire pilots. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
316
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:14:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:Her overview is fine. I set it up myself. It does not show fellow militia pilots on her fighting tab. She knew it was you but did not want to harm you. You wanted to harm her. If you are so intent on destroying Empire ships please do so under the Liberation forces flag. At least then it would be an accomplishment of sorts rather than betraying the trust of Empire pilots. She didn't want to harm me! How heart-warming and affecting! She is a soldier and not a participant of a feel-at-ease-and-be-nice-class. Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |
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Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
137
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:32:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Job Valador wrote:Her overview is fine. I set it up myself. It does not show fellow militia pilots on her fighting tab. She knew it was you but did not want to harm you. You wanted to harm her. If you are so intent on destroying Empire ships please do so under the Liberation forces flag. At least then it would be an accomplishment of sorts rather than betraying the trust of Empire pilots. She didn't want to harm me! How heart-warming and affecting! She is a soldier and not a participant of a feel-at-ease-and-be-nice-class.
She is a soldier with her priorities straight.
You are enlisted in the same militia, but you can't stop yourself from shooting your allies over slights to your ego. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past." |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1318
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Posted - 2013.12.26 01:14:00 -
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I've skimmed over this, and so far all I've come to understand is that there's something about a sex tape and PIE Inc. refusing to use the proper titles with Ms. d'Hanguest because they think she's an indecent woman?
Is there a copy of this alleged sex tape I may have so that I can make my own determinations on this war as an interested third party with a professional curiosity? |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
383
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Posted - 2013.12.26 02:26:00 -
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I honestly cannot fathom why two adults engaging in consensual sexual acts, even if there was a leaked holoreel, would be the cause for anything.
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
70
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Posted - 2013.12.26 03:43:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:I honestly cannot fathom why two adults engaging in consensual sexual acts, even if there was a leaked holoreel, would be the cause for anything.
Some fetishes are best left private.... |
Civ Kado
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre ZT-07K Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
45
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Posted - 2013.12.26 04:30:00 -
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I also require a copy of said material. Like they say, it's best to have an informed opinion about matters. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
602
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:08:00 -
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Well, everyone can look at the raw data and draw conclusions, but not every action shows up there, especially not pressure denying proper operations, so a more inside view would sate curiosity quite well. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Condor Amarr
Black Watch Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
64
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:19:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Job Valador wrote:Her overview is fine. I set it up myself. It does not show fellow militia pilots on her fighting tab. She knew it was you but did not want to harm you. You wanted to harm her. If you are so intent on destroying Empire ships please do so under the Liberation forces flag. At least then it would be an accomplishment of sorts rather than betraying the trust of Empire pilots. She didn't want to harm me! How heart-warming and affecting! She is a soldier and not a participant of a feel-at-ease-and-be-nice-class.
Whatever your argument was/is about with PIE, you just lost all credibility and respect when you decided to engage a member of your own Militia.
Well done on becoming "just another awoxer" and in the process, losing any credibility you had at taking the moral high ground. |
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
178
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Posted - 2013.12.26 11:19:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:Well, everyone can look at the raw data and draw conclusions, but not every action shows up there, especially not pressure denying proper operations, so a more inside view would sate curiosity quite well.
Planetside business has done more to disrupt PIE's operations in the last month than this war has. Several of our officers, including myself, have not been able to participate in front line combat since before the new war started.
The Stormcrows have been running a small AF hunting squad for the most part, as you can see from the kill records. It is effective at taking out a similar number of PIE ships, which makes sense as it is tailor fit for that job, but It isn't really enough to affect PIE's operations in a meaningful way. The most disruptive thing they have done so far is managing to get a relatively new member in a bit of trouble for flying a garbage scow through high sec.
Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4020
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Posted - 2013.12.26 14:38:00 -
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You know what I find the most irritating in all this? The loudmouthed ***** patronizing an organization cause she hwasn't ******* spoken to properly.
I mean, what the actual ****? I was gonna keep quiet about this but no, **** it. I can't stand this loud mother uncredited bravado **** anymore. I'm ******* out of patience with it, and the 24muppets running from me and mine (yea i noticed you withdraw as soon as my crew is active).
Odelya. No one ******* cares. Put up or shut the **** up. Don't like what I'm saying? You seem tough enough to have PIE dec'd. Why not come shut me up you second rate **** star?
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Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
723
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Posted - 2013.12.26 15:18:00 -
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Anslo wrote:You know what I find the most irritating in all this? The loudmouthed ***** patronizing an organization cause she hwasn't ******* spoken to properly.
I mean, what the actual ****? I was gonna keep quiet about this but no, **** it. I can't stand this loud mother uncredited bravado **** anymore. I'm ******* out of patience with it, and the 24muppets running from me and mine (yea i noticed you withdraw as soon as my crew is active).
Odelya. No one ******* cares. Put up or shut the **** up. Don't like what I'm saying? You seem tough enough to have PIE dec'd. Why not come shut me up you second rate **** star?
I think it's time to set down the popcorn and order a steak; this just went from a park fair play to true dinner theater. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
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