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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:05:00 -
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Seems to be some confusion as to what "content" eve actually has.
So list it.
[*] building space ships. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:06:00 -
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Destroying spaceships.
Selling stuff to other people.
Stealing stuff from other people. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:07:00 -
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Anything that generates something people talk/write about is imo content.
/c
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Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:08:00 -
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Classical mmo definition : PvE, PvP, gathering ressources, crafting, questing, grouping, socializing, dramas Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:12:00 -
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"War. War never changes.
[...]Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.[...]"
"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit It never felt so good, I never felt so hid" - Ramona McCandless, Untitled Accepting donations for a Nestor (every 1 ISK counts) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:12:00 -
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Eh? There is?
Ok thenGǪ everything on this list, and every tool, item, and mechanic that allows for those activities. And then, of course, there's all the meta-game content that exists outside of the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:12:00 -
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Content is the stuff the developer puts into the game that the players can interact with.
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:13:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Anything that generates something people talk/write about is imo content.
/c
I was thinking more specifically about activities people do where "content creators" can be found. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:16:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Chribba wrote:Anything that generates something people talk/write about is imo content.
/c I was thinking more specifically about activities people do where "content creators" can be found.
Other than third party development and out of game websites, players do not create content, they interact with the content provided by the developer. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:17:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:Content is the stuff the developer puts into the game that the players can interact with.
So you don't consider ganking afk miners to be content?
Guess it depends on whether you consider the relationship between ganked and ganker to be symptomatic of some bigger issue - like say for example that mining is too easy in highsec or that maybe asteroid belts should be swapped for mining sigs? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:17:00 -
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Content = something to do.
Incursions Wormholes Nullsec Ratting PvP Faction Warfare Missions/Plexing Exploration Highsec Missions Level 5 Missions Nullsec Sovereignty
Contrary to the popular belief by this community, content is only generated by CCP. You interacting with one of these systems and making a youtube video or article headline isn't you creating content, it's you using CCP's content. Not today spaghetti. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:18:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Content = something to do.
Incursions Wormholes Nullsec Ratting PvP Faction Warfare Missions/Plexing Exploration Highsec Missions Level 5 Missions Nullsec Sovereignty
Contrary to the popular belief by this community, content is only generated by CCP. You interacting with one of these systems and making a youtube video or article headline isn't you creating content, it's you using CCP's content.
Lol. They have this thing now, it's called a sandbox game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:21:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Content is the stuff the developer puts into the game that the players can interact with.
So you don't consider ganking afk miners to be content? Guess it depends on whether you consider the relationship between ganked and ganker to be symptomatic of some bigger issue - like say for example that mining is too easy in highsec or that maybe asteroid belts should be swapped for mining sigs?
I don't think there is a proper definition for game content but i look at it like this...
If someone gives me rubixcube, that would be the content. If solve the cube, that is simply me interacting with that content. I'm not creating anything, i'm just operating within the rules of the content provided. |
Eve Content
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:22:00 -
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Me. I'm Eve Content.
The very definition of it. So is everyone else. It's what each of us do, no matter what it is, that makes eve content. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:23:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Lol. They have this thing now, it's called a sandbox game.
Like I said contrary to this community's popular belief. CCP has sold this sandbox game concept to you long and hard. You interact with their content. You don't create content. Not today spaghetti. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:38:00 -
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Player Driven content |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:38:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Lol. They have this thing now, it's called a sandbox game.
Like I said contrary to this community's popular belief. CCP has sold this sandbox game concept to you long and hard. You interact with their content. You don't create content. While I can understand where your point comes from I would suggest that there is a lot more content which occurs though the game which is entirely player created. Most of it would probably be social interactions between players - they have interacted with CCP's content and then they interact with each other. Corporations are enabled by CCP's content but they are not dependent on it. Huge Nullsec military campaigns may result in an interaction with CCP's content but the speeches, the propaganda, the rabble rousing which precedes that is not dependent on it... The various Goonswarm posters ("The war is over..." and so forth) are all content entirely created by players rather than CCP.
To push the Rubix cube analogy: The Rubix cube is content. You solving the rubix cube is interaction with content but not content in and of itself. You writing a poem about solving the rubix cube results is a poem which is content. |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:40:00 -
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Seriously?
OK
PvP Pve Blob warfare gate camping roaming hisec ganking wormholes FW suicide ganking building ships blowing ships up PI gas harvesting Mining escalations Lowsec Piracy wormholes Industry Market manipulation Corps Sov warfare griefing carebearing isk making isk losing forum warfare missions whining about lack of content Industrial espionage scamming
and that's without really trying
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:41:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Seems to be some confusion as to what "content" eve actually has.
So list it.
building space ships. Anything I can do in EVE with the tools given to me. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:42:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Lol. They have this thing now, it's called a sandbox game.
Like I said contrary to this community's popular belief. CCP has sold this sandbox game concept to you long and hard. You interact with their content. You don't create content.
I think the point of eve is supposed to be about people acting out their whims in a simulation not of spaceships but of an extremely elaborate lord of flies island.
Eve isn't so much a game as it is a psychological experiment. The "content creators" we back handedly compliment are the people who chose the pvp element of the game as their primary source of entertainment as this pvp outside of ship balancing has no programming overhead from CCP. Like giving 2 kids some sticks and then leaving them to their own devices without a doubt they will eventually start attacking each other.
Defining content rigidly as an activity provided in a can by CCP is necessarily ahort sighted but not unfair either. And reading one of mittanis articles about super caps does nothing to stop it being true how he called stomping CVA as content but only out of the boredom of his populace.
Perhaps mittens would feel more envigorated by expelling one of his supercap coalition members 'just cause' and stirring the pot a little bit. The fact that this new 3rd party would need to scramble for help from someone would be content enough. Provided they don't just join N3 of course. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:48:00 -
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**** "content"
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Handar Turiant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:49:00 -
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Content is whatever someone decides to do to/with/for other players. Both inside of the EVE Client and outside, as long as the outside has an effect on the inside.
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Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:51:00 -
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For the sake of clearing up any confusion, how about we define things as follows:
Game content - anything ccp creates Player driven content - any activity created by players |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:53:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Like I said contrary to this community's popular belief. CCP has sold this sandbox game concept to you long and hard. You interact with their content. You don't create content. Actually, we do both. That's the whole point of the concept. They have created some minute content that we can interact with. They have also created a large box of tools. We can use those tools to create our own content. Other players then interact with the content we create.
If you think that only the stuff created by CCP counts as content, you have a very narrow GÇö to the point of entirely inaccurate GÇö view of what content actually is. The funny part is that you got it reasonably right at first: content is GÇ£stuff to do.GÇ¥ Contrary to your belief, CCP are not the only ones who can create that. Hell, a lot of the EVE content does not even exist within EVE the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:55:00 -
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Mithandra wrote:Seriously?
OK
PvP Pve Blob warfare gate camping roaming hisec ganking wormholes FW suicide ganking building ships blowing ships up PI gas harvesting Mining escalations Lowsec Piracy wormholes Industry Market manipulation Corps Sov warfare griefing carebearing isk making isk losing forum warfare missions whining about lack of content Industrial espionage scamming
and that's without really trying
Yes yes yes and with so much choice surely people would never feel starved for content would they? That was not the point of my post. I am more trying to get to the bottom of why some stuff is considered AFK material and why some is seen as being the king pin on which the rest of eve evolves.
Obviously smashing other people's stuff is very important but as we see it's nit strictly viewed as 'content' by everyone is it?
I think content should be defined as "the opportunity or enablment of activity" within the game and that things like corp awoxing and mittens super capital arms race are examples of the loss of content because they're removing the reasons to try and break in to sov/recruit newbies. Or whatever your flavour of generally speaking 'people barrier' you care to think of. If there is an activity which through being practiced actively erodes the number of people involved in another activity then you can pretty safely say content is being lost and not generated.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Like I said contrary to this community's popular belief. CCP has sold this sandbox game concept to you long and hard. You interact with their content. You don't create content. Actually, we do both. That's the whole point of the concept. They have created some minute content that we can interact with. They have also created a large box of tools. We can use those tools to create our own content. Other players then interact with the content we create. If you think that only the stuff created by CCP counts as content, you have a very narrow GÇö to the point of entirely inaccurate GÇö view of what content actually is. The funny part is that you got it reasonably right at first: content is GÇ£stuff to do.GÇ¥ Contrary to your belief, CCP are not the only ones who can create that. Hell, a lot of the EVE content does not even exist within EVE the game.
So when someone says "ccp aren't adding any new content" do you think they mean that ccp aren't adding new people to the game?
I don't even know what we're talking about here. |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
300
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:10:00 -
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You don't even understand the meaning of the word "definition" ... - When there's a mew, there's a way! - |
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:10:00 -
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You mean quests and dungeons?
Last year I started a thread for this: 4/6 LFM Angel Extravaganza L4, need a healer
It's hard to solo some "content" here, you know...
(sarcasm off)*
* It's being a pain the need to warn about it on EVE forums nowadays, pretty disappointing. If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD) |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
301
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:25:00 -
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Content in EVE, if we disregard what the lesser people believe is content, is nothing more than the natural flow i which the universe progresses. It's the same IRL. The reason why you need a definition most probably is because you don't get "life".
Life, as EVE, is full of content. As soon as you go outdoors, there are hundreds of things that could happen to you in what way ever.
The issue though is that you choose not to. People, carebears I guess, mostly only care about themselves. In bigger cities people don't even greet each other anymore, denying themselves lots of content.
So, content in EVE is every form of interaction between humans. If you consider shooting NPCs as content or doing whatever that does not somehow connect with other humans ... well ... I guess that works for the usual definition when it comes to all the lesser games out there.
In EVE though, content has nothing to do with NPCs. That's just there so the lesser people drop money into the game and the actual players have targets.
So when you see me in Hek, sitting flashy red in a pod ... i provide content. When you see me sportcommentating in local about the idiots who slowboat 300km towards me ... i provide content. When people react to it, I have delivered.
Local enjoys me. It's a lot of fun satisfIng so many at once. And I am really good at it! I love doing it all day and sometimes people even beg me to do it.
They need their "content" soooo badly ... ... and when they see me they get all excited ... ... because I can satisfy them sooooo well ... ... and they always smile happily when I'm done with them! ;)
Next time you roll your eyes annoyed about what I said, or start hating me for what I did ... remember this post. (:
See.... the definition of content... is you, me, everyone. - When there's a mew, there's a way! - |
Winter Milan Chipri
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:29:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Content = something to do.
Incursions Wormholes Nullsec Ratting PvP Faction Warfare Missions/Plexing Exploration Highsec Missions Level 5 Missions Nullsec Sovereignty
Contrary to the popular belief by this community, content is only generated by CCP. You interacting with one of these systems and making a youtube video or article headline isn't you creating content, it's you using CCP's content.
this. |
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