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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2389
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:15:00 -
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1upnate wrote:like pvp is fun yeah... I don't personally partake in ganking miners, but it seems to me that the first four words in your post answered your own question. Also, space explosions are pretty. |
Josef Djugashvilis
2610
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:43:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:] It's like hunting End of thread right here, Dirk wins lol. I don'thave much experience with hunting in real life, I have gone duck hunting twice and a work buddy took me bow hunting once (didn't get anything that time) so that's 3 times in my 40 years. What's incredible is that the same attitude you get from the anti ganking folks in gam is the same you get in real life from the vegan-peta-meat is murder' tree hugger types. I evenonce heard a lady say that hunters were cowards "because bambi can't shoot back". Irecently realized that if she had played EVE she would have been saying "go to low sec if you want to pvp" LOL.
So, the real life Elmer Fudd has outed himself. This is not a signature. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
167
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Posted - 2014.10.21 00:20:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Mag's wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:I don't get the appeal of it. The miners aren't bothering anyone....why blow them up? At the end of the day it's just a stupid and immature way to get some giggles.....time to move on folks. Just as playing any game by it's rules, is stupid and immature? You may be on to something. Hmmm, interesting stuff. Huh? The rules? I mean you are allowed to sit in station spinning your ship for hours on end....does that make that a smart thing to do? Ditto for running L1 missions all day. That you have a right to do something does not make it the right thing to do. Well I guess you should tell people that spending hours spinning ships is pointless, if you feel strongly about it. But I see your point. I should avoid buying certain plots when playing Monopoly, because someone may land on them later and get upset. I should avoid taking pieces in Chess, because of much the same. Maybe I should slow the rate of my Hungry Hippo eating, because I may take more balls than you. Yes, playing a game by it's rules is over rated and even though I could, I shouldn't. It's a very interesting thought process and I am sure games night with you, would be a rather thrilling experience. Thanks for the heads up.
Another brilliant riposte....All of your examples involve doing things to achieve the objective in the game....to win. The conduct here is like moving a knight back and forth aimlessly, while your opponent is checkmating you. Is it legal? Sure. Is it effective? No way. You aren't making isk, you aren't capturing territory, you aren't achieving anything. All you are doing is blowing up helpless miner scrubs....I mean come on, it's pathetic. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8636
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Posted - 2014.10.21 00:29:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Another brilliant riposte....All of your examples involve doing things to achieve the objective in the game....to win. The conduct here is like moving a knight back and forth aimlessly, while your opponent is checkmating you. Is it legal? Sure. Is it effective? No way. You aren't making isk, you aren't capturing territory, you aren't achieving anything. All you are doing is blowing up helpless miner scrubs....I mean come on, it's pathetic.
This is an example of what i said about you in the past. you are incapable of understandings that other people are different from you. This is common in video games in general and specifically in EVE. Many people question why others do things like they do, like "why do you mine, that's boring" or :"why do you run missions, they make less isk than station trading. It's evidence of an intensly selfish worldview.
At the end of the day, why people choose to play a video game within it's rules is none of your business. I understand this and dsiplay this understanding every night in the game by not giving a damn about why people want to kill me, I simply protect myself against the occurence and move forward with my fun time. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
167
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Posted - 2014.10.21 00:34:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Another brilliant riposte....All of your examples involve doing things to achieve the objective in the game....to win. The conduct here is like moving a knight back and forth aimlessly, while your opponent is checkmating you. Is it legal? Sure. Is it effective? No way. You aren't making isk, you aren't capturing territory, you aren't achieving anything. All you are doing is blowing up helpless miner scrubs....I mean come on, it's pathetic.
This is an example of what i said about you in the past. you are incapable of understandings that other people are different from you. This is common in video games in general and specifically in EVE. Many people question why others do things like they do, like "why do you mine, that's boring" or :"why do you run missions, they make less isk than station trading. It's evidence of an intensly selfish worldview. At the end of the day, why people choose to play a video game within it's rules is none of your business. I understand this and dsiplay this understanding every night in the game by not giving a damn about why people want to kill me, I simply protect myself against the occurence and move forward with my fun time.
Congratulations....welcome to the club. Had you bothered reading, you would have noticed that my response was to point out that just because something is allowed by the rules, doesn't make it useful or effective. See ship spinning. See also not logging in. There is no valuable in game objective achieved by ganking pathetic and helpless highsec miners. It's just good for a few giggles, and some third rate tears. |
Shailagh Rose
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.21 05:48:00 -
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The countless threads such as this are appeal enough. |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
189
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Posted - 2014.10.21 10:53:00 -
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Most of the ganking going on in ice belts is done to force out the competition. Its a valid tactic Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8637
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:39:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Another brilliant riposte....All of your examples involve doing things to achieve the objective in the game....to win. The conduct here is like moving a knight back and forth aimlessly, while your opponent is checkmating you. Is it legal? Sure. Is it effective? No way. You aren't making isk, you aren't capturing territory, you aren't achieving anything. All you are doing is blowing up helpless miner scrubs....I mean come on, it's pathetic.
This is an example of what i said about you in the past. you are incapable of understandings that other people are different from you. This is common in video games in general and specifically in EVE. Many people question why others do things like they do, like "why do you mine, that's boring" or :"why do you run missions, they make less isk than station trading. It's evidence of an intensly selfish worldview. At the end of the day, why people choose to play a video game within it's rules is none of your business. I understand this and dsiplay this understanding every night in the game by not giving a damn about why people want to kill me, I simply protect myself against the occurence and move forward with my fun time. Congratulations....welcome to the club. Had you bothered reading, you would have noticed that my response was to point out that just because something is allowed by the rules, doesn't make it useful or effective. See ship spinning. See also not logging in. There is no valuable in game objective achieved by ganking pathetic and helpless highsec miners. It's just good for a few giggles, and some third rate tears.
You missed a word. Not valuable TO YOU. That's what you are never able to comprehend. Even if you don't find 'value' in something, some one else may.
You don't know why other people do the things they do, or why they enjoy them. For instance, you don't know for a fact that some people gank (or pay for ganking) as a tool to stifle competition. Or to even a personal grudge. Or out of a sense of striking a blow against the lazy and entitled etc etc.
Allof those things have value to other people. You don't get to decide what is universally valuable to everyone, you get to decide that for yourself, just like me.
I personally don't see the value in ganking versus the other things I do in game (exploring, mission running and occasionally incursions). Know what that means? It means i don't gank and I protect myself from being ganked, and that's ALL it means. My opinion applies to me and me alone, others may do as they wish for whatever reason they wish because freedom (within the EULA) is at the heart of EVE, not matter what people with your...authoritarian tendencies like to think.
Don't like 'noobs' being ganked? Go out there and protect them. Teach them how to fly safe a minimize the chances of being ganked. Encourage them to take pride in being able to evade ganking (while teaching them that even if you do the best you can, you can still explode, because that's the kind of game EVE is).
Of course, you won't do any of that because that involves more effort than running to the forums advocating CCP change a core aspect of the game (which ganking represents) "for the sake of the children noobs".
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Krysti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:39:00 -
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Well I got ganked yesterday and lost 2B in implants etc... I was afk for ten minutes.
It's very easy to say carebear cry baby, the game is hard, and itGÇÖs the economy...
How about saying letGÇÖs make a meaningful game?
The point for me is that these low life morons lose nothing, they use cheap ships with disposable alts, they have no challenge and yet, can cost someone billions and more important to me cost me time to set up again in the game.
All I can do in return is make the killright public.
I can tell you 100 percent it is far safer to play the game generally now in null, something that I ironically found very boring.
So try hi-sec again, FW is great, log into an old alt do some mining and bang.
So you now have a game full of idiots killing soft targets in hi-sec and cosy null bears making money in null.
Somewhere there is a design flaw, yeah and lock that other thread the guy was "ranting" about this.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20943
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:47:00 -
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Krysti wrote: I was afk for ten minutes. Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game?
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8651
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:50:48 -
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Krysti wrote:Well I got ganked yesterday and lost 2B in implants etc... I was afk for ten minutes.
It's very easy to say carebear cry baby, the game is hard, and itGÇÖs the economy...
How about saying letGÇÖs make a meaningful game?
The point for me is that these low life morons lose nothing, they use cheap ships with disposable alts, they have no challenge and yet, can cost someone billions and more important to me cost me time to set up again in the game.
All I can do in return is make the killright public.
I can tell you 100 percent it is far safer to play the game generally now in null, something that I ironically found very boring.
So try hi-sec again, FW is great, log into an old alt do some mining and bang.
So you now have a game full of idiots killing soft targets in hi-sec and cosy null bears making money in null.
Somewhere there is a design flaw, yeah and lock that other thread the guy was "ranting" about this.
The flaw here is in your personality not in the game. You went afk IN SPACE with that kind of expensive implanted clone instead of docking, or using a mobile depot to fit a cloak and sit in a safe spot, or if you "live" there, dropping a small pos on a useless moon for safety.
And you did this in EVE ONLINE? WTF were you thinking (rhetorical question, we know you weren't thinking). What you did was like smearing steaks all over your body then going to sleep in a Lion's Den at the zoo then being surprised that the Lion's turn you into a midnight snack (and later, poo)
And lol at the null sec is safer. That old lie just won't die it seems.
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Krysti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:53:47 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Krysti wrote: I was afk for ten minutes. Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game?
I do not afk in this game, but that's not really the issue. I would have saved my pod yes, but the game is a total joke now.
Look I'm not mining again ever so I will just count it is a blessing, but plenty of people enjoy mining and it's just sad that there is no consequence to ganking very soft targets.
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Krysti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:57:04 -
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Quote:
The flaw here is in your personality not in the game. You went afk IN SPACE with that kind of expensive implanted clone instead of docking, or using a mobile depot to fit a cloak and sit in a safe spot, or if you "live" there, dropping a small pos on a useless moon for safety.
And you did this in EVE ONLINE? WTF were you thinking (rhetorical question, we know you weren't thinking). What you did was like smearing steaks all over your body then going to sleep in a Lion's Den at the zoo then being surprised that the Lion's turn you into a midnight snack (and later, poo)
And lol at the null sec is safer. That old lie just won't die it seems.
Right, so mining in hi-sec is the lions den in the zoo?
I don't think you have a clue about this game. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10158
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:16:01 -
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Idk about anyone else, but if I went afk in a Crucible(PvP) match in Destiny, I would expect to come back to a corpse.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20961
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:18:59 -
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Krysti wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Krysti wrote: I was afk for ten minutes. Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game? I do not afk in this game, but that's not really the issue. I would have saved my pod yes, but the game is a total joke now. Really?
Krysti wrote:Well I got ganked yesterday and lost 2B in implants etc... I was afk for ten minutes. So which one of the above statements is true? Or are you just telling porkies all round?
Quote:Look I'm not mining again ever so I will just count it is a blessing, but plenty of people enjoy mining and it's just sad that there is no consequence to ganking very soft targets. The whole principle of Eve is that it's up to you to provide consequence, not CCP.
Please insert another coin to continue.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5969
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:35:09 -
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Krysti wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Krysti wrote: I was afk for ten minutes. Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game? I do not afk in this game what?
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11131
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:36:55 -
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Whenever I read "enjoy mining" I have to wonder what exactly is enjoyable about it.
The only thought I can come up with, is "doing something else while mining", which means that mining isn't enjoyable at all.
WOOOHOOOO I'M SOOO STARING AT THAT ROCK BABY! LOOK AT MA DRONES! MA DRONES BABY! THEY MOVE BACK AND FORTH! BACK AND FORTH!!
> I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin.
Random ASCII Image Thread in OOPE
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Chemma Chi
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
33
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:39:25 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Whenever I read "enjoy mining" I have to wonder what exactly is enjoyable about it.
The only thought I can come up with, is "doing something else while mining", which means that mining isn't enjoyable at all.
WOOOHOOOO I'M SOOO STARING AT THAT ROCK BABY! LOOK AT MA DRONES! MA DRONES BABY! THEY MOVE BACK AND FORTH! BACK AND FORTH!!
Sounds like awesome discoparty time! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11131
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:40:25 -
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BACK AND FORTH!! YEAH BABY!! FILL MY HOLE*!! FILL IT BABY!! BRING THAT PREIOUS ORE RIGHT TO ME!! I'M SO HORNY FOR IT BABY!! BRING IT TO ME!!!! OH YES!!! YES!!! FILL ME!! FILL ME SO HARD!!
(intentional typo)
> I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin.
Random ASCII Image Thread in OOPE
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8651
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:41:47 -
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Krysti wrote:Quote:
The flaw here is in your personality not in the game. You went afk IN SPACE with that kind of expensive implanted clone instead of docking, or using a mobile depot to fit a cloak and sit in a safe spot, or if you "live" there, dropping a small pos on a useless moon for safety.
And you did this in EVE ONLINE? WTF were you thinking (rhetorical question, we know you weren't thinking). What you did was like smearing steaks all over your body then going to sleep in a Lion's Den at the zoo then being surprised that the Lion's turn you into a midnight snack (and later, poo)
And lol at the null sec is safer. That old lie just won't die it seems.
Right, so mining in hi-sec is the lions den in the zoo? I don't think you have a clue about this game.
I'm not the one who lost 2 bil worth of implants, now am I? I've played for 7+ years (carebearin my ass off) and have not been successfully ganked.
Some knowledge of the game you displayed their mate.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20961
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:41:56 -
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Chemma Chi wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Whenever I read "enjoy mining" I have to wonder what exactly is enjoyable about it.
The only thought I can come up with, is "doing something else while mining", which means that mining isn't enjoyable at all.
WOOOHOOOO I'M SOOO STARING AT THAT ROCK BABY! LOOK AT MA DRONES! MA DRONES BABY! THEY MOVE BACK AND FORTH! BACK AND FORTH!! Sounds like awesome discoparty time! Relevant
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Foxstar Damaskeenus
Soul Takers
229
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:43:26 -
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Q: What's the appeal of ganking miners?
A: They make posts like this.
No changes to skill points EVER!!!
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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
416
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:54:34 -
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Because in life, as in Eve, some people are just dicks. Reasons quickly become meaningless.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
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Chemma Chi
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
33
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:07:18 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Chemma Chi wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Whenever I read "enjoy mining" I have to wonder what exactly is enjoyable about it.
The only thought I can come up with, is "doing something else while mining", which means that mining isn't enjoyable at all.
WOOOHOOOO I'M SOOO STARING AT THAT ROCK BABY! LOOK AT MA DRONES! MA DRONES BABY! THEY MOVE BACK AND FORTH! BACK AND FORTH!! Sounds like awesome discoparty time! Relevant
Sorry, just have to answer with this. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
95
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:15:17 -
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Krysti wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Krysti wrote: I was afk for ten minutes. Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game? I do not afk in this game, but that's not really the issue. I would have saved my pod yes, but the game is a total joke now. Look I'm not mining again ever so I will just count it is a blessing, but plenty of people enjoy mining and it's just sad that there is no consequence to ganking very soft targets.
I am confused, would you propose increased penalties on the ganking of soft targets in highsec or do you want more severe consequences for all ganking?
But really there are already significant consequences for the ganker. Eve is a PvP game. Why do you expect CCP to provide you with complete protection when there are already many tools available to you to avoid destruction at the hands of your opponents? These include but are not limited to: tanking your ship, having friends to guard you, not being AFK so you can flee, or mining in space that you and your friends have made secure like null.
If you do not want to take responsibility for the safety of your digital space assets, why are you playing a competitive PvP game like this one? And to bring it back to the title of this thread, what is the appeal of pressing F1 to activate your mining lasers in total, absolute safety? If there is anything at all satisfying about mining, I would think it would be that you managed to gather those rocks in the face of at least the theoretical risk of someone trying to stop you. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11131
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:16:26 -
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Chemma... are you flirting with others??
> I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin.
Random ASCII Image Thread in OOPE
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Anslo
Scope Works
18911
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:39:21 -
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IIshira wrote:Anslo wrote:They're bad at actual pvp. Let me guess they should go to nullsec and do some "real PVP" I love it when that's said in local... Someone needs to come up with a "Top 10 things people say to gankers" list LMAO
Ew nulsec
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Thanatos Marathon
Phoibe Enterprises
331
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:45:45 -
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Some people prefer the tears of the weak over the tears of the strong.
I made a mining alt not too long ago to try it out as I wanted to shift to more of a quiet life in EVE. I got ganked once while on a different screen, went and grabbed a max tanked procurer (I always keep a few around) and scooped his and my loot before he could get to it.
I then watchlisted the ganker and set him -10. A couple of days later sure enough he tried to gank me again. He was a bit smarter this time and brought a MTU. Unfortunately for him I was paying attention and he died before me. He hasn't bugged me since.
In my experience gankers are either looking to pad their killboard, interdict specific entities, make a profit, or harvest tears. If you don't let them constantly blow up your ships they will find someone else to kill. There are plenty of targets in highsec after all.
BLFOX is currently recruiting
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Krysti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:54:48 -
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Black Pedro wrote:
I am confused, would you propose increased penalties on the ganking of soft targets in highsec or do you want more severe consequences for all ganking?
But really there are already significant consequences for the ganker. Eve is a PvP game. Why do you expect CCP to provide you with complete protection when there are already many tools available to you to avoid destruction at the hands of your opponents? These include but are not limited to: tanking your ship, having friends to guard you, not being AFK so you can flee, or mining in space that you and your friends have made secure like null.
If you do not want to take responsibility for the safety of your digital space assets, why are you playing a competitive PvP game like this one? And to bring it back to the title of this thread, what is the appeal of pressing F1 to activate your mining lasers in total, absolute safety? If there is anything at all satisfying about mining, I would think it would be that you managed to gather those rocks in the face of at least the theoretical risk of someone trying to stop you.
What consequences are there for a month old alt doing this ganking?
Yes i can mine safely in null - great game design right there.
I'm now taking more risk in hi-sec, and yes i know what to do to protect myself but seriously? why should i have to for much less rewards?
Garbage game design, all the effort from me to mine safely for peanuts but no effort to kill me.
If this is going on, then how about insurance for pods? and equal rewards for hi-sec miners?
where will the madness end!
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10158
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Posted - 2014.10.21 15:02:20 -
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Krysti wrote: What consequences are there for a month old alt doing this ganking?
More than you might imagine. For instance, you cannot biomass a neg sec status alt without risking a permaban. So, once you make one, you're stuck with it.
Quote: Yes i can mine safely in null - great game design right there.
I'm now taking more risk in hi-sec, and yes i know what to do to protect myself but seriously? why should i have to for much less rewards?
You may have heard this somewhere before, but EVE is a PvP game. Yes, you should always be defending yourself.
And as for Null vs High, that's easy. Nullsec is only safer because of player actions, and highsec is only dangerous in any way because of player actions.
There is no disputing which one has more inherent safety.
Quote: Garbage game design, all the effort from me to mine safely for peanuts but no effort to kill me.
That's what you get when you choose to be a prey animal. Nevermind that when you start talking about all the "effort" that mining entails, you've gone off track pretty badly. Mining is almost zero effort, that's why people do it despite it being a fairly inferior income source.
Quote: If this is going on, then how about insurance for pods? and equal rewards for hi-sec miners?
Heck, insurance for ships needs to go away, and as for "rewards", you get a reward equivalent to your effort. And since your effort is just barely above zero, that's what your reward is and will always be.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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