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Xtrah
No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:30:23 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5318916#post5318916
"Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners"
I fear this will drastically change ganks in low-class wormhole space... With the added HAC resists, fleets of recons will probably be a thing too, that might even match todays Tech 3 setups...
Thoughts?
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Niskin
League of the Lost
147
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:34:14 -
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Holy sh*t, the Curse is back!
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Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
461
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:34:27 -
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I see nothing wrong with more danger in w-space.
If anything it shakes up the typical heavy armor t3 fights more with some room for recons in the comps. |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
133
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:41:12 -
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Xtrah wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5318916#post5318916
"Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners"
I fear this will drastically change ganks in low-class wormhole space... With the added HAC resists, fleets of recons will probably be a thing too, that might even match todays Tech 3 setups...
Thoughts?
All the people in my statics are dead now.
Seriously though, this is ********. |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
133
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:44:28 -
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Braxus Deninard wrote:I see nothing wrong with more danger in w-space.
If anything it shakes up the typical heavy armor t3 fights more with some room for recons in the comps.
t2 resists profile are great.
But undetectable recons are a game changer for all the places where holes are not rolled before engaging in PVE, i.e. all the C1 holes, and a vast majority of C2-C4 systems.
In the long run this would probably prove to be bad from a hunter's perspective too, since the prey won't show any longer.
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Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
461
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:53:48 -
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The hunters already don't show for the most part until it's too late, site runners are going to get scouted with a covops ship which will appear on dscan for a split second when they jump in. If you're running sites in a hole and don't roll the connections then you'd have a scout on each open hole listening for activations.
It will make very little change when it comes to catching site runners unless the site runners are lazy and not watching connections. |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
510
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Posted - 2014.12.18 16:24:22 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:I see nothing wrong with more danger in w-space.
If anything it shakes up the typical heavy armor t3 fights more with some room for recons in the comps. t2 resists profile are great. But undetectable recons are a game changer for all the places where holes are not rolled before engaging in PVE, i.e. all the C1 holes, and a vast majority of C2-C4 systems. In the long run this would probably prove to be bad from a hunter's perspective too, since the prey won't show any longer.
This change makes no difference. Before it was just you have a cloaky tackle proteus now at least theres some other ships being used, cheaper and easier to kill ships as well. |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
139
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Posted - 2014.12.18 16:28:05 -
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Braxus Deninard wrote:The hunters already don't show for the most part until it's too late, site runners are going to get scouted with a covops ship which will appear on dscan for a split second when they jump in. If you're running sites in a hole and don't roll the connections then you'd have a scout on each open hole listening for activations.
It will make very little change when it comes to catching site runners unless the site runners are lazy and not watching connections.
People daytripping into a c3 probably don't bring a handful of scouts to watch all connections and share their measly 100m isk/hour with.
As for scouts showing up on dscan: if the recon jumps with the scout together or shortly after nothing will show on dscan before the recon lands in the site |
Alundil
Isogen 5
795
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Posted - 2014.12.18 16:35:33 -
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I think that these changes are going to be really interesting. And I don't think it'll result in the "death of low class" holes. It will mean that people will need to be more prepared (and paranoid).
I'm right behind you
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Niskin
League of the Lost
148
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Posted - 2014.12.18 16:41:54 -
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The Lachesis is really the one to fear here. With a high scan res setup they can land in your site and point you really fast. That might be mitigated by a mobile depot and some warp core stabs, if they land solo for tackle. If you are 60k+ off the site entrance, aligned, and watching the overview as diligently as d-scan, you can probably avoid a Curse/Huginn/Rook if they don't have a perfect warp-in on you.
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Glyndi
Doom Generation THE H0NEYBADGER
264
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Posted - 2014.12.18 16:57:24 -
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I'm excited, great changes.
Bring on the "This will kill [insert area of game]"!! |
Niskin
League of the Lost
148
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Posted - 2014.12.18 17:07:41 -
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I need to put up a new blog post but I keep getting distracted by that thread. If I let it get too far ahead it will take days to catch up!
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
823
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Posted - 2014.12.18 17:09:29 -
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I don't think any of them really got a DPS buff, so it shouldn't be too bad. Like that other guy said, Lach could be scary, but I wouldn't be too worried about the others. I don't this change will bring a rise to solo recon pilots, but they may be good for grabbing initial point since they don't appear on d-scan and don't have the decloak lock delay.
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
142
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Posted - 2014.12.18 17:12:01 -
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Glyndi wrote:I'm excited, great changes.
Bring on the "This will kill [insert area of game]"!!
Maeh, it will not really kill anything. But a number of things would be thrown out of (the current) balance.
- you would be handed yet another very powerful tool for killing low-class inhabitants doing their PvE - ****** "cloaky Falcon" gameplay in solo pvp would be complemented by any type of combat recon - factional warfare becomes even more stupid
A dscan immune ship with highly potent ewar, dps and actual tank for 200m is just too powerful.
As for wh-space implications I'm just afraid to run out of targets |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
823
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:31:22 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:- shitttty "cloaky Falcon" gameplay in solo pvp would be complemented by any type of offgrid combat recon
You could've used any type of cloaky recon before...
This update has literally turned combat recons into PA
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Seraph Essael
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
1007
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:55:07 -
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I'm not sure it will change much in wormholes other than the fact we will see more Combat Recons used now.
Combat recons can't warped cloaked which means they will be visible the second they come onto grid. So now, grid positioning will be everything. Most wormhole groups used a cloaky to bump them while they grab point and warp a fleet anyway.
There is a really easy counter to this change however, combat probes.
What I do expect to see is them being used to run sites in low end holes so people don't know sites are being run expect by seeing wrecks.
Wormholers are used to being ready for cloaky ships to attack and they can't be seen while they're warping around cloaked. I don't see it affecting us much.
Nullsec ratters however; I forsee them having am issue with this
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Orlacc
672
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:56:12 -
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Didn't see this coming.....lots of implications to mull over.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
54
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:56:38 -
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Bloody hell. Defensive combat probes! How do they work!?!
The sky isn't falling. |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
823
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Posted - 2014.12.18 19:49:01 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:What I do expect to see is them being used to run sites in low end holes so people don't know sites are being run expect by seeing wrecks.
That dank recon DPS
These could be fun in Thera. Just sit off-grid and jump on ****.
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
4014
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:10:16 -
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While i think the changes are fine, i think they have the same problem as the HAC changes: Theyre not enough. Not being Dscannable is cute and all but id rather they were actually buffed more.
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ArchAngael
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
16
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:49:12 -
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Nitrah wrote:Bloody hell. Defensive combat probes! How do they work!?!
The sky isn't falling.
This, totally this. Other issues could be that landing out of range will mean you just blew the gank, not possible to keep cloak and re-bounce or slowboat to them.
It's a form of cloaky warfare and/or heavy tackle that hasn't been seen before, so I'm really curious, and excited, to see how it plays out.
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Iyokus Patrouette
No Vacancies
225
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:18:30 -
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I propose we actually change combat recon ships to make you invisible in local chat... Then we can use them in Null sec
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Seraph Essael
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
1007
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:47:30 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:What I do expect to see is them being used to run sites in low end holes so people don't know sites are being run expect by seeing wrecks. That dank recon DPS These could be fun in Thera. Just sit off-grid and jump on ****. I've seen people try and run sites in C1 and C2 holes in ****-fit Caracals, people out there will do it in the new recons simply because it's "safer". You know what the bears are like, if it means they aren't d-scannable while they run sites they will probably do it. But I know what you mean. (Although I don't know what the DPS out of a combat recon is...?)
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Kynric
Sky Fighters
223
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Posted - 2014.12.18 23:25:52 -
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Wrecks will give them away in proper combat sites. However hackers, gasers, defense forces for miners (hello crow/saber, may I introduce you to the triple sebo lachi and my support team) and null belt ratters (who generally move to another belt after a kill or two) would be obvious applications. This change will certainly cut both ways.
I would be much more happier with the dscan game if instead of it being 100% chance out to a 14 and some change and then 0% chance it were to become a chance to are all ships with the chance greater for closer/large ships and smaller for small/far ships with perhaps modifiers for terrain or perhaps electronically sophisticated ships like recons. That would make the cat and mouse a lot more interesting to me. This would make the scout game play a lot mote interesting and separate the great scouts from the pack which is imo a good thing. |
Alundil
Isogen 5
795
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Posted - 2014.12.18 23:37:51 -
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Just from a look at the changes on the Lachesis, for example, it's going to lose the damage bonus to Hybrids (was +5% Med Hybrids) and get better Hybrid tracking (+10%). It's gaining another 10m3 Drone Bay and +10 bandwidth so it'll be able launch a full flight of mediums.
An unbonused flight of Hammerhead IIs will put out 158 DPS before DDAs. Unbonused, say, 200mm Rails with CNAM will be about 267 dps with one magstab.
Napkin math says that 158+217 = 375 unbonused DPS. In some other "typical" Lachesis I've flown the DPS output was about 363 on paper (split weapon dps/application meant much lower). Basic difference between "base" Lach in in the Proteus patch and the one I'm familiar with = .03% difference in DPS
Add one magstab and one DDA and that number gets a bit different. 195 (drones) + 267 (200mm Rails / CNAM) = 462 100(462-363)/462 = +27.3% increase (probably better application as well)
Fun times.
All in all I think that this'll be a far more formidable setup than the current Lachesis. And resists will be getting better as well.
I'm right behind you
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
975
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Posted - 2014.12.19 00:23:38 -
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My gut reaction. Love it.
Secondary reaction, wtf that's op.
3rd reaction, well no that's what cloaks do.
Ultimately they made the other half of the recons have a use, and be viable as a recon. This is a good change on its face. There is now tackle that people can fly into just opened holes without being worried that they are immediately detected on dscan. Probes work, they can't cloak, you see them you shoot them. There is now a tackle ship people can go tackle with.
I'm ok with that.
Yaay!!!!
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Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
512
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Posted - 2014.12.19 00:45:18 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:My gut reaction. Love it.
Secondary reaction, wtf that's op.
3rd reaction, well no that's what cloaks do.
Ultimately they made the other half of the recons have a use, and be viable as a recon. This is a good change on its face. There is now tackle that people can fly into just opened holes without being worried that they are immediately detected on dscan. Probes work, they can't cloak, you see them you shoot them. There is now a tackle ship people can go tackle with.
I'm ok with that.
The interesting thing is are people just gonna have blobs of recons sat just off a wormhole with bait. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
976
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Posted - 2014.12.19 01:10:28 -
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Icarus Able wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:My gut reaction. Love it.
Secondary reaction, wtf that's op.
3rd reaction, well no that's what cloaks do.
Ultimately they made the other half of the recons have a use, and be viable as a recon. This is a good change on its face. There is now tackle that people can fly into just opened holes without being worried that they are immediately detected on dscan. Probes work, they can't cloak, you see them you shoot them. There is now a tackle ship people can go tackle with.
I'm ok with that. The interesting thing is are people just gonna have blobs of recons sat just off a wormhole with bait.
The difference between that and having the same fleet 15 Au away, nothing except time.
People aren't bringing armies of these
Yaay!!!!
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Navigation Boy
Edge of Existence
15
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Posted - 2014.12.19 01:26:48 -
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I'd rather they made Recons 'invisible' to local channel. |
Datu Puki
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
14
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Posted - 2014.12.19 01:35:04 -
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Iyokus Patrouette wrote:I propose we actually change combat recon ships to make you invisible in local chat... Then we can use them in Null sec
This would be far more useful then the dscan changes |
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Alundil
Isogen 5
798
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Posted - 2014.12.19 02:18:57 -
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Datu Puki wrote:Iyokus Patrouette wrote:I propose we actually change combat recon ships to make you invisible in local chat... Then we can use them in Null sec This would be far more useful then the dscan changes Agreed. However it would be the first time, ever, that the statement 'insert ship type' Online would be true. As people would simply supplement lower overall damage from combat recons with more recons.
Might still be fun though trying to use hard counters against them. Fleets of bastioned marauders against fleets of ewar packing recons.
I'm right behind you
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Iyokus Patrouette
No Vacancies
231
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Posted - 2014.12.19 03:27:23 -
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It's an interesting change either way, i am just not sure if it is the right change to be making to them. of course i have no better ideas, so we'll see what happens
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Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
485
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Posted - 2014.12.19 04:14:21 -
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I'm just going to leave this here.
http://i.imgur.com/S7mAHCd.png |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
4015
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Posted - 2014.12.19 05:10:41 -
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God bless those souls who consider a WH all clear if there's nothing on Dscan :) Such blissful innocence and ignorance is rarely seen these days.
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
828
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Posted - 2014.12.19 08:32:34 -
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Jack Miton wrote:God bless those souls who consider a WH all clear if there's nothing on Dscan :) Such blissful innocence and ignorance is rarely seen these days.
Standard Adhocracy
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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minx1
Salamander Researches And Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.12.19 09:34:53 -
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Nitrah wrote:Bloody hell. Defensive combat probes! How do they work!?!
The sky isn't falling.
You need me to it lol
But it is a game changer for sure lookin forward to the t3 balance now if there going to bring them closer to recons then that will shake a lot of fleet comps up in a good way |
Jezza McWaffle
No Vacancies
163
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Posted - 2014.12.19 12:10:32 -
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I told you Core prober fools that Combats were the only way to go!
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries Chelonaphobia
720
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Posted - 2014.12.19 12:19:32 -
[38] - Quote
Swapping from a core launcher to an expanded launcher is going to kick a lot of stratios fits in the nutz. That's a pretty be cpu change. |
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
137
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Posted - 2014.12.19 12:56:56 -
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Jezza McWaffle wrote:I told you Core prober fools that Combats were the only way to go!
Took me years to find out that cores have a higher basestrength because I only used combats or DSPs anyways.
But d-scaninvis is a ****** design. |
Jezza McWaffle
No Vacancies
163
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Posted - 2014.12.19 13:50:54 -
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They dont have a higher strength, can just go one step smaller (which you should never need for sigs)
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
160
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:37:51 -
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Jezza McWaffle wrote:They dont have a higher strength, can just go one step smaller (which you should never need for sigs) How did I not know of this before!? I was certain you are pulling my leg here, but my fitting tools agree with your statement. Got to put some effort into checking how far my probe alt can go without needing the smallest step with probes, which is probably pretty damn far. |
Agatir Solenth
Servants of the Throne Worlds
33
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Posted - 2014.12.20 14:20:38 -
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Pilgrim finally gets a range bonus, Curse gets a better tank...
And people who know how to properly scout with combat probes increase in value.
Recons are back!
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
432
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:03:51 -
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Can't rock the boat can we fellahs. No sir.
Need more changes not less.
Recons getting dscan immunity might not be the answer but it is an answer
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
156
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Posted - 2014.12.21 08:41:24 -
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The d-scan changes are understandable, ypu need to have a difference between the combat recon and the force recon. With out it why choose for a combat recon when the ehp/dps/utility is hardly different? I am more worried about the extra resists though. If the difference between t3 and recon becomes to small no one will buy loki's for webbing or ecmgu's. I mean what are loki's used for except for webbing? We can't survive on the sales of confessors.... .
I like this idea though:
Kynric wrote: I would be much more happier with the dscan game if instead of it being 100% chance out to a 14 and some change and then 0% chance it were to become a chance to are all ships with the chance greater for closer/large ships and smaller for small/far ships with perhaps modifiers for terrain or perhaps electronically sophisticated ships like recons. That would make the cat and mouse a lot more interesting to me. This would make the scout game play a lot mote interesting and separate the great scouts from the pack which is imo a good thing.
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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
138
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Posted - 2014.12.21 13:41:02 -
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How will the changes make a difference between force- and combatrecons? Instead of making real combatrecons they are being made even more alike. One will be better with nonperfect eyes on you the other if there are accelerationgate involved or you will land inside of combatrange of the hostiles. The rest is determined by the fitting. New combatrecons will be plain out better in almost every situation than forcerecons, so there will be a shift. But a t3 will still have at least double the ehp and the dscaninvis doesn-¦t really matter in any fleetfights. And how often do you need longwebs for hunting since 100mn tengu went out of style. The proteus will still be used because of stupid-ehp.
But lets be honest there is barely any reason to fly any minmatarship that uses ACs for anything else but its utility. |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
838
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Posted - 2014.12.21 15:12:37 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:The d-scan changes are understandable, ypu need to have a difference between the combat recon and the force recon. With out it why choose for a combat recon when the ehp/dps/utility is hardly different? I am more worried about the extra resists though. If the difference between t3 and recon becomes to small no one will buy loki's for webbing or ecmgu's. I mean what are loki's used for except for webbing? We can't survive on the sales of confessors.... .
They said they wanted recons and T3s to be more similar... No reason to gimp another ship to keep T3s selling, please think more about the game as a whole and less about your wallet when it comes to balancing)) tia
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Eliram Kahoudi
Big Fluffy Bunnies
101
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Posted - 2014.12.21 21:52:06 -
[47] - Quote
I do love the offensive opportunities from this. Being able to fly around in a WH that isnt gimped in cloaky form is kinda nice. But on the flip side of that we are a small corp and most of the time dont have enough accounts to have 1 guy sitting there spamming combat scanners.
I feel like there should be something that would allow you to still be able to be safe ish while doing pve and still just as fun as the pvp possibilities this presents. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
156
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Posted - 2014.12.21 22:00:13 -
[48] - Quote
Andrew Jester wrote: They said they wanted recons and T3s to be more similar... No reason to gimp another ship to keep T3s selling, please think more about the game as a whole and less about your wallet when it comes to balancing)) tia
So you don't mind a nerf to null sec income then to balance that out?
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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
410
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Posted - 2014.12.21 23:30:48 -
[49] - Quote
Doesn't this kind of bring us back to before the discovery scanner? Instead of people running spamming d-scan, if you're running a static, you'll have combat probes out and you'll be looking for ships.
It's kind of gimmicky, and I'm not a huge fan. But - I do think it's an interesting idea. It'll certainly give them a niche. But after the SOE frig/cruiser, do we really need another WH gank ship? |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
841
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Posted - 2014.12.21 23:58:19 -
[50] - Quote
unimatrix0030 wrote:Andrew Jester wrote: They said they wanted recons and T3s to be more similar... No reason to gimp another ship to keep T3s selling, please think more about the game as a whole and less about your wallet when it comes to balancing)) tia
So you don't mind a nerf to null sec income then to balance that out?
Please explain why income should have any effect on balance
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
824
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Posted - 2014.12.22 07:48:36 -
[51] - Quote
Agatir Solenth wrote:Pilgrim finally gets a range bonus... While losing amount bonus. I doubt that list of things it can engage is going to get bigger. |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
487
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Posted - 2014.12.24 07:31:14 -
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Shilalasar wrote:Jezza McWaffle wrote:I told you Core prober fools that Combats were the only way to go! Took me years to find out that cores have a higher basestrength because I only used combats or DSPs anyways. But d-scaninvis is a ****** design.
**** design, perhaps...
But Combat Recons suffer from an existential crisis as they don't really fit any niches that the covert versions don't already do better, and they don't have the tank to justify the "combat" part of the title. The ceaseless bitching on the forums about the proposed changes and then the rollback on the planned resist profile by CCP just proves to me that they're making changes simply for the sake of making changes and inciting panic among the anxiety ridden PvE population. D-scan immunity changes little for W-space fleet meta, d-scan immune Combat Recons aren't going to break T3 AHAC blobs.
The only people scared shitless of D-scan immune Recons are the PvE obsessed pudknockers who haven't figured out how to fit an expanded probe launcher to their overly blingy hull, and/or how combat probes work.
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Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
92
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Posted - 2014.12.24 10:10:24 -
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Incindir Mauser wrote: The ceaseless bitching on the forums about the proposed changes and then the rollback on the planned resist profile by CCP just proves to me that they're making changes simply for the sake of making changes and inciting panic among the anxiety ridden PvE population. D-scan immunity changes little for W-space fleet meta, d-scan immune Combat Recons aren't going to break T3 AHAC blobs.
God damnit, now recons aren't getting the tank buff? That's the one change that made me the happiest
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.12.24 10:20:23 -
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Eliram Kahoudi wrote:I feel like there should be something that would allow you to still be able to be safe ish while doing pve and still just as fun as the pvp possibilities this presents.
Just don't sit close to the warp in and you'll be "safe". Well, at least from recons - a cloaky T3 will still get you.
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Generaloberst Kluntz
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2014.12.24 11:58:11 -
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The amount of tears in that thread is funny |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere Republic of the 5phere
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Posted - 2014.12.25 20:06:21 -
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Wow talk about OP in wormhole space! Let the gank-frenzy begin! You think that the small corps in the low class wormholes hadn't been screwed enough by CCP? But they just keep on slamming away!
Everywhere else tho, it's a bit meh.
Post with your main, like a BOSS!
And no, i don't live in highsec. -áAs if that would make your opinion any less wrong. -á
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.26 22:06:13 -
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This only really effects the very beginning of when you enter a wormhole.
Lets face it larger corps will stage people on the hole so they will see this coming and it wont effect them.
In essence this only effects the solo pvpr who needed D-scan to cover that hole, that would have detected a covert ops ship before but wont be able to cover this type of ship.
Truly to be fair it would seem the smartest idea would be to make them appear on D-scan for the first 5 secounds of being revealed after entering a wormhole. However people have this perception it doesnt change anything. Even though it does, and it could be a very negative effect to low population corps in wormholes.
CCP shouldn't try to cater to one crowd while screwing the other, especially when all can be covered. |
Jez Amatin
Enso Corp
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Posted - 2014.12.26 23:11:19 -
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There's a false impression that dscan is completely reliable. Currently, there's a good chance u will not pickup that covops as it cloaks off a WH anyway. I don't see this change having much change on whether ur going to get ganked or not... |
Mister Holder
Faceless Men
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Posted - 2014.12.26 23:34:37 -
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Niskin wrote:Holy sh*t, the Curse is back!
My **** got hard when I saw what they were doing to combat recons. Went from Six to Midnight straight away.
So excited about this change. |
Eojek
Starlight Moly
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Posted - 2014.12.31 00:32:43 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:... You know what the bears are like,...
Ah the words of Musalinii's followers, they crack me up every time. It's like listening to a two year old try to describe a bird.
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.12.31 01:33:30 -
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Jez Amatin wrote:There's a false impression that dscan is completely reliable. Currently, there's a good chance u will not pickup that covops as it cloaks off a WH anyway. Pssshhh! Don't tell them! It makes blowing them up so much easier when they believe in the safety of d-scan spamming. |
RcTamiya Leontis
Heroes of Taia
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Posted - 2014.12.31 17:48:59 -
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Jack Hayson wrote:Jez Amatin wrote:There's a false impression that dscan is completely reliable. Currently, there's a good chance u will not pickup that covops as it cloaks off a WH anyway. Pssshhh! Don't tell them!It makes blowing them up so much easier when they believe in the safety of d-scan spamming.
covops scouts + several monitors, nuff said |
Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2015.01.02 18:50:43 -
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RcTamiya Leontis wrote:covops scouts + several monitors, nuff said
Well, the biggest impact will be in lower wormhole classes, which already suffer from a rats nest of connections post the last but one expansion and to the smallest corps - so again, I'm not sure it's going to be a net positive.
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Matarella
Cyclone Research
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Posted - 2015.01.03 22:32:03 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:I don't think any of them really got a DPS buff, so it shouldn't be too bad. Like that other guy said, Lach could be scary, but I wouldn't be too worried about the others. I don't this change will bring a rise to solo recon pilots, but they may be good for grabbing initial point since they don't appear on d-scan and don't have the decloak lock delay.
Only combat recons get the not show up on d-scan feature. The cloaky recon is still visible on d-scan when not cloaked.
Easy counter is just have max range combat probes out and keep scanning. everything else stays the same. |
Kuklinski
Joseph Deacon Industries.
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Posted - 2015.01.04 11:30:48 -
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I wondered if this is their roundabout way of "dealing" with OGB. Combat Recon D-Scan change-OP- needs addressed post-implementation due to the OP'ness. Bring in Combat scanning gives you 100% every time on 1st scan-fixes OP Recons but (what really intended)-OGBs now pretty screwed unless they in POS.
I think this D-Scan change is pretty rubbish-gimmick. Should have given them more offense/defense capabilities like e-attack HACS or something. |
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2015.01.04 12:55:16 -
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Necharo Rackham wrote:RcTamiya Leontis wrote:covops scouts + several monitors, nuff said Well, the biggest impact will be in lower wormhole classes, which already suffer from a rats nest of connections post the last but one expansion and to the smallest corps - so again, I'm not sure it's going to be a net positive.
Lower class whs are better because they have more connections and thus more "content".
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Billy Hardcore
Jaded. The Natural Order
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Posted - 2015.01.04 17:44:22 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:I see nothing wrong with more danger in w-space.
If anything it shakes up the typical heavy armor t3 fights more with some room for recons in the comps. t2 resists profile are great. But undetectable recons are a game changer for all the places where holes are not rolled before engaging in PVE, i.e. all the C1 holes, and a vast majority of C2-C4 systems. In the long run this would probably prove to be bad from a hunter's perspective too, since the prey won't show any longer.
agreed give them the resist bonus they needed it!! i think all t2 ships should get t2 resists but the dscan?? plz ccp just stop
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Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2015.01.04 23:37:15 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:
Lower class whs are better because they have more connections and thus more "content".
Which is fine as long as you always make isk away from where you live, I don't think this is the case for the majority of people in w-space though (protestations to the contrary notwithstanding). |
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