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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12474
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:35:00 -
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Len Ross wrote:3 years of grinding station in every faction to get 100% all taken away with a patch. Ridiculous manufacturing costs in low and hi sec. Ridiculous BP research prices and nerfed bps. Gankers already rubbing their hands together waiting to attack POS's for the chance of someone putting in a BPO for research or manufacture.
Having to grind grind grind to get less isk than Hi sec industry used to pay. No I will not buy plexes to fund PVP gameplay I see that is the target here.
Null sec seems to have had a buff and none of this affects them. Only hurts us industrialists in HI sec.
Why do I have to be forced to go to null sec? I have no interest in null sec.
I stand by what I said
This is for you.
Time to spread your wings and leave highsec if you want the best rewards. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Kijimea
Mulors
9
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:36:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Quit Whining wrote:DaReaper wrote:
They are not nerfered. You never got any advantage once you got ME and PE to over 20 anyway in the old system.
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They are. I have an Erebus BPC I just checked, requires an extra 50 components for each capital part now, so that's about 10B added on to build cost :) are you also taking into account that they removed 'waste' and readded this into the build of the unit? where as before they did not do that?
My Rig BPC had no waste and has now increased costs which makes it now useless. Cheers CCP and go to hell. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
696
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:51:00 -
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Best expansion ever I will cherish this feel until 1st time I log in. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Len Ross
The Scope Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Len Ross wrote:3 years of grinding station in every faction to get 100% all taken away with a patch. Ridiculous manufacturing costs in low and hi sec. Ridiculous BP research prices and nerfed bps. Gankers already rubbing their hands together waiting to attack POS's for the chance of someone putting in a BPO for research or manufacture.
Having to grind grind grind to get less isk than Hi sec industry used to pay. No I will not buy plexes to fund PVP gameplay I see that is the target here.
Null sec seems to have had a buff and none of this affects them. Only hurts us industrialists in HI sec.
Why do I have to be forced to go to null sec? I have no interest in null sec.
I stand by what I said This is for you. Time to spread your wings and leave highsec if you want the best rewards.
+1 Only thing on eve today that's made me smile. Null sec isn't for a solo player. I like being solo. I like ( liked) eve not corps. Im going to have an eve break get rid of this bitterness. If it doesn't go away ill distribute my stuff. |
Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2014.07.22 21:00:00 -
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Len Ross wrote:baltec1 wrote:Len Ross wrote:3 years of grinding station in every faction to get 100% all taken away with a patch. Ridiculous manufacturing costs in low and hi sec. Ridiculous BP research prices and nerfed bps. Gankers already rubbing their hands together waiting to attack POS's for the chance of someone putting in a BPO for research or manufacture.
Having to grind grind grind to get less isk than Hi sec industry used to pay. No I will not buy plexes to fund PVP gameplay I see that is the target here.
Null sec seems to have had a buff and none of this affects them. Only hurts us industrialists in HI sec.
Why do I have to be forced to go to null sec? I have no interest in null sec.
I stand by what I said This is for you. Time to spread your wings and leave highsec if you want the best rewards. +1 Only thing on eve today that's made me smile. Null sec isn't for a solo player. I like being solo. I like ( liked) eve not corps. Im going to have an eve break get rid of this bitterness. If it doesn't go away ill distribute my stuff. Oh jolly! Never had the chance to be the first to say this...
Can I haz it? New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders |
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
127
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Posted - 2014.07.22 21:47:00 -
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My left mouse button thanks you! |
Quit Whining
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:03:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Quit Whining wrote:DaReaper wrote:
They are not nerfered. You never got any advantage once you got ME and PE to over 20 anyway in the old system.
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They are. I have an Erebus BPC I just checked, requires an extra 50 components for each capital part now, so that's about 10B added on to build cost :) are you also taking into account that they removed 'waste' and readded this into the build of the unit? where as before they did not do that?
I'm taking into account that x number of each part were required to start the manufacturing job pre-patch and now x+~50 of each part are required to start the job. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
283
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:13:00 -
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Well... CCP kinda saved my ass. I'm what real industrials call an utter failure at research. The person to mock. My personal project to have a researched T1 BPO of every kind was taking quite a while. The mods were all 250/250 (including "old" rigs - now large) and the ships 100/100.
Now I cant fail anymore. I may even finish my project before old age prevents me from logging in. So.... thank you CCP? |
Anthar Thebess
601
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:17:00 -
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Players Online <30k. In a day when important mini expansion go live! Did someone in CCP miscalculated , what needs to be changed or fixed in order for people click "Reactivate Account" button?
Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
Zinther Del'Ara
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:21:00 -
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Len Ross wrote:No appreciation here. 52% refine from 100% which took months of training and grind. Retrievers costing 37 mill to build that are on the market for 27 All scaling's are at 10% EVERYWHERE!! Ive looked in hi/low sec. Bet its awesome in null.
Feels like I've had a solid kick in the slabs.
Slick interface but unfortunately I'm bowing out of the mining/industry business after 4 years. Don't say yay for a new PVP player, the cost ships will become will make it impossible to replace. And no I will NOT buy plexes
It's getting dumbed down for the mobile generation. I should have known from the omni damage, and mineral requirements on the bastion module.
Eve used to be a harsh mistress, now she's a bimbo. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12479
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:32:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Players Online <30k. In a day when important mini expansion go live! Did someone in CCP miscalculated , what needs to be changed or fixed in order for people click "Reactivate Account" button?
Feel free to tell us all how you market a change in spreadsheet eve to new players from the likes of wow and call of duty. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1542
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:32:00 -
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So far, I love it:
. the UI is cool . most of the (few) things I produce costs less . I can research and copy anywhere . the systems next door to me are cheap (lowsec + FW upgrades boosts) . my main ISK-making activity is trading, so I'll continue to make money no matter what . 'Crius a river' on EVE-O is pretty good entertainment EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
211
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:36:00 -
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Hooray that frame rate issues on my machine appear to be mostly resolved.... mostly. ...end transmission... GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ |
Zinther Del'Ara
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:47:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:Well... CCP kinda saved my ass. I'm what real industrials call an utter failure at research. The person to mock. My personal project to have a researched T1 BPO of every kind was taking quite a while. The mods were all 250/250 (including "old" rigs - now large) and the ships 100/100.
Now I cant fail anymore. I may even finish my project before old age prevents me from logging in. So.... thank you CCP?
Now i can refine mission loot so much easier since the window tells me if there is anything valuable in between :D No more having to know anything about anything and lots of safetynets.
Can you even imagine a game where lulz could be have when someone refined something valuable or put up a stupid market order while drunk? Players would leave in droves, and it would hurt cashflow - pretty hard to monetize something that's not sleek and accessible by all on all platforms. |
Zinther Del'Ara
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Feel free to tell us all how you market a change in spreadsheet eve to new players from the likes of wow and call of duty.
You don't. They are not welcome. Not everything should be easy, neat and chewable. Not everything should be monetized, sleek and come with facebook login support. |
Anya Solette
28
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:19:00 -
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Zinther Del'Ara wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Feel free to tell us all how you market a change in spreadsheet eve to new players from the likes of wow and call of duty.
You don't. They are not welcome. Not everything should be easy, neat and chewable. Not everything should be monetized, sleek and come with facebook login support.
Do you even know the meaning of the word 'monetize'? |
Zinther Del'Ara
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:21:00 -
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Where is the button that makes all my orders undercut by .01 isk? Where is the module that runs missions, salvages loots and automatically refines meta <2 and sells meta >3
How much gold should i make per "tick" before it makes moving to lowsec profitable? Are there still pirates? Who do i need to give isk not to be bothered?
I'm a very high profile WOW player, and make a lot of unboxing videos for youtube so you should listen or i take my money elsewhere CCP! |
Zinther Del'Ara
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:22:00 -
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Anya Solette wrote:Zinther Del'Ara wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Feel free to tell us all how you market a change in spreadsheet eve to new players from the likes of wow and call of duty.
You don't. They are not welcome. Not everything should be easy, neat and chewable. Not everything should be monetized, sleek and come with facebook login support. Do you even know the meaning of the word 'monetize'?
Yes, trying to milk every last penny out of every damn feature. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
742
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:31:00 -
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Zinther Del'Ara wrote:Anya Solette wrote:Zinther Del'Ara wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Feel free to tell us all how you market a change in spreadsheet eve to new players from the likes of wow and call of duty.
You don't. They are not welcome. Not everything should be easy, neat and chewable. Not everything should be monetized, sleek and come with facebook login support. Do you even know the meaning of the word 'monetize'? Yes, trying to milk every last penny out of every damn feature.
Sigh....
you do realize that eve was made in 2000... and that when it was released in 2003 the tred was for more GHZ. So most if not all of ccp's old code was written to be optimized for single core more ghz units. Then someone got this brillat idea to add more cores to a processor. So CCP's code could not scale. But CCP kept plowing ahead, and made more single core code. Eventually they went 'yea we have to fix this' which is where we are. Changing the industry features is not about milking it for all its worth. Its abut removing old single core code and going to multicore. Also, the way things worked back in 2003 which was the last time industry was looked out, are out dated and old. And some of the reasoning for doing things a certin way no longer make sense/are invalid. So they decided to change it.
If the game doesn't evolve it dies. In order to evolve things needs to change. My guess is, a lot of stuff people are laughing at as lame now will actually tie into the bigger picture once all the pecies are in place. But we will see. If they are working towards a single huge goal, then all the little pieces won't make sense till they are all done. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Anya Solette
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:38:00 -
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Zinther Del'Ara wrote:Anya Solette wrote:Zinther Del'Ara wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Feel free to tell us all how you market a change in spreadsheet eve to new players from the likes of wow and call of duty.
You don't. They are not welcome. Not everything should be easy, neat and chewable. Not everything should be monetized, sleek and come with facebook login support. Do you even know the meaning of the word 'monetize'? Yes, trying to milk every last penny out of every damn feature.
Forum ate my longwinded post, but I am personally glad for Crius, because it means I can maybe make some money in industry, as opposed to forever and always losing my ass to some industry baron who has sat on BPOs for years researching them until every last tritanium that can be squeezed out of the blueprint is.
Now I can lose my ass to perhaps products not moving, or someone making items in a station that they paid to have a bonus to %ME, rather than some dude who hoarded BPOs for years.
They really need to increase the maximum job limit before hitting the 10% tax cap, because it is way too low across the board. A lot of people who were not in industry became involved in it, and CCP's metrics for system activity are all out of whack.
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Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
47
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:38:00 -
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Great patch. Way to go CCP. Thanks for having the balls to make things better. There's still a long road ahead. But congrats on a job well done. |
Galphii
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:44:00 -
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There's a lot of work to be done to get EvE modernized. It's a massive, massive game, but one of the really important pillars has been updated - Industry. We'll have to wait for more of the game to be fixed up before the complete balance picture becomes clear. Sovereignty/capitals, POS and highsec missions/all npc's are the other huge tasks to overhaul, and I'm eager to see where they go from here. X |
Zinther Del'Ara
Viziam Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:50:00 -
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I *hope* it's a bug, cause so far the tax system makes no sense. I've always steered clear of highly populated systems for industry and moved to an even quiter system production wise. Looks like it's counting jumps. I'm pretty much alone in the factory, but it is a highway system.
I was hoping for something like a refining mini-profession, buying up loot and remelting it but it's just 50% across the board
The only skills i have used are industry lvl1 for building, and scrapmetal reproc. for some mission loot. I can already do all that on my main so hoping for some industry rebuff in the future or a lot of specialized industry characters will be biomassed.
The new interface is neat, but several aspects have been dumbed down. |
Zinther Del'Ara
Viziam Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:14:00 -
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DaReaper wrote: Sigh....
you do realize that eve was made in 2000... and that when it was released in 2003 the tred was for more GHZ. So most if not all of ccp's old code was written to be optimized for single core more ghz units. Then someone got this brillat idea to add more cores to a processor. So CCP's code could not scale. But CCP kept plowing ahead, and made more single core code. Eventually they went 'yea we have to fix this' which is where we are. Changing the industry features is not about milking it for all its worth. Its abut removing old single core code and going to multicore. Also, the way things worked back in 2003 which was the last time industry was looked out, are out dated and old. And some of the reasoning for doing things a certin way no longer make sense/are invalid. So they decided to change it.
If the game doesn't evolve it dies. In order to evolve things needs to change. My guess is, a lot of stuff people are laughing at as lame now will actually tie into the bigger picture once all the pecies are in place. But we will see. If they are working towards a single huge goal, then all the little pieces won't make sense till they are all done.
Wat?
How does industry being dumbed down have anything to with how many cores my cpu has? Only thing this patch has boosted is the few big alliances wallets. |
Darren Airtex
Dayman Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:23:00 -
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Well, I am still pretty much new to EVE. I am not making tons of things yet or am I a great pilot. I am still working on getting my first solo kill in PVP.
But from what I have seen so far, I LIKE IT!
Enjoy the change, most just do not want to let go of the old way of doing things. Change can be a good thing.
However if someone feels the overwhelming desire to get upset with the change and decide to leave the EVE Universe, no worries. I am sure that there will be a urge to return that will kick in soon.
Now... take a good look at it, it is, in reality, a good thing. Life is all about change, if there is no change then there is just the stagnation of what's left.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8082
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:33:00 -
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I appreciate Crius because even though graphics card issues pretty much prevent me from actually playing the game lately, I still get to enjoy tears from post patch frenzies.
Thank you, CCP. You have made a tired old sociopath's day. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
100
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:40:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:RAIN Arthie wrote:Did it make producing drugs easier? No, you have to stay under that laundry factory for the forseeable future.
I seem to crave Los Pollos Hermanos now. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
745
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:28:00 -
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Zinther Del'Ara wrote:DaReaper wrote: Sigh....
you do realize that eve was made in 2000... and that when it was released in 2003 the tred was for more GHZ. So most if not all of ccp's old code was written to be optimized for single core more ghz units. Then someone got this brillat idea to add more cores to a processor. So CCP's code could not scale. But CCP kept plowing ahead, and made more single core code. Eventually they went 'yea we have to fix this' which is where we are. Changing the industry features is not about milking it for all its worth. Its abut removing old single core code and going to multicore. Also, the way things worked back in 2003 which was the last time industry was looked out, are out dated and old. And some of the reasoning for doing things a certin way no longer make sense/are invalid. So they decided to change it.
If the game doesn't evolve it dies. In order to evolve things needs to change. My guess is, a lot of stuff people are laughing at as lame now will actually tie into the bigger picture once all the pecies are in place. But we will see. If they are working towards a single huge goal, then all the little pieces won't make sense till they are all done.
Wat? How does industry being dumbed down have anything to with how many cores my cpu has? Only thing this patch has boosted is the few big alliances wallets.
As they say in the south... "oh bless your heart." your cpu has squat to do with it, the games server cpu however...
Each piece of changed code makes the game function better. people ***** about TiDi and then whine that they wasted time dealing with industry, but if industry can now use more then one core then it will boost performance across the board. Thus less tidi. Nothing was dumbed down, things were made less clicky and annoying. Thats a benefit. My wrist thank ccp. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
588
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Posted - 2014.07.23 03:11:00 -
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Galadriel Vasquez wrote:The new UI is intuitive and slick. It makes jobs so much easier. I am also liking the new planetary tab where you can quickly access your PI.
Nice work CCP and Thanks!
Now to bid for some funky teams :)
If you like that, I made a suggestion in Features and Ideas back in April to add a search function on the materials list on blueprints.
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Daler Farmon
Dark Predator Strike Force
11
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Posted - 2014.07.23 05:15:00 -
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lets rename this patch name and call it crYus)).. |
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