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4Rum Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.02.27 01:40:54 -
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Dear CCP,
I do not know why you let some of the players whom have no understanding of what a tech 3 ship is made you nerf them. Tech 3 ships are not overpowered and never have been. T3 ships were just before their time and all the other ships were underpowered. You have buffed all the other ships so t3's don't seem overpowered anymore. Then some many many players fail to see what a t3's ships is, so I will in the simplest why I can think of try to once again explain it.
A t3's ship is basically a hybrid cruiser devised from the top T2 cruisers of the 4 empires and from sleeper technology which is far more advanced then the 4 empires technology. Now if you take the strengths of the 4 empires t2 ships and you add the strengths of sleeper ships, which are their tanks and dps, would they not be far superior to T2 ships? so why then do many of you expect t2 ships to be better than t3 ships? CCP has already made it to where no T3 can our perform the specific roles of the various t2 ships, as in a Loki can not be fit to have longer web range than a Rapier, a Proteus can not be fit to have longer point range than a Arazu, ect.....
Ok going a little further, I'm sure all of you remember the movie Independence Day. Do you remember the alien ship that the Americans had, now take the top Fighter jet the Americans have and add just the shield technology(tank), the anti-gravity(speed) and weapons(dps) from the alien ship to the fighter jet. Now wouldn't that fighter jet be far superior? That my fellow Eve players is what a tech 3 ship is. I beg you CCP not to nerf the tech 3's tanks as it is what makes a t3 ship a tech 3 ship............. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.02.27 01:47:37 -
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LOL
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.27 01:52:26 -
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Do go on about how a cruiser with a bigger tank than just about every battleship is balanced.
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Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:10:09 -
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More speed tank than every bs in the game. More sigtank than every bs in the game. More raw tank than 75% of bses in the game.
Out dps 75% of battleships. Better application than battleships. More utility than battleships...
Mind you, T2 cruisers outperform bses in almost all of these regards also.
Also your Independence Day analogy makes no sense at all. Ofcourse if you took all the alien tech and shoved it onto the F-18s and F-14 they showed, you might end up with a more capable fighter, no clue how that applies to T3 ships in Eve though. Battlesh8ps should be tankier due to the fact that they are simply so much bigger that that much more armor^shield generators and reactors can be shoved into them. |
4Rum Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:13:37 -
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A better fix/change for t3's is to increase the risk to reward of flying a t3 ship. Tech 3 ships are the only player flyable ships in Eve that use sleeper technology. So since they use sleeper tech and since the sleeper pilots are suppose to be in Virtual reality suspension why not make it to where when you are flying a t3 ship you are much more a part of the ship. As in when in a t3 ship you have to manually eject from the ship before it is destroyed or not only do you lose the ship, you lose your pod. Also when you eject the ship auto starts a 60 sec self-destruct count down and anyone who can fly the ship can broad it and stop the self-destruct. They way its more of a risk to fly a t3 and more of a reward to attack a t3 |
4Rum Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:31:00 -
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Its advanced alien technology people. You all seem to miss that point that it is the empires best technology mixed with sleeper technology which is far more advanced than the 4 empires. You guys keep only thinking in 4 empires technology. Name one of the 4 empires battle cruisers or battleships for that manner that could solo a sleeper site. Sleeper ships are just more advanced than empire ships, so why wouldn't a hybrid empire sleeper mixed ship not also be more advanced? |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:31:03 -
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The real issue with t3s in general, and slippery tengus in particular, is mobility, not tank or dps. In the current risk aversion meta, nobody wants to lose boats, ever.
In the olden days, people used to actually commit to fights in battleships, you go in with everybody, fight and die with everybody. Explosions about. When your turn comes, you suck it up and take the pod express home. Chat over comms over kms and the betting pool on how long the guy with name starting "001" survived. A good day's work.
Have you ever seen 2 tengu blobs "fight" each other? It's like watching 2 retards trying to hit each other with sticks.
The last thing I want to hear from fc is warping tengu fleet to a damn safe. Yes, I know it's hard to scan down, that's exactly why. How about we all slug it out and die so everybody can go home? |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:41:01 -
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oh yeah i forgot about lore balancing. |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:42:13 -
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4Rum Alt wrote:Its advanced alien technology people. You all seem to miss that point that it is the empires best technology mixed with sleeper technology which is far more advanced than the 4 empires. You guys keep only thinking in 4 empires technology. Name one of the 4 empires battle cruisers or battleships for that manner that could solo a sleeper site. Sleeper ships are just more advanced than empire ships, so why wouldn't a hybrid empire sleeper mixed ship not also be more advanced?
Have soloed sites in drakes and ravens all the time. And Id be willing to pit a solo hyperion vs a solo sleeper bs most days. But most sites arent a 1 on 1 fight, theyre dozens of sleepers vs whatever you bring. |
4Rum Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:45:35 -
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Its NPC and their tactics aren't at all good. My point is the sleeper ships are just better than the empire ships period. |
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Kabark
Caliburn Company Violent Declaration
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:49:08 -
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Gnosis is a JOVIAN battlecruiser and it barely excels at anything. It's a jack of all ace of none ship and it is Jovian. So please tell me how T3 ships with their sleeper tech outdo Jove ships? Seeing as now the Jove (Drifters) built the sleepers. T3s need sig radius increase and a cap reduction. The rest will fall in line. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:50:35 -
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4Rum Alt wrote:Its NPC and their tactics aren't at all good. My point is the sleeper ships are just better than the empire ships period.
...and we should totally always listen to an alt...
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Linkxsc162534
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:51:31 -
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4Rum Alt wrote:Its NPC and their tactics aren't at all good. My point is the sleeper ships are just better than the empire ships period. If by tactics your mean orbit at 5km and shoot... yep totally better tactics with them tech 1 ships with at best, t2 equipment. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:52:09 -
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Cut 7,5% of all T3's advantages, add those 7,5% advantages to Battleships. |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.02.27 03:06:16 -
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Kabark wrote:Gnosis is a JOVIAN battlecruiser and it barely excels at anything. It's a jack of all ace of none ship and it is Jovian. So please tell me how T3 ships with their sleeper tech outdo Jove ships? Seeing as now the Jove (Drifters) built the sleepers. T3s need sig radius increase and a cap reduction. The rest will fall in line.
Uhm actually the Jove did not build the sleepers.....the sleepers ran into hiding from the Jove to secret awa their tech and avoid the accusation the Jovian Disease was their fault. Go read Templar One sometime....it explains it. |
Kabark
Caliburn Company Violent Declaration
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Posted - 2015.02.27 03:28:10 -
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Max Deveron wrote:Kabark wrote:Gnosis is a JOVIAN battlecruiser and it barely excels at anything. It's a jack of all ace of none ship and it is Jovian. So please tell me how T3 ships with their sleeper tech outdo Jove ships? Seeing as now the Jove (Drifters) built the sleepers. T3s need sig radius increase and a cap reduction. The rest will fall in line. Uhm actually the Jove did not build the sleepers.....the sleepers ran into hiding from the Jove to secret awa their tech and avoid the accusation the Jovian Disease was their fault. Go read Templar One sometime....it explains it. I will go read that , but my point still remains valid. Jove are far more advanced than the 4 empires and yet the pitiful BC we get is a joke. Yes it's a deep space exploration ships but still. T3s are currently leaning high on the power scale. |
Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2015.02.27 03:28:31 -
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sabre906 wrote: Chat over comms over kms and the betting pool on how long the guy with name starting "001" survived.
Please... let's not bring that up. Let the horrors of alphabetic primary sorting fade from living memory... *shudder*
Also yes, t3's need to be nerfed, although this round may have been slightly excessive while SP loss is still in the game.
Ishtar needed it even worse though, and it got a slap on the hand. |
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.27 04:01:17 -
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You can always blame the blocs for deciding to use them en-masse with full srp. They weren't a problem before that.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
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Posted - 2015.02.27 04:55:03 -
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Anhenka wrote:sabre906 wrote: Chat over comms over kms and the betting pool on how long the guy with name starting "001" survived. Please... let's not bring that up. Let the horrors of alphabetic primary sorting fade from living memory... *shudder* I feel your pain... almost.
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.27 05:13:32 -
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Kabark wrote:Max Deveron wrote:Kabark wrote:Gnosis is a JOVIAN battlecruiser and it barely excels at anything. It's a jack of all ace of none ship and it is Jovian. So please tell me how T3 ships with their sleeper tech outdo Jove ships? Seeing as now the Jove (Drifters) built the sleepers. T3s need sig radius increase and a cap reduction. The rest will fall in line. Uhm actually the Jove did not build the sleepers.....the sleepers ran into hiding from the Jove to secret awa their tech and avoid the accusation the Jovian Disease was their fault. Go read Templar One sometime....it explains it. I will go read that , but my point still remains valid. Jove are far more advanced than the 4 empires and yet the pitiful BC we get is a joke. Yes it's a deep space exploration ships but still. T3s are currently leaning high on the power scale. Sorry to derail, but the Gnosis and Apotheosis are ships from the Society of Conscious Thought, a totally separate faction from the Jovian Directorate. Their ships are not at all like what the Jove have (though the Gnosis and the Drifter Battleship both seem to have gravimetric-based sensors).
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2033
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Posted - 2015.02.27 05:31:18 -
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Right now the things you could use in place of T3s, such as battleships and to some extent battlecruisers aren't in a very good place. They're horribly slow compared to cruisers, both in warp and on the field and in the current world where cruiser hulls are all really fast their damage application blows.
If you want to actually be able to get somewhere within the next twenty minutes, be able to lock the other guys before they warp off, and actually be able to apply damage to them the only viable option you have left is T3s.
Nerfing T3 tanks isn't going to address that issue in the slightest, so long as they're still a Cruiser++ they're going to be what people use until such a time that anything bigger than a cruiser is worth using again. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.02.27 05:31:25 -
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I think reducing their EHP is the only option available until CCP makes a virus module that I can download to the sleeper mothership.
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Kabark
Caliburn Company Violent Declaration
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Posted - 2015.02.27 06:17:48 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Kabark wrote:Max Deveron wrote:Kabark wrote:Gnosis is a JOVIAN battlecruiser and it barely excels at anything. It's a jack of all ace of none ship and it is Jovian. So please tell me how T3 ships with their sleeper tech outdo Jove ships? Seeing as now the Jove (Drifters) built the sleepers. T3s need sig radius increase and a cap reduction. The rest will fall in line. Uhm actually the Jove did not build the sleepers.....the sleepers ran into hiding from the Jove to secret awa their tech and avoid the accusation the Jovian Disease was their fault. Go read Templar One sometime....it explains it. I will go read that , but my point still remains valid. Jove are far more advanced than the 4 empires and yet the pitiful BC we get is a joke. Yes it's a deep space exploration ships but still. T3s are currently leaning high on the power scale. Sorry to derail, but the Gnosis and Apotheosis are ships from the Society of Conscious Thought, a totally separate faction from the Jovian Directorate. Their ships are not at all like what the Jove have (though the Gnosis and the Drifter Battleship both seem to have gravimetric-based sensors). SOCT is a collegiate institute run by Jovians. It's in SOCTs description... And the Gnosis is identified as "Jove Battlecruiser." Apotheosis is a Jove frigate that was de-milled into a shuttle. Jove Directorate and SOCT are both run by Jovians, they are just different organizations. There are quite a few. |
Helios Panala
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Posted - 2015.02.27 09:08:09 -
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Kabark wrote:SOCT is a collegiate institute run by Jovians. It's in SOCTs description... And the Gnosis is identified as "Jove Battlecruiser." Apotheosis is a Jove frigate that was de-milled into a shuttle. Jove Directorate and SOCT are both run by Jovians, they are just different organizations. There are quite a few.
They are Jove ships in the same way that the Guristas are Caldari. Related design, related tech, not the same faction.
--- On the topic of T3 lore, the Empires are not as good at making specialized boats with sleeper tech as they are with their own. According to CCP you're supposed to end up with a fairly generalized ship that's very good at two or three things in comparison to a T2 that's awesome at one.
A T3 can be immune to bubbles but an interceptor can do that and travel faster. A T3 can put on a very good tank but a battleship should tank more. A T3 can put out very good damage but a HAC should put out more.
I obviously don't speak for CCP, but I think what they are wanting is basically "take 3x tech 2 ships, make them slightly worse at what they do, put it all in one hull and there you go, a T3." |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
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Posted - 2015.02.27 09:30:43 -
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T3 cruisers were a mistake, implementation was a mess and they obsolete far to many other classes of ships. The current balance tweak is a good start but just doesn't go far enough.
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.02.27 11:44:15 -
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