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BFE
Thee Almitee Ones
20
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Posted - 2014.08.22 13:23:00 -
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w3ak3stl1nk wrote:The ship might have gone a different route if it had sensor damps and neuts. Branch out of SoE theme and go EWar. Drone logistics bonus might have been a neat twist. Add some better cap regen also. More mass for plate friendly. Targeting ghost site theme instead of WH would be a lot easier for a BS. Range bonus for hacking would be necessary though... Looting container might be tough though.... Maybe site should have jettison 1 can with a decent timer so you can tractor beam it...
Why would SOE goes out of their own them when creating a ship? Do Amarr go outside of Amarrian theme and use projectile weapons and hybrids? No, they stick to primarily lasers, and secondary missiles..... Do Caldari go outside of their theme and use armor tanks? No, they primarily stick to shield tanking.....
If you want a ship outside of SOE theme.... to go to the market... there are many non-SOE ships, with non-SOE themes.....
Sisters Of Eve are primarily for exploration/etc. Focus the Nestor's buffs for that with its battleship tanking/weapons. |
w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
81
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Posted - 2014.08.22 14:42:00 -
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BFE wrote:w3ak3stl1nk wrote:The ship might have gone a different route if it had sensor damps and neuts. Branch out of SoE theme and go EWar. Drone logistics bonus might have been a neat twist. Add some better cap regen also. More mass for plate friendly. Targeting ghost site theme instead of WH would be a lot easier for a BS. Range bonus for hacking would be necessary though... Looting container might be tough though.... Maybe site should have jettison 1 can with a decent timer so you can tractor beam it... Why would SOE goes out of their own them when creating a ship? Do Amarr go outside of Amarrian theme and use projectile weapons and hybrids? No, they stick to primarily lasers, and secondary missiles..... Do Caldari go outside of their theme and use armor tanks? No, they primarily stick to shield tanking..... If you want a ship outside of SOE theme.... to go to the market... there are many non-SOE ships, with non-SOE themes..... Sisters Of Eve are primarily for exploration/etc. Focus the Nestor's buffs for that with its battleship tanking/weapons. You are probably right, but making the ship better for wormholes may not be the fix it needs. Just thinking drone repair bonus might be neat and different compared to normal RR. The tank style of astero and stratios is good. Making it work for data/relic/ghost might help. Is that my two cents or yours? |
ElectronHerd Askulf
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
7
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Posted - 2014.08.22 16:45:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:... has the added benefit of making the Nestor the first battleship that can jump into C1 wormholes.
Is this a side-effect, or does it relate to the other changes being made in wormholes?
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Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:14:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:This is how nestor can be used in wormhole space after patch.
Role: day-tripping into WH space, ninja-looting sleeper sites.
How:
Put zephyr into ship bay.
Find a chain of c5-c4 wormholes.
Use the probing bonus on the nestor to probe down the signatures.
Warp to each one @100, check if there is a talocan - microjump away to warp off if tackled.
If there is a talocan, use zephyr to bookmark spot next to talocans (leave nestor in space for a minute)
Warp in with a nestor on top of the talocan, hack it while tanking (big buffer (3-4 plates), cap injectors, resists). You should hack talocan in a minute tops, nestor has a bonus to it. Big buffer will tank for long enough, c4-c5 sleepers only do 500dps on first wave. Loot talocan, use cap injector, microjump out, warp out.
Repair in safe spot, rinse, repeat, move on to new wormhole.
I do exactly this only i use a passive nighthawk with MDJ, cap injector, and relic analyzer. I admit I probably would switch to nestor just because of hack bonus - last night for example i pulled 6 server banks with a nighthawk, but hacking in a non-bonused ship sucks, even in max-skilled toon. I also have alts for probing, bookmarking, etc., and I do server banks only if there is a big concentration of them in my chain, normally i do c6 sites., but for a day-tripping character who does NOT have alts, POS, etc., totally viable. 4 talocans will give about 200-300mil in loot. 4 Server banks can be found in an hour. in a chain. C4 sites nobody ever does as well, and they have talocans as well.
I suppose 200-300 mil per hour is decent earnings, ship will pay for itself in 3-4 hours of work. [...]
My only issue with your theme here is the limited cargo capacity of the ship means you can only clear out a few Talocans before its full. Granted, thats full of nice loot, but full nonetheless. Zephyr is an excellent solution for scouting sleeper sites assuming it's bonuses still work. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2060
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:19:00 -
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With the new reduction in mass, reduction in cost, and sma it may see some practical use in wormholes. The significantly reduced mass and other abillities at least give it a well defined role, even if that role is low-class-wormhole boat of choice, which is still the tiniest of niches. |
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.08.22 23:03:00 -
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I've been following this debate a while now, not sure if I should even bring anything up as I don't own, and am very unlikely to ever own, a Nestor, as it just doesn't suit my conservative, carebearish style of play and PVP.
I do appreciate that this ship can now effectively traverse space and (especially in a spider tanking fleet of similar hulls) venture into the once defenders-only battleship using crowd of C1 wormholes. Sure, you have to offline all your plates to enter, but still you CAN enter and, more importantly, leave when the deed is done, without the need to self destruct like every other battleship hull in the game has to from a C1 system. Kudos to actually having a potential design goal for this ship.
Here's the only downside... it's a 1.6 billion isk hull that only really shines when paired with at least another 1.6 billion ISK hull. By that point thats a 20 man fleet of anything else we'd be using to bash a set of POSes in a C1, with some T2 logi support thrown in for good measure. The same designs that would hold a small group of anything else at bay will hold a small group of Nestors off as well.
What I'm referring to here, ladies and gents, is that a Dickstar design POS will be even more effective against a fleet of remote repping battleships than it will be against a fleet of what folks used before this change hits. Usually its about having enough meatsuits to sit in capsules to fly stuff, not about how few hulls someone can bring in (and out) of an engagement in EVE. The odds almost always favor the group with the higher numbers.
Higher numbers and cheaper hulls means more flexibility and adaptability. Yes, the Nestor takes the place of an Orca for these doctrines invading C2-4 wormholes now, but only to a small degree as a Nestor can't haul in the POS, or the siege support tower modules, or the extra ammo or POS fuel or whatever else you may desire for a protracted engagement, meaninng at least a DST is still required for this form of warfare.
I believe some of the prominent nullsec groups have already stated that any doctrine is going to specifically avoid large fleets of ships over 250m in value. This means HACs are about the higher end of things, with some T2 logi and CS support. Pirate BS hulls are too pricey, navy hulls are the same, even navy BCs and pirate cruisers end up being too expensive in most cases. So at least the right group is being targeted for these, in WHs, but in almost every case you would want a Nestor, some T2 logi or an Archon would do the job more effectively, with less risk, and greater chance of all fleet members surviving.
Now, I could be wrong. The Nestor might be that hero refitting ship able to save that dread that just got pointed from a certain (as well as protracted and lingering) death. But 3 T3s might be a better investment, for around the same pricetag. But hey, I'm always around the risk vs. reward. If I can make a 5m (fit included) Epithal or Kryos do the same task as a 250m Occator, you better believe I'm leaving the T2 at home and running gate camps in my T1. (Besides, it's so fun watching guys reshipping trying to find something that can take it out before I warp or stop it.) The same stuff that would stop it would stop any DST cold. The same camps that would let me sneak past unscathed would let both ships through equally. Its about what risk is worthy of the reward, and how crucial is that cargo I'm hauling.
In the case of the Nestor, how much do I need a BS that can enter and leave a C1? How many BS hulls can I drop in that same C1 and not care if they live or die, and get much greater effect from? Would 3x RR Domis do the job better, for a small fraction of the price? They most surely would. Its even easy to get friends to come and join me in a romp if I'm handing them all a ship to use (and lose) while we're shooting stuff. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11317
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:21:00 -
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Has anyone actually tested the handling characteristics of this ship on sisi? Because holy **** does it accelerate slowly with 100MN prop mods. It's embarrassing. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
114
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Posted - 2014.08.23 08:27:00 -
[428] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey guys, after some more feedback from you guys we have a couple more additions to the changes to announce.
We're going to increase the sensor strength of the Nestor a bit to better reflect its role as a high-tech support vessel.
We're also going to be decreasing the mass of the ship quite a bit, down to 20m kg. This will help keep the Nestor balanced for use in highsec wars as it will be easier to bump away from the safety of stations, and has the added benefit of making the Nestor the first battleship that can jump into C1 wormholes. We'll be decreasing the base speed and inertia modifier at the same time, but the end result is that the Nestor will be a bit more agile and will be a bit faster than before with its prop mod running.
The new changes are:
Mass: 20,000,000 (-36,000,000) Inertia: 0.5 (+0.32) Velocity: 65 (-27) Magnetometric Sensor Strength: 30 (+6)
I can appreciate the idea that someone actually considered hisec when balancing something, but this really isn't a positive change. This ship lacks a well defined niche, and it's viability in WH space is severely limited by cost/inability to cloak/too large to begin with. The logistics feature seems more like a shot in the dark to create some sort of all purpose craft, not really working very well, and where's our shield counterpart? |
w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
81
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Posted - 2014.08.23 16:43:00 -
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I would have like cap regen bonus or logistics drone bonus or wormhole mass role bonus or hacking range bonus. Remove laser bonus. Covert ops cloak should go to black ops if any BS gets it. Is that my two cents or yours? |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
645
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Posted - 2014.08.23 16:48:00 -
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No BS should be cov-ops in my opinion, they're just too damn big to hide. Giving it the target spectrum breaker with associated bonus would make for some interesting tactical choices on an attackers part though. Ignore the BS and go after the unhindered hi-repped associated stratios/asteros trying to eat your ship or try to target the BS and very possibly waste time if you don't get a lock...whilst the associated stratios and asteros (asterii?) are trying to eat you. |
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Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
10
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:03:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:No BS should be cov-ops in my opinion, they're just too damn big to hide. Giving it the target spectrum breaker with associated bonus would make for some interesting tactical choices on an attackers part though. Ignore the BS and go after the unhindered hi-repped associated stratios/asteros trying to eat your ship or try to target the BS and very possibly waste time if you don't get a lock...whilst the associated stratios and asteros (asterii?) are trying to eat you.
the PvE aspect o it would work too run a sleeper site and try to hack faster then the kill you however the bonus would have to make it so you don't jam yourself for that to work |
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
116
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:00:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:No BS should be cov-ops in my opinion, they're just too damn big to hide. Giving it the target spectrum breaker with associated bonus would make for some interesting tactical choices on an attackers part though. Ignore the BS and go after the unhindered hi-repped associated stratios/asteros trying to eat your ship or try to target the BS and very possibly waste time if you don't get a lock...whilst the associated stratios and asteros (asterii?) are trying to eat you. the PvE aspect o it would work too run a sleeper site and try to hack faster then the kill you however the bonus would have to make it so you don't jam yourself for that to work
the sleepers would just wipe the floor with your drones before retargeting you. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
10
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Posted - 2014.08.23 22:40:00 -
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Mhari Dson wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:No BS should be cov-ops in my opinion, they're just too damn big to hide. Giving it the target spectrum breaker with associated bonus would make for some interesting tactical choices on an attackers part though. Ignore the BS and go after the unhindered hi-repped associated stratios/asteros trying to eat your ship or try to target the BS and very possibly waste time if you don't get a lock...whilst the associated stratios and asteros (asterii?) are trying to eat you. the PvE aspect o it would work too run a sleeper site and try to hack faster then the kill you however the bonus would have to make it so you don't jam yourself for that to work the sleepers would just wipe the floor with your drones before retargeting you.
i didn't know i had drones out and the nestor can hack a can in a c3 with 75% of its armor left as it currently is |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
288
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Posted - 2014.08.24 05:16:00 -
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James Baboli wrote: And every domi is now both a spider domi and a blaster domi until one or the other is needed on every ship, and everyone has fully committed.
You forgot about the neut domi... Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
DaJokr
Hard Knocks Inc.
18
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Posted - 2014.08.24 06:29:00 -
[435] - Quote
I don't suppose whoever implemented these changes logged on and flew it for more than 30 seconds?
The ship is not usable after the patch. These mass and velocity changes do not address any real issues that were brought up with this ship. 100mn afterburners take twice as long to get up to speed on top of an overall velocity nerf (About 7% slower overall). You can't keep up with smaller logi ships, you can't escape, you can't sig tank a dread, you can't orbit a wormhole.
Want to fix this ship for wormholes since that's what you appeared to be aiming for? Revert mass/velocity changes, -1 High slot, +1 Low slot, +10-20 scan res, give cap the same range as armor. Now you're risking as much as taking a bhaalgorn on field while presenting an equal threat to one.
Seriously has anyone even hacked a can with a Nestor yet? Even 1 can? You guys probably keep logs of that. It's not a cloaky ship, you've made it pretty clear you don't want covops battleships, either make the current bonuses good enough that someone would risk a Nestor to take advantage of them or change them to something else, it's not a covops so why should it follow the same role bonuses as the frigate/cruiser which are?
It would certainly be nice if you would address this 100mn issue before the patch or push it to the next one. It would show people that you're not making rushed, untested, arbitrary changes and breaking ships with 6 days until a patch because content.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC_NG4QnotE&feature=youtu.be |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11158
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Posted - 2014.08.24 13:37:00 -
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Whoops, I thought I had posted here yesterday but it looks like the forum ate my post and only registered that I had updated the OP.
In general we think that a battleship that is more agile than average with the prop mod off and less agile than average with the prop mod on is a perfectly fine point of distinction, but the version of the Nestor on SISI was indeed taking that a little too far.
So we're pulling back the inertia increase (to 0.35) and adding 5m/s back to the base speed. This version should be on the next build of SISI, and will likely reach TQ. Of course we will be continuing to observe and adjust as always.
Thanks for the continued feedback everyone. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Conjaq
Mid-Grade Mercenaries Courageous Cowards
13
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Posted - 2014.08.24 13:53:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Whoops, I thought I had posted here yesterday but it looks like the forum ate my post and only registered that I had updated the OP.
In general we think that a battleship that is more agile than average with the prop mod off and less agile than average with the prop mod on is a perfectly fine point of distinction, but the version of the Nestor on SISI was indeed taking that a little too far.
So we're pulling back the inertia increase (to 0.35) and adding 5m/s back to the base speed. This version should be on the next build of SISI, and will likely reach TQ. Of course we will be continuing to observe and adjust as always.
Thanks for the continued feedback everyone.
I'll be honest and say, i'm not sure how much of a change that inertia increase will do. but if it's even remotely close to the video, posted it's still going to be a very very slow ship.
Why not "just" reimagine it? - People obviously don't like it. There has been so many examples of why.
The concept of a "semi" logi Battleship, is so cool - but it just doesn't deliver. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
778
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Posted - 2014.08.24 14:42:00 -
[438] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: In general we think that a battleship that is more agile than average with the prop mod off and less agile than average with the prop mod on is a perfectly fine point of distinction
just why, this ship is a joke. give up. |
Wrent Simulus
Galactic State
14
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Posted - 2014.08.25 15:20:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Whoops, I thought I had posted here yesterday but it looks like the forum ate my post and only registered that I had updated the OP.
In general we think that a battleship that is more agile than average with the prop mod off and less agile than average with the prop mod on is a perfectly fine point of distinction, but the version of the Nestor on SISI was indeed taking that a little too far.
So we're pulling back the inertia increase (to 0.35) and adding 5m/s back to the base speed. This version should be on the next build of SISI, and will likely reach TQ. Of course we will be continuing to observe and adjust as always.
Thanks for the continued feedback everyone.
Is there any chance that we can get the "developer's vision" on what you guys want this vessel to be? It seems like there's a fundamental disconnect as to what this ship is intended to be. The player base has offered a variety of suggestions (at least taking the microcosm of this thread) yet the developers went an entirely different direction. While I understand that the players will always find unique or unexpected ways to use a ship, the direction that the ship is currently going seems to be not be in the direction of making it either useful or desired.
This may help us hone the direction of our suggestions and provide clearer feedback to you.
-Regards |
Vivianne Athonille
Athonille Logistics and Provisions
22
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Posted - 2014.08.25 15:27:00 -
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If you are really trying to make this a Jack Of All Trades support ship, you may need to consider allowing an unbonused Warfare Link and Command Processors. |
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Steph Livingston
Neko's Blanket
44
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Posted - 2014.08.25 15:37:00 -
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Wrent Simulus wrote: Is there any chance that we can get the "developer's vision" on what you guys want this vessel to be? It seems like there's a fundamental disconnect as to what this ship is intended to be. The player base has offered a variety of suggestions (at least taking the microcosm of this thread) yet the developers went an entirely different direction. While I understand that the players will always find unique or unexpected ways to use a ship, the direction that the ship is currently going seems to be not be in the direction of making it either useful or desired.
This may help us hone the direction of our suggestions and provide clearer feedback to you.
-Regards
I think Wrent hit the nail on the head here.
The majority of us would like to give relevant feedback on the Nestor, and your changes, but are still unsure where you're going with it. With the current changes it's obvious that you want the Nestor to be a wormhole ship, but it's still unclear what role it's meant to fill otherwise.
Making it easier to move the Nestor is great, but people still aren't going to buy/support it unless you give us a solid reason to put it there.
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Wrent Simulus
Galactic State
14
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Posted - 2014.08.25 16:02:00 -
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Vivianne Athonille wrote:If you are really trying to make this a Jack Of All Trades support ship, you may need to consider allowing an unbonused Warfare Link and Command Processors.
I'd agree with this, drop the laser bonuses, allow it to fit Command processors and alter the rep bonuses to be both shield and armor, and boost the repair range bonus to 350-500% range.
It still won't step on dedicated logi's toes (way too expensive to be used on a large scale, much shorter range on reps, cap issues, etc) but it will clear up what its intent is, which in this iteration would be a mid-level support ship capable of bringing value to multiple venues (wormhole day-tripping, mission groups, lowsec roaming, scout/vg incursions, etc) without being overwhelmingly good.
*edit*
This of course hinges on this fitting in with the developers vision of the vessel.
*edit 2*
it's -> its |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
712
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Posted - 2014.08.25 16:33:00 -
[443] - Quote
The Nestor is in a bad time for Battleships in EVE, making it hard to know if the Nestor is the problem or if it's just the fact that it's a battleship and nobody wants to use it for that reason and that reason alone. |
Ixianna Svartalfar
Fukushima Industries Spartan Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:54:00 -
[444] - Quote
The Astero is a great addition to the newer players' arsenals for exploration with near Cov-ops competency. With the added kicker of it can tank and fight, it has become a common stepping stone between Cov-ops and Recons for PVP use. As a scout it's agile as a frigate, yet still vicious enough to fight cruisers.
The Stratios was an entirely new idea for a cruiser from a "pirate" faction, and it was wildly successful. It is great stepping stone between Recons and T3s without really eclipsing either one enough to displace them. Stratios are exploding in all areas of space, only to be replaced to explode anew. That is the hallmark of a good ship.
The significant mass changes may make the Nestor a new(er) player Guardian/Oneiros replacement ship, and with a 2.5x force multiplier for that role. Just because it costs a lot doesn't mean folks won't fly it anyhow. Just because it's roles are a little odd doesn't mean we wont find a use for it.
Someone already posted an idea of daytripping in C5s to loot the goods from a few WH relic sites. That's the kind of innovative use I can get behind, and it doesn't have the potential for skill loss like a T3 would. Lets face it, a brick tanked T3 for exploration handles like a pig, so why not get a cow go with it, and just have fun?
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One minor change I would like to see is an agility and speed increase over the previous stated values. It's true, using the MWD all day has no real sig bloom issues against the ship because it's already huge, but the cap needs for that are countered by the cap need for it's remote repairer systems. How about tuning it more for AB use instead? As for alignment times, isn't that what webbers are for? |
Arthur Aihaken
Halas Hooligans
3770
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:21:00 -
[445] - Quote
Battleships need work, period. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
chris Olgidar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2014.08.26 08:26:00 -
[446] - Quote
They really do |
DaJokr
Hard Knocks Inc.
21
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:01:00 -
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I feel like whoever implemented these changes has never been in a C5/C6 armor fight before.
Nestor is useless for wormhole fights with these changes, if you can't accelerate or turn in any reasonable amount of time, you're dead. Wormhole armor brawls are close range, and tend to require orbiting closely or burning through a bubble to engage.
Faction battleship align times with one plate, skirmish links and a Gist X-Type 100mn Afterburner
Vindicator: 10.4s - 565 m/s Machariel: 11.3s - 725 m/s Barghest: 11.8s - 654 m/s Nightmare: 14.8s - 1041 m/s Bhaalgorn: 14.9s - 449 m/s Rattlesnake: 15.5s - 414 m/s
Nestor pre-patch: 15.6s - 520 m/s Nestor post-patch: 22.1s - 523 m/s (stopwatched, pyfa/eft not updated)
Bhaalgorns are fat, and already at a severe risk for dread blapping if they can't get into an orbit quickly even with their sig being lower than Nestors post-patch (400 vs 420). Nestors are now guaranteed death with one dread and a loki on field. You recover speed much slower after webs get jammed off -> you die.
This was my Nestor vs dreads last patch, where I got into orbit quickly and still nearly died during the fight, take a guess as to how that would go this patch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GWfJkn3Zz8
http://puu.sh/b8Jrc/d601f4410c.jpg RIP sweet prince, you're going back to Jita. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
781
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:33:00 -
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DaJokr wrote:I feel like whoever implemented these changes has never been in a C5/C6 armor fight before. Nestor is useless for wormhole fights with these changes, if you can't accelerate or turn in any reasonable amount of time, you're dead. Wormhole armor brawls are close range, and tend to require orbiting closely or burning through a bubble to engage. Faction battleship align times with one plate, skirmish links and a Gist X-Type 100mn Afterburner Vindicator: 10.4s - 565 m/s Machariel: 11.3s - 725 m/s Barghest: 11.8s - 654 m/s Nightmare: 14.8s - 1041 m/s Bhaalgorn: 14.9s - 449 m/s Rattlesnake: 15.5s - 414 m/s Nestor pre-patch: 15.6s - 520 m/s Nestor post-patch: 22.1s - 523 m/s (stopwatched, pyfa/eft not updated) Bhaalgorns are fat, and already at a severe risk for dread blapping if they can't get into an orbit quickly even with their sig being lower than Nestors post-patch (400 vs 420). Nestors are now guaranteed death with one dread and a loki on field. You recover speed much slower after webs get jammed off -> you die. This was my Nestor vs dreads last patch, where I got into orbit quickly and still nearly died during the fight, take a guess as to how that would go this patch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GWfJkn3Zz8http://puu.sh/b8Jrc/d601f4410c.jpg RIP sweet prince, you're going back to Jita.
your nestor was useless anyway, and you forgot to complain about dreadnoughts being broken. |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
65
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Posted - 2014.08.26 17:09:00 -
[449] - Quote
Damn not only did they not give it a speed increase....they slowed it down even more....
What a piece of crap..... You Miners think you have it so damn tough.-á When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.-á You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.-á-á - Bitter Vet
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Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
23
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Posted - 2014.08.26 17:55:00 -
[450] - Quote
I just realised I can fit the Zephyr into the maintenance bay! Gets better and better! |
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