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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
32169
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Posted - 2015.10.08 21:29:01 -
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this change is the gift that keeps on giving
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
691
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Posted - 2015.10.08 21:35:33 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:[ CCP has the ability to change their decision on stuff. Especially on things that are a new and unintended consequences of other changes. While it isn't skirting the rules of concord it seems kinda close. It was within the letter of the law, but maybe not the spirit. I have trouble believing that people didn't think this would get patched out at some point.
And sometimes is needed.
AOE Cyno doomsdays... anybody?
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2324
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Posted - 2015.10.08 21:36:07 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Before your head explodes from trying to think, I'll give you a hint to the simplest solution, each account has three slots.
I understand that it is more work but if you are working in a system that see a lot of traffic, couldn't you just alternate which gate you gank on to never do it on one where concord is spawned? Moving your scout to the other side and all that is of course some more effort but still leaves your other character slots free for other stuff. Is there really a need to pull concord away if you just gank on another gate? |
Paranoid Loyd
7151
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Posted - 2015.10.08 21:36:52 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:How can anyone NOT see hyperdunking as an exploit?
Because it is literally on the list of "NOT exploits." That's how. CCP has the ability to change their decision on stuff. Especially on things that are a new and unintended consequences of other changes. While it isn't skirting the rules of concord it seems kinda close. It was within the letter of the law, but maybe not the spirit. I have trouble believing that people didn't think this would get patched out at some point. I don't disagree with you, however that list was literally posted yesterday. Regardless if you agree or disagree with the change, that was a dumb thing to do.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14673
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Posted - 2015.10.08 21:38:36 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote: CCP has the ability to change their decision on stuff.
Then why is that page still the same, listing it as not an exploit(posted freaking yesterday, of all things)? Why make a GD sticky saying "Hyperdunking is A-okay"?
It's not like it isn't obvious that they flip flopped for carebear tears, they've consistently done nothing but that for years. I'd just like to see them be honest for once and admit it, that's all.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Paranoid Loyd
7151
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Posted - 2015.10.08 21:44:45 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Before your head explodes from trying to think, I'll give you a hint to the simplest solution, each account has three slots. I understand that it is more work but if you are working in a system that see a lot of traffic, couldn't you just alternate which gate you gank on to never do it on one where concord is spawned? Moving your scout to the other side and all that is of course some more effort but still leaves your other character slots free for other stuff. Is there really a need to pull concord away if you just gank on another gate? The reason I do what I do is because other gankers don't clean up after themselves. If I was the only one around it would not be an issue at all.
There is nothing stopping me from just undocking at the station to pull. (unless there is a Concord spawn there already) I am just a creature of habit and pulling them right by the gate everytime guarantees I can keep my eye on their location as well as have an idea of how many spawns are around. Additionally if people get butthurt and start purposely pulling concord it is easier for me to manipulate things back the way I want them when they are done wasting their time.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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ThisandThat Whatever
Edge of Forever
1
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Posted - 2015.10.08 21:50:26 -
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K, so this might mean that goon Carebears will have a harder time maintaining the ore monopoly. Big deal.
Now, seriously, it might not be so bad as it looks like.
A new, exciting challenge draws ahead, inviting for more gank fun and can flips like never before. Think of gankers uniting even more for the common cause of cleaning up space from all that debris! Even more massive gank fleets, coordinated to perfection in a mission to blow up all those Carebears! Mega Carebear fleets will suck highsec belts dry in seconds, Ores/minerals will be plentiful in high sec hubs, prices will go down, so will ship and mod prices; more, cheaper stuff to gank with! Your plex will buy moar ships, so even if the prices drop, you still get a bang for the buck! Seeing more Carebear highsec mining ops means more chances to gank! New, exciting gank techniques will have to be developed to exploit blinks! If Carebear jetcan miners blink, flip all the cans and have a hauler alt ready to scoop all the things! Solo high sec Carebear miners will have to roam about some more looking for rocks to shoot, and systems that are usually empty might see some heads peeking in. Good for gankers that get sick of rounding the same 2-3 systems over and over, have some fresh air, look at planets with rings, visit some monuments, etc. High sec Carebear retention will be somewhat higher, meaning more cans to flip; ships being cheaper and more players added, newbs will be more willing to be less risk averse and get their nubfit BC to get blapped when their cans get flipped, and since it wont hurt as much $$$ wise, they might even have some fun getting swatted and leave more cans out as bait!
All that stuff.
This is also nice for ya'll extreme pvpers that have a secret Carebear account in that Carebear mining corp. More opportunities while knowing all the other gankers, 100% safety.
So why all the qq? If you don't like the concept, stop being a Carebear ganker and move to Nullsec. Lots of room and good fights for you there, and plenty of space garbage for your Carebear alt to shoot mining lazors at..
Incoming! |
Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
110
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Posted - 2015.10.08 21:54:53 -
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I expect a full effort lobbying blitz by gankers to get this plan reversed/not implemented. Interesting to see who "wins", as it may show their relative influence with CCP compared to others. There should also be one heck of an interesting Dev blog coming up.
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To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.
...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
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Nighthawk The Assassin
Divine Intervention of The Dark Angels Parental Supervision.
1
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Posted - 2015.10.08 21:56:29 -
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omg the tears from griefers in this thread
is so
very
filling
yup
i cant eat
another drop
i am so full off the tears
HOW DARE CCP SUPPORT THE REAL PLAYER BASE!!!!!!
It's a company u jackass, a business, they don't care what u think
subs go down
they fix it
cry harder |
Paranoid Loyd
7151
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:05:09 -
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Aoife Fraoch wrote:Hyper dunking couldn't have accounted for that large a percentage of ganks? I am probably a little more interested in what other unintended effects this leads to. I used to be able to pull multiple spawns off a gate within the same criminal timer with some strategic bm placement. (they don't ever move unless dispatched to another area) You won't be able to do this anymore, so if a gate is left dirty after a freighter gank, you won't be able to clear it without wasting multiple criminal timers.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1207
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:07:31 -
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Nighthawk The Assassin wrote:omg the tears from griefers in this thread
is so
very
filling
yup
i cant eat
another drop
i am so full off the tears
HOW DARE CCP SUPPORT THE REAL PLAYER BASE!!!!!!
It's a company u jackass, a business, they don't care what u think
subs go down
they fix it
cry harder You forget the amount of the "real" eve player subscription cash CCP threw down the pan banking on life after their core business model Eve ergo dust and vampires.
CCP were looking after the real playerbase then just as they are now. (no sarcasm)
Concord Approved Trader
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Nighthawk The Assassin
Divine Intervention of The Dark Angels Parental Supervision.
2
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:08:56 -
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lol u think they give a crap what half these threads say?
It's a business, they loose money, they fix the issue. High sec is a joke and null is crap
period |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1207
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:15:12 -
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Nighthawk The Assassin wrote:lol u think they give a crap what half these threads say?
It's a business, they loose money, they fix the issue. High sec is a joke and null is crap
period You sound real smart, maybe CCP are hiring?
Concord Approved Trader
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1642
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:15:12 -
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Nighthawk The Assassin wrote:lol u think they give a crap what half these threads say?
It's a business, they loose money, they fix the issue. High sec is a joke and null is crap
period It seams you are a bit too excited about this. May I ask if this is because of a recent antimatter incident? Maybe you should just calm down and purchase a mining permit.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14678
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:16:55 -
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Nighthawk The Assassin wrote: HOW DARE CCP SUPPORT THE REAL PLAYER BASE!!!!!!
You say that like you think you count as real players.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Nighthawk The Assassin
Divine Intervention of The Dark Angels Parental Supervision.
2
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:19:03 -
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Love the insults
I don't undock, much to busy irl to play eve, i just train.
Loving the rage in this thread.
Funny tho cause u know what all of u will do about this?
Nothing, no quits, no unsubs, nothing
Just posturing and when CCP see no sub drop because of an anti PvP nerf.
MOAR COMING bro
hehe
power to the people! |
Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:19:25 -
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posting in both a "grr code" and a "code grr" thread... weeeee... |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14678
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:20:20 -
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Nighthawk The Assassin wrote: I don't undock, much to busy irl to play eve, i just train.
I like how someone who admits that they don't even play the game thinks their opinion matters.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1208
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:30:01 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nighthawk The Assassin wrote: I don't undock, much to busy irl to play eve, i just train.
I like how someone who admits that they don't even play the game thinks their opinion matters. I concur. Next he'll claim he is a troll or something. Against forum rules ofc but with his bad grammer and new age emo reddit'esque behaviour the evidence is there for all to see.
Concord Approved Trader
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14678
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:32:49 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nighthawk The Assassin wrote: I don't undock, much to busy irl to play eve, i just train.
I like how someone who admits that they don't even play the game thinks their opinion matters. I concur. Next he'll claim he is a troll or something. Against forum rules ofc but with his bad grammer and new age emo reddit'esque behaviour the evidence is there for all to see.
Notice the corp name. He's a Divine Entervention alt.
And yeah, the anti ganking channel actually put out the call a little while ago to go downvote any pro content posting on the reddit thread. Nevermind that it's against the reddit rules, of course. But then, anti ganking gets away with death threats and other violations of the EULA in EVE all the time, why should it be any different on reddit?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1623
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:36:37 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote: CCP has the ability to change their decision on stuff.
Then why is that page still the same, listing it as not an exploit(posted freaking yesterday, of all things)? Why make a GD sticky saying "Hyperdunking is A-okay"? It's not like it isn't obvious that they flip flopped for carebear tears, they've consistently done nothing but that for years. I'd just like to see them be honest for once and admit it, that's all. Realistically it is still not an exploit, and will continue to not be until such time as the change hits TQ (at which point it's mechanically impossible and the discussion becomes moot). All this could mean is that hyper-dunking was undesirable from the start, but not worth policing as a proper mechanical "fix" could and would soon be created.
It's very much possible there was no internal flip flop, just typical partial communication over a goal that CCP remained consistent to internally. Or not. We don't really know. |
Globby
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
254
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:37:15 -
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ccp im okay with this, i'll just have to gank freighters twice as hard as normal to make up for it. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
1669
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:42:16 -
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The vast majority of players are in high sec.
New subs are also mainly in high sec.
CCP is not gaining subs.
Shouldn't be hard to figure out.
GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
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Globby
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
254
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:43:21 -
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it would be cool if highsec was more player versus player instead of player versus developer |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1623
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:47:39 -
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Globby wrote:it would be cool if highsec was more player versus player instead of player versus developer I would imagine it's hard to find a sweet spot for balance in mechanics when people keep looking for any potential weakness in any system you create.
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Globby
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
256
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:47:44 -
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pm me salty things to say, i'm running out |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1210
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Posted - 2015.10.08 23:00:59 -
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Zifrian wrote:The vast majority of players are in high sec.
New subs are also mainly in high sec.
CCP is not gaining subs.
Shouldn't be hard to figure out. In your ultimate wisdom care to tell us why CCP aren't gaining subs at the rate they are losing them?
Shouldn't be hard to figure out.
Concord Approved Trader
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
957
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Posted - 2015.10.08 23:03:58 -
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Ah all the wise posters in this thread I see with their but hurt amplified....I have all but one coment.....
It's about my popcorns,sweet sweet popcorns I love em salty and warm....just like tears. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14683
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Posted - 2015.10.08 23:06:36 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Zifrian wrote:The vast majority of players are in high sec.
New subs are also mainly in high sec.
CCP is not gaining subs.
Shouldn't be hard to figure out. In your ultimate wisdom care to tell us why CCP aren't gaining subs at the rate they are losing them? Shouldn't be hard to figure out.
It's almost like people join this game for the conflict that is the hallmark of the game, and has been advertised for the past decade as a pillar of the game.
And then they spawn in highsec, which is bloated with safety, stifling rulesets and banal content, and get told to run missions for six months by the toxic NPC corp perma members. And they get bored and quit.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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ThisandThat Whatever
Edge of Forever
1
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Posted - 2015.10.08 23:06:48 -
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Buoytender Bob wrote:I expect a full effort lobbying blitz by gankers to get this plan reversed/not implemented. Interesting to see who "wins", as it may show their relative influence with CCP compared to others. There should also be one heck of an interesting Dev blog coming up.
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Does that mean that gankers will quit? Can i haz your stuff?
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