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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 08:11:00 -
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Omicron Productions Inc
Mission Statement:
Omicron Productions Inc is a newly founded corporation dedicated to the production of ships in The Forge region. The goal of OmcP is to become a leading provider of ships in the Forge Region. There are plans to expand beyond The Forge but only once OmcP's production and sales has spread through out The Forge.
About the CEO:
I am a year experienced Pod Pilot though I recently went on vacation from flight to relax in the peaceful System of Jita. I grew tired of the bordem and came back to excitement of Pod Piloting. My skills were old and rusty so I bought a clone of another retired pod pilot and am ready to begin my career as a CEO and producer.
The Financial Break Down:
Total Shares: 20000
Shares held by CEO: 10200
Investment by CEO: 1.2 Billion
Shares Cost: 100,000 per
Dividend Payouts: Weekly 50% of Net Profit
Reinvestment: 50% of Net Profit will be reinvested into the corporation to expand operations.
Contact in game: Tirfa
Weekly Corporate Report (this will be done once a week and itemized as such)
Expense Report to date:
7.8million- Office Space 20million-Covetor 5Million- Mining Equipment
Total Expenses: 32.8 Million
Gross Profit Report to date:
Nil
Net Profit Report to date:
-32.8million
Future Intentions Statement: (every week I will provide a weekly intentions statement this will inform investors about what the goals for the next week are)
In the coming week I intend to employee at least 10 employees these employees will all be given a sign on bonus and will be given a bonus of shares in the Corporation.
Expectations: -The Purchase of 4 BPOs -Scorpion BPO -Ferox BPO -Large Armor Repairer 1 BPO -Caracal BPO -The Beginning of Production and sales. -Yield a first week net profit that is Positive.
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 09:11:00 -
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Note: Investors of 100 shares or more will be able to order 1 Battleship and 1 Battlecruiser per week at cost.
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rajeem
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Posted - 2006.11.11 09:25:00 -
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Sounds like a good investment to get into at the bottom I'm in for 100 shares. its only 10 mil isk a drop in the bucket.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 09:33:00 -
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Ok so we have a 1 year old player with no reputation, no backing other than a 6 week noob corp alt who expects us to give him 2 billion isk freely so he can build t1 ships. No profit forecasts, no secrutiy, no thought.
This is either a badly run IPO or a scam.
DO NOT INVEST
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 09:42:38 Its not a scam and I have planned very well I didn't want to fill my post up with useless information feel free to contact me in game for more detailed information.
As for a forcast it is the first day of the Corporation I have given the details on how the IPO will be run, Feel free to wait for a few weeks to invest once you see a profit margin developing that is not a problem.
As for reputation I will have some people who know me and are long time players post some character statements here.
I hope this will ease some of the concerns
I don't ask you to trust me off the bat or think that I will turn a profit just please don't bash me until the IPO is failing this is the first day there is no reason for bashing hehe.
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Kesslan Osefice
Panther's Paw Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.11 10:11:00 -
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Right now I'd call it a risky venture, but what the hell, I'll toss in 10M for shares. Though I wont be online for another two and a half hours at least as I'm still at work.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 09:42:38 Its not a scam and I have planned very well I didn't want to fill my post up with useless information feel free to contact me in game for more detailed information.
As for a forcast it is the first day of the Corporation I have given the details on how the IPO will be run, Feel free to wait for a few weeks to invest once you see a profit margin developing that is not a problem.
As for reputation I will have some people who know me and are long time players post some character statements here.
I hope this will ease some of the concerns
I don't ask you to trust me off the bat or think that I will turn a profit just please don't bash me until the IPO is failing this is the first day there is no reason for bashing hehe.
There is plenty of reason to "bash" your IPO if it looks like a scam. Do you expect people to just sit by and watch as you take money from others without any apparent objection.
I am asking you now for a profit forecast, including projected costs. Please share this with us. I would also like to see an exit strategy, at least 3 reputable people give their backing to this and some screenshots of your login and screenshots of all the characters' skills who will be manufacturing.
If you are legit, I'm sure you understand why people are skeptical and why there is a need for you to provide such information.
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 10:33:00 -
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I fully understand your concern and as I said in reply to your post in the Sell Orders for shares I agree and respect your watching out for the EVE Community as well I also said that I created this IPO today and reputable people that I have known for a long time will be posting references here tomarrow.
In response to your original post a detailed description of what will occur if the IPO fails was added please read the updates I have made to the description due to your posts. If you would like to contact me in game and share concerns and comments in chat I would be more than welcome.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 10:39:04 I fully understand your concern and as I said in reply to your post in the Sell Orders for shares I agree and respect your watching out for the EVE Community as well I also said that I created this IPO today and reputable people that I have known for a long time will be posting references here tomarrow.
In response to your original post a detailed description of what will occur if the IPO fails was added please read the updates I have made to the description due to your posts. If you would like to contact me in game and share concerns and comments in chat I would be more than welcome.
As for projected expense and profit and a forcast on profit this information I am unable to give at the moment please let me explain.
As in the edit I made I have stated that I will be aquiring contracts for low sec minerals to protect corp assets and in return investers profits. I feel that the extra expense of buying low sec minerals out weighs the possible loss of mining vessels and haulers. The projected cost depends fully on the price per unit of the contracts aquired as well as the ammount of basic mineral that has to be purchased due to short falls in our mining teams. Unfortunatly due to both of these reasons I can not give a expense projection profit projection or forcast as of this time.
Where is your profit forecast? Where is your cost estimates? If you haven't does this, how do you know you will even make money on this? Who are in contact with about low sec mineral contracts? Surely you have some estimates? If not, then what if it turns out you only make 10 mil per month profit? Are you going to research your BPOs? Almost all t1 producers use researched BPOs. If you are not, then how do you expect to compete?
Furthermore, you are paying yourself no salary - something I always find indicative of scams.
You admit you bought this character, yet don't mention who your original character was?
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 10:57:05 I really wish that you would read my replies I gave a detailed reason for not having a forcast. As well as other questions you asked that have answers written. If you have comments and questions that is fine but please read the responses and the updated IPO Description to know what has been answered.
In response to you salery question if you fully read my IPO plan you would see that I am retaining 20001 shares out of 40001 shares and thus I will get paid via the weekly dividends. My Salery goes up with the ammount of profit.
In response to the question about researching BPOs they will be researched while others are being produced to provide a small profit margin while good BPOs are researched.
As for who I am in contact with for low sec Mineral Contracts I said that information would be given at request to Investers.
As for not giving my characters name as I said before I sold my combat character to buy this character to make a production corp IPO. To protect the identity of the person who bought my old character I am not giving that information.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Ra on 11/11/2006 11:06:20
Originally by: tirfa Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 10:57:05 I really wish that you would read my replies I gave a detailed reason for not having a forcast. As well as other questions you asked that have answers written. If you have comments and questions that is fine but please read the responses and the updated IPO Description to know what has been answered.
In response to you salery question if you fully read my IPO plan you would see that I am retaining 20001 shares out of 40001 shares and thus I will get paid via the weekly dividends. My Salery goes up with the ammount of profit.
In response to the question about researching BPOs they will be researched while others are being produced to provide a small profit margin while good BPOs are researched.
As for who I am in contact with for low sec Mineral Contracts I said that information would be given at request to Investers.
As for not giving my characters name as I said before I sold my combat character to buy this character to make a production corp IPO. To protect the identity of the person who bought my old character I am not giving that information.
A profit forecast is only a forecast. It is apparent that you do not have one. This should be a major warning sign to investors. You essentially have no idea how much money you are going to make. Even if your supposed "contract" is not final, you should have an idea of approximate costs. What if the contract falls through? You are essentailly running the corporation for free, making as much profit as any other investor. This is a warning sign.
You have failed to give us ANY information on who you are. You purchased a character recently and if you decide to scam investors, you can easily take the money and run without anyone knowing who you are.
"they will be researched while others are being produced to provide a small profit margin while good BPOs are researched"
This makes no sense. You have no plan about when you are going to research your blueprints and provide no indication as to how long this will take or what the implications are for your profit. Furthermore, you failed to mention this critical aspect until I questioned you about it!
You mention you will give out your mineral contract information to investors. Why would anyone invest given the current information, unless you give out this information.
This has SCAM written all over it.
Until, more information comes to light, I urge all potential investors NOT TO INVEST ANY ISK. This is shaping up to be a textbook scam. Although, should more information come to light, I am happy to change my opinion.
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Kesslan Osefice
Panther's Paw Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kesslan Osefice on 11/11/2006 11:07:10
Originally by: Shin Ra
You admit you bought this character, yet don't mention who your original character was?
Well I may have that answer, and here is the logic tree: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=424103&page=1#4
Notice the char pic from the listings on the Auction: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/tiganu/Attributes%281%29.png
Now follow the buyer to this post: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=326620&page=4#107
And you see where Major Ganksta says he's lowrider1
You can find out what their recent posts are by clicking on their pictures (And then show recent posts beneath that) and you'll see how I dug all this up :D
Of course this by no means perfect
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:30:00 -
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owned.
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:37:00 -
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I enjoy how you get to keep 20001 shares, that you bought at half price of what your selling the other 20000 shares to the public.
And as to my esteemed basher of IPO's from Burn Eden said, you got a lot of holes in your plan, that the wiser investors wont even bother to touch. --
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Kesslan Osefice
Panther's Paw Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:37:00 -
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Form history searches FTW. Or well not quite the win in this instance. But generally the more open you are about the characters history (Especially in the case of one that's been traded) is better than not saying anything becaus that generally really hurts the trust level.
Thats really an important thing about an IPO really, considering just how many have been scams. Revealing then who your real main would probably go a LONG way towards establishing that, and you dont really have to tell quite everyone. If you look at the Zero. IPO you'll see that alot of confirmation went through via quite well trusted sources (Such as Omber Zombie appears to be)
You may want to consider doing that yourself to add further credibility. But again thats just one nublets suggestion.
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:51:00 -
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Yes I am sure showing my main would be a great help to everyone unfortunatly I sold it to buy this character and now this character is my main.
I supposed that it is possible my IPO has some gaps it doesn't mean it is a scam. It is my first IPO, I intend to do everything I can to make it succeed.
As for the number of shares I hold. If you think it will be better I can reduce it down. I will have 10001 out of 20001 so I invested the same ammount I am asking others too. If anyone wants to be constructive in helping me fill the holes in this IPO and you have experience my MSN is [email protected] feel free to add me and help out.
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Fumer
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Posted - 2006.11.11 12:37:00 -
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I have know this "Player" since i started the game, and i vouch for his intentions and honesty in gameplay, he has never been with a prat char he used to have a anti prat char that was well known and respected. I know it would be better to say who that char was but that is not possible. but i myself will be investing in his corp. fly safe Fumer CEO Free Lapland
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leona starfire
Lion's Emporium
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: leona starfire on 11/11/2006 13:16:15 Ive bought into this IPO - ive bought 250 shares and reserved another 750. Although only risk what you can afford to lose.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:19:00 -
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Why did you change the Large Armor Reparier I bpo you were going to purchase to a Badger MK2?
Furthermore, the 4 BPOs you claim to be purchasing: Scorp, Ferox, Badger MK2 and Caracal cost 905 million isk.
Why do you need an additional 2 billion from investors when you already have over a billion isk yourself? It seems to me from these figures, there is no need to run an IPO. You have the cash to purchase all of those BPOs yourself, with enough left over to purchase minerals for at least 2 production runs of each blueprint.
Please explain.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 13:44:32 Yes I decided to go pure ship building as it seemed to be a better investment to be honest. I think most people would look at it this way.
I would be happy to explain the investments needed. What you read as it states is the weekly future intentions statement. That is what I want to achieve in the first week of the IPO. After the first week and things getting working I plan to buy a Raven BPO and start research on that while I produce the other ships.
A weekly intentions statement will come out as dividends get paid out on friday on the IPOs website. So Everyweek people will be able to see what the Corporation has accomplished what it wanted to accomplish and what it is planning to accomplish.
If there are enough funds at the time I buy the raven BP I will also buy a Mega BP and start research on that as well.
I hope this answered your questions.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Yes I decided to go pure ship building as it seemed to be a better investment to be honest. I think most people would look at it this way.
I would be happy to explain the investments needed. What you read is the weekly future intentions statement. That is what I want to achieve in the first week of the IPO. After the first week and things getting working I plan to buy a Raven BPO and start research on that while I produce the other ships.
A weekly intentions statement will come out as dividends get paid out on friday on the IPOs website. So Everyweek people will be able to see what the Corporation has accomplished what it wanted to accomplish and what it is planning to accomplish.
If there are enough funds at the time I buy the raven BP I will also buy a Mega BP and start research on that as well.
As far as we know, you just made that up right now. You never mentioned any of this on your original post despite the fact it is a KEY aspect of your proposed business. Furthermore, you mention you are going to research you are going to research your battleship BPO(s?) in the first week. How long are you going to spend researching them? What ME/PE will you take them to? When will you purchase additional raven/mega BPOs?
Even if you are telling the truth, which I highly doubt, your business plan keeps changing every time I make a post. I strongly suggest you stop what you are doing, and rethink this whole thing and come back in a week or two with a proper plan.
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Cialtron Heston
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:46:00 -
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50 mils worth of your shares for me (500 shares). Isk are on their way |
Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:55:00 -
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just withdrawl your ipo, and take a nice solid look at it. Compare it to those that have succeded and those that havent the last couple of months. Your IPO presentation is very very sloppy, even in the begining of the market you would have had a hard sell. Now with many of us burned once or twice by other IPO's you can be sure that a **** poor plan gets nailed as a scam till proved otherwise.
My best honest suggestion, take you IPO down, and instead put up a post asking for some finacial help. There are a few people who will mentor your IPO.
Case in point to your misunderstanding of the situation, your belief that you need to keep 50%+1 in your control. You dont, only if you have a director to usurp you do you actually need to keep control of the shares. You insisting on keeping them while not having payed full value for them, just gets everyones scam meters a ticking.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 14:01:07 Shin Ra, My buisness plan isn't changing I am sorry you see it that way. I am adding more detail and posting more detail when you ask questions. The fact is that you have been nothing but annoying with your questions and you refuse to fully read my replies. As I said in the original post contact me in game with any comments questions or concerns and I will be happy to talk to you. Yet you sit on the forums spamming them without reading my replies with negativity. Nothing is changing things are just being explained that the people that already have invested have asked me in game. A lot more detail will be on the website when it comes up as well as forums for people to ask questions on the site.
I don't care what you think of the IPO it is legit, I don't know what side of the bed you got up on but I am not going to answer anymore of your questions have a good day.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:05:00 -
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Thank you all for your interest in my IPO. For those of you who have invested thank you much. For those that have not please contact me in game if you wish to. Unfortunatly at the moment I am still in the process of creating the neccessary shares to provide for all the requests I have. No additional shares will be sold until tomarrow but you can reserve them without any cost by contacting me.
For people that just want to punch holes in my IPO
If you feel uncomfortable then don't buy shares its that simple. I already explained the fix for the share holdings by me I am putting 50% of my dividends back into the corp. Aparently you did not read that. Please stop just skimming and flaming its pointless. Have a good day.
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Kerushi
Caldari AeroSpace Engineering
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Kerushi on 11/11/2006 14:13:10 build bships from cheap low me bpc`s, befor u make a profit from the bpo`s, u`ll have to build and sell them for 2 years with these crappy prices
more profit in bpc`s
edit; having a freighter to move minerals isn`t a bad idea also if u have that sort of capital available
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 14:01:07 Shin Ra, My buisness plan isn't changing I am sorry you see it that way. I am adding more detail and posting more detail when you ask questions. The fact is that you have been nothing but annoying with your questions and you refuse to fully read my replies. As I said in the original post contact me in game with any comments questions or concerns and I will be happy to talk to you. Yet you sit on the forums spamming them without reading my replies with negativity. Nothing is changing things are just being explained that the people that already have invested have asked me in game. A lot more detail will be on the website when it comes up as well as forums for people to ask questions on the site.
I don't care what you think of the IPO it is legit, I don't know what side of the bed you got up on but I am not going to answer anymore of your questions have a good day.
I have read every single one of your replies, and all they do is answer some of my questions and give excuses for the rest. If you want to run a successful business you need to handle criticism, take note of it, and learn from this. You have failed at all 3. Asside from blaging your way through a few of my questions, you haven't fundamentally offered ANY reasons for anyone to trust you or to invest in your corp.
Insulting or fobbing me off will not persuade anyone you are legit.
Listen to what I'm saying and use this information to do it properly. If you have any business sense at all you should understand this.
Its a textbook scam (although missing the usual capital cronstruction part).
If you want my help in setting up your business, I can be of assistance. But unless your learn to work with the community rather than against it, you don't stand much chance.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:14:00 -
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Thank you,
That is a helpful idea I will definatly look into it and prehaps put it into play while researching the BPOs up. Thanks for the positive input as opposed to pointless attacks and flaming
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Thank you,
That is a helpful idea I will definatly look into it and prehaps put it into play while researching the BPOs up. Thanks for the positive input as opposed to pointless attacks and flaming
These are not pointless attacks or flaming. These are genuine concern and reasonable requests for information.
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Kerushi
Caldari AeroSpace Engineering
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Thank you,
That is a helpful idea I will definatly look into it and prehaps put it into play while researching the BPOs up. Thanks for the positive input as opposed to pointless attacks and flaming
np, but i really suggest not to tie up 2b in bs bpo`s, with that money u can aquire a large stock of minerals
doing the same atm and with that capital in minerals i just built 20 arma`s with alot of minerals to spare for another 20
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Fumer
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:21:00 -
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i will be investing 100m to start with i know this guy and i have full trust in his vision and ability of making me a nice profit and the bs wont hurt :)
fumer ceo free lapland
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:21:00 -
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As was promised once contracting was settled I would give the information. It wasn't a lie and there was no need for the attacks.
Our Low Sec Mineral contract has been set with Free Lapland Corporation for one month. Prices we will be paying are approximately 10% under market investers can contact me for precise cost if they want the information.
The Mineral will be delivered to high sec space and then transported to our production facilities through routes that stay in .5 and above.
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Investment Fund
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:37:00 -
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i'll take 1 mil ISK (10 shares)
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 15:23:00 -
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Contact me in game for buying of shares
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 15:53:00 -
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After a long personal conversation with Tirfa, I have recieved several screenshots of wallet activiy and login screen. I have not received everything requested, but there were reasons which explained this. I will discuss my finding with Naph next time he is online and get back to everyone.
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra with Naph next time he is online
I think Naph is at fanfest, so maybe another +24hrs till then... --
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 16:12:00 -
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After a long conversation a lot was cleared up between Shin Ra and I. I look forward to his opinion on my finances and the such. Please contact me in game if you wish to invest.
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g 402a
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Posted - 2006.11.11 16:43:00 -
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I will personally but 1k shares and will buy 5.5k shares on behalf of my corp.
Thanks
G 402a
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Fumer
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:00:00 -
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I as ceo of Free lapland have agreed to invest and buy 5500 shares of Omicron Production Inc shares, and as i previously stated will invest myself for 200m. this is a great oppertunity and LAPL is very happy to be a part of it. I will recomend to everyone i know to get in early since i expect the demand for the shares to go up very quickly. After personel have been hired i dont see anything that will stop this corp from growing and fylling its promis. Fumer Ceo Free lapland
(sig down do to server)
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 19:02:00 -
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Shares going fast out of the original 20000 shares only 9250 shares remain openning for purchase/reservation. Please Contact me in game for reserving shares or purchasing shares.
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Shares going fast out of the original 20000 shares only 9250 shares remain openning for purchase/reservation. Please Contact me in game for reserving shares or purchasing shares.
and yet your corp description still says you only have 1000 shares...... --
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 20:25:11 I guess we are having the same problem here as I was having with other people and not reading just feeling like bashing the IPO. If you had read all the posts you would have found the post that said I am currently in the waiting period to making the shares. People can reserve shares without any cost until the shares are ready to be delivered (this will occur in 11 hours).
So if you had read that and the posts by people who said they were investing instead of just reading the bottem post then logic would conclude that 10750 shares have been reserved leaving 9250 shares remaining.
K thanks.
PS: Incase your really lazy it was post number 25 that stated this.
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 11/11/2006 20:32:59
Originally by: tirfa
PS: Incase your really lazy it was post number 25 that stated this.
ty for pointing that out to
but once again this goes to the case in point, that I have been making, if not a scam, this is a very sloppy IPO. Sloppy IPO's very often mean sloppy corps, that dont make any isk.
All of this information, and all the information that Shin Ra, asked for really should have been in your intial post. Its all about presentation, and yours has sadly lacked.
While I may have problems reading, you have problems writing a clear well thought out business plan, and thats is why myself and others have been poking at you. Its real simple, i dont poke at things that are put together well.
P.S. I wouldnt have to skim, if you had put it all in one nicely formated post or two right at the begining of the thread :-) --
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:42:00 -
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Live and learn... to read.
I am not a accounting major and this is my first IPO what more do you want once again I say:
If you are uncomfortable with investing don't. If you do want to invest please contact me in game.
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Votee
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:55:00 -
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tirfa
I think you really shouldnt do any kind of IPO, because you lack the very basic skills of running a public company - P in IPO stads for public, remember?
First of all, an IPO should consist a coherent business plan backed with some numbers about the projected income, expense, profit, etc. etc. some facts, not just random quotes from the last 10 IPOs.
And then your PR. You want people to invest into your business, but you fail to present hardly any facts, and after some questions, you advise people to leave you alone . You should answer those questions fully, not with bs like "If you are uncomfortable with investing then don't". If you cant handle questions, then dont do a public company, make a private one, without an IPO.
You always defend with the "if you ask ingame, I will answer your questions". Well, YOU are the one who wants our money, so you should provide information without request, and every information what is relevant to the proposed business, not just "I buy and sell stuffs and make some money".
If you dont change drastically your attitude, your plan, the presentation of this whole thing, then I really hope you wont succeed raising money, because if you do so, then every wannabe scammer will make IPOs and continue ruining the already fragile IPO market, which is one of the most creative and interesting part of EVE
regards, Votee
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:09:00 -
[46]
Report
After talking with Tirfa for over an hour I came up with the following report.
General Feeling - At first glance the IPO screams scam. The presentation is very sloppy, not projected incomes are listed and there must have been over 20 edits to the original post. Phrases like "don't invest if you don't want" and "ask me questions in-game", also make this IPO look dodgy.
Character - Tirfa was purchased only a couple of hours before the original IPO thread. The character claims that he is not allowed to reveal the name of his old character as he promised this during its sale. For this reason, he has blanked out some entires on the screenshots of his wallet I received. Since this character has no tracible history, he should therefore be treated as a 1 day old noob in terms of trust. Would you trust your money to a 1 day old noob? Obviously not! I have received screenshots of two accounts owned by Tirfa. One has Tirfa, two noob corp chars. The other has no characters on it (one was just created now). He mentioned tranferring other character across to this account, but was unclear in explaining this fully to me. I would be VERY weary of this character.
Pitch - The pitch is terrible. Building t1 ships is a very bad idea for an IPO. Everyone and the mom already does it. Using researched BPOs, it will take approx 2 years to make your investment back. He is NOT using researched BPOs and he will have to research them. Then there is the fact he changed his business plan several times during my questioning. His IPO listed on this forum thread does not require any more isk than he currently has. He claims the additional isk is to buy a raven bpo in a few weeks and a tier 3 bpo when Kali comes out. Yet, he mentions this not once on his original post. While talking to him, he also proposed to buy a tier 3 bs bpo and research it to me:30 before selling them - a clear indication he lacks market sense. Then comes the share split. Initially he was only investing 1.05 billion for his 20001 shares, but after questioning this fairness, this has magically changed to 2.05 billion "thanks to the help of a friend". Yet again, NOT EXPLANATION as to how this extra money is going to be used. He has no profit estimates, no cost estimates and any information as to whether or not he makes a profit is purely guesswork. His claim is that he will make 10 mil isk per week. At this rate, it will take over 7 years to make your money back on your investment. The CEO claims that the corp will expand to make 100 mil per week. He gives no information on this other than its based on "research of O'mara Shipyards". TBH, the whole thing is total bull.
Attitude - The character's attitude is almost the definition of a scam artist. He pushes off answering some questions, answers other questions by changing his business plan and mentioning he did not want to "clutter" the thread, and finally when I really start putting pressure on him he gets very defensive to the point of threatening to ignore me completely and insulting me personally. The character behaved very irrationally during our converstation. He just seemed nervous. When I told him I would report back my findings, he got angry and said that some 0.0 corp CEOs were going to post on his thread in a few hours backing him up. This has yet to occur so he was clearly lying about that. His whole attitude is not one I would like to see in a Public corp. He fits the profile of a scammer perfectly. He seems to counter this by mentioning he was in the US Military and would never lie etc. I do not buy into this, this is a game and is seperate from real life. Plenty of militarty personell play EVE and kill/scam/pirate people all day. Doesn't make them bad people or anything, just means they are human.
General Feeling 0/25 Character 5/25 Pitch 0/25 Attitude 0/25
Overall score: 5%
Reccomendation: DO NOT INVEST UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
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Elange4
Haven Industries Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:42:00 -
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Thank you Shin Ra, Treelox
I just got to this thread, and seeing two pages spring up over my sleep, I could not help but think of missing Proton Power's issue six + months ago; it happened too quickly for me to get in on, like C-R-A of recent note.
With the assertive and calm points you have made in this thread, I can see that the IPO market has matured beyond who any of us could have seen in a game,
This is more real than I know it in real life, as in real life it is left to brokerage houses to stamp approval, whereas here it is left to anybody who can to do so. That process means the efficiencies of survival of the fittest -- analysis, ideas, plans, character, what have you -- and efficiency drives health in a market...
Is it any coincidence that the EGSE is above 140 recently? hmm, I think not.
Aaro'ne may be interested in your services, Shin Ra & Treelox. I believe there are roles on EGSE that in your histories here you have already filled several times... or perhaps he should creat an "Analyst" role.
Anyway, Nice Effort.
--Elange4
Haven Industries Business Plan HVID Blog: http://haven-industries.blogs |
tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 08:33:00 -
[48]
I have no response website will be up shortly
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 08:41:00 -
[49]
For people that are interested in investing 8230 shares remain and are ready for purchase now.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.12 09:17:00 -
[50]
The website url I was given (omicronproductions.net) is currently unregistered.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 09:59:00 -
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Avaliable shares are now down to 7600
@ Shin Ra,
The company I purchase from canaca.com only sets up domains between 9am and 12noon I ordered it yesterday after 12 noon so of course it is avaliable. Please stop posting negative posts for no reason we were already rejected by you people know that. Thanks.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 12/11/2006 10:03:02 Edited by: tirfa on 12/11/2006 10:01:58 Ohh and yes you can walk ur fingers over to canaca.com and confirm that they only setup domains between 9am and 12pm
actually here: canaca
"Secure Order Form
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any other negative comments that you want to make without and base at all?
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra When I told him I would report back my findings, he got angry and said that some 0.0 corp CEOs were going to post on his thread in a few hours backing him up. This has yet to occur so he was clearly lying about that.
Shin Ra, this has happened previous to your post. Ill quote it here, from post #39;
Originally by: Fumer I as ceo of Free lapland have agreed to invest and buy 5500 shares of Omicron Production Inc shares, and as i previously stated will invest myself for 200m. this is a great oppertunity and LAPL is very happy to be a part of it. I will recomend to everyone i know to get in early since i expect the demand for the shares to go up very quickly. After personel have been hired i dont see anything that will stop this corp from growing and fylling its promis. Fumer Ceo Free lapland
(sig down do to server)
Of course I have no idea of nor had dealings with the Free Lapland corp, so it doesnt mean much to me, but it is a corp that claims to be in 0.0. Fumer is the listed CEO of that corp.
Of course whats also entertaining to me is that of all the people who have posted that they have bought or reserved shares, none of them is among the usual suspects found in market discussions. Except for Marodi's token buy in.
Originally by: Elange4 Warm and fuzzy's given to Treelox and Shin Ra....
You know Elange4, I have stated in many of the business plan/ipo proposals over the last few months, that I am more than happy to review/proofread any of them. For free!!
Most of us are lousy at checking our own writings, and its always better to have someone check things over, for continiuty, math, spelling, and just good ole horse sense. Those business plans that dont take the time to present a solid well thought out idea, are either scams or lazy peoples pie in the sky ideas.
This one? well honestly I am not sure which it is, but either way its just plain sloppy, and wont get my isk.
A PLEA TO FUTURE IPO's:
Firstly remeber what IPO stands for, Intial PUBLIC offering. This means you have to satisfy the public, you are not some dictator that can get our money and then expect to be allowed to just do with it as you please. Spend a couple of days, weeks, researching your business idea, see if its viable. Then write up a rough plan, ask a friend or 2 to read it, and see if they understand it, if not rewrite it. Make that business plan idiot proof. Most importantly, have a main thats not hidden, hidden mains while sometimes nessacary, really rise the eyebrows of many potential investors. --
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:44:00 -
[54]
Edited by: tirfa on 12/11/2006 10:50:14 Thats fine you feel that way I did all that as goes to show that over 65% of shares offered to the public have been sold.
It is a public offering and I thank you for your post leaving out negativity. Unlike Shin Ra's repeated flaming of this thread. The fact is this is a legit buisness investment if people want to invest that is fine thats what a IPO is all about you CAN invest you don't have to invest.
As for the details because of Shin Ra's repeated flaming Omicron Productions Inc is not on EGSE and won't be at the approval of more than 85% of investers Omicron Productions is now being listed as a PRIVATELY TRADED COMPANY.
Thats right this is no longer a IPO but a Privately Traded Company please stop flaming as this no longer has anything to do with you.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:54:00 -
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To state that in one short line:
Per Invester majority vote, Omicron Productions Inc is now a PRIVATELY TRADED COMPANY. It is no longer considered a IPO but a Private Investment Oppertunity.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:07:00 -
[56]
Originally by: tirfa To state that in one short line:
Per Invester majority vote, Omicron Productions Inc is now a PRIVATELY TRADED COMPANY. It is no longer considered a IPO but a Private Investment Oppertunity.
If you think I'm flaming you, you can report my posts to the mods and they can decide what to do about it.
I take it you will be removing all your comments in this thread and your sales thread since this is no longer open to the public.
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:08:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Treelox on 12/11/2006 11:08:59
Originally by: tirfa To state that in one short line:
Per Invester majority vote, Omicron Productions Inc is now a PRIVATELY TRADED COMPANY. It is no longer considered a IPO but a Private Investment Oppertunity.
honestly, i think most business plans that need to raise less than 5bil, should be done as privately held corps.
but id still love to see your website when your done....
also wish the game wasnt down for DT right now, just so I could see how many shares there were to vote.... --
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
If you think I'm flaming you, you can report my posts to the mods and they can decide what to do about it.
Shin Ra, maybe we should flame each other now, since we are just flamers and not concerned memebers of the investment community. Then when the flames get really big, we can report each other, just for laughs of course. Since we are such trolls and all. --
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:59:00 -
[59]
There are currently 20000 Shares the 20001 that I am going to hold will be created at 1348. Please check again before negatively posting again.
As for removing the post I am not going to do this. By privately traded it is meant that we are not part of EGSE or anyother stock exchange. It does not however mean that we are not selling shares.
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Rentherass
Dusk Till Dawn Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.12 12:02:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Rabb Darktide
Originally by: Shin Ra
General Feeling 0/25 Character 5/25 Pitch 0/25 Attitude 0/25
Overall score: 5%
Reccomendation: DO NOT INVEST UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
Very well written.. Nice job!
/Signed
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 14:19:00 -
[61]
7000 shares remain avaliable
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 14:45:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Shin Ra
I'm afraid I can't afform many more forum bans
Yes sadly I too will never be able to apply for an ISD job..... --
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Elange4
Haven Industries Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.12 17:24:00 -
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Treelox,
LoL I have never sent warm and fuzzies to anyone; as my post stated, I believe you two have doenthe forum a service here, but intentionally misquoting should be Illegal!
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Elange4 Warm and fuzzy's given to Treelox and Shin Ra....
You know Elange4, I have stated in many of the business plan/ipo proposals over the last few months, that I am more than happy to review/proofread any of them. For free!!
Most of us are lousy at checking our own writings, and its always better to have someone check things over, for continiuty, math, spelling, and just good ole horse sense.
And when I post, I put a lot fo thought into it and check it just as you do... please, please, please dont put words in my mouth -- Im allergic to fuzzies, even IF they go so well with Guiness and chips
--Elange4
Haven Industries Business Plan HVID Blog: http://haven-industries.blogs |
Marodi Alivar
SUBLIME L.L.C. Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.12 17:25:00 -
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Your ignorance and disregard for the advice from shin ra and treelox dooms this IPO to failure.
Oh wait... it's not even an IPO.
Your Ignorance and disregard for the advice from shin ra and treelox dooms this loan - with optional dividends which has no collateral for those investing into i - to failure.
I was thinking earlier it was just poorly written and just a crappy IPO. Now i know it's a crappy written, non-IPO. Meaning you won't care about the investors, because you obviously don't care about the skeptics.
If you care about the skeptics, you could have actually gotten isk.
'Tis a shame. Good luck, just make sure you make a post when the corp crumbles k?
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.13 00:27:00 -
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Or posts like this make me laugh and I will post when we are pulling in big profits making sure to quote everyone especially shin ra and then just about a page of .
ONLY 2250 Shares left!!!
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Investment Fund
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Posted - 2006.11.13 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Or posts like this make me laugh and I will post when we are pulling in big profits
EIB and P-TEC too...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 02:54:00 -
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I just read through this... wow.
Either the creator of this IPO is honest but has managed to ignore a year of lessons learned by investors, or he's just a **** scammer.
I'm betting the latter, as I highly doubt anyone has actually bought shares in this.
-[23] Member-
Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON! |
tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.13 03:20:00 -
[68]
Edited by: tirfa on 13/11/2006 03:20:10 All shares have been refunded and this IPO is closed to to the overall negativity of lame people that think they can just walk up and assume something is a scam because they don't know someone.
I would like to note all of you that spammed about this being a scam can gfys I have refunded everyones isk for shares thanks for the negativity that drove me to not want to pursue this your all winners.
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Ricdic's Ghost
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Posted - 2006.11.13 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa
I would like to note all of you that spammed about this being a scam can gfys I have refunded everyones isk for shares thanks for the negativity that drove me to not want to pursue this your all winners.[/i][/b]
I have resurrected myself from the grave, just to post in this, and a few of the other IPO forums. How can you expect people to give you billions of isk, if you can't even answer questions honestly, and without getting a hot head.
Due to all of the scams over the past year, the Eve Community has toughened itself to a point where, whilst scams will get through, they will have to work their asses off to do so. It won't just take a 20 minute type-up on word, for people to send you 2 billion isk.
I went through reading this for a day before finally being comforted by Shin Ra's honesty. Throughout that time, I was disgusted to see people actually putting money into such a horribly organised operation. Thats why I created this toon on a 7 day trial, as I thought people were just going to give you benefit of the doubt.
Business Plan = 1/100 (because you wrote something) Reputation = 1/100 (just because you admitted you bought the toon) Professionalism = 0/100 (speaks for itself, not the best customer relations) Chance to scam = 90/100 (based on my analysis on your whole setup) Chance to fail = 100/100 (if not a scam, you have zero knowledge on the markets etc and expected a 10m a week profit off a 4b ipo???)
I am glad you shut this down, as leaving it open was insulting to anyone both past and present that frequents the market forums.
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Investment Fund
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Posted - 2006.11.13 04:48:00 -
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If you closed because of some people's negativity, i'm glad.
It's pathetic if you find a couple people annoying. Live with it.
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