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Van Dracon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.08 02:47:01 -
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Howdy to all,
I watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21LwbnDI2JE with some expectations that something new and good would come out for haulers. Like most movies these day's the hype is always in the trailer and the rest of the junk you see when you pay for the ticket. As much as i love haulers and red frog I am disappointed to see nothing new is coming our way for space truckers.
We take on the biggest risk in high sec. We are not given anything to defend ourselves compared to other ships. All we get is a lame 3 low slots. I thought EvE is suppose to emulate reality in some way and let me prove it to you CCP. Do banks in real life send their trucks to pickup money without security ? No they don't do they. I"m sure you won't see a priest in the truck aye. I can see in other areas let's say most areas of EvE reality kicks in but for space truckers you made us nothing more than a duck for hunting season.
Where is the creativity or when are we going to see anything new for haulers. Here is a wish list to give you guys in the office some ideas.
1 - Give us deflective dmg since you won't give us guns (cause everyone would fly a freighter then aye). 2 - Give us self destruct to cause mass radius dmg (i'm going down but your coming with me). 3- Give us more hp or armor to at least buy us some time to see some ships shot by concord. 4 - You like bumping, then cause dmg to bumper ships and if they persist so does the dmg to their ship and then they explode now how about that. You want to bump a freighter then pay the price.
These are just few examples I wish to hear other peoples input.
regards
Without trucks you have a slow snail economy
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
346
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Posted - 2015.05.08 02:55:31 -
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I too like to haul around 10s and 20s of billions in freighters in perfect safety!! I endorse this product in full!!
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
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Posted - 2015.05.08 03:00:26 -
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I think it'd be cool to have a HAC/blockade runner hybrid ship. Specs on middle ground. |
Avaelica Kuershin
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Posted - 2015.05.08 03:06:27 -
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Space trucks? Not really. Container ships and coastal freighters sound a better analogy, and how often do they sport the latest military hardware? |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.05.08 03:08:49 -
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Join the in-game channel "Haulers Channel" which is frequented by over 350-550 Freelancers and clients at any one time.
All bases are covered for the clients - almost no collateral too large, or reward too little, as well as ample work and opportunities for Freelancers and professionals alike:
Tech 1 haulers Tech 2 Deep Space Transports Tech 2 Blockade Runners Shuttles, frigates, fast align ships Freighters Jump Freighters
All of the above are used in Hisec, and all of the above are used in Lowsec. Yes, I have had solo freighters jump into LS for me for 250 mil rewards.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
157
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Posted - 2015.05.08 03:33:10 -
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How about pirate faction hauling ships?
Give them a bit of defense and offense capabilities, since they would (lore wise) be used in low and null sec. |
DaReaper
Net 7
2019
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Posted - 2015.05.08 03:41:18 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:How about pirate faction hauling ships?
Give them a bit of defense and offense capabilities, since they would (lore wise) be used in low and null sec.
Just make smuggler ships. Smaller hold, some offense and defense, and a 'smuggles hold' that is immune to cargo scan
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
7957
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Posted - 2015.05.08 04:19:55 -
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DaReaper wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:How about pirate faction hauling ships?
Give them a bit of defense and offense capabilities, since they would (lore wise) be used in low and null sec. Just make smuggler ships. Smaller hold, some offense and defense, and a 'smuggles hold' that is immune to cargo scan Blockade Runners
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Daerrol
Quantum Singularities Half Massed
149
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Posted - 2015.05.08 04:25:43 -
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Once you get Transport ships, which any serious hauler should have, or Orcas you can do 99% of your routine hauling quite safely. Ihave run very scary gate camps with bubbles and everything in BOTH types of Transport ship, though I'm finding more and more the Deep Space Transport is just so much <3 with that big fleet hanger. Though the cloaky one is pretty fast... |
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
190
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Posted - 2015.05.08 04:55:45 -
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Who ever said Eve was supposed to emulate real life?
Please tell me.
Also, I submit to you the following skillbook. |
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
303
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Posted - 2015.05.08 05:39:02 -
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DaReaper wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:How about pirate faction hauling ships?
Give them a bit of defense and offense capabilities, since they would (lore wise) be used in low and null sec. Just make smuggler ships. Smaller hold, some offense and defense, and a 'smuggles hold' that is immune to cargo scan
Unscannable spaceships tend to be exploded more often than not due to this very fact.
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Daerrol
Quantum Singularities Half Massed
150
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Posted - 2015.05.08 05:41:33 -
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GankYou wrote:DaReaper wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:How about pirate faction hauling ships?
Give them a bit of defense and offense capabilities, since they would (lore wise) be used in low and null sec. Just make smuggler ships. Smaller hold, some offense and defense, and a 'smuggles hold' that is immune to cargo scan Unscannable spaceships tend to be exploded more often than not due to this very fact. Confirming 2 of my 3 suicide gank attempts were on unscannable ships, both of which were discovered to be empty. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
346
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Posted - 2015.05.08 05:50:54 -
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Russian roulette with the blockade runners is very common these days. You really only need a big score every so often to make it worthwhile. Nevermind actually building and selling the ships yourself.
But T2 really decreases a lot of the risk in high sec and are almost necessary in low or null.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
157
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Posted - 2015.05.08 05:58:39 -
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DaReaper wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:How about pirate faction hauling ships?
Give them a bit of defense and offense capabilities, since they would (lore wise) be used in low and null sec. Just make smuggler ships. Smaller hold, some offense and defense, and a 'smuggles hold' that is immune to cargo scan
Sounds fun! |
GazBoi08
Probably Butt Legion
23
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Posted - 2015.05.08 06:09:44 -
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What makes me almost cringe to death is that you compare your freighter and a money transport. If you were hawling liquid ISK, I might understand the security part. But a freighter and any other hauler ship is more like a truck. Hauling enormous amounts of goods in one go BUT.. Without protection.
So if you want security, there is multiple Anti-ganker corps out there.. Why not hire some of them to fly with you as "Security"?
You talk about AOE self destruct so that you can take the person shooting you down with you.. Engaging people in highsec get's you killed no matter what .. So that would be entirely obsolete.
You mention bumping damage.. But that would require a mechanic that essentially mean that you take damage aswell. The ganker however, would be able to counter this by having an active repper on field.. And by this ganking would get even easier as a bump is not an agression.
Last but not least, people need to stop comparing EVE and real life. It's not the same wether we would like it to be or not. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1000
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Posted - 2015.05.08 06:16:48 -
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Van Dracon wrote:1 - Give us deflective dmg since you won't give us guns (cause everyone would fly a freighter then aye). Why do freighters deserve a new mechanic that doesn't exist anywhere else in the game? If you want guns, brings some escorts or do you transportation in a ship with guns. Rig up a Battleship or a T3 Cruiser to be an armed transport and move your good that way.
Van Dracon wrote:2 - Give us self destruct to cause mass radius dmg (i'm going down but your coming with me). Space would be much more dangerous with this. Gankers would just self-destruct ships on gates and stations and sweep up the stuff dropped from the smaller ships that are destroyed. Besides, in highsec, gankers are of the suicide variety and their ships are going to be destroyed anyway by CONCORD. What is the purpose of blowing them up a few seconds before CONCORD when you still lose your ship?
Van Dracon wrote:3- Give us more hp or armor to at least buy us some time to see some ships shot by concord. Freighters are already one of the safest ships in highsec because of their massive EHP. We do not need to make them even more AFK-able than they are now just so that you can "see" CONCORD destroy some ships. Trust me, all of those gankers are destroyed by CONCORD every time. If you want to watch, fit out a cloaky ship and hang out in the ganker hotspots and look for ships being bumped. When the gank starts, you can even decloak and ***** on some CONCORD killmails to make a little extra ISK.
Van Dracon wrote:4 - You like bumping, then cause dmg to bumper ships and if they persist so does the dmg to their ship and then they explode now how about that. You want to bump a freighter then pay the price. Making ships take damage will lead to explosions of non-suspect ships as with point 2 above. There server has a hard time telling who is initiating a collision and if you make it so that collisions cause damage, players will find a way to use that to blow up other players without CONCORD intervention.
Besides, vulnerability to bumping is the only major downside to freighters. It is up to you to protect yourself from it and CCP has given you plenty of tools to do so.
Van Dracon wrote:Without trucks you have a slow snail economy And without gankers as a risk to freighters you don't have much of a game. In exchange for the reward you earn from your hauling, you are playing the prey item when you take out your loot pinata and the gankers are the hunters. If you don't like that, either take up another profession or just use the collection of tools available to you to make your hauling essentially 100% safe. Red Frog made over 99.7% of their contracts last year, and so can you if you just spend a little effort.
Any of these is more useful than wallowing in your impotency and dreaming up game-breaking suggestions to allow you to avoid spending any effort while moving your goods in total safety. You are suppose to be at risk when hauling goods in highsec. Instead of begging CCP for more safety, just use one of the multitude of strategies that already exist to mitigate these risks while moving goods. |
Hipqo
Project AIice Whatever.
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Posted - 2015.05.08 06:42:44 -
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I love the fact that we can fit our own lowslots in our freighters now :) The only other thing we might need, is freighter specific rigs really.
But they should never have low or mid slots imho, they are the equivelant to giant trucks hauling good on the highway. They dont have any defense other then theyre HP and should never have.
A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.05.08 07:06:24 -
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Van Dracon wrote:Do banks in real life send their trucks to pickup money without security ? No they don't do they. I"m sure you won't see a priest in the truck aye. I can see in other areas let's say most areas of EvE reality kicks in but for space truckers you made us nothing more than a duck for hunting season. You're right, banks don't send out trucks loaded with cash without some sort of armed escort. Bizarrely enough in Eve you too can have an "armed" escort for your space-truck full of shiny stuff in case of trouble.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1035
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Posted - 2015.05.08 07:18:43 -
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Van Dracon wrote:Howdy to all, I watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21LwbnDI2JE with some expectations that something new and good would come out for haulers. Like most movies these day's the hype is always in the trailer and the rest of the junk you see when you pay for the ticket. As much as i love haulers and red frog I am disappointed to see nothing new is coming our way for space truckers. We take on the biggest risk in high sec. We are not given anything to defend ourselves compared to other ships. All we get is a lame 3 low slots. I thought EvE is suppose to emulate reality in some way and let me prove it to you CCP. Do banks in real life send their trucks to pickup money without security ? No they don't do they. I"m sure you won't see a priest in the truck aye. I can see in other areas let's say most areas of EvE reality kicks in but for space truckers you made us nothing more than a duck for hunting season. Where is the creativity or when are we going to see anything new for haulers. Here is a wish list to give you guys in the office some ideas. 1 - Give us deflective dmg since you won't give us guns (cause everyone would fly a freighter then aye). 2 - Give us self destruct to cause mass radius dmg (i'm going down but your coming with me). 3- Give us more hp or armor to at least buy us some time to see some ships shot by concord. 4 - You like bumping, then cause dmg to bumper ships and if they persist so does the dmg to their ship and then they explode now how about that. You want to bump a freighter then pay the price. These are just few examples I wish to hear other peoples input. regards Without trucks you have a slow snail economy You are free to get an escort with you to defend your fat unarmed ship. Just like in RL you know...
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
240
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Posted - 2015.05.08 07:46:19 -
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O.P give up,
you're not going to generate any kind of support for more hauler rebalance. steadily they're (CCP) is working on nerfing them even more. I guess its the fear of flying bricks taking sov or causing the traffic jams at jita there is some serious hate for them if you haven't noticed. Take a 7bil jump freighter and man haters hate you to hell and back and say its over-powered cause they cant kill you fast enough and that its not fair etc. whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa it jumps too fast.. it looks to good... its needs to be nerf'd cause it jumps too far.. ccp says.. Hey! we'll give it a skin... these gankers say "we want to kill it even more!"
bowhead would have been wonderful if it had jump capability.. but nope.. too overpowered if so there's that.
basically these guys live off of freighter ganking and blockade ganking if someone ( and there is no one) at the dev spot that managed to give haulers major teeth.. then you'd see whines and rages and threadnaughts to the point it would collapse the forum.
they simply just love shooting and killing things that cant shoot back.
they will not ever go look for a real fight.. instead they'll grow their e-peens on curb-stomping a turtle.
lets see.. nerf it cause it carries too much, force slots on it to get hold space back.. cause cargo hold space was too overpowered..
boost the EHP (which didn't work cause freighters are dying on the daily).. guess that was too overpowered.
freighters should just be removed from the game since they're always overpowered and move to damn slow.
these guys hate haulers.. they hate it, they hate it, they hate it!.. so much hate out there for them. I don't understand it and don't think I ever will.
I witnessed a guy just pop blockade runners left and right in jita concord just stood there doing nothing.. dude is alpha'ing like crazy.. no exploit here.. just those damn haulers kept coming in! that's a problem.. its so many its overpowered nerf it right??
hey a 7 bil jump freighter.. its too expensive, jumps to far, its overpowered.. nerf it, besides the fact a player may pay that much for one hey.. this is eve online.. where when things don't make any sense.. make something up so it will make sense cause it was overpowered.
ps... fozzie hates haulers so they are not getting any love what so ever ever again.. eva.. eva.. eva again.. neva ever again..
neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...............did I say never.. yeah I did.. I had to haul that never word in to just stress the fact that it aint ever, eva eva... happening.
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Stacy Lone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2015.05.08 08:11:48 -
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Van Dracon wrote:We take on the biggest risk in high sec. No you don't. Greed is the biggest risk in high sec. Don't haul more then 2B at once and you are relatively safe.
Quote: We are not given anything to defend ourselves compared to other ships. Compared to what? Mining frigs, barges and exhumers don't have much to show either, except for some drones who do ****. you are an industrial ship, not a compat ship, live with it. Besides, a webbing alt does wonders.
Quote: All we get is a lame 3 low slots. I thought EvE is suppose to emulate reality in some way and let me prove it to you CCP. Do banks in real life send their trucks to pickup money without security ? No they don't do they. I"m sure you won't see a priest in the truck aye.
banks don't transfer their money in a 40t truck, but in small, specialized armoered trucks. Those exist in eve, too. Take a look at DSTs or the new cloaky, nullified shuttle.
Quote: 1 - Give us deflective dmg since you won't give us guns (cause everyone would fly a freighter then aye) 2 - Give us self destruct to cause mass radius dmg (i'm going down but your coming with me). 3- Give us more hp or armor to at least buy us some time to see some ships shot by concord.
1. No thanks 2. No thanks. 3. Don't fly through 0.5?
Quote: 4 - You like bumping, then cause dmg to bumper ships and if they persist so does the dmg to their ship and then they explode now how about that. You want to bump a freighter then pay the price.
A bumper doesn't do anything to your freighter. The bumper alone isn't your problem, it's his buddy/buddies who shoot at you. That means you only have a problem when outnumbered at least 2:1. But if you take a webbing alt, bumping is (almost) impossible.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
539
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Posted - 2015.05.08 08:12:09 -
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hmmm i cant ever remember my parcel delivery guy having machine guns on his transit van
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
344
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Posted - 2015.05.08 08:31:34 -
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T2 haulers are boss. Seriously they don't need a buff. That is both as a person using them and avoiding ganks as well as ganking in the past. Also i freight with a alt (Fenir). Ganking is a lot more common, but its easy to avoid.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
307
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:08:26 -
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Tech 1 Pirate/Faction haulers could be pimp, though.
Lan Wang wrote:hmmm i cant ever remember my parcel delivery guy having machine guns on his transit van
Baby, you work with amateurs.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
540
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:09:27 -
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GankYou wrote:Tech 1 Pirate/Faction haulers could be pimp, though.
+1 for Serpentis drug running boat
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:10:41 -
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Lan Wang wrote:GankYou wrote:Tech 1 Pirate/Faction haulers could be pimp, though. +1 for Serpentis drug running boat
Role Bonus: Immunity to NPC Customs scanners.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1000
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:11:10 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:these guys hate haulers.. they hate it, they hate it, they hate it!.. so much hate out there for them. I don't understand it and don't think I ever will.
I witnessed a guy just pop blockade runners left and right in jita concord just stood there doing nothing.. dude is alpha'ing like crazy.. no exploit here.. just those damn haulers kept coming in! that's a problem.. its so many its overpowered nerf it right??
hey a 7 bil jump freighter.. its too expensive, jumps to far, its overpowered.. nerf it, besides the fact a player may pay that much for one hey.. this is eve online.. where when things don't make any sense.. make something up so it will make sense cause it was overpowered.
ps... fozzie hates haulers so they are not getting any love what so ever ever again.. eva.. eva.. eva again.. neva ever again..
neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...............did I say never.. yeah I did.. I had to haul that never word in to just stress the fact that it aint ever, eva eva... happening. Wow, that a lot of frustration in a single post. Gankers do not hate haulers, nor do they hate miners for that matter. Gankers perform the valuable service of providing some risk to New Eden by plying their piratical trade. Without them, everything would be hauled AFK by freighter making this game a very dreary one to play.
Haulers have all the tools to move things safely. There are three ships, the jump freighter, the blockade runner, and the deep space transport which are effectively immune to bumping and ganking when actively piloted. A properly place cyno makes the JF literally 100% immune to gankers and while when piloted correctly (with insta-docks and undocks and use of the cloak) the BR is practically uncatchable. The DST can fit a MJD (unbumpable) and the role bonuses make the tank of that thing even greater than even a freighter to the point where it cannot be ganked without an adversary expending a huge amount of effort.
Even moving a freighter can be done with near perfect safely (see Red Frog stats I linked above) with a proper webbing/scouting escort so I really don't get where this crying for increased safety is coming from. Are you just mad that you can't undock, press 'Autopilot' and gain a benefit in game without expending any effort? Because if so, that is not what Eve is all about and you might be playing the wrong game. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
541
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:24:31 -
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GankYou wrote:Lan Wang wrote:GankYou wrote:Tech 1 Pirate/Faction haulers could be pimp, though. +1 for Serpentis drug running boat Role Bonus: Immunity to NPC Customs scanners. I've probably lost north of 500 mil ISK moving Strong Exile boosters across Hisec, with there being no way to avoid it - you get caught with a Yes/No prompt as the jump animation initiates. Yes, that was a a lot of boosters.
you really do know how to make a girl go moist
ive never used a hauler for moving boosters but i would defo use this one, make boosters a proper profession instead unavoidable fines which take the little guys profit
it would also be cool if these mini haulers could anchor and cook boosters on the fly, remove the need for pos's for small operations, standards being cooked in space anything above needs a pos
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
307
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:26:27 -
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Black Pedro wrote: Even moving a freighter can be moved with near perfect safely (see Red Frog stats I linked above) with a proper webbing/scouting escort so I really don't get where this crying for increased safety is coming from.
With proper collateral ratios, of course.
Quote:Are you just mad that you can't undock, press 'Autopilot' and gain a benefit in game without expending any effort? Because if so, that is not what Eve is all about and you might be playing the wrong game.
Goodpoast by CCP Falcon.
However, I am uncertain whether the inability to "safely" log-out in a freighter bumping situation is intended, as a mere lock prevents one from doing that. I think even if your client crashes, the ship will not initiate warp while locked by someone else.
Empty freighters get footballed.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4509
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:37:24 -
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This thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.
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