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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6445
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:15:00 -
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UK politician wants in-game theft considered a real crime
http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/matthew-wilson/uk-politician-wants-in-game-thieves-to-be-prosecuted/
Would EvE get a special exemption?
Is this something that appeals to anyone here?
And if so, really?! "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
464
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:18:00 -
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Can't get that into EVE, as it's not real theft and the game works around the freedom to do so.
They'd have to close it if they had to remove this. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6445
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:22:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Can't get that into EVE, as it's not real theft and the game works around the freedom to do so.
They'd have to close it if they had to remove this.
True.
Its the "in-game scammers" part that caught my attention
Of course, its come from a WoW-Playing Tory, so of course its a stupid idea "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23314
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:25:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:True.
Its the "in-game scammers" part that caught my attention
Of course, its come from a WoW-Playing Tory, so of course its a stupid idea That's easy enough to manage.
GÇ£Hello, this is the CCP GM team. We see here that you got another player in legal trouble over legitimate gameplay. You also claimed to own our data and assigned a real-life value to it. This means we now ban all of your accounts and payment methods for life for harassment and obvious intent to RMT.GÇ¥
The whiners would run out pretty quicklyGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
106
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:26:00 -
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I can get behind prosecuting account hackers, but prosecuting people for in game scamming (as much as I hate the scamming) is just plain stupid. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19804
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:27:00 -
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He'd have a fit if he played Eve instead of WoW. Can you imagine the tear threads his unpaid lackeys would shitpost for him?
The facebook thread is full of butthurt carebears, with the occasional Eve player stirring it up
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6447
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:30:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:He'd have a fit if he played Eve instead of WoW. Can you imagine the tear threads his unpaid lackeys would shitpost for him?
He's been divorced twice, plays WoW and promised his electorate to wear an Iron Maiden tshirt into the Commons, then said he wasnt allowed to, so didn't.
He also likes cycling for charity.
I think EvE would be the death of him. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23320
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:31:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:He'd have a fit if he played Eve instead of WoW. Can you imagine the tear threads his unpaid lackeys would shitpost for him?
He's been divorced twice, plays WoW and promised his electorate to wear an Iron Maiden tshirt into the Commons, then said he wasnt allowed to, so didn't. He also likes cycling for charity. I think EvE would be the death of him. Is that an argument for or against him playing EVE? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19804
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:33:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:I think EvE would be the death of him. He's a politician, that's a good thing.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
465
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:34:00 -
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Hypocrits and weaklings.
Democrazy is slavery. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1604
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:37:00 -
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He probably managed to get himself scammed even in WoW.
Taking the loss of a super-dragon-sword or whatever to a RL country Justice Minister probably breaks the world record of videogame tears. EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2298
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:38:00 -
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Well, hijacking accounts that you paid for should be treated same way as hijacking cars for example. After all you paid for it and somebody accessed it without your knowledge/permission, what's the difference between WoW account and Eve account and bank account or email account? In all cases it's not a matter of "what's inside" but a matter of your paid exclusive access to particular resource is being violated by unauthorized 3rd party.
Games are big business now and a lot of money is floating around but somehow governments only notice it when they want to collect taxes but when it comes to enforcing law games are for children and you should pickup proper adult hobby and who cares about your Sword of Ten Thousand Truths you paid 10k euro for. Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8155
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:41:00 -
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They'd have a real hard time getting around the fact that the EULA, expressly agreed to by every player, says that any and all in game assets are the sole property of CCP.
Also, jeez. I had no idea there was this much butthurt in the UK. Talk about your first world problems. If people are genuinely so bored that they can agitate about videogame money, they need a war or something to get their heads out of their asses. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Grenadier Greyback
May Cause Irritation
20
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:45:00 -
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On behalf of all British people I would like to apologise for this colossal thunder-c*** https://i.imgur.com/xnZKiON.gif |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6449
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Also, jeez. I had no idea there was this much butthurt in the UK.
Yeah, they are called the English (only j/k)
But seriously, I am behind people being taken away or fined or whatever for account hackery, but its the idea that in-game scamming should be illegal was what made me laugh like a drain.
Also get this;
In WoW; its illegal for a Rogue (aka a THIEF class in D&D) to steal money or scam, but racially motivated murder (ie PvP vs the Horde/Alliance) is completely legal. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
767
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:50:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:They'd have a real hard time getting around the fact that the EULA, expressly agreed to by every player, says that any and all in game assets are the sole property of CCP.
Also, jeez. I had no idea there was this much butthurt in the UK. Talk about your first world problems. If people are genuinely so bored that they can agitate about videogame money, they need a war or something to get their heads out of their asses.
I expect he had someone ninja-loot an item, or possibly roll need for an alt on a purple.
The worrying thing is that his position in government is not just an MP, he is the Secretary of the all party group on Intellectual Property.
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Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
465
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:54:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Also, jeez. I had no idea there was this much butthurt in the UK.
Yeah, they are called the English (only j/k) But seriously, I am behind people being taken away or fined or whatever for account hackery, but its the idea that in-game scamming should be illegal was what made me laugh like a drain. Also get this; In WoW; its illegal for a Rogue (aka a THIEF class in D&D) to steal money or scam, but racially motivated murder (ie PvP vs the Horde/Alliance) is completely legal. What I am reading...
We should form an EVE guild in Wow, creating characters to specifically hunt down and kill people all day, to make them feel misrable... but within legal gameplay.
I'm in, we need just a few more peeps. XD http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6449
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:56:00 -
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Christina Project wrote: What I am reading...
We should form an EVE guild in Wow, creating characters to specifically hunt down and kill people all day, to make them feel misrable... but within legal gameplay.
I'm in, we need just a few more peeps. XD
What happened to the YOGZ? (Sorry that should be YOGS, yogz are a brand of yoghurts for children here)
Did they all trade in their mounts for Supers? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19805
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Posted - 2014.07.25 11:58:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:What I am reading...
We should form an EVE guild in Wow, creating characters to specifically hunt down and kill people all day, to make them feel misrable... but within legal gameplay.
I'm in, we need just a few more peeps. XD Goon Squad
p/j4g though
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1190
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Posted - 2014.07.25 12:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I think EvE would be the death of him. Is that an argument for or against him playing EVE? I believe that can only be de decided after he did it... Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
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Ryuu Towryk
Reiuji Heavy Industries
23
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Posted - 2014.07.25 12:03:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
667
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Posted - 2014.07.25 12:24:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Would EvE get a special exemption?
Yes - because theft in EVE is part of the game. In fact, grief and theft are well-documented parts of the game in my opinion.
If you are taking stuff from other players by breaking rules, hacking the game, or taking someone's account is not the same thing as playing a legitimate game mechanic.
If I made a game called "Master of Theives MMO", where the main aim was to steal stuff from people, it would be unreasonable to take legal action against another player who stole from me. Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together - -áFleet-Up.com |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1477
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Posted - 2014.07.25 12:26:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:They'd have a real hard time getting around the fact that the EULA, expressly agreed to by every player, says that any and all in game assets are the sole property of CCP.
Also, jeez. I had no idea there was this much butthurt in the UK. Talk about your first world problems. If people are genuinely so bored that they can agitate about videogame money, they need a war or something to get their heads out of their asses. Moscow by 2016 XD |
Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
468
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Posted - 2014.07.25 12:35:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Christina Project wrote:What I am reading...
We should form an EVE guild in Wow, creating characters to specifically hunt down and kill people all day, to make them feel misrable... but within legal gameplay.
I'm in, we need just a few more peeps. XD Goon Squadp/j4g though So... what? What does that have to do with what I said? http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1207
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Posted - 2014.07.25 12:36:00 -
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I'm willing to bet he ran a PUG in some scrub dungeon without using master loot and got his epic leather belt ninja'd by a 12 year old who bought his character on eBay. My lord. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6453
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Posted - 2014.07.25 12:37:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Christina Project wrote:What I am reading...
We should form an EVE guild in Wow, creating characters to specifically hunt down and kill people all day, to make them feel misrable... but within legal gameplay.
I'm in, we need just a few more peeps. XD Goon Squadp/j4g though So... what? What does that have to do with what I said?
That's the guild you are talking about. It already exists
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Marsha Mallow
1348
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:01:00 -
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Handily his website has a contact email. I was just about to send a buddy code invite, then noticed he's a chartered accountant. Best not, he might accept the code and start playing, then stay for the spreadsheets. Don't think I could cope with another guffaw inducing moral crusade blogger, he'd probably get onto the CSM too. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
469
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:04:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Christina Project wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Christina Project wrote:What I am reading...
We should form an EVE guild in Wow, creating characters to specifically hunt down and kill people all day, to make them feel misrable... but within legal gameplay.
I'm in, we need just a few more peeps. XD Goon Squadp/j4g though So... what? What does that have to do with what I said? That's the guild you are talking about. It already exists No it's not, because obviously I wasn't talking about an already existing one.
Maybe all people in EVE should just group up in one single corp too?
You make no sense. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6455
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:05:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:
No it's not, because obviously I wasn't talking about an already existing one.
Maybe all people in EVE should just group up in one single corp too?
You make no sense.
Shut your cakehole you daft tranny "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
469
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:08:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Christina Project wrote:
No it's not, because obviously I wasn't talking about an already existing one.
Maybe all people in EVE should just group up in one single corp too?
You make no sense.
Shut your cakehole you daft tranny Wow. That's weak minded. Else you will do what exactly?
Did I even talk to you? Nope.
Maybe drop the bottle for a bit, hm? (: http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6455
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:12:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:
Did I even talk to you? Nope.
That wig too tight on your walnut? You did actually
Christina Project wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: That's the guild you are talking about. It already exists
No it's not, because obviously I wasn't talking about an already existing one. Maybe all people in EVE should just group up in one single corp too? You make no sense.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Marsha Mallow
1350
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:14:00 -
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Just testing new sig, don't mind me SHUT YOUR CAKEHOLE, YOU DAFT TRANNY! |
Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
470
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:17:00 -
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Lol look how the weak ego freaks flock together, because they are sooo strong when they can support eachother lol.
Weak children in adult age http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19810
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:17:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Just testing new sig, don't mind me would that tranny be stick or slush?
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6457
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:19:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Lol look how the weak ego freaks flock together, because they are sooo strong when they can support eachother lol.
Weak children in adult age If you could do anything but insult other people and pretend to be a female, then perhaps your mouth-flapping may be of some relevance, otherwise it is a waste of time even to block you.
You sad, sorry embarrassment. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
470
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:20:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Christina Project wrote:
Did I even talk to you? Nope.
That wig too tight on your walnut? You did actually Christina Project wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: That's the guild you are talking about. It already exists
No it's not, because obviously I wasn't talking about an already existing one. Maybe all people in EVE should just group up in one single corp too? You make no sense. Aaaahhhh that's why. I was mistaken who i talked to.
My bad.
Still... your response... hilariously stupid. XD
And marsha the weak mind always jumps in as soon as she thinks there is an opportunity to sting me. She is the most hilarious. XD i rustled her jimmies bigtime. XD
Well... *shrug* ... nicely done anyway. (: http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6457
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:21:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:
Still... your response... hilariously stupid. XD
Funny, you are the only one laughing. Seems I hit a nerve.
Truth hurt, fatboy? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
470
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:22:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Christina Project wrote:Lol look how the weak ego freaks flock together, because they are sooo strong when they can support eachother lol.
Weak children in adult age If you could do anything but insult other people and pretend to be a female, then perhaps your mouth-flapping may be of some relevance, otherwise it is a waste of time even to block you. You sad, sorry embarrassment. First you stop drinking, okay? (: http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
470
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:24:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Christina Project wrote:
Still... your response... hilariously stupid. XD
Funny, you are the only one laughing. Seems I hit a nerve. Truth hurt, fatboy? Nope. Just seeing what happens.
I accidentially struck your nerve. You feel insulted by nothing. Marsha jumps in because she can't deal with me.
You seem to start to want a wordfight, not sure though.
It IS hilarious! XD http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
Marsha Mallow
1350
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:24:00 -
[40] - Quote
Christina Project wrote:First you stop drinking, okay? (: New sig time \o/ I was going to spam a few of the WiS threads but the residents get a bit irate if you poke fun at them. DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
702
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:27:00 -
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He's talking about hacking, account theft, that kind of thing. I'm fine with that being a criminal offence. Kind-of surprised it isn't already. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6457
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:28:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:He's talking about hacking, account theft, that kind of thing. I'm fine with that being a criminal offence. Kind-of surprised it isn't already.
Yeah but he specifically mentions in-game scamming too "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1604
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Posted - 2014.07.25 13:38:00 -
[43] - Quote
Victoria Sin wrote:He's talking about hacking, account theft, that kind of thing. I'm fine with that being a criminal offence. Kind-of surprised it isn't already. I guess it's hard to quantify the actual damage done, for example.
Say you have a rare ship in your hangar, someone hacks your EVE account, undocks and self destructs, how would you quantify the damage?
Saying you 'bought' that ship in a 'virtual world' with 1 Trillion ISK 'fake money' that 'in theory' is worth 1,250$? EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19813
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:01:00 -
[44] - Quote
Can you describe the person who stole your internet spaceship sir?
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Emma Muutaras
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:19:00 -
[45] - Quote
If he played eve he would soon learn what real politics is all about not to mention what real scams are.
a game where you can lose everything that has took years upon years to accumulate to a scammer in a few seconds, he would probably be taking ccp to the European court of human rights for the mental distress inflicted upon him. |
Areen Sassel
14
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Posted - 2014.07.25 15:12:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:He's talking about hacking, account theft, that kind of thing. I'm fine with that being a criminal offence. Kind-of surprised it isn't already.
It already is a criminal offence in the UK. Unauthorised access to (or modification of) computer systems became an offence under the Computer Misuse Act 1990. |
Madi Sin
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.07.25 15:52:00 -
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One has to assume they are talking about activities outside of the games designed content. If theft, destruction of property are encouraged and supported game play by design then it would not be a criminal activity. This is most certainly only intended for misdeeds conducted outside of the games EULA (IE Hacking, Account Theft, exploits) etc. |
Chewytowel Haklar
Perkins Industry
55
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:00:00 -
[48] - Quote
Inmate: So what are you in here for?
Me: I scammed in Jita in EVE Online and got caught. |
Emiko P'eng
110
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:20:00 -
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Well
After a quick check elsewhere, what he is after is Hackers and Gold Scammers / Sellers (Mainly because they use hacked accounts and break EULA)
That is all well and good as it should be
BUT!
Being a British politician and the total lack of digital savvy in 99.99% of all the rest of the UK politicians
The dogs dinner of a mess that his Anti-Hacking / Anti Scamming bill would become after it had wended its way through Parliament is only to be imagined, I shudder at the prospect
It would be as bad as the 'Dangerous Dog' act which instead of saying prosecute the owners of 'Dangerous Dogs' instead attempted to define that a 'Dangerous Dog' was a breed of dog that does not actually officially exist, then have them all impounded and put down!!! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19819
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:25:00 -
[50] - Quote
Emiko P'eng wrote:.... the total lack of digital savvy in 99.99% of all the rest of the UK politicians You give them too much credit.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
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Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
547
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:42:00 -
[51] - Quote
I call it a publicity stunt.
Any publicity is good publicity, even if it's dumb and disconnected with reality.
He might as well proposed a law that would force everyone to wear pink hats on Thursdays and it would produce the same effect. o.0 |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1471
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:15:00 -
[52] - Quote
Grenadier Greyback wrote:On behalf of all British people I would like to apologise for this colossal thunder] It's ok, not going to hold it against the UK. Politicians around the world are pretty much idio...um...less than optimal, too.
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2643
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:35:00 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Grenadier Greyback wrote:On behalf of all British people I would like to apologise for this colossal thunder] It's ok, not going to hold it against the UK. Politicians around the world are pretty much idio...um...less than optimal, too.
But that's ok, because when they're at less than optimal we can hit them the hardest. MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:40:00 -
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Emiko P'eng wrote:Well After a quick check elsewhere, what he is after is Hackers and Gold Scammers / Sellers (Mainly because they use hacked accounts and break EULA) That is all well and good as it should be BUT!Being a British politician and the total lack of digital savvy in 99.99% of all the rest of the UK politicians The dogs dinner of a mess that his Anti-Hacking / Anti Scamming bill would become after it had wended its way through Parliament is only to be imagined, I shudder at the prospect It would be as bad as the 'Dangerous Dog' act which instead of saying prosecute the owners of 'Dangerous Dogs' instead attempted to define that a 'Dangerous Dog' was a breed of dog that does not actually officially exist, then have them all impounded and put down!!!
This is pretty much 100% how I saw it, thanks for putting it a way I couldnt :) "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:45:00 -
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There are lots of MMO players who get scammed and are sour for it. Usually they don't have legislative power.
Anyways, I don't think in-game assets are considered assets at all by any government, but even if they are they would belong to the game company and not the individual. |
Miichael Epic
Event Horizon Consecution Psychotic Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:00:00 -
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That's ridiculous. The last thing ANYONE needs is MORE government regulations.
That guy needs to take a long walk off of a short pier. I think in-game scammers should be stopped and there should be harsh in-game punishments but real life? Are you serious?
Although you do realize why this is right? Because pretty soon we're all going to be living in the Matrix and rocking our own set of surrogates. (Bruce Willis movie) |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:21:00 -
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Stopped reading right here:
Quote:The UK politician is a World of Warcraft player
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Avaelica Kuershin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:27:00 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:He's talking about hacking, account theft, that kind of thing. I'm fine with that being a criminal offence. Kind-of surprised it isn't already. It already is a criminal offence in the UK. Unauthorised access to (or modification of) computer systems became an offence under the Computer Misuse Act 1990.
Does that act cover accounts? I wonder whether it left a gaping hole because the politicians were focused on hacking into systems rather than hacking of accounts.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:51:00 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Areen Sassel wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:He's talking about hacking, account theft, that kind of thing. I'm fine with that being a criminal offence. Kind-of surprised it isn't already. It already is a criminal offence in the UK. Unauthorised access to (or modification of) computer systems became an offence under the Computer Misuse Act 1990. Does that act cover accounts? I wonder whether it left a gaping hole because the politicians were focused on hacking into systems rather than hacking of accounts.
It covers anything that involves you accessing ~stuff~ on any computer system where you're not authorised to be accessing it.
The same story was on the Guardian's website and was horribly written. It was only when the author responded to comments that it became vaguely clear that she understood the crook in question meant "hacking" and not in-game actions. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:04:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:He's talking about hacking, account theft, that kind of thing. I'm fine with that being a criminal offence. Kind-of surprised it isn't already.
Those already are.
What he's really talking about is putting real people in jail because of hurt feelings in a videogame. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:10:00 -
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Sounds to me like a stupid law like that would be the starting point to taxation.
"Hey, we protected your pixels, so they must be worth something. Here's a new 'vitual' property tax you can pay for said pixels."
(At least thats how our gov here in the US would pull it off.)
. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
702
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:47:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:He's talking about hacking, account theft, that kind of thing. I'm fine with that being a criminal offence. Kind-of surprised it isn't already. Yeah but he specifically mentions in-game scamming too
Well then it gets a bit ambiguous. For example if you bought the item/s with real cash then yes, that's real theft. Not something I would do or have ever done in a game. Still wouldn't count for Eve though I don't think, because you buy PLEX or game time with cash, not actual game items.
The only problem I see here are clever lawyers at the ECHR. Regardless it's interesting to note just how far behind the times our legal systems are. They're only just catching up with the invention of the internet. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1023
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Posted - 2014.07.25 23:05:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:He's talking about hacking, account theft, that kind of thing. I'm fine with that being a criminal offence. Kind-of surprised it isn't already. Yeah but he specifically mentions in-game scamming too Well then it gets a bit ambiguous. For example if you bought the item/s with real cash then yes, that's real theft. Not something I would do or have ever done in a game. Still wouldn't count for Eve though I don't think, because you buy PLEX or game time with cash, not actual game items. The only problem I see here are clever lawyers at the ECHR. Regardless it's interesting to note just how far behind the times our legal systems are. They're only just catching up with the invention of the internet.
The opinion of gamers and game devs is irrelevant its what courts decide that matters.
1. There is european case law to establish that in game assets are items of value that can be stolen. Establishing dollar value is tricky, the court is likely to calculate the value on the basis of the time taken in game for the victim to acquire the assets.
2. There have already been convictions for theft of ingame assets through real life extortion in seveal jurisdiction. The "real life extortion" could only be prosecuted if the ingame assets had value in law.
3. Numerous courts including some US have ruled that EULAs are only relevant in contract law in disputes between aggrieved parties. Crimninal courts are free to (and do regularly) ignore what a EULA says,
4. If the political executive of a country make legislature that changes the status of online assets and makes acts regarding them illegal then all the courts can do is "interpret" that unless its challenged on some sort of constitutional or bill of rights grounds. |
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