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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:30:15 -
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Wait, are we really comparing afktar income to a fleet operation of multiple billions of battleships?
Really?
Reaaaaaaaally?
Also, one can make 200m/hour clean in a mere C3 with yourself and an alt...incursions...pfffffft |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:41:34 -
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baltec1 wrote:afkalt wrote:Wait, are we really comparing afktar income to a fleet operation of multiple billions of battleships?
Really?
Reaaaaaaaally?
Also, one can make 200m/hour clean in a mere C3 with yourself and an alt...incursions...pfffffft Its a more realistic comparison. If we go for top end income for both then we have 180-200 mil/hr from highsec incursions vs 90 mil/hr from anoms. You can almost get the same income from highsec level 3 missions as anoms...
Perhaps but there are significantly more variables in the equation than merely "isk/hour".
It is an interesting debate, I'm not sure what side I sit on tbh since I'd not fly what the incursion runners do in high sec. Ironically, I would in a WH... |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:27:36 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Congrats on demonstrating that you can make a whopping 20 mil per hour more (in the deadliest space EVE has) than a shiny incursion fleet memebr (180 mil per hour) can in the single most protected kind of space EVE has...which proves that the imbalances we speak of are real.
Like i said, this discussion is like autopiloting, people prove my point without me even having to try lol.
To be wholly accurate, WH are only dangerous if you don't know what you're doing//are not paying attention. The only real risk is if your hole is seeded and frankly, that tends to be uncommon.
Anyway as I said, I'm on the fence about it, there are many variables in play - and quite honestly envy/denial is rife on each side of this argument, tends to create a nasty mix. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:24:02 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I know from our years of posting together here that you're smarter than that, and all it takes is a tiny bit of thought and effort to see the truth. You aren't like these people, so don't post like them.
I'm on the fence because of a lack of information to form a fully legitimate opinion. One must take everything you read on these forums with a sceptical eye/pinch of salt.
I've not had time with incursions to work out where all the variables sit so I cannot make a fully informed judgement around them.
tl;dr: A lack of enough pertinent facts prevents me from making a substantive conclusion. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:27:34 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dracvlad wrote: A carrier training time is irrelevant, its a tool that you train into to maximise your return.
It's highly relevant, you just want to discard it because it goes against your narrative. He's not the liar here, you are, desperately spinning around trying to avoid the elephant in the room, that highsec incursions are absolutely broken. Slash it by half and see what happen. I just don't want them to go away as the OP suggested. Risk/reward is forever broken IMO because there is no number that can be put to make a real ratio out of it. I don't want them removed unless it's out of the question to just make incursions systems default to lowsec. In which case, yes, I want them gone. But I'd much rather the former, it would be fun to see pockets of lowsec pop up in different places every day. Then I guess you would delete them as the usage would be extremely low...Why keep the code running at that point...
That would suck because no-one would run them and nothing snuffs out PvP like an incursion in the area. Not even concord is so effective.
Too many roams already have moments of "ah ****, guys. Incursion. /sigh. Burn to the end of it at best speed" |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:35:25 -
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Solecist Project wrote:CSM Minutes, last year, page 125. Kaa already pointed it out. CCP believes as well that it's too much.
To be fair they said "potentially". Then buffed them immediate after.
Mixed messages there! |
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