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Tre Telos
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2014.12.10 08:11:19 -
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I really hate the new icons. The old icons were meaningful and visually attractive. The new icons are meaningful, but visually SUCK! No color, and no 3D effect. I suppose I can get used to them, but EVE surely uglified itself in this update.
The same for the color schemes. The color just distract from the menus where they appear. The UI is really ugly now. I will continue to use them, but they are not ascetically pleasing. This update was a step backwards for the UI. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
789
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Posted - 2014.12.10 08:15:01 -
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I kinda don't care either way with the icons. I feel like half the time I couldn't find what I was looking for anyways. now I mostly just use the hot keys for stuff.
menu colors, eh, again hardly notice them. plus if you play with the settings they kinda seem to look the same as they used to.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Trokiel
No Red Herrings Allowed
31
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Posted - 2014.12.10 08:17:39 -
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I agree, they suck hairy space rocks
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5446
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Posted - 2014.12.10 08:25:24 -
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I think they're too flat and simplified.
Now if they could make them faux-3D floating holographic glowing thingies, I'd be happy. They're just lacking dimension and awesome.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
13497
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Posted - 2014.12.10 08:29:21 -
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It's not just you. I'm not enjoying this UI at all, just like you say, I wish the icons have colors. That's how I spent the last 11 years identifying what I am opening, now I need one miss click to open the right function.
And tbh the neocom should NOT be transparent after I put transparency to zero.
/c
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2590
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Posted - 2014.12.10 08:30:52 -
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Rhea is awesome, Monochrome Icons are sh*t. CCP please fix. |
Saturday Beerun
Lost Ark Enterprises
8
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Posted - 2014.12.10 08:37:43 -
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No it isn't just you.The whole thing sucks.Or is a step or two backward in design.The UI windows are so indistinct.Having removed all the customisatiion from the interface,choosing a colour scheme I can put up wth, means windows have lost so much definition. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2419
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Posted - 2014.12.10 08:41:19 -
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It's nice to see that CCP ignored virtually every bit of feedback that was given to them in the UI thread, and in fact did the exact opposite of what was requested by players.
Feels like maybe they're trying to test the waters for an iPad release or something. Hurr.
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1494
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Posted - 2014.12.10 08:54:13 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I kinda don't care either way with the icons. I feel like half the time I couldn't find what I was looking for anyways.
Hehe, cool. Glad I'm not the only one. |
ForTheEmpire2014
Shoot The Messenger
34
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:11:13 -
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I like it. Probably cuz you all hate it!
Actually, if ccp fixed the transparency thing on windows that shouldn't be, and the mystery-buttons thing. The color choices are not that bad. Dark grey is good, but the Blood Raiders choice is demonic. And blur, definitely OFF.
Otherwise, the ship changes and the new rendering are really cool. The proto-map will be purely awesome when tweaked! Best change in Rhea. Spend some time trying it out, well worth it!
Change is good...
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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Slavealt
Sheep Can Hear A Zipper From A Mile Away
0
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:15:53 -
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CCP ignored all of the Sisi feedback on these crappy icons/menus, like usual. Don't expect them to fix it for another 6 months, at best. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26920
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:21:43 -
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yes, EVE is being treated like an operating system. the viewport--the part we see space out of--is being treated like a desktop. In normal games, there is a significant border around the screen to build a feeling of environment, with an enclosure such as a windshield or a themed frame around the edges. But putting us in first person would be pointless due to the RP of piloting ships from the inside of a pod. So I think the commitment to an open border is the right decision.
but.
the viewport is not very sacred, apparently, and I think that's the biggest problem, and the start of improving the interface. EVE is not an operating system, and it should be a top priority to kill the tables. Colloquially they're called windows, but windows is a microsoft term for the tables in its operating system. that's one indicator of how deeply we've come to accept the tables in EVE.
the worst news is this latest iteration is still stuck in the operating system / tables design strategy. imo, it lacks creativity, and is a -huge- waste of immersion and ergonomics.
I'm also guessing the icons were vectorized so they can magnify as you mouse over them, the way the icons do along the bottom of the screen in mac operating systems.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1647
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:26:56 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Colloquially they're called windows, but windows is a microsoft term for the tables in its operating system. Ha ha ha, oh god no.
An operating system like design is great in games with a lot of data to communicate or elements to interact with.
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Feuer Frei
Solar Guards. SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:32:45 -
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fully agree
this is what I feel when I look at the new colors and icons |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26920
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:36:20 -
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have you seen my feedback post with ways to dismantle chat channels and reduce tables? There are alternatives.
this is one of those cases where you have to show people what they want before they know they want it. players, not just devs, are accepting of the UI because it's all they can imagine, and all they've known. but games are a type of program that should have unique, branded interfaces. we are still playing excel in space.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:38:15 -
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- i like it, colors can be changed. - the icons are easier to distinguish - i have been reading the messages when i login, so there was no surprise - i have checked the devblogs, so there was no surprise - i played on sissy and tested, so there was no surprise
So it finally come to:
How many Eve Players takes it to change a Lightbulb?
EvePlayers: CHAAAANGE!?!?! NOOOOOO!!!!
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Meutrich
Honor and Ethics Keiretsu Kapital
0
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:38:24 -
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+1 for the crowd, that dislike the new UI and icons. |
Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:38:56 -
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GIVE DARK OPAQUE!!!!111!!!!!11!! GIVE ME GIVE ME GIVE ME!!!!11!!11111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
506
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:41:37 -
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I like the design for the most part, but it seems theyve taken away the ability to customise the colours.
Although i never use the neocom i can see why people dont like it. |
Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
663
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:50:43 -
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I present to you, the new-and-upcoming Eve Forums! We've gone ahead and mimicked the current Eve Online experience to provide you with the fullest experience imaginable! no more distracting colors, weird shapes or issues with distinguishing between elements as they are all exactly the same! Hooray for dullness and eye strain!
If you'd like a sneak peek, look no further: Bow to me as I'm your futureof graphical design. |
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:53:25 -
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Tre Telos wrote:I really hate the new icons. The old icons were meaningful and visually attractive. The new icons are meaningful, but visually SUCK! No color, and no 3D effect. I suppose I can get used to them, but EVE surely uglified itself in this update.
The same for the color schemes. The color just distract from the menus where they appear. The UI is really ugly now. I will continue to use them, but they are not ascetically pleasing. This update was a step backwards for the UI. No, friend, you are not alone. I could say hundreds of things about the new UI skin, but it would be wasted time.
The Devs said it themselves with another UI feature: "If we were to see a reaction similar to the reaction triggered by the removal of the start button in Windows 8 I'm sure we would re-evaluate." It's almost like a 'no-****' kind of thing, but yeah.
Colour themes are just fine, but you can't customise them. That makes it effectively worse.
Meh. |
Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
72
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:06:15 -
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After download the new Client and started, my eyes got hurt by the bright font over the transparent Windows. Chat window, Inventory, etc. is nearly unreadable in this way.
But I figured out how to configure colours and transparency to achieve nearly the look and feel of the former UI. And achieve it better readable. I will explain this in a separate post later.
The new NeoCom... Yes it sucks. I like colours. Now they are gone. :-( And I need to mouseover the Icon and wait for the Information window, what this Icon is for...
Usability of the new UI: -8
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
306
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:06:51 -
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Okay I too hated the new UI, still do for the Eve menu new graphics as they all look the same and Im forced to relearn what is what and now itll be easier to missclick in haste. But since I turned off that blur and turned transparency to 0, thanx Chribba you da man!!, its a lot better and more like the old one. Enough to suit me anyway.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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ForTheEmpire2014
Shoot The Messenger
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:11:05 -
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Wah, don't change things, I like it just the way it is!
Change is good, just keep it comin'...
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:13:00 -
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You've already had your input. Shoo |
Isalone
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
55
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:13:54 -
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I think the icons are ok, after a week or two everyone will get used to them.
On the other hand I think the new color schemes are bad. The only difference between them is border and button color. I always used schemes with brighter window "interior", now it's just black. This really hurts my eyes. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1494
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:19:09 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:I present to you, the new-and-upcoming Eve Forums! We've gone ahead and mimicked the current Eve Online experience to provide you with the fullest experience imaginable! no more distracting colors, weird shapes or issues with distinguishing between elements as they are all exactly the same! Hooray for dullness and eye strain! If you'd like a sneak peek, look no further: Bow to me as I'm your futureof graphical design.
Well it fits the EVE is dark & harsh.... |
3BEPEB
PARTISANS
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:33:37 -
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CCP unprofeccionaly closed several threads about new UI: WTF Motion Sickness from new UI PLEASE RETURN OLD INTERFACE
and even discussion thread was closed: New UI discussion thread (not feedback)
Great job CCP, keep it up and none will stay in eve. The Loss of half of players for last year - that's the result of closing such threads.
New UI is not smth realy NEW, it's just a SKIN! I don't have an opportunity to choose UI skins. Why?
This thread would be closed too, I guess.
So just do a simple thing:
Esc -> General Settings -> Your Support Tickets -> Create New Support Ticket
Group: Game Play Category: Interfaces, Controls & Menus
Subject : PLEASE RETURN OLD INTERFACE Support Ticket Text : PLEASE RETURN OLD INTERFACE
And press Submit
here is a memo: PLEASE RETURN OLD INTERFACE JPG MEMO
It'll take less than a minute. If u feel 4 me, If u love eve - just do it.
Make them stop killing EVE!!!
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Noriko Mai
1651
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:37:35 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:I present to you, the new-and-upcoming Eve Forums! We've gone ahead and mimicked the current Eve Online experience to provide you with the fullest experience imaginable! no more distracting colors, weird shapes or issues with distinguishing between elements as they are all exactly the same! Hooray for dullness and eye strain! If you'd like a sneak peek, look no further: Bow to me as I'm your futureof graphical design. Nah. I still can see and distinguish everything. Very very distracting! I've tuned youe sneak peek a little bit. |
Alastair Ormand
Running With Scissors. Apocalypse Now.
93
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:39:35 -
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They're all so monotone it can be difficult to navigate. Last icons had color and were easier to distinguish.
I like the new UI overall it is a nice change.
Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
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Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
113026
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:40:26 -
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COLOURS! ^_^ |
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele Nulli Secunda
56
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:42:02 -
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It is a first iteration of new UI, when you dont like and have better argument than "I like color, make my icons shiny/pink/whatever" stop moaning in this thread and give feedback in https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=384110 |
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:43:14 -
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3BEPEB wrote:CCP unprofeccionaly closed several threads about new UI: WTFMotion Sickness from new UIPLEASE RETURN OLD INTERFACEand even discussion thread was closed: New UI discussion thread (not feedback)Great job CCP, keep it up and none will stay in eve. The Loss of half of players for last year - that's the result of closing such threads. New UI is not smth realy NEW, it's just a SKIN! I don't have an opportunity to choose UI skins. Why? This thread would be closed too, I guess. So just do a simple thing: Esc -> General Settings -> Your Support Tickets -> Create New Support TicketGroup: Game PlayCategory: Interfaces, Controls & MenusSubject : PLEASE RETURN OLD INTERFACESupport Ticket Text : PLEASE RETURN OLD INTERFACEAnd press Submithere is a memo: PLEASE RETURN OLD INTERFACE JPG MEMOIt'll take less than a minute. If u feel 4 me, If u love eve - just do it. Make them stop killing EVE!!!
A: No. B: Closing threads to contain feedback is fair enough. As they point out, there's multiple Dev threads to post feedback, because they're reading it. C: Spam tickets are... Well... Spam. Here's a better idea: create some well-constructed feedback and post it in the feedback thread. The more different people posting about the same stuff, the more likely it is that change will occur. |
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
434
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:44:13 -
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I like them. When I first saw them on Sisi I thought "hell no!" However I foud that I was very quickly able to adapt and when I switched back to Tq I then found the flaw in the old scheme - the colors were a riot, the details of the icons would not be distinguished properly which meant that the icon itself was "illegable." Did you ever actually tried to study closely the old icons in order to see what they were trying to depict? Not to easy or obvious.
The new scheme - while simplified (dirty word to many eve players) makes them clearer and more legible. My advise is give it some time.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
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Don Pera Saissore
24
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:49:44 -
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It's bad mkay.
I don't know what is considered majority in Iceland but the way i see it the majority of the feedback is not positive. |
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
108
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:50:43 -
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The new icons all look the same. Very hard to tell them apart without wasting time.
CCP: I am NOT color blind, please return DIFFERENT colors to the icons. This monochrome stuff is giving me a headache, and takes several times longer to navigate due to the fact that without different colors I can no longer navigate the menus with my peripheral vision.
Return varied color to Gallente ships! not everything looks good in DARK GREEN!
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:51:17 -
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Don Pera Saissore wrote:It's bad mkay.
I don't know what is considered majority in Iceland but the way i see it the majority of the feedback is not positive. Dev votes are worth 100k each. Because, you know, fairness. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
829
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Posted - 2014.12.10 11:09:52 -
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First of all, my opinion is not objective since I'm not a designer, but rather subjective one based on my preferences.
That being said, I like the minimalistic design of the new icons, since I generally like the minimalistic design in everything... from furniture and cars to UI. I may need some time to re-adjust my memory for the new icons since I was using the old ones for so long, but I'll eventually get used to it. A designer with experience sure could add something to ease that process (for example color like mentioned here), but I wouldn't honestly know how it would look until it's implemented and I can see it (not a visualizing type myself).
Regarding the color schemes, I have managed to make the exact Black non-transparent color scheme as I had with the old UI. I did however, decided to switch it as soon as I saw the option to match the color scheme with the type of the ship I'm flying. Seriously, that option is great. Now my UI can look fresh and be dynamic every time I switch ships.
Overall, my (subjective) opinion is that it's up to taste and personal preferences, but professional designers might have more objective input.
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Kalishka Ashkulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2014.12.10 11:16:11 -
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I agree with you about the icons. I don't mind that they went for the simplistic look, it's just the final design of the icons that bother me. Maybe some time down the road, we could have a choice of theme for the icons?
As for the colour schemes, I don't mind that so much. I personally have mine set to Dark Matter, which is pretty close to the previous colour scheme. Some of the other palettes arn't too bad either.
Why, thank you, Thing!
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3BEPEB
PARTISANS
30
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Posted - 2014.12.10 11:38:45 -
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Old UI - I did not need to think or search Icons New UI - I HAVE to search Icons on every single action
Old Icons - good New Icons - Crap
CCP did a new skin? OK, give me a choice to use Old one too. Why should I like new colourless UI ? I don't have to and I don't! Why someone in CCP decides for me? It's a simple skin for Gallente Gods sake! Give us choice!
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
272
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Posted - 2014.12.10 11:46:38 -
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It'd be nice if we could import our own custom icons......... |
Valkin Mordirc
446
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Posted - 2014.12.10 11:47:49 -
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I think it's just something we have to get used to. I know I'm having problems trying to find the right icon to open the market or such.
Personally I like the change, and I think I'll love once I get used to it.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
461
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Posted - 2014.12.10 11:53:01 -
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I'll get used to this. Don't like it, but I'm running around with fatigue now. If I can deal with that, this will not stop me.
What is currently bugging me is the fact that windows/tables light up when you click them. Its distracting me and I havent found a way to get rid of it yet. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2014.12.10 12:05:06 -
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What is the value of testing and giving feedback on SiSi? Honestly it seems to be a waste of time ...
For all the mentioned reasons the UI is a step backward in usability. I can eventually get used to it as long as the essential things in the HUD are unchanged, but there is two things that need to be fixed ASAP:
1. The highlighting of the whole window when activated has to go, this does not only distract you but also reduces the contrast of information inside the window making it much harder to identify, especially for the overview and the probe scan window. A subtle highlighting of the title bare is enough.
2. Stacking transparency is awful, as content from the headers shines through drop down menus making the entries unreadable. Setting transparency to 0 doesn't help!
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
608
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Posted - 2014.12.10 12:11:48 -
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Frankly, I like it. Clean and ordered. Some say it looks like an operating system... well, whats wrong with that? For a pod pilot it is an operating system. Sure, I've got to remember the new icons, but that is a task of a few hours play, especially given a lot of the symbols actually make sense, compared to the old symbols, half of which, quite frankly were just colour blobs it was so hard to distinguish (I mean, what were the market and fitting symbols depicting? I can take an educated guess, but they were far from legible).
This week, at work, we have just updated our drafting package from nearly a decade-old version (AutoCAD for those who know it), and I'm busily in the process of relearning several hundred slightly or not-so-slightly different icons, so the dozen in the new ui is barely worthy of mention. |
Estemaire Lafisques
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.12.10 12:12:20 -
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I am end consumer, I pay money for subscription. I am not obliged go to the test server. I'm getting ready patches. I do not like the new interface. I'm not going to pay for a game that is no longer I like |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
228
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Posted - 2014.12.10 12:20:49 -
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Personally I like this new look a lot better than the previous one. Good job CCP! |
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
112
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Posted - 2014.12.10 12:20:49 -
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Looking at a screenshot someone else posted in the official feedback thread(which was hard to find and NOT in general) http://i.imgur.com/vPCSLoM.jpg This brings a tear to my eye when I realize what we just lost. Varied colors.. CONTRAST.. icons that actually tell me what each button does. I'm sure I can figure out that the graph line is the market, and such. In line with that, there are two medieval shield icons.. I thought about it for a minute as a test. and my best guess was:
Uh... oh yeah, the loyalty point store was the top left one wasn't it? maybe that's that one.. uh.. Cant remember the other, so no clue, need to mouse over to read the text..
Things I have trouble with(AFTER going through the trouble of seeing them clearly because they have no contrast) Test: can YOU tell what all of the icons are without mousing over?
Two flags. Medieval shield. Some.. thingy.. in a circle. A few random dots with lines between. A box with a smaller box in it and something behind it. The letter Z. A star that looks made of text. A box at a 45 degree angle.
CCP seriously, I will admit I'm no expert at design, but those things are Icons I literally have NO CLUE what they mean after minutes of staring(and the NO COLOR, NO CONTRAST bit makes staring necessary).
Do I really need to state what my opinion is at this point? I think my utter confusion and EYE STRAIN should make it easy for you to guess what I think.
I'm quite sure that I'll "adjust" by learning what this all means. Or get forced to learn all the shortcuts for everything. But that's really an excuse Isn't it?
Return varied color to Gallente ships! not everything looks good in DARK GREEN!
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
609
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Posted - 2014.12.10 12:28:13 -
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Eraza wrote: icons that actually tell me what each button does....
Things I have trouble with(AFTER going through the trouble of seeing them clearly because they have no contrast) Test: can YOU tell what all of the icons are without mousing over?
....The letter Z...
...but those things are Icons I literally have NO CLUE what they mean after minutes of staring
Its kinda self-defeating when you cite as an example for an unrecognisable symbol, one that is the same symbol that it used to be (just a little decluttered). Go on, figure it out .
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Chirara Brazontii
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.12.10 12:41:13 -
[50] - Quote
The new UI icons are from beyond the pale !
Color schemes suck a bit also but the match to ship color is great.
And CCP if you did a UI that sucks with the idea for us to memorize all the keystokes and so we dont need an UI (manual control) please count me out of that part.
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Omega Tron
Amarr Mining Inc
44
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Posted - 2014.12.10 12:50:12 -
[51] - Quote
Generally speaking I don't much care what CCP changes in the game as long as it continues to be available. I adapt to whatever they choose to do. But this time with the icon change, I agree with those who do not like it. The old ones were good ones.
CCP's sand box is EVE Online. The sand is owned by CCP. We pay them a monthly fee to throw the sand at each other. That is all that is here, so move along. Nothing more to be seen.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
13509
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Posted - 2014.12.10 12:52:58 -
[52] - Quote
I spent 10 min in photo shop and managed to come up with this - http://i.imgur.com/Hgb2EYw.png
Simple and would make things easier.
/c
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Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
60
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:02:48 -
[53] - Quote
Now that's a cool alternative Chribba. Monochromatic icons aren't user friendly, it's ergonomy 101... |
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1639
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:10:22 -
[54] - Quote
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I kinda don't care either way with the icons. I feel like half the time I couldn't find what I was looking for anyways. now I mostly just use the hot keys for stuff.
menu colors, eh, again hardly notice them. plus if you play with the settings they kinda seem to look the same as they used to. why do people always use the "eh, just deal with it and use the hotkeys" thing?
why dont we just remove ALL ui and graphics from EVE, just make it dots shooting numbers at eachother, afterall, you dont need anything to LOOK nice, just use hotkeys for everything, and obviously youll be zoomed out all the time, so no sense wasting money on an art department |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
829
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:16:29 -
[55] - Quote
As I said earlier in this thread, I'm not a visualizing type of person, but now that I've seen this, it really would make things easier Thanks, Chribba!
P.S. Can I get into "Grrr UI" crowd now?
o.0
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3BEPEB
PARTISANS
31
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:22:52 -
[56] - Quote
It's awesome!
But I got question: Why did CCP make things harder? What was the reason of UI change? What was wrong with old UI? Stupid changes that does not make any sence in every patch and NO STATIONS, CCP does not keep promises and people are leaving Eve. UI is everything, it's a part of gameplay, not The Grafics.
It's one of CCP's social experiments I guess, they want to know how many more players can leave Eve. Great Job CCP!
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
30
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:22:56 -
[57] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote:I think they're too flat and simplified.
Now if they could make them faux-3D floating holographic glowing thingies, I'd be happy. They're just lacking dimension and awesome.
totally. A backward move in graphics. I wonder what chump thought it. Maybe it's to reduce server load ...
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SHIP
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Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
113
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:31:36 -
[58] - Quote
Man I could just hug you, this is a LOT better, and still keeps in CCPs "simpler" theme can we petition to have this as the current, or at least an option?
Return varied color to Gallente ships! not everything looks good in DARK GREEN!
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Ecks Khan
The Northerners Northern Coalition.
14
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:35:37 -
[59] - Quote
Tre Telos wrote:I really hate the new icons. The old icons were meaningful and visually attractive. The new icons are meaningful, but visually SUCK! No color, and no 3D effect. I suppose I can get used to them, but EVE surely uglified itself in this update.
The same for the color schemes. The color just distract from the menus where they appear. The UI is really ugly now. I will continue to use them, but they are not ascetically pleasing. This update was a step backwards for the UI.
no, it's not just you, it's ugly AND useless. This is not just us having a reaction to change, it's us saying that we actually don't like it like this.
We can and will get used to it, but it smacks of the bad old days of CCP not listening to feed back because we told them all this on the test server and test server forum section.
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
224
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:36:48 -
[60] - Quote
Grr UI :( Now I have to rely on tooltips and memories of what was where to deal with the new icons on the neocom bar.
While getting rid of the bitmap icons in favor of the vectorized scalable ones surely has it technical benefits, the new UI is just pain-inducing. It is even LESS user friendly than the old one was.
Most people will stop whining and get over it after a time, though, so I have no doubt that those beautiful designs are in EVE to stay for a few years at least :\ |
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
339
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:38:15 -
[61] - Quote
I'm not going to make any comment on the icons - I'm not able to pick them out immediately and have to wait for the tooltip to work out what it is (which takes a while because otherwise the tooltip on my damage control makes it impossible to activate any other module... except that even with the tooltip delay set long the damage control tooltip still makes it impossible to activate other modules!) However I'll probably learn the new icons as quickly as I learned the old ones - it's a shame they didn't share common imagary to make the transition easier but that's a minor thing.
The colour schemes and the new window design are terrible however.
And the blurry space behind windows which doesn't actually give you any information actually makes me feel like I have less screen real-estate to work with than before - which given that I couldn't see my own ship most of the time because of the various windows I feel I need open (particularly since they removed the snap distance option which means I need to space windows out even more to avoid having them snap to each other) is an impressive achievement! |
Sickozu
Swifts Russian Legion of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:41:57 -
[62] - Quote
the new interface just hurt my eyes !!! it sucks not find another word alas ... make at least the ability to switch to the old interface ... |
Amarra Menethil
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:42:25 -
[63] - Quote
People going to hate me but i love the new UI!
THANKS CCP DEVS!
now i can fly in amarrian style! |
Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
30
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:42:54 -
[64] - Quote
Jacob Holland wrote:I'm not going to make any comment on the icons - I'm not able to pick them out immediately and have to wait for the tooltip to work out what it is (which takes a while because otherwise the tooltip on my damage control makes it impossible to activate any other module... except that even with the tooltip delay set long the damage control tooltip still makes it impossible to activate other modules!) However I'll probably learn the new icons as quickly as I learned the old ones - it's a shame they didn't share common imagary to make the transition easier but that's a minor thing.
The colour schemes and the new window design are terrible however.
And the blurry space behind windows which doesn't actually give you any information actually makes me feel like I have less screen real-estate to work with than before - which given that I couldn't see my own ship most of the time because of the various windows I feel I need open (particularly since they removed the snap distance option which means I need to space windows out even more to avoid having them snap to each other) is an impressive achievement!
have to say, ... this whole translucent thing ... have they forgotten we had the 'pin' tool that made the windows truly translucent? That's been around since beta. Not sure why they decided to 'improve' something up to something that was already there ...
"Lykouleon wrote:
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Swirler
DELAINEN SYNDICATE
5
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:48:34 -
[65] - Quote
yes, the new color schemes suck, worse still, the new icons suck, and there is no way to get back the old ones. I noticed how bad they were when I first saw them on the Test Server. No one at CCP cared about the feedback from the test server - or maybe they didn't even ask. Open your mouths, swallow CCP crap. Enjoy!!
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Niskin
League of the Lost
134
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:48:43 -
[66] - Quote
I read a lot of complaints when it was on Sisi, but logging in yesterday I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. It's almost exactly the same UI. Seriously people, it's just reskinned and the random pain-in-the-*ss lag to the right click menu's is gone.
Let me say that again: That terrible glitch where you are flying through a the sub-menus of a right-click menu and click on something but it clicks the thing above it because it decided to lag at that inopportune moment... is gone. GONE!
But i guess that's not as important as colored icons. Let's not forget that we've been staring at these same old icons since forever, it's not like they were any more obvious, we've just memorized the sh*t out of them. I can't even tell you how many times I've confused the blob of color which is the Items button for the blob of color that is the Market button. When you are in a hurry, looking for something, the monochrome icons will be faster. Just give it 5 minutes to get used to them.
If you have complaints about transparency and things like that make sure you report those issues. They will fix stuff like that. But they're not going to revert this just to get the old look back.
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marVLs
681
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:55:22 -
[67] - Quote
New UI is awesome! ^_^ |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
7313
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:55:39 -
[68] - Quote
I don't want old images-icons. Fully-fledged images scaled to minuscule dimensions are bad as icons. New ones are practical, logograms easier to understand and distinguish after few looks.
Don't look any further for negative energy, you will find it by being lazy.
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Memphis Baas
0
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:56:14 -
[69] - Quote
The new UI does suck.
I remember laughing out loud when they announced they were revamping the UI to move it away from looking like an operating system, yet all they seem to have accomplished is move from Windows XP to Windows 8.1 Tile World. Only, it's monochrome.
Icons need color; just the shape is insufficient for easily identifying what you're clicking on, and by the way CCP, "shape recognition" is not a thing.
And the preset color schemes suck. Almost all of them have black or gray as the background (secondary) color, and they're really dark. Windows are still square boxes, and there's no improvement to the capabilities of the client to actually calculate something for you.
And, finally, ROFL at physically based rendering... you have to increase the luminosity of the background nebulas to have enough light? Really?!? If the "conservation of energy" thing results in everything being dark, then fix the stupid formula to inject enough light to make the ships visible, while keeping the nebulas as they were.
CCP, you guys put in so much work but the results look like ****. |
Pol69
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
5
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:58:52 -
[70] - Quote
THE NEW INTERFACE KILLS SIGHT! RETURN OLD INTERFACE!!!! |
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
17263
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:59:55 -
[71] - Quote
Have to disagree with most of the folks here.
I don't miss the Windows 95 icons at all and I'm glad they're gone. I can easily recognize the new icons but it could be that it comes from having to visually scan legal documents all day long.
And the Neocom being transparent? Sure it's a bug but why is that even a problem? The Neocom isn't even a window..
And to the person yelling "Dark Opaque".. I've seen you regularly post in the SiSi forums and I'm surprised you haven't figured out how to turn off blur and transparency yet.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
113
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:00:15 -
[72] - Quote
Niskin wrote:I read a lot of complaints when it was on Sisi, but logging in yesterday I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. It's almost exactly the same UI. Seriously people, it's just reskinned and the random pain-in-the-*ss lag to the right click menu's is gone.
Let me say that again: That terrible glitch where you are flying through a the sub-menus of a right-click menu and click on something but it clicks the thing above it because it decided to lag at that inopportune moment... is gone. GONE!
But i guess that's not as important as colored icons. Let's not forget that we've been staring at these same old icons since forever, it's not like they were any more obvious, we've just memorized the sh*t out of them. I can't even tell you how many times I've confused the blob of color which is the Items button for the blob of color that is the Market button. When you are in a hurry, looking for something, the monochrome icons will be faster. Just give it 5 minutes to get used to them.
If you have complaints about transparency and things like that make sure you report those issues. They will fix stuff like that. But they're not going to revert this just to get the old look back.
Interesting in theory, however, I can search through the color icons with my peripheral vision, the monochrome requires me to move my eyes to the bar, and THEN search. it will never be faster then knowing where I'm headed BEFORE moving my eyes over.
Seriously, Cribba's suggestion fixes most of my problems with the UI, can I get a tickbox to use the colors he posted on the icons?
My second problem is with the transparency, the old transparency was better then this, because it wasn't an "all or nothing" transparency, like this one. I used to have everything I needed solid, and everything else fully transparent, the slider now is more of a "how difficult should things be to see?" slider. There really badly need to be TWO transparency sliders(like there used to be), not just one.
Return varied color to Gallente ships! not everything looks good in DARK GREEN!
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Ms Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:00:56 -
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I think the new UI looks great. Bit disappointed about the colour customisation, having only a few fixed palettes to choose from. Other than that look as a developer I can tell you that nomatter how good you make your UI look, people won't like it because it's changed.
After a few weeks they get used to the new one and forget they ever complained. Indeed if you then went back to the old one they'd hate it.
It's just a fact of life. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
17263
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:02:39 -
[74] - Quote
Pol69 wrote:THE NEW INTERFACE KILLS SIGHT! RETURN OLD INTERFACE!!!!
I think enough people have posted instructions as to how to get back to your old opaque interface.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Ecks Khan
The Northerners Northern Coalition.
14
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:05:28 -
[75] - Quote
Ms Forum Alt wrote:I think the new UI looks great. Bit disappointed about the colour customisation, having only a few fixed palettes to choose from. Other than that look as a developer I can tell you that nomatter how good you make your UI look, people won't like it because it's changed.
After a few weeks they get used to the new one and forget they ever complained. Indeed if you then went back to the old one they'd hate it.
It's just a fact of life.
Not the case here. Nothing wrong with good change, but this was a series of backwards steps. For example the old icons weren't great but you had 2 ways to learn how to distinguish them (shape AND color), now it's just shape. On smaller screens it sucks because usually people size icons on the neo come to not take up much screen real estate, doing that now means a lot of squinting because you don't have different colors to act as a hint.
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Ecks Khan
The Northerners Northern Coalition.
14
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:07:08 -
[76] - Quote
Eraza wrote:
Interesting in theory, however, I can search through the color icons with my peripheral vision, the monochrome requires me to move my eyes to the bar, and THEN search. it will never be faster then knowing where I'm headed BEFORE moving my eyes over.
Exactly this.
Quote: Seriously, Cribba's suggestion fixes most of my problems with the UI, can I get a tickbox to use the colors he posted on the icons?
I hope so too. I don't need the old icons back, just some color would make the process go much much faster. |
Steve Wingyip
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:08:35 -
[77] - Quote
Tre Telos wrote:I really hate the new icons. The old icons were meaningful and visually attractive. The new icons are meaningful, but visually SUCK! No color, and no 3D effect. I suppose I can get used to them, but EVE surely uglified itself in this update.
The same for the color schemes. The color just distract from the menus where they appear. The UI is really ugly now. I will continue to use them, but they are not ascetically pleasing. This update was a step backwards for the UI.
This is the sort of "player feedback" that will never get listened to. ;0
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
17280
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:09:27 -
[78] - Quote
If you want quick access then learn keyboard shortcuts. Hunting and pecking for color+shape can't be all that faster than looking for a shape. Neither meets any requirements of being time critical, compared to a keyboard shortcut.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Ms Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:09:32 -
[79] - Quote
Ecks Khan wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:I think the new UI looks great. Bit disappointed about the colour customisation, having only a few fixed palettes to choose from. Other than that look as a developer I can tell you that nomatter how good you make your UI look, people won't like it because it's changed.
After a few weeks they get used to the new one and forget they ever complained. Indeed if you then went back to the old one they'd hate it.
It's just a fact of life. Not the case here. Nothing wrong with good change, but this was a series of backwards steps. For example the old icons weren't great but you had 2 ways to learn how to distinguish them (shape AND color), now it's just shape. On smaller screens it sucks because usually people size icons on the neo come to not take up much screen real estate, doing that now means a lot of squinting because you don't have different colors to act as a hint.
I was thinking more about the windowing than the icons. The icons definitely need colour cues though. |
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
114
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:11:14 -
[80] - Quote
Ecks Khan wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:I think the new UI looks great. Bit disappointed about the colour customisation, having only a few fixed palettes to choose from. Other than that look as a developer I can tell you that nomatter how good you make your UI look, people won't like it because it's changed.
After a few weeks they get used to the new one and forget they ever complained. Indeed if you then went back to the old one they'd hate it.
It's just a fact of life. Not the case here. Nothing wrong with good change, but this was a series of backwards steps. For example the old icons weren't great but you had 2 ways to learn how to distinguish them (shape AND color), now it's just shape. On smaller screens it sucks because usually people size icons on the neo come to not take up much screen real estate, doing that now means a lot of squinting because you don't have different colors to act as a hint.
This is one thing that needs mentioning, immediately, I needed to size up my neo, to near it's maximum possible, to have any chance of using it. The way it was, I had it in its minimum setting, and felt even that was wasting space on my monitor, because the colors gave my everything I needed..
Return varied color to Gallente ships! not everything looks good in DARK GREEN!
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Hardcore Nightmare
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:13:11 -
[81] - Quote
This is OSOM, C.
10 minutes vs HALF A YEAR of a FULL ART DEPT work. 6 months are worse than 10 minutes work!
CCP. You failed worse than Incarna. |
Ecks Khan
The Northerners Northern Coalition.
14
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:14:01 -
[82] - Quote
Ms Forum Alt wrote:Ecks Khan wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:I think the new UI looks great. Bit disappointed about the colour customisation, having only a few fixed palettes to choose from. Other than that look as a developer I can tell you that nomatter how good you make your UI look, people won't like it because it's changed.
After a few weeks they get used to the new one and forget they ever complained. Indeed if you then went back to the old one they'd hate it.
It's just a fact of life. Not the case here. Nothing wrong with good change, but this was a series of backwards steps. For example the old icons weren't great but you had 2 ways to learn how to distinguish them (shape AND color), now it's just shape. On smaller screens it sucks because usually people size icons on the neo come to not take up much screen real estate, doing that now means a lot of squinting because you don't have different colors to act as a hint. I was thinking more about the windowing than the icons. The icons definitely need colour cues though.
I too think the windowing is fine.
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Hardcore Nightmare
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:21:56 -
[83] - Quote
Ecks Khan wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:Ecks Khan wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:I think the new UI looks great. Bit disappointed about the colour customisation, having only a few fixed palettes to choose from. Other than that look as a developer I can tell you that nomatter how good you make your UI look, people won't like it because it's changed.
After a few weeks they get used to the new one and forget they ever complained. Indeed if you then went back to the old one they'd hate it.
It's just a fact of life. Not the case here. Nothing wrong with good change, but this was a series of backwards steps. For example the old icons weren't great but you had 2 ways to learn how to distinguish them (shape AND color), now it's just shape. On smaller screens it sucks because usually people size icons on the neo come to not take up much screen real estate, doing that now means a lot of squinting because you don't have different colors to act as a hint. I was thinking more about the windowing than the icons. The icons definitely need colour cues though. I too think the windowing is fine.
And WE ALL agree on the point that the icons DO NEED colours.
CCP GIV US KOLORS! |
Ecks Khan
The Northerners Northern Coalition.
14
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:24:02 -
[84] - Quote
Hardcore Nightmare wrote:
CCP GIV US KOLORS!
Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP0OaUOQGCg
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1498
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:29:13 -
[85] - Quote
3BEPEB wrote:What was the reason of UI change? What was wrong with old UI?!
CCP felt the old ones where, old. 11 year old and needed a fix/update.
Just sad they went back into 1980's with this design and not into 2014 and beyond.
Then again, current designs for buttons and interfaces in os's etc. seem to be all about flatness, 3D icons are pass+¬ it seems.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6923
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:29:34 -
[86] - Quote
I feel as though I'm in the minority here, but that's hardly unusual.
I'm fine with the new icons. They're clean and functional at high resolution. The old ones were just messy and non-intuitive even for old players.
Ditto for the new UI. It needs a few tweeks, as do most newly introduced changes, but I find it much more usable and visually appealing than the old one.
In any case, it's here now and in a week it will be a non issue. Just like when the undock button was moved and everyone screamed bloody murder about it.
Mr Epeen
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Niskin
League of the Lost
134
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:37:26 -
[87] - Quote
Eraza wrote:Interesting in theory, however, I can search through the color icons with my peripheral vision, the monochrome requires me to move my eyes to the bar, and THEN search. it will never be faster then knowing where I'm headed BEFORE moving my eyes over.
Seriously, Cribba's suggestion fixes most of my problems with the UI, can I get a tickbox to use the colors he posted on the icons?
Really? So you found the icons you looked at for years easier to identify with your peripheral vision than the new ones you've only looked at for a few hours? This is just muscle memory, we've been staring at those icons forever. The new ones have barely been live for 24 hours.
The PI icon is almost exactly the same, but monochrome. The wallet icon is much easier to see and identify now, peripherally or otherwise. The Inventory icon has been simplified, and looks like the inventory icon from Minecraft.
I didn't look at Chribba's pic, and I'm not opposed to some color being present, but the vector look is much cleaner and easier to parse at a glance. Give it a few days to adjust.
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Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.
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Ecks Khan
The Northerners Northern Coalition.
14
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:51:12 -
[88] - Quote
Niskin wrote:Eraza wrote:Interesting in theory, however, I can search through the color icons with my peripheral vision, the monochrome requires me to move my eyes to the bar, and THEN search. it will never be faster then knowing where I'm headed BEFORE moving my eyes over.
Seriously, Cribba's suggestion fixes most of my problems with the UI, can I get a tickbox to use the colors he posted on the icons?
Really? So you found the icons you looked at for years easier to identify with your peripheral vision than the new ones you've only looked at for a few hours? This is just muscle memory, we've been staring at those icons forever. The new ones have barely been live for 24 hours. The PI icon is almost exactly the same, but monochrome. The wallet icon is much easier to see and identify now, peripherally or otherwise. The Inventory icon has been simplified, and looks like the inventory icon from Minecraft. I didn't look at Chribba's pic, and I'm not opposed to some color being present, but the vector look is much cleaner and easier to parse at a glance. Give it a few days to adjust.
You're not understanding what Eraza is saying. It's nto muscle memory, it's a fact that human eyes can discern colors via peripheral vision. This new monochrome BS forces you to look directly at an icon to 'see' it. I haven't rearranged the icons on my neo-com for ages, if it were a matter of muscle memory i'd just go straight to the same location i used to. But without the que you get from something having a color, i'm forced to turn my head to make sure.
This is VERY bad in a fast moving situation (like being in an epic arc and trying to balance your cap vs your shield boosting and wanting to click on the journal to check out the objectives, and that's just a pve example).
CCP is probably the only company I've patronized that introduces things that offer less useability and functionality than the previous iteration of the same thing and calls it 'progress'. Ok, not the only company, there is of course Microsoft doing the same thing lol.
Chribba's simple paintjob fix would 100% fix the issue if you took the time to actually look at it before posting about it.
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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:57:20 -
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Took a couple hours to get used to the new icons, but I really like Chribba's suggestion on the colors.
As for the color schemes in general, I don't like not having control over the colors of the UI. While it doesn't affect me personally, I suspect that the new UI might be an issue for some players who deal with being color blind. Though there do seem to be some contrasting choices (i.e. Nebula).
Profit favors the prepared
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Ecks Khan
The Northerners Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:58:35 -
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The lack of color was a conscious choice. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5187521#post5187628
I don't know why they think a lack of color helps people, especially those of us over 40 who are starting to experience small natural eyesight changes.
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.10 15:02:14 -
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This i Ultra like. Please CCP make this happen
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2014.12.10 15:03:43 -
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They made it sound as if it was to help people identify the icons better, but lack of color does the opposite of that. And actually they did it because the code is simpler with one universal color rather than each icon having its own little palette. It doesn't help us, it just helps them. |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.12.10 15:05:13 -
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o/ <<<<< It's you vote.
Gankers are sociopaths who would rather use their time-in-place advantage to jump and one-shot a noob than fight straight-up someone who poses a challenge to them. If you need to call a ganker a "person," have at it. He is what he is.
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Ms Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.10 15:12:00 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:They made it sound as if it was to help people identify the icons better, but lack of color does the opposite of that. And actually they did it because the code is simpler with one universal color rather than each icon having its own little palette. It doesn't help us, it just helps them.
It's impossible to colourise non-greyscale icons according to user preferences, or very complicated. So your starting point for icons that change colour is to just make them an alpha channel with no RGB at all. Then you can given them whatever colour you want at runtime on the fly by multiplying the alpha value with an actual colour, i.e. you don't have to have baked the colours into them and into the .exe. So I expect that's why they did it. In future they will be able to make the icon any colour you want. |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.12.10 15:19:35 -
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Please post any feedback you have on the Rhea release in the relevant thread.
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