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Skeln Thargensen
katana spelunking trips
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Posted - 2015.09.18 11:55:31 -
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i'm looking at a 2000 day chart from eve central and it is looking a little bubbly right now.
i doubt the price will pull back much if it does crash though. too many starved microempires out there.
forums. -áserious business.
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
245
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:09:00 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:I'm sure CCP is losing all kinds of sleep over freeloaders threatening to quit. It's like threatening to stop pirating cable if the cable company doesn't lower their prices.
WTF do you whiners honestly expect CCP to do? They're not going to put a hard cap on what people can charge. If they lowered the IRL price of PLEX, there is no guarantee people buying PLEX from CCP would sell them any cheaper. If PLEX are selling reasonably fast for 1.2B, there's no reason for sellers to lower the price. You seem to forget that us freeloaders are part of the content they provide to their paying customers. You make it sound like you're doing CCP a favor lol. You didn't answer the question...what do you want them to do about it? I haven't whined about it since I'm still plexing my accounts fairly comfortably - therefore your question wasn't directed at me. I'm just pointing out how stupid your particular rubbishing of free players was without them just how much quieter would the game be?
How much quieter would the game be...I don't know and don't care. How many of those people even interact with other players? This thread boils to people complaining about the price of a fake item bought with fake money...it doesn't get much more first world problems than that. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1279
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:11:34 -
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a titan should cost 200 eur max, therefore i predict plex at 10b within 5 years
YouTube - Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
889
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:31:25 -
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Harry Forever wrote:a titan should cost 200 eur max, therefore i predict plex at 10b within 5 years
Doing some google math converting Euro to US$ then dividing the total cost with the cost of plex then multiplying it with the cost of plex ingame yields: 14,342,899,834.9. So you want a titan to cost as much as a super-carrier hull?
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Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
635
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Posted - 2015.09.18 16:02:39 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Harry Forever wrote:a titan should cost 200 eur max, therefore i predict plex at 10b within 5 years Doing some google math converting Euro to US$ then dividing the total cost with the cost of plex then multiplying it with the cost of plex ingame yields: 14,342,899,834.9. So you want a titan to cost as much as a super-carrier hull?
Interesting math you got there. |
Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
88
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:01:09 -
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Have the Marxists got us a 5 year plan yet? |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9666
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Posted - 2015.09.18 18:35:58 -
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Harry Forever wrote:a titan should cost 200 eur max, therefore i predict plex at 10b within 5 years Or 0B in 2 years.
CCP could just liqidate all PLEX and convert all of it to Aurum. Aurum would then became a sellable item, more granular.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
89
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:16:09 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Harry Forever wrote:a titan should cost 200 eur max, therefore i predict plex at 10b within 5 years Or 0B in 2 years. CCP could just liqidate all PLEX and convert all of it to Aurum. Aurum would then became a sellable item, more granular.
That's not a bad idea really. Assuming equivalent pricing a more divisible currency would be more flexible. It would also see more speculation though as the price to participate in said speculation would drop. I like it. |
Circumstantial Evidence
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:31:47 -
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Supply has slowly increased over the last 12h, but not at the prices we might like, lol. Again, the important thing for CCP, if they are intervening in supply at all, is to calm the rate of increase.
I think a few rich players (all these 25-lots) are hoping for another run-up, to cash out on the high end. (But they could have been listed for sale some time ago, I wasn't looking for these types of numbers in previous posts.)
The 36-lot at the "low" end is the largest lot on the low side, which kind of puts a temporary "floor" on things, for as long as it stays un-edited and other players say "no, I can sell cheaper than that." Only looking at the large lots. There are a bunch of 9-lots lower than this, an easy number to type that might also be a small number of players ;)
Numbers from eve-central:
1,600,000,000.00 - 25 1,500,000,000.00 - 25 1,499,999,999.00 - 20 1,400,000,000.00 - 25 1,380,000,000.00 - 25 1,370,000,000.00 - 25 1,365,000,000.00 - 25 1,329,598,999.00 - 22 1,318,999,999.99 - 36
Interesting Buy order: 1,256,007,000.00 - 100 Wow. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9668
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:56:16 -
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Its hard to say where these prices would be in a month. Days of predictability are over. Something snapped.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
589
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:57:40 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Its hard to say where these prices would be in a month. Days of predictability are over. Something snapped.
Lots of old rich players were are going to leave the game anyways decided to take their isk and ruin it for everyone?
I don't know. That is what I am doing. Before I go I am buying a few hundred billion isk of Plex to keep it off the market, then unsub all of my accounts.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2015.09.18 20:09:08 -
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So what page will this thread be on when it gets to 1.5Bil? My guess is 25. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
589
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Posted - 2015.09.18 20:31:17 -
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Odie McCracken wrote:So what page will this thread be on when it gets to 1.5Bil? My guess is 25.
Don't be so sure... watch the price as we type. Someone is getting out early
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Tank Murdock Jnr
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.09.18 20:32:32 -
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Odie McCracken wrote:So what page will this thread be on when it gets to 1.5Bil? My guess is 25.
Well, I'm reliably informed that lots of old rich players are leaving with the intention of ruining it for everyone. So, page 22.
When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading 'Guns and Ammo', masturbating in your own faeces, do you just stop and go, 'Wow! It is amazing how f*cking crazy I really am!'?
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
589
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Posted - 2015.09.18 20:46:26 -
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Tank Murdock Jnr wrote:Odie McCracken wrote:So what page will this thread be on when it gets to 1.5Bil? My guess is 25. Well, I'm reliably informed that lots of old rich players are leaving with the intention of ruining it for everyone. So, page 22.
When the garbage is cleaned up, does it not get better?
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
589
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Posted - 2015.09.18 20:49:53 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Tank Murdock Jnr wrote:Odie McCracken wrote:So what page will this thread be on when it gets to 1.5Bil? My guess is 25. Well, I'm reliably informed that lots of old rich players are leaving with the intention of ruining it for everyone. So, page 22. When the garbage is cleaned up, does it not get better?
No, the lights get turned off.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
589
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Posted - 2015.09.18 21:01:09 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
No, the lights get turned off.
That is only if new players dont come in their place. Let the old vets leave. Those of us with a more community game mentality will build a better gameplay environment that is actually inclusive... If CCP is in this for the future still.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
137
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Posted - 2015.09.18 23:17:05 -
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If the current activity is caused by players exiting the market (leaving the game is exiting the market, even if the assets are locked in their accounts) then it should only be tempory.
Oh and one more thing, posts from interested parties to a forum used by a minority of players is not a good indication of what the player base thinks. It is so far away from anything resembling a survey that those treating it as such are bad and should feel bad. |
Geanos
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.09.18 23:41:21 -
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Tbh, cheap ISK creates a bigger problem than the PLEX price. It kills the "shakes" and it kills the ability to inflict meaningful losses to your opponents, both the trademarks of EVE for a long time. Kills of 1 or 2 billion ISK are not even being look at a second time, supercarrier kills are like "yeah, nice, let's move on" and losing a faction / T3 fleet is not worth the effort of lifting an eyebrow, all because we know they are easily replaced.
This hurts EVE more than the PLEX prices. Cheap ISK makes the game boring. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
315
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Posted - 2015.09.19 00:13:25 -
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Circumstantial Evidence wrote:Supply has slowly increased over the last 12h, but not at the prices we might like, lol. Again, the important thing for CCP, if they are intervening in supply at all, is to calm the rate of increase.
I think a few rich players (all these 25-lots) are hoping for another run-up, to cash out on the high end. (But they could have been listed for sale some time ago, I wasn't looking for these types of numbers in previous posts.)
The 36-lot at the "low" end is the largest lot on the low side, which kind of puts a temporary "floor" on things, for as long as it stays un-edited and other players say "no, I can sell cheaper than that." Only looking at the large lots. There are a bunch of 9-lots lower than this, an easy number to type that might also be a small number of players ;)
Numbers from eve-central:
1,600,000,000.00 - 25 1,500,000,000.00 - 25 1,499,999,999.00 - 20 1,400,000,000.00 - 25 1,380,000,000.00 - 25 1,370,000,000.00 - 25 1,365,000,000.00 - 25 1,329,598,999.00 - 22 1,318,999,999.99 - 36
Interesting Buy order: 1,256,007,000.00 - 100 Wow.
Whoever the 100 unit buy order belongs to is going to lose lots of isk. I'm thinking that lots of folk would have off loaded their plex to that 100 buy order and exited plex trading. Circumstantial, is that buy order still at 100?
The people you mention trying to cash out will have a hard time doing so, we have seen a few posts saying that plexing multiple accounts has become hard and not worth the effort. admittedly I don't know the extent of how many guys have cancelled their extra accounts my gut tells me it is a handful. I have come to the conclusion that there won't be as much plex sales as there were.
I've said this before but there seems to be more plex on the market since my last post, Is business for CCP really good, or is it really plex traders cashing out.
Since there seems to be no plex traders contributing to this convo it's hard to know for sure. I guess all traders can really do is speculate just like what I am doing, It is important analyse everything related to a product you're trading, I think that buy order for 100 belongs to Salvos or Tippia, they don't realise they are about to fail.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
89
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Posted - 2015.09.19 00:51:59 -
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Geanos wrote:Cheap ISK makes the game boring.
Incidentally, it also drives the price of PLEX since that's one of the few ways one can safely invest all that lumpen isk. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2478
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Posted - 2015.09.19 01:16:23 -
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Geanos wrote:Tbh, cheap ISK creates a bigger problem than the PLEX price. It kills the "shakes" and it kills the ability to inflict meaningful losses to your opponents, both the trademarks of EVE for a long time. Kills of 1 or 2 billion ISK are not even being look at a second time, supercarrier kills are like "yeah, nice, let's move on" and losing a faction / T3 fleet is not worth the effort of lifting an eyebrow, all because we know they are easily replaced.
This hurts EVE more than the PLEX prices. Cheap ISK makes the game boring. Except it's only 'easy to replace' for the monolithic null entities that are full of vets. Everyone else gets crippled by those loses. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9671
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Posted - 2015.09.19 01:32:37 -
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Its when you have a game of vets with years of neglecting the "jesus" features and trying to be relevant on ps3, or other platforms and not your key clients. Now you get the term bittervet. Its essence is in that cheap ISK flooding the market.
Its our end game. Chinese got it few times earlier already. Their Vets are aquiring their status really fast, same as ISK.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Candy Box
One Night Standings
27
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Posted - 2015.09.19 01:46:41 -
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I just suspended our sevice to Eve pilots wishing to boost their standings. We have done nearly 200 boosts for people in the last year. But I don't have the staff anymore. Plex and the general feeling Eve is headed in the wrong direction has left me without mission runners in our organization. Also our client pool is drying up because there is generally less people in the game now and little influx of new players.
TL:DR = Plex manipulators won. ONS losses out. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
892
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Posted - 2015.09.19 02:06:55 -
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Candy Box wrote:I just suspended our sevice to Eve pilots wishing to boost their standings. We have done nearly 200 boosts for people in the last year. But I don't have the staff anymore. Plex and the general feeling Eve is headed in the wrong direction has left me without mission runners in our organization. Also our client pool is drying up because there is generally less people in the game now and little influx of new players.
TL:DR = Plex manipulators won. ONS losses out.
Isn't it because more people are actually going to null with the anom buffs?
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
137
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Posted - 2015.09.19 02:54:06 -
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For all the doom and gloom happening here, it is interesting that when you start to trawl through the market data (thank you CCP for the CREST API) the volume of plex being traded seems to be largely unaffected by the price.
The extreme changes in PLEX price is totally unrelated to volume.
I think a few times in this thread people have always mentioned how real money activity for PLEX is mostly unaffected by in game activity. |
Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
89
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Posted - 2015.09.19 03:21:28 -
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Aoife Fraoch wrote:For all the doom and gloom happening here, it is interesting that when you start to trawl through the market data (thank you CCP for the CREST API) the volume of plex being traded seems to be largely unaffected by the price.
The extreme changes in PLEX price is totally unrelated to volume.
I think a few times in this thread people have always mentioned how real money activity for PLEX is mostly unaffected by in game activity.
The price of a desirable good going up tends to get the economically deficient into a frenzy. |
Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
609
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Posted - 2015.09.19 03:28:22 -
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Sorry guys, looks like you're going to have to take a shower and go get a job. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
315
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Posted - 2015.09.19 03:51:34 -
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Candy Box wrote:I just suspended our sevice to Eve pilots wishing to boost their standings. We have done nearly 200 boosts for people in the last year. But I don't have the staff anymore. Plex and the general feeling Eve is headed in the wrong direction has left me without mission runners in our organization. Also our client pool is drying up because there is generally less people in the game now and little influx of new players.
TL:DR = Plex manipulators won. ONS losses out.
Another group of people affected by plex price. Tippia, Salvos have you read this post and understood it? This Ceo has obviously asked his corp members why they are leaving the game and they have told him it is partly to do with plex price. This is key information for CCP and plex traders to work off of.
So, now we have 1 less corp in Eve, this one helped players boost standings which is honorable.
Based on the RL plex price being -ú16.99 in the UK and the isk plex price being 1.3b, -ú1.00 seems to be worth approx 76m. If the RL plex price was -ú9.99 we could see an isk plex price of 760m. So people who buy plex for RL cash will still get a good deal and because players would be in a better position to plex more than 1 account we would see more plex sales in game, and obviously more RL plex sales for CCP. The only thing that will change is the monthly grind for plex users won't be so hard.
Honestly, the plex traders are just trying to get some value for the RL cash they spent because it is expensive compared to the sub cost. My solution above will get plex users back in the game and boost the economy, we could have the 5 account miner back flooding the market with minerals making everything nice and cheap, more players in game means more to shoot at, and CCP will solidify their existing customer base and give new players who want to play an easier goal to achieve for affording plex.
We can't continue to ignore posts like the one I quoted and pretend there's nothing wrong, CCP must act before it is too late.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
89
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Posted - 2015.09.19 03:55:15 -
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Aaron, I'm surprised you haven't suggested the obvious solution of forcing every player to submit a tax return so that CCP can charge only those able to pay. This really is the only "fair," way of doing things. Surely a good socialist would support this instead of that craven-quasi-capitalist stuff you mentioned in the other thread? |
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