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Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2014.09.03 21:38:00 -
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Saissore-Haani,
I was born and raised on a border colony, so perhaps my thought processess are a touch more...liberal(?) than say Kim-Haani's are. That being said to be Caldari is to have honor, personal or otherwise. And senseless boasting and chest-thumping is anything but honorable. I know I have been abscent from this meeting ground for a long time, and perhaps I was wrong to do that because now I see the actions of my fellow "Caldari" people are nothing but shameful.
We had a saying on my homeworld "Pride is how you view yourself, but honor is how you are viewed by others." I would ask all of these so called "Statesmen" and "Stateswomen" how their actions are making the State be viewed. I would ask them to analyze themselves and their actions and realize how they hurt the State with their claims.
Those without honor are not Caldari. Regardless of where they were born or raised.
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Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2014.09.03 21:41:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:No no no. Not Vodka. Drinking is not professional.
You are quite right, drinking vodka is horribly unprofessional. A true Caldari knows that a good Whiskey is the only beverage one should let affect judgement and depth perception. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4006
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Posted - 2014.09.04 14:04:00 -
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Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:We had a saying on my homeworld "Pride is how you view yourself, but honor is how you are viewed by others." I would ask all of these so called "Statesmen" and "Stateswomen" how their actions are making the State be viewed. I would ask them to analyze themselves and their actions and realize how they hurt the State with their claims.
Viewed by whom?
While the opinions of others - the respect and admiration of foreign navies, the healthy regard that foreign traders have for our honesty and skill, the openness that foreign corporations will have toward Caldari investors, and so on - are all important, I believe that it is important to value them for their practical benefits rather than considering them to be inherently important to our own sense of identity.
The State was, after all, founded in opposition to the Federation. Our creation was an attempt to remain true to Caldari ideals and Caldari traditions. If we become mutable and malleable to the point of accomodating everybody, then we risk losing our own sense of self.
I take pride in the fact that I have received praise from notable figures and prominent capsuleers hailing from all four of the empires, up to and including an Admiral of the Federation Navy who expressed admiration for my skills as a scout (quote: "that was some of the ballsiest flying I've ever seen."). I am, for my part, pleased to have represented the State in a positive light on the Empyrean stage. I have been called "The Reasonable Caldari", though I should stress that I reject that label - it suggests that there are no others, which I simply do not believe to be the case. Nor in fact do I feel like I'm a particularly reasonable man - I'm well aware that I'm a sarcastic curmudgeon.
But I have that reputation anyway, and I didn't earn it by adjusting my behaviour to match foreign expectations. I earned it by upholding what I believe are the Caldari ideals instilled in me by my megacorporate upbringing and career.
As for the opinions of others loyal to the State, that list includes people who, I'm quite certain, would be executed for treason if they weren't Empyreans.
To say that honour is defined by what others think of you is not clear enough: I think that honour is defined by who thinks what of you, and what you and others think of them in turn.
Honour, in other words, isn't a medal that you wear - it's a relationship. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2014.09.04 15:13:00 -
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I completely agree with you Stitcher-Haan. I must apologize for not explaining more. Local euphamisms don't always translate like they should. It burdens my heart that the most vocal among our "Caldari" capsuleer brethern do not understand the concept of honor. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
811
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:43:00 -
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Probably because most Caldari don't have their heads so high up their own asses that they'd call themselves representatives of the State. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4012
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Posted - 2014.09.05 02:13:00 -
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We all represent the State, Desiderya. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
812
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:08:00 -
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Oh yes.
You might just be unclogging the waste disposal pipes around here, comrade, but you too are representing the State!
Seriously though, careful with that heiian, it might take someone's eyes out if you swing it around with such recklessness. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
750
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:37:00 -
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I think you're mistaking official representatives and being representative of the State, Des. Verin here seems to mean a bit of a mix between the two. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
812
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:27:00 -
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I'm aware of the difference.
It's still pretty daft and self-important when it's discussed in this elite setting, complete with romanticized waxing about the concept of honour. Only few can afford this luxury - my opinion, of course. So we're stuck with using a lot of words to tell each other how amazing we are. All in all a very nice self-fulfilling prophecy that Saissoire has started here.
Well done. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
750
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:33:00 -
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Damn straight I'm amazing and there should be far more threads dedicated to such subjects.
More seriously, I do consider myself to be representative of the State and many of our ideals, strengths and weaknesses. I see many of them in Verin as well, as I do in yourself. Not particularly surprising given our roots but I don't get your apparent derision of discussing the concept of honor. It's a matter of some importance and the thread itself is largely dedicated to the discussion of Caldari viewpoints in New Eden.
I don't see it as particularly romanticized either, merely a bit naive at times. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
812
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:40:00 -
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Romanticized, naive, it's the same, really. Call it your conscience and don't go around advertising it at every opportunity and you'd be much, much closer to what this whole notion should be. This honour as discussed here is a luxury good that only very few can afford to have, twisted and malformed by parading it around. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4012
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Posted - 2014.09.06 03:22:00 -
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Fair point I suppose. But I don't see the harm in discussing it if that's what happens to be the subject at hand.
We have the luxury of mulling this kind of thing over with words. Is that a bad thing? Somebody should be, why not us?
Desiderya wrote:You might just be unclogging the waste disposal pipes around here, comrade, but you too are representing the State!
I suppose I meant "We" as in capsuleers, in our capacity as capsuleers. Though you're right, that one was kind of a knee-jerk repetition of some of the old corporate water-cooler posters rather than a well-thought-out stance.
An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
817
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Posted - 2014.09.06 14:49:00 -
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There's not much to gain either. As far as the harm goes just look at the original post of this thread. How very loud and gallentean all this repeated posing indeed is. I prefer discussions on these topics in a setting that allows for a more deeper and intimate conversation. Discussing politics here is bad enough.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Anslo
Scope Works
9673
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:19:00 -
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I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari.
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Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
67588
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Posted - 2014.09.06 19:44:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari.
I thought you already knew that the Intergalactic Summit is where armed ships are replaced with sharp words. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
753
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Posted - 2014.09.06 19:59:00 -
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Since I don't have an armed ship, I guess I am just replacing a big wallet with silly words? Sharp words sound so uncomfortable. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:37:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari.
I remember when you met a transvestite in the summit one day...where did I put those chat logs... |
Anslo
Scope Works
9684
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:41:00 -
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Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari. I remember when you met a transvestite in the summit one day...where did I put those chat logs... Oh god that thing was not of this cluster. Monster it was.
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Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
67596
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:48:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari. I remember when you met a transvestite in the summit one day...where did I put those chat logs... Oh god that thing was not of this cluster. Monster it was.
That sounds like a fun story. Do share. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Anslo
Scope Works
9688
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Posted - 2014.09.07 01:34:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Anslo wrote:Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari. I remember when you met a transvestite in the summit one day...where did I put those chat logs... Oh god that thing was not of this cluster. Monster it was. That sounds like a fun story. Do share. **** off Miz...
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Lucien Rouen
2730
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Posted - 2014.09.08 14:09:00 -
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How exactly is it odd that that capsuleer culture would change over time? The State is not the same State it was a few years ago just as the Federation is not the same Federation it was a few years ago. The same goes for the other empires. Even the capsuleer 'empires' have become weaker and less intimidating over the last few years. It hardly seems odd to me that things would change, no matter how much certain people may protest. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
939
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Posted - 2014.09.08 15:54:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Mizhir wrote:Anslo wrote:Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari. I remember when you met a transvestite in the summit one day...where did I put those chat logs... Oh god that thing was not of this cluster. Monster it was. That sounds like a fun story. Do share. **** off Miz... Now wait a minute, this does sound like a good story. I want to hear it too. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1244
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Posted - 2014.09.09 00:08:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Skye Nico wrote:Diana Kim wrote: While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us.
This is a load of ****. It is legally impossible to be a State citizen if you are not born there. It does not matter if you 'want to be Caldari' or not. You should probably have quoted a paragraph where she wasn't specifically vomiting out some more calumnied bilgewater about me, Pilot Nico. I was very much born in the State. Stop being stupid like that already, Stitcher. I didnt claim anything about your birth, and have absolutely zero interest in it. Was you born in some outlaw outcast family, or actually in a good family of loyal to the State citizens, whose names were stained because of your treason as well, it doesn't matter now. Since it is in the past. What does matter, is what we have at hand. And at hand, you are being traitor and exile, hiding in some Maker-forsaken wormhole instead of serving duty to the State as all loyal citizens. Those, who are NOT afraid to fight for the State, will live in comfortable conditions. And everything they need will be provided by the State. While cowards like you will vegetate in some chilling empty wormhole with sleeper drones instead of peoples.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1244
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Posted - 2014.09.09 00:14:00 -
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Lucien Rouen wrote:How exactly is it odd that that capsuleer culture would change over time? The State is not the same State it was a few years ago just as the Federation is not the same Federation it was a few years ago. The same goes for the other empires. Even the capsuleer 'empires' have become weaker and less intimidating over the last few years. It hardly seems odd to me that things would change, no matter how much certain people may protest. We just need the State megacorporate law to be enforced on all capsuleers in the State, our dependent and disputed territories. Then we all will see how they will start singing differently. And maybe that will remove some fountains of lies and gallentean propaganda. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
940
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Posted - 2014.09.09 02:07:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: Those, who are NOT afraid to fight for the State, will live in comfortable conditions. And everything they need will be provided by the State. While cowards like you will vegetate in some chilling empty wormhole with sleeper drones instead of peoples.
It's ok Stitch, I still think you're cool, I'll hang out with you.
Also, I hear WH space can be quite comfy..... Much better then some drafty barracks with tonnes of unnecessary, oppressive regulations.... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
940
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Posted - 2014.09.09 02:22:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: We just need the State megacorporate law to be enforced on all capsuleers in the State, our dependent and disputed territories. Then we all will see how they will start singing differently. And maybe that will remove some fountains of lies and gallentean propaganda.
It the State had that ability there wouldn't be any disputed territory, now would there? Also, nobody but CONCORD can enforce anything significant on capsuleers. Loyalty to an Empire is a choice for us. I don't have to play by their rules if I don't want to. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1249
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Posted - 2014.09.13 23:27:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote: We just need the State megacorporate law to be enforced on all capsuleers in the State, our dependent and disputed territories. Then we all will see how they will start singing differently. And maybe that will remove some fountains of lies and gallentean propaganda.
If the State had that ability there wouldn't be any disputed territory, now would there? Also, nobody but CONCORD can enforce anything significant on capsuleers. Loyalty to an Empire is a choice for us. I don't have to play by their rules if I don't want to. And I'd prefer it to be changed. The life would be significantly better in the cluster, if only Caldari Navy pilots would be allowed to use capsules. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
952
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Posted - 2014.09.14 23:40:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote: We just need the State megacorporate law to be enforced on all capsuleers in the State, our dependent and disputed territories. Then we all will see how they will start singing differently. And maybe that will remove some fountains of lies and gallentean propaganda.
If the State had that ability there wouldn't be any disputed territory, now would there? Also, nobody but CONCORD can enforce anything significant on capsuleers. Loyalty to an Empire is a choice for us. I don't have to play by their rules if I don't want to. And I'd prefer it to be changed. The life would be significantly better in the cluster, if only Caldari Navy pilots would be allowed to use capsules. Keep dreaming, sweet cheeks. You'll have 3 factions baring down on you if the Caldari even proposed that, and CONCORD isn't stupid enough to shaft 3 of their 4 signatories like that because you want something. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1251
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Posted - 2014.09.15 02:27:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote: We just need the State megacorporate law to be enforced on all capsuleers in the State, our dependent and disputed territories. Then we all will see how they will start singing differently. And maybe that will remove some fountains of lies and gallentean propaganda.
If the State had that ability there wouldn't be any disputed territory, now would there? Also, nobody but CONCORD can enforce anything significant on capsuleers. Loyalty to an Empire is a choice for us. I don't have to play by their rules if I don't want to. And I'd prefer it to be changed. The life would be significantly better in the cluster, if only Caldari Navy pilots would be allowed to use capsules. Keep dreaming, sweet cheeks. You'll have 3 factions baring down on you if the Caldari even proposed that, and CONCORD isn't stupid enough to shaft 3 of their 4 signatories like that because you want something. Okay, and Imperial Navy. They are religious and thus will be very much decent. Others, like Federation and Republic, well, they can put their heads into my afterburner and breathe in exhaust! |
Deitra Vess
Dead Men Rising Circle-Of-Two
42
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Posted - 2014.09.15 02:39:00 -
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wouldn't we just get burned to a crisp? |
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