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BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:11:00 -
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http://video.msnbc.msn.com/in-game/45661741/#45661741
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Beaches
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:14:00 -
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MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. |
Myxx
Atropos Group Blood Right
165
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:20:00 -
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Shhh, let them think they're important. Don't tell them about EVE. They'd try to have it shut down in a heartbeat. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:21:00 -
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Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down.
Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you.
In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
184
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:24:00 -
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We'd just launch a massive campaign on their asses. Bring down MSNBC! quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Beaches
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:30:00 -
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Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it.
The liberals I'm talking about wouldn't like the 'harsh world' or 'player-driven economy' parts or the minmatar for that matter, never ending list.
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Baraka Saibot
Wobbling Frog Inc
8
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:31:00 -
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Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down.
American politics confuses me. |
Selinate
158
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:33:00 -
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Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're a CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it.
FYP |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:38:00 -
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Nice try, 4/10. Almost a 6/10, but I caught you early before the bridge tolls could be collected.
It took eve 7-8 years to do what these guys did in less than 2. MOTHERFUCK yourself. Knee arrows and crazy chick > Space dolls.
Give me your candy plz. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective
20
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:48:00 -
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Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it.
Do you know how I know your European?
Because you fail to understand the difference between today's statist, victimhood, life owes me a living 'liberals' and yesterdays more libertarian bent true liberal that was in favour of everything pretty much as long as it didn't hurt anyone else.
In America when they mention the word 'liberal' they are talking about the former NOT the latter as you seem to refer them to. Read up and keep up and you will be able to determine these nuances yourself and not embarass yourself in public with gross stereotyping a nation of 320 million people purely because of your arrongance on the subject.
Riedle |
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First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:51:00 -
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Riedle wrote:Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it. Do you know how I know your European? Because you fail to understand the difference between today's statist, victimhood, life owes me a living 'liberals' and yesterdays more libertarian bent true liberal that was in favour of everything pretty much as long as it didn't hurt anyone else. In America when they mention the word 'liberal' they are talking about the former NOT the latter as you seem to refer them to. Read up and keep up and you will be able to determine these nuances yourself and not embarass yourself in public with gross stereotyping a nation of 320 million people purely because of your arrongance on the subject. Riedle
Disappoint, son. I almost had a 1 post forum pwntage going on, but **** yourself, that's life. Any who, I have more likes than U, so give me your candy. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective
22
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:56:00 -
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First Lieutenant Dan wrote:Riedle wrote:Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it. Do you know how I know your European? Because you fail to understand the difference between today's statist, victimhood, life owes me a living 'liberals' and yesterdays more libertarian bent true liberal that was in favour of everything pretty much as long as it didn't hurt anyone else. In America when they mention the word 'liberal' they are talking about the former NOT the latter as you seem to refer them to. Read up and keep up and you will be able to determine these nuances yourself and not embarass yourself in public with gross stereotyping a nation of 320 million people purely because of your arrongance on the subject. Riedle Disappoint, son. I almost had a 1 post forum pwntage going on, but **** yourself, that's life. Any who, I have more likes than U, so give me your candy.
Hey, if I wanted any lip from you I'd rattle my zipper
Amateur hour was over 2 hours ago, you will have to come back again tomorrow. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
297
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:57:00 -
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"liberal idiots".
I am not a "liberal" by any stretch (I'm conservative anarchist like Nock and Tolkien thanks for asking) but I can see the conservatives idiots coming up with the same number of reasons to ban the as the "other side" which in the end is merely two sides pretending to be against each other while American sheeple continue to get fooled and elect the same bankster puppets over and over again (and then stupidly wonder why the country is falling apart if they are even capable of thinking about anything).
Quote:Hey, if I wanted any lip from you I'd rattle my zipper
I'm stealing that. |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:00:00 -
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He stole it from nutty professor. >_> Bastard. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
448
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:04:00 -
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Beaches wrote:Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it. The liberals I'm talking about wouldn't like the 'harsh world' or 'player-driven economy' parts or the minmatar for that matter, never ending list.
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mkint
455
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:06:00 -
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+1 for focusing on art instead of graphics -1 for focusing on cutscenes and trailers rather than gameplay
Has CCP really done anything about it's art in the past few years? All I'm seeing is graphics. |
Azitek
Astrum Tech Pina Colada Armada
9
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:08:00 -
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When they were looking at eve, they must have only checked an incursion system. |
Lili Lu
57
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:10:00 -
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Riedle wrote:First Lieutenant Dan wrote:Riedle wrote:Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it. Do you know how I know your European? Because you fail to understand the difference between today's statist, victimhood, life owes me a living 'liberals' and yesterdays more libertarian bent true liberal that was in favour of everything pretty much as long as it didn't hurt anyone else. In America when they mention the word 'liberal' they are talking about the former NOT the latter as you seem to refer them to. Read up and keep up and you will be able to determine these nuances yourself and not embarass yourself in public with gross stereotyping a nation of 320 million people purely because of your arrongance on the subject. Riedle Disappoint, son. I almost had a 1 post forum pwntage going on, but **** yourself, that's life. Any who, I have more likes than U, so give me your candy. Hey, if I wanted any lip from you I'd rattle my zipper Amateur hour was over 2 hours ago, you will have to come back again tomorrow. I think the only one embarassing himself "in public" is you. You for your last juvenile smack post, and both you and Beaches for importing your real world political view onto this game and this thread in the first place. Sure, MSNBC leans left. However the first cable news station to lean was Rupert's Faux News and it leaned right.
Neither side of the political spectrum has anything to do with a stupid mass market game award, whether it be broadcast on a left or right leaning station. The politics of the station is simply not relevant. The award is not a political award. It could just as easily have been broadcast on Fox. Now, the award could be seen as stupid or unimaginative. But those qualities have adherents of all political persuasions and none. |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:16:00 -
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Now that I'm am now off-topic, I could not find the quote, as youtube only has the new (), boring, Eddie Murphy, nutty professor =/. I will let you off the hook. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
601
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:22:00 -
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For all you non americans there are 5 political flavors to be found and a mix of each.
1 Extreme Conservatives - These mostly made up americans are the imagination of most liberals as people who would like to keep things like they where in 1800s. Liberals often label them as Rascist bigots and rich money bags and just more recently labeled them as domestic terrorists.
2 Conservatives - People who generally dont like idea of suffering at the expense of less deserving people. Would rather make everyone work for what they earn. They also know that mankind will never learn its 'lesson' and always prepare for the time it fails its lesson in a very horrible manner, also recently labeled as domestic terrorist.
3 IDGFs - Or independents that lost all faith in the government. Doesnt belive in its policies and definetly cant rely on it to solve thier own problems.
4 Liberals - People who belive mankind needs to learn its lesson and has a chance that could do so and belive in equality however knowing that not everyone is onboard for this they force this idea onto others via taxes and programs.
5 Extreme Liberals - People who belive in what liberals do to the point that they weave this intricate fantasy of world peace thats unshatterable up and beyond the point of getting killed by the very people that cannot share thier vision.
And according to last breakdown from a liberal college in california. 10% in catagory 5 10% in catagory 4.5-4 20% in catagory 2 15% in catagory 1.5-2 5% in catagory 1 and 40% in IDGFs
To note MSNBC is a catagory 5 channel and should not be taken seriously Fox is 1-3 CNN is 3-2 ABC is oddly 3-2 they used to be 2 solely AP is very much a 3.
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Lili Lu
58
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:31:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:For all you non americans there are 5 political flavors to be found and a mix of each.
1 Extreme Conservatives - These mostly made up americans are the imagination of most liberals as people who would like to keep things like they where in 1800s. Liberals often label them as Rascist bigots and rich money bags and just more recently labeled them as domestic terrorists.
2 Conservatives - People who generally dont like idea of suffering at the expense of less deserving people. Would rather make everyone work for what they earn. They also know that mankind will never learn its 'lesson' and always prepare for the time it fails its lesson in a very horrible manner, also recently labeled as domestic terrorist.
3 IDGFs - Or independents that lost all faith in the government. Doesnt belive in its policies and definetly cant rely on it to solve thier own problems.
4 Liberals - People who belive mankind needs to learn its lesson and has a chance that could do so and belive in equality however knowing that not everyone is onboard for this they force this idea onto others via taxes and programs.
5 Extreme Liberals - People who belive in what liberals do to the point that they weave this intricate fantasy of world peace thats unshatterable up and beyond the point of getting killed by the very people that cannot share thier vision.
And according to last breakdown from a liberal college in california. 10% in catagory 5 10% in catagory 4.5-4 20% in catagory 2 15% in catagory 1.5-2 5% in catagory 1 and 40% in IDGFs Waiting for this attempted scholarly and insincerely "unbiased" post to be deleted by the forum mods, along with most of the posts in this thread (including this one) |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:33:00 -
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You guys must have really nice looking wives that agree with you. |
Beaches
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:33:00 -
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Also, conservatives can be libertarians or a mix. See: Ron Paul
Liberals hate 'liberty' as it were and believe that liberty is a threat to government which is there to make sure people eat, speak and behave properly see: "1984" George Orwell. |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:39:00 -
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Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:You should go contribute to make America a better place by playing an American game then? Supporting Icelandic jobs ( Not conservative nation LAWL ) is not the best way to express your conservative views. |
Lili Lu
58
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:41:00 -
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Beaches wrote:Also, conservatives can be libertarians or a mix. See: Ron Paul Liberals hate 'liberty' as it were and believe that liberty is a threat to government which is there to make sure people eat, speak and behave properly see: "1984" George Orwell. You know, I don't see crusading leftists on these forums. Why do we see so many crusading right wingers like you? Please, spout this **** somewhere else.
The OP was about some dweeb's nominations for art awards in video games. Have you addressed anything about the OP link other than where it came from? No. Why not?
Actually, the video and the clips it showed was rather well done. However, it is easy to just look at what was on the market and had mass appeal and then present those for an art award. Eve may some day gain recognition from some program like this. Whether that would be a good thing is debateable. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
298
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:42:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:For all you non americans there are 5 political flavors to be found and a mix of each.
1 Extreme Conservatives - These mostly made up americans are the imagination of most liberals as people who would like to keep things like they where in 1800s. Liberals often label them as Rascist bigots and rich money bags and just more recently labeled them as domestic terrorists.
2 Conservatives - People who generally dont like idea of suffering at the expense of less deserving people. Would rather make everyone work for what they earn. They also know that mankind will never learn its 'lesson' and always prepare for the time it fails its lesson in a very horrible manner, also recently labeled as domestic terrorist.
3 IDGFs - Or independents that lost all faith in the government. Doesnt belive in its policies and definetly cant rely on it to solve thier own problems.
4 Liberals - People who belive mankind needs to learn its lesson and has a chance that could do so and belive in equality however knowing that not everyone is onboard for this they force this idea onto others via taxes and programs.
5 Extreme Liberals - People who belive in what liberals do to the point that they weave this intricate fantasy of world peace thats unshatterable up and beyond the point of getting killed by the very people that cannot share thier vision.
And according to last breakdown from a liberal college in california. 10% in catagory 5 10% in catagory 4.5-4 20% in catagory 2 15% in catagory 1.5-2 5% in catagory 1 and 40% in IDGFs
In reality, most americans unless previewed as total idiots do not sterotypically fall entirely in any of the catagories. Expect most to be a mix between 2-4 leaning to any of the three catagories between.
To note MSNBC is a catagory 5 channel and should not be taken seriously Fox is 1-3 be careful they like to jump the gun on this channel. CNN is 3-2 they at least do some homework. ABC is oddly 3-2 they used to be 2 solely is probably the most american news channel there is. AP is very much a 3 and it should be high on the consideration list. BBC is a mixed bag depending on the topics. Sadder still to get more american news (as in different stories) out of BBC news than all the other american channels.
What would you say of "Russia Today" news or "RT" as it's called? Just curious where it fits in your chart - and it's not bad BTW.
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Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:43:00 -
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Riedle wrote:Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it. Do you know how I know your European? Because you fail to understand the difference between today's statist, victimhood, life owes me a living 'liberals' and yesterdays more libertarian bent true liberal that was in favour of everything pretty much as long as it didn't hurt anyone else. In America when they mention the word 'liberal' they are talking about the former NOT the latter as you seem to refer them to. Read up and keep up and you will be able to determine these nuances yourself and not embarass yourself in public with gross stereotyping a nation of 320 million people purely because of your arrongance on the subject. Riedle
Without getting into a pissing match, my second statement alluded to the majority of your whole post regarding the difference between "Liberals" and liberal views. Before you shout "go read!1!" at people, perhaps you might want to follow your own advice :)
Although your'e right to call me on the sweeping generalisation.
It does feel as my post touched a nerve though. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
572
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:46:00 -
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lol. American politics and media. |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:47:00 -
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This thread is boring. I'm leaving. GJ. |
robbyx
Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League
0
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:48:00 -
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Sooo, back on topic...the award was for best art direction...EVE most certainly cannot compete, nor should it try. |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
604
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:54:00 -
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Sorry if the previous post is a generalization, I mean it is generalization, there should also be a catagory A, aka 'other' the ones that share other view points thats not on the red to blue political spectrograph in america.
This generalization is to the point that you can almost bring up every possible political platform and segerate it and catagorize it into the five available.
Liberals mostly think that Coservatives and Conservative Extremist are one and the same. The same can be said from the flip side.
If you do want my bias however, Extreme Liberals only plan for human extinction. At least the conservatives are trying to figure a way to 'conserve' the species.
As for art direction
I dont think eve would win any US awards, Euro definetly though.
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Selinate
159
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:55:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Beaches wrote:Also, conservatives can be libertarians or a mix. See: Ron Paul Liberals hate 'liberty' as it were and believe that liberty is a threat to government which is there to make sure people eat, speak and behave properly see: "1984" George Orwell. You know, I don't see crusading leftists on these forums. Why do we see so many crusading right wingers like you? Please, spout this **** somewhere else. The OP was about some dweeb's nominations for art awards in video games. Have you addressed anything about the OP link other than where it came from? No. Why not? Actually, the video and the clips it showed was rather well done. However, it is easy to just look at what was on the market and had mass appeal and then present those for an art award. Eve may some day gain recognition from some program like this. Whether that would be a good thing is debateable.
Because, they've been brainwashed by Fox News and the Conservative Right has gone MUCHO extremo in the past few years, with their politicians bludgeoning the biggest most absolutely nonsensical bullshit I've ever seen. Not all left wingers are awesome, either, and I tend to agree with certain parts of both conservative/republican viewpoints and liberal/democratic viewpoints, but holy ****, Republicans have gone bat **** crazy. Just look at their current candidates for being the one to run against Obama this year. WTF, did they find these people in the looney bin?
Oh, no, wait, it's just the politicians molding their message to fit the right-wing's nutjobs logic this time... |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
604
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Posted - 2011.12.15 01:32:00 -
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Selinate wrote:
Because, they've been brainwashed by Fox News and the Conservative Right has gone MUCHO extremo in the past few years, with their politicians bludgeoning the biggest most absolutely nonsensical bullshit I've ever seen. Not all left wingers are awesome, either, and I tend to agree with certain parts of both conservative/republican viewpoints and liberal/democratic viewpoints, but holy ****, Republicans have gone bat **** crazy. Just look at their current candidates for being the one to run against Obama this year. WTF, did they find these people in the looney bin?
Oh, no, wait, it's just the politicians molding their message to fit the right-wing's nutjobs logic this time...
If conservatives where everything the extreme liberals think they where, the liberals would all be shot dead by now.
Though there is this nice gem introduced to me not to long ago.
Huxley Vs Orwell
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
166
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Posted - 2011.12.15 01:38:00 -
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holy ****. how the **** did this thread went from bleh thread about a game award to a politics discussion?
you people have too much free time ffs. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
604
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Posted - 2011.12.15 01:40:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:holy ****. how the **** did this thread went from bleh thread about a game award to a politics discussion?
you people have too much free time ffs.
I know right?
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How2FoldSoup
Hull Tanking Elitists
8
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Posted - 2011.12.15 01:56:00 -
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Too bad i didn't make any popcorn.
Great read everyone, its quite entertaining. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
292
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Posted - 2011.12.15 02:16:00 -
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The Liberal vs. Conservative is designed to keep the public in eternal strife so that true political and personal economical agendas can be met while keeping the general population confused and fighting over trivial maters. The fact that news is no longer reported and instead the "news networks" design their programming based on what brings in watchers.
MSNBC = Liberal Lefters FOX News = Conservative Right Wingers
Both sets of groups are lied to and told what they want to hear and follow the political agenda that supports their party. Not what is actually the truth or open, objective thought.
The real sad thing is, from both sides they argue that freedom of speech, thought and press are at the core of what makes America so great.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Dorian Tormak
P0ON
2
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Posted - 2011.12.15 02:20:00 -
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Guys guys guys,
Games aren't meant for talking about RL politics, guys... that's why we've got in-game politics.
Video games are meant for partying, having fun, they're about sex and violence and drugs and uber-culture.
Talking about poliitics on a game forum is like... starting a moronic argument at a party...
Thereby killing the party.
Which makes you a party-pooper.
So instead of talking about your itty bitty economic science or whatever the **** you're gonna start talking about, do a little bit of philosophy, smoke a jeffrey and stroke the furry wall. And do some pvp.
Otherwise it's gonna be a sausage-fest up in here,
and you'll go to bed alone.
WTF this post doesn't make any sense...
Or does it? ...."and I've been fighting back ever since...." |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
605
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Posted - 2011.12.15 02:31:00 -
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Well when you start involving politics in the affairs of video games such as bann hamemring and sue fest like it is in austrialia or that one stupid ex floridian laywer.
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Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2011.12.15 02:35:00 -
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Holy crap, I wish I could downvote threads on this forum. |
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Selinate
161
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Posted - 2011.12.15 02:40:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:If conservatives where everything the extreme liberals think they where, the liberals would all be shot dead by now. Though there is this nice gem introduced to me not to long ago. Huxley Vs Orwell
Gay soldier gets booed at a republican debate after asking if they would reverse Don't ask don't tell, even though he's currently serving in Afghanistan. JUST BECAUSE HE'S GAY.
Applause and cheers following an emphatic "YEAH!" from the crowd erupts at a republican debate when the host asked one of the candidates if a person should simply die if they have a curable fatal disease because they don't have health insurance.
I'm sorry, did I miss something? It's disgusting. Again, I'm not really democrat or republican in terms of ideals, but WOW, just wow. All I have to do is turn on a republican debate and just sit in awe of the absolute stupidity of what the candidates say just to please the extremists who sit in the crowd...
Any who, I give up on this, it always ends the same with some right-wing nut job spewing out conspiracy theories about the liberal media and something that sounds a lot like cold war propaganda.
On topic with the thread, Eve's art is terrible for the most part, especially compared to those games, so I agree with leaving it off the list... |
Aggressive Nutmeg
51
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Posted - 2011.12.15 02:46:00 -
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Ignoring lay person, mainstream characterisations of political issues.
EVE art isn't that fantastic. It's a bit sparse and minimalist, if anything. Why is anyone surprised it's not winning awards? I prefer it this way. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
606
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Posted - 2011.12.15 02:52:00 -
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Ahem any sexual relations in the military with another person on the job or on military property is a dissimissable offense. Ask all those heterosexual incidents on the job and how long they get to stayed afterwards, not a single one of them.
In an ideal world health insurance wouldnt be needed to pay for bodily repairs. Paying out of pocket would be feasible and sufficent..
Now incarna and dust are likely to win more art awards than eve sadly.
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Nahrud Zirud
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.15 02:53:00 -
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to be fair i hate to tell you but eve isnt the best art in the industry. it is in the top 20 for sure but it isnt the best. sorry about your bubble btw |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2011.12.15 02:54:00 -
[45] - Quote
sodrunk.com? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
298
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Posted - 2011.12.15 02:57:00 -
[46] - Quote
Remember:
If you don't take an interest in politics, the politicians will take in interest (in robbing) you.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
416
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Posted - 2011.12.15 04:24:00 -
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Whats MSNBC? I thought that we had stopped calling it MSN and were calling it Windows Live Messenger now. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
6
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Posted - 2011.12.15 05:31:00 -
[48] - Quote
You all live with your a$$es up your head. The Empire still rules the waves, anyone else who has never been a nation of this Empire are on the outside looking in. Any nation that tries to challenge our supremacy will be squished.
Have a nice day. |
Nullbeard Rager
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2011.12.15 05:39:00 -
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First Lieutenant Dan wrote:Nice try, 4/10. Almost a 6/10, but I caught you early before the bridge tolls could be collected.
It took eve 7-8 years to do what these guys did in less than 2. MOTHERFUCK yourself. Knee arrows and crazy chick > Space dolls.
Give me your candy plz.
I've got ice cream...
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First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2011.12.15 05:43:00 -
[50] - Quote
WHERE D:? |
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First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2011.12.15 05:50:00 -
[51] - Quote
You've gotten me pondering life. Best part of movie? 1:30 to 1:32 Play it over and over again and you will smiles. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2061
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Posted - 2011.12.15 06:10:00 -
[52] - Quote
I'm sorry for going on topic butGǪmkint wrote:+1 for focusing on art instead of graphics -1 for focusing on cutscenes and trailers rather than gameplay
Has CCP really done anything about it's art in the past few years? All I'm seeing is graphics. GǪyes, a lot of the post-trinity model and texturing updates were also art updates.
We've gone from a technicolour universe into one that's more dark and brooding, with a more consistent theme in the looks of the empires, and a sliding scale of GÇ£darknessGÇ¥ to represent how you move away from the civilised areas. Also, some of the model updates have moved (ever so slightly) towards more defined shapes for each faction GÇö Caldari have become more solid bulk and (yes) more symmetrical; Gallente have become even more curved than before; Amarr have become (again, ever so slghtly) more about large, sharply defined surfaces; MinmatarGǪ haven't change much GÇö maybe a tendency to go for more/smaller solar panels and pieces of scaffolding, rather than the big and very obvious bits they had before.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.12.15 06:17:00 -
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So what exactly is the video about? PI Profit Calculator: calculates your profits and taxes of any PI product depending on how you built them! |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
223
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Posted - 2011.12.15 06:37:00 -
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Any amount of eye-candy does not define the playability and longivity of a PC or console game. Sure, it's great to see and say "Wow, that looks awesome!" but seriously now, you play a game like that for what, at most, 6 months if that at all.
Eve may not have the eye-popping eye-candy of modern games, but the interaction, the playability, those are the important success factors.
Long live EvE.
(As for the political discussion in this thread, Holy Mother of God!!)
o/ The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Geoscape
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.12.15 06:39:00 -
[55] - Quote
What's this thread about? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
298
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Posted - 2011.12.15 07:27:00 -
[56] - Quote
My theory is that this game nods to that scene from Soilent Green where the old dude is in that big room looking at nice videos and hearing that nice music while he dies.
You got good graphics, nice space music - and you get ganked to it.
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knobber Jobbler
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
12
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Posted - 2011.12.15 09:56:00 -
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Riedle wrote:Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it. Do you know how I know your European? Because you fail to understand the difference between today's statist, victimhood, life owes me a living 'liberals' and yesterdays more libertarian bent true liberal that was in favour of everything pretty much as long as it didn't hurt anyone else. In America when they mention the word 'liberal' they are talking about the former NOT the latter as you seem to refer them to. Read up and keep up and you will be able to determine these nuances yourself and not embarass yourself in public with gross stereotyping a nation of 320 million people purely because of your arrongance on the subject. Riedle
They sound like arch conservatives than liberals. The only people who ever want to ban anything are either far right or far left because it conflicts with there view of the world; usually those on the right more than the left.
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Gealbhan
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
94
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Posted - 2011.12.15 10:09:00 -
[58] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:For all you non americans there are 5 political flavors to be found and a mix of each.
1 Extreme Conservatives - These mostly made up americans are the imagination of most liberals as people who would like to keep things like they where in 1800s. Liberals often label them as Rascist bigots and rich money bags and just more recently labeled them as domestic terrorists. Popular Example: Westburrow Baptist Church
2 Conservatives - People who generally dont like idea of suffering at the expense of less deserving people. Would rather make everyone work for what they earn. They also know that mankind will never learn its 'lesson' and always prepare for the time it fails its lesson in a very horrible manner, also recently labeled as domestic terrorist. Popular Examples: Glen Beck, Donald Trump.
3 IDGFs - Or independents that lost all faith in the government. Doesn't belive in its policies and definetly cant rely on it to solve thier own problems. Popular Examples: The average American telling Wallstreet Protestors to occupy a desk.
4 Liberals - People who belive mankind needs to learn its lesson and has a chance that could do so and belive in equality however knowing that not everyone is onboard for this they force this idea onto others via taxes and programs. Popular Examples: Wallstreet Protestors (mostly)
5 Extreme Liberals - People who belive in what liberals do to the point that they weave this intricate fantasy of world peace thats unshatterable up and beyond the point of getting killed by the very people that cannot share thier vision. They are also intolerant of anyone but an extreme Liberal. Popular Examples: Chris Mathews (though he may be breaking out of it depends how much more obama disspoints him)
And according to last breakdown from a liberal college in california. 10% in catagory 5 10% in catagory 4.5-4 20% in catagory 2 15% in catagory 1.5-2 5% in catagory 1 and 40% in IDGFs
In reality, most americans unless previewed as total idiots do not sterotypically fall entirely in any of the catagories. Expect most to be a mix between 2-4 leaning to any of the three catagories between.
To note MSNBC is a catagory 5 channel and should not be taken seriously Fox is 1-3 be careful they like to jump the gun on this channel. CNN is 3-2 they at least do some homework. ABC is oddly 3-2 they used to be 2 solely is probably the most american news channel there is. AP is very much a 3 and it should be high on the consideration list. BBC is a mixed bag depending on the topics. Sadder still to get more american news (as in different stories) out of BBC news than all the other american channels.
I'm gonna copy/paste this into a word doc and save it on my hd before it gets nuked by mods. +1 to you. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
316
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Posted - 2011.12.15 10:15:00 -
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American politics are **** and are all the same. They are all ran by what ever special interest groups/lobbyist that contributes "campaign funding". |
Schnoo
The Schnoo
30
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Posted - 2011.12.15 10:16:00 -
[60] - Quote
Regarding art and graphics, EVE's is rather dull tbh, it's got hundreds of systems that only differ in static background pictures. If you've ever watched any sci-fiction series/movies (or even just science fact documentaries) you would've known there's a lot more out there: black holes, multiple star systems, comets, _moving_ asteroids, planetoids, asteroid rings, planet rings, different star classes (not just color), space events (ok, i know some of those are rare, but they sure are fun: black hole gobbling stuff, super novas, gamma ray bursts, comet/asteroid/meteor/planet <-> planet/moon collision), gravitational pull (wouldn't slingshots be fun?), planets that are more than just mini-games (PI) or even worse Sony games (DUST). |
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Ifly Uwalk
Concentrated Evil
52
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Posted - 2011.12.15 11:38:00 -
[61] - Quote
I vote Ron for President. No really.
Ron Jeremy, that is. |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.12.15 13:32:00 -
[62] - Quote
First Lieutenant Dan wrote:Nice try, 4/10. Almost a 6/10, but I caught you early before the bridge tolls could be collected.
It took eve 7-8 years to do what these guys did in less than 2. MOTHERFUCK yourself. Knee arrows and crazy chick > Space dolls.
Give me your candy plz.
Damn you mustache guy! Bring back Blaze and Lux crystals! http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12812-Blaze-L-details.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12832-Lux-L-details.html |
Esu Nahalas
Yote Patrol
0
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:23:00 -
[63] - Quote
Enough!
I'm tired of people who do not understand politics explaining politics. Here it is, explained in 7 minutes by a post-grad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW9dxFrAk-I
And most emphatically, do NOT "like" me. I prefer to remain at zero, because that's who I am. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:33:00 -
[64] - Quote
mkint wrote:+1 for focusing on art instead of graphics -1 for focusing on cutscenes and trailers rather than gameplay
Has CCP really done anything about it's art in the past few years? All I'm seeing is graphics.
I prefer graphics to art..
Ever saw some art from Picasso ? Its horrid, ugly, unbelievable disgusting. Yet its called an great ART. screw it. |
Alara IonStorm
620
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:46:00 -
[65] - Quote
Alice is Psychotically Cute.
The Best kind of Cute.
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Riedle
Paradox Collective
28
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:48:00 -
[66] - Quote
Quote:They sound like arch conservatives than liberals. The only people who ever want to ban anything are either far right or far left because it conflicts with there view of the world; usually those on the right more than the left.
I find a lot today's mainstream conservatives to be much more libertarian than those on the left.
Look at the bans on things in the name of GÇÿhealth and safetyGÇÖ for goodness sakes. They are not coming from the right. Look at the incursions into freedom of speech by the left because someone might say something that is hurtful! ItGÇÖs crazy.
I do agree that there are weirdoGÇÖs on both sides of the political spectrums but the welfare state that was created by leftists is collapsing because it was never sustainable. Look no further than your typical modern leftist statist to blame for what is going on in Europe these days.
Riedle
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Nephilius
Repo.
65
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Posted - 2011.12.15 15:00:00 -
[67] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Lili Lu wrote:Beaches wrote:Also, conservatives can be libertarians or a mix. See: Ron Paul Liberals hate 'liberty' as it were and believe that liberty is a threat to government which is there to make sure people eat, speak and behave properly see: "1984" George Orwell. You know, I don't see crusading leftists on these forums. Why do we see so many crusading right wingers like you? Please, spout this **** somewhere else. The OP was about some dweeb's nominations for art awards in video games. Have you addressed anything about the OP link other than where it came from? No. Why not? Actually, the video and the clips it showed was rather well done. However, it is easy to just look at what was on the market and had mass appeal and then present those for an art award. Eve may some day gain recognition from some program like this. Whether that would be a good thing is debateable. Because, they've been brainwashed by Fox News and the Conservative Right has gone MUCHO extremo in the past few years, with their politicians bludgeoning the biggest most absolutely nonsensical bullshit I've ever seen. Not all left wingers are awesome, either, and I tend to agree with certain parts of both conservative/republican viewpoints and liberal/democratic viewpoints, but holy ****, Republicans have gone bat **** crazy. Just look at their current candidates for being the one to run against Obama this year. WTF, did they find these people in the looney bin? Oh, no, wait, it's just the politicians molding their message to fit the right-wing's nutjobs logic this time...
For the most part, Repubs have taken a page from the Demo playbook from the early 2000s. Besides, its not like the the Demos didn't play along or anything. Honestly, the first step in the right direction is to abolish the party system altogether. But I digress... If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
245
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Posted - 2011.12.15 16:35:00 -
[68] - Quote
um... am I alone is thinking eve online doens't even hold a candle to games like rage and alice?
plus what all has been released in 2011? some rooms? some new normal maps?
I'm sorry I'm as big as an eve fanboy gets, but that list was full of games that have done great art direction. Now if eve had actully released walking in stations, it might of been on that list as the most amazing in game mmo ever, with sic art direction. Sadly, WiS will now come out when every single mmo looks just as good, and people will go, MEH.
To be 100% honest I was beyound impressed they picked such a good set of games. and for Alice to win? brilliant, that game is like a god damn painting you get to live in. Like bastion. But you don't see me complaining that bastion wasn't in that list *rolls eyes* |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
245
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Posted - 2011.12.15 16:36:00 -
[69] - Quote
also ron paul 2012!
:P |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
611
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Posted - 2011.12.15 16:46:00 -
[70] - Quote
Well I hope eves graphics could match its artistic vision but thats a long ways off.
However for an mmo thats about 7 years old I do say its graphics are still pertty good.
Equally just as old WoW Devs admitted they are at the point that they cannot redo the graphics engine anymore and its too late to do anything better than remodels, retexture and reparticle. Which I think is near BS considering how eve did it with trinity.
Other mmos just as old as eve decided it was much better to release '2' instead of amping up the original then again the original games only have 23 pcus these days.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
611
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Posted - 2011.12.15 16:47:00 -
[71] - Quote
Well I hope eves graphics could match its artistic vision but thats a long ways off.
However for an mmo thats about 7 years old I do say its graphics are still pertty good.
Equally just as old WoW Devs admitted they are at the point that they cannot redo the graphics engine anymore and its too late to do anything better than remodels, retexture and reparticle. Which I think is near BS considering how eve did it with trinity.
Other mmos just as old as eve decided it was much better to release '2' instead of amping up the original then again the original games only have 23 pcus these days.
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Kalle Demos
Helix Protocol
2
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Posted - 2011.12.15 16:52:00 -
[72] - Quote
The video loaded the 'best' art for games in 2011
No offence but how can 'space', 'stations' and 'item-icons' even be considered in the top 100?, dont get me wrong eve is pretty and nice to play (when there is reason to play) but winning in art? Nahh, maybe when incarna is in full mode and we as able to jump mid space from **** to ship, maybe but for now EVE doesnt deserve an award for art, maybe content but definitely not art. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
297
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Posted - 2011.12.15 16:56:00 -
[73] - Quote
I didn't read the thread but EVE is neither from 2011 nor does it have mindblowing graphics. Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks. |
Valei Khurelem
Viziam Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:05:00 -
[74] - Quote
The only space game I think is really worthy of an art award to be be honest is Freelancer, those gas clouds were ******* awesome.
That said, this is for 2011 and it's MSNBC :( so they'll just award it to the publisher who screams for attention the most and gives them money.
Beaches wrote:Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it. The liberals I'm talking about wouldn't like the 'harsh world' or 'player-driven economy' parts or the minmatar for that matter, never ending list.
Please get your politics out of EVE, especially when they're misguided and made up propaganda. When Americans started using the word 'liberal' as an insult I'll never know but to make it out as a bad thing when being liberal means you're pretty much open minded and tolerant is just stupid.
Please, please go and get a dictionary and stop watching fox news you silly twats.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Liberal
1. relating to or having social and political views that favour progress and reform 2. relating to or having policies or views advocating individual freedom 3. giving and generous in temperament or behaviour 4. tolerant of other people 5. abundant; lavish: a liberal helping of cream 6. not strict; free: a liberal translation 7. of or relating to an education that aims to develop general cultural interests and intellectual ability |
baltec1
246
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:11:00 -
[75] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:also ron paul 2012!
:P
I read through all the American political babble in the hope someone would post this. |
Myrdraeus Keaunt
Physical Chaos
18
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:15:00 -
[76] - Quote
Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it.
I'm an American as well, and a liberal. I fully agree with your first statement. It's not really "the media" though, it's just language abuse to make a point, and Republicans are simply better at it. Their spin machine works better for some reason and people start accepting what they're saying as truth without reviewing it. Being liberal is a good thing! It's what pulled us up from the dark ages and differentiates us from the ME, conservative systems.
The latter part though...there are some people that call themselves "liberal" that think we need to be protected from bad thinking, art, etc... There's actually more of them on the other side, but they're more concerned about what we do in the bedroom and to whom. The big, bad "violent" video games are seen by some as cultural/moral decay that causes people to go on murderous rampages or something. Some of these people call themselves "liberals", but I agree they're really not. What's funny is that there are at least as many "conservatives" concerned about this stuff but it's somehow been spun into a bad, liberal agenda.
Frankly I agree with some parts of their POV but not the cause. We are a very violent, self-centered culture but it has absolutely nothing with video games. It's probably more the news and stupid ass reality shows than anything else. But make laws to stop it? Except for the massive war machine we're all excited about...no way.
I also think there's an inherent imbalance that's completely backward when comparing violence and sex in our culture. Sex is BAD BAD BAD. Show one nip and everyone freaks out like they've never seen it before. Tear a woman in half in a video game though....that's a protected expression of art that can't even be labeled as having "graphic content" and requiring parental consent to purchase. Our laws about sex and our obsession with keeping body parts hidden is fairly disturbed in my opinion, especially when compared to what we accept as normal, acceptable violent displays. If there was a balance here then our children's cartoons would be filled with poop fetish and S&M dungeons.
If anything though, a "liberal" might want EvE regulated so that it couldn't be sold to a 5 year old without an adult present. I don't think any of them are calling for video game *banning*...just don't peddle violence like a drug to the kids. I don't agree with their goals, but I can see their point. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
40
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:33:00 -
[77] - Quote
Don't get me wrong, I still love Eve (even though we sleep in separate beds) but the game's art is hardly award-winning. Ships still clip through planets/asteroids/each other, weapon fire ignores objects in line of sight, and there are a lot of other visual issues that detract from quality.
The models are good, but the way they interact is not. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
156
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:35:00 -
[78] - Quote
OP ignorant fool ignorant fool someone with at least a spark of intelligence
CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
136
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:53:00 -
[79] - Quote
Baraka Saibot wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. American politics confuses me.
No different than Caldari politics. Caldari are just a bit more honest. And us Americans seem to believe we are in a Democracy or some such nonsence. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Galatea Galilei
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:16:00 -
[80] - Quote
Beaches wrote:The liberals I'm talking about wouldn't like the 'harsh world' or 'player-driven economy' parts or the minmatar for that matter, never ending list.
Ah, the imaginary straw-man liberals that conservatives like to rail against. Yeah, they wouldn't like any of that.
But then they're no better than the imaginary conservatives who would see EVE shut down in a heartbeat because it promotes Satanism like all role playing games do, not to mention the whole science fiction aspect (there's a "science" in science fiction, therefore it must be wrong). And don't even get me started on the whole cloning thing! This whole game is so obviously liberal propaganda it's amazing God hasn't destroyed Iceland already for it.
Personally, I try not to worry too much about what each political side's favorite straw-men opponents would like or not like, though. The sad part of politics in America today, though, is that the majority on both sides think the straw-men they've constructed are actually real... |
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Baden Luskan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:42:00 -
[81] - Quote
Baraka Saibot wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. American politics confuses me.
The polotics are easy. Its the uneducated masses who do not do their own research and rather spew what they hear other idiots say that makes things confusing. |
Paragon Renegade
Offensive Logistics Inc
147
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Posted - 2011.12.15 19:45:00 -
[82] - Quote
Baden Luskan wrote: The polotics
The pie is a tautology |
mkint
461
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Posted - 2011.12.15 20:11:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:mkint wrote:+1 for focusing on art instead of graphics -1 for focusing on cutscenes and trailers rather than gameplay
Has CCP really done anything about it's art in the past few years? All I'm seeing is graphics. I prefer graphics to art.. Ever saw some art from Picasso ? Its horrid, ugly, unbelievable disgusting. Yet its called an great ART. screw it. Worst. Example. Ever.
1) review PIcasso's work from the breadth of his entire career. 2) review Picasso's explanations for his most criticized work (mostly done in the middle of his career) and what he was working to accomplish
Picasso painted the way he's famous for because he earned the right. He did photo realistic stuff and realized that wasn't effectively communicating a message. He started his "paint what's actually there, not just what the eye sees" phase, and then moved on to his "express essential emotions through stick figures" phase before he died. CCP's art was eccentrically appealing in the old days, not really ground breaking, but appropriate. Then the art director stepped in and with a message of corporate conformity and the pursuit of sales. The art director is there elbow to elbow with Hilmar saying Sales are more important than Quality.
For those reasons alone, EVE does not deserve to be on any "best art" lists. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
136
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Posted - 2011.12.15 20:34:00 -
[84] - Quote
Good thread! I predict it will be locked any minutes for lack of suck! -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Valei Khurelem
Viziam Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2011.12.15 21:41:00 -
[85] - Quote
Lord Ryan wrote:Good thread! I predict it will be locked any minutes for lack of suck!
It does seem an annoying trend on community sites nevermind gaming forums that any thread that gives some proper debate or has good ideas in it is either ignored or locked by moderators :( |
Ralnik
Alpha Squad
4
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Posted - 2011.12.15 21:49:00 -
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Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down.
Myxx wrote:Shhh, let them think they're important. Don't tell them about EVE. They'd try to have it shut down in a heartbeat.
Seriously are you both this freaking stupid? I mean really? |
Riedle
Paradox Collective
29
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:09:00 -
[87] - Quote
Quote:Please get your politics out of EVE, especially when they're misguided and made up propaganda. When Americans started using the word 'liberal' as an insult I'll never know but to make it out as a bad thing when being liberal means you're pretty much open minded and tolerant is just stupid. Please, please go and get a dictionary and stop watching fox news you silly twats. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Liberal[b]1. relating to or having social and political views that favour progress and reform 2. relating to or having policies or views advocating individual freedom 3. giving and generous in temperament or behaviour 4. tolerant of other people 5. abundant; lavish: a liberal helping of cream 6. not strict; free: a liberal translation 7. of or relating to an education that aims to develop general cultural interests and intellectual ability
Seriously, you are not this dense are you?
A dictionary definition of liberalism? You do know the meaning of nuance do you not? Today's liberals are not classical liberals in any way shape or form. Today's liberals are statist, victimhood liberals not sharing much of anything in common with this classical definition of liberalism. They are in favour of pretty much any government regulation that restricts our freedoms not enhance them.
Of course if you were even vaguely aware of politics you would know this. As well, if today's liberals adhered to this definition then the word liberal would not have the negative connotations that is assciated with it today.
Do some research - a dictionary definition doesn't cut it. (lol) |
Valei Khurelem
Viziam Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:25:00 -
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I know what YOUR version of being liberal is and you're wrong, the only different version of liberals that exists has been planted in your heads at a young age and you're too witless to understand that. I have only seen one proper example of a word or ideology that has been hijacked by a different ideology or political party and that is the Republican party being taken over by homophobic, god fearing, muslim hating, warmongering and adultering neo-conservative morons like some of the people posting on these boards.
And didn't I tell you to keep your ******** politics out of EVE? Now look what you've made me do :( this thread is probably going to go on about 10 more pages now thanks to my rant. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
305
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:44:00 -
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American Liberals don't liberate and have not done so since 1776.
American conservatives have yet to actually conserve anything except government.
Tomorrow is Bill of Rights Day - and today they are going to sign into law (codify - they are are already doing it) the ability to use the Army in the US to detain people without charges, legal representation, or a trial, for an indefnate period. All it takes is a decree from the executive branch - no evidence required.
This whole argument may well be moot. We are arguing about the political system of a dead nation. |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:53:00 -
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Riedle
Paradox Collective
32
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:57:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:I know what YOUR version of being liberal is and you're wrong, the only different version of liberals that exists has been planted in your heads at a young age and you're too witless to understand that. I have only seen one proper example of a word or ideology that has been hijacked by a different ideology or political party and that is the Republican party being taken over by homophobic, god fearing, muslim hating, warmongering and adultering neo-conservative morons like some of the people posting on these boards.
If you were to do some research you would see that I am correct and maybe then you wouldn't be so angry and wouldn't need to insult your betters.
Do you think I have been brainwashed? Is that what you tell yourself when anyone disagrees with you? lol That is a sign of egotism by the way.
While we are shattering stereotypes i am a Canadian. lol The brainwashing must go across the border I suppose. lols |
Beaches
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:04:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:American Liberals don't liberate and have not done so since 1776. American conservatives have yet to actually conserve anything except government. Tomorrow is Bill of Rights Day - and today they are going to sign into law (codify - they are are already doing it) the ability to use the Army in the US to detain people without charges, legal representation, or a trial, for an indefnate period. All it takes is a decree from the executive branch - no evidence required.This whole argument may well be moot. We are arguing about the political system of a dead nation.
I'm a long time believer in the fallacy of democracy. It can work in a homogeneous city-state like Athens with voter restrictions, but never in a nation of hundreds of millions of different people. Most aren't able to clump two ideas next to each other, let alone decide how a nation should be ruled. What happened in 2008 is a perfect example of how through their ignorance and inability they fail fundamentally in their task. The main thing most of them knew about Obama was that he was black, and everyone knows he couldn't have possibly won if he was the same person but white. (even over Hillary Clinton?) Just sad and pathetic, the American people disgust me, the mobs throughout the world are disgusting. F U fickle masses |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:16:00 -
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Beaches wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:American Liberals don't liberate and have not done so since 1776. American conservatives have yet to actually conserve anything except government. Tomorrow is Bill of Rights Day - and today they are going to sign into law (codify - they are are already doing it) the ability to use the Army in the US to detain people without charges, legal representation, or a trial, for an indefnate period. All it takes is a decree from the executive branch - no evidence required.This whole argument may well be moot. We are arguing about the political system of a dead nation. I'm a long time believer in the fallacy of democracy. It can work in a homogeneous city-state like Athens with voter restrictions, but never in a nation of hundreds of millions of different people. Most aren't able to clump two ideas next to each other, let alone decide how a nation should be ruled. What happened in 2008 is a perfect example of how through their ignorance and inability they fail fundamentally in their task. The main thing most of them knew about Obama was that he was black, and everyone knows he couldn't have possibly won if he was the same person but white. (even over Hillary Clinton?) Just sad and pathetic so shallow, almost racist in its reverse racism, the American people disgust me, the mobs throughout the world are disgusting. F U fickle masses
Well mam(lol yeah right), since I am highly qualified and as a matter of fact, I have a degree in the field, I recommend you take a dose of tissue 2 times ( twice ) daily until your box is empty or otherwise directed by your doctor or pediatrician.
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Landrae
Blood Angel Asylum
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:38:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:We'd just launch a massive campaign on their asses. Bring down MSNBC!
Call in el anonymous? Roses are red, Violets are blue, I have a gun, Get in the van. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
246
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Posted - 2011.12.16 07:14:00 -
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We're still talking about politics? seriously?
fing, it's just some people talking about games they think are pretty, and you're upset eve isn't there.
well suck it up eve doesn't deserve it this year.
also it's all about this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fHfdSi-GDo |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
341
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:21:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
34
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:26:00 -
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Came in looking for something eve related, left with a bitter tasty of human-lizardmen slavery system rant and politics ...
I bask in the Chaos of this thread! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
566
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Posted - 2011.12.17 21:36:00 -
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"Nominations for best art direction 2011". Two problems with that.
First, art direction. EVE strives for as much realism as possible, and while they could hope to win some design awards for whatever other categories they might want to like, "art direction" is not exactly one of them. Then again, they included TES5:Skyrim in the lineup, so that might not be that much of a problem as it first looked like.
Second, for 2011. Last I checked, EVE is not a 2011 game, nor did they radically shift the "art look" in 2011. Not enough to be a contender even technically anyway.
So, bottom line, you're complaining EVE was not nominated in a category of a certain award they don't belong into in the first place ? http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
66
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Posted - 2011.12.18 05:44:00 -
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Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those conservative idiots would have this game shut down.
Fixed.
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
66
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Posted - 2011.12.18 05:45:00 -
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Buzzmong wrote:Beaches wrote:MSNBC? Thank your lucky stars they haven't. Those liberal idiots would have this game shut down. Do you know how I know you're an American? For some reason you chaps have a very weird idea about liberal people, probably the fault of your mass media or schools, but you seem to think they're out to get you. In short, anyone who is actually properly liberal wouldn't bat an eyelid about Eve, infact they'd probably encourage it.
^^ And, this ^^
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
66
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Posted - 2011.12.18 05:51:00 -
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Beaches wrote:
The liberals I'm talking about wouldn't like the 'harsh world' or 'player-driven economy' parts or the minmatar for that matter, never ending list.
Those aren't liberals.
Hate to break that to you, but what your owners want you to think = liberal for you to concentrate on hating (so you keep letting them **** you in the arse left, right, and centre), actually are about as far from true liberals as it can get.
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
66
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Posted - 2011.12.18 06:03:00 -
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Beaches wrote:Also, conservatives can be libertarians or a mix. See: Ron Paul Liberals hate 'liberty' as it were and believe that liberty is a threat to government which is there to make sure people eat, speak and behave properly see: "1984" George Orwell.
Oh, for ****'s sake...
Are you just trolling, or are you really that clueless?
By your own definition, the last 40-odd years of American governments have been as "liberal" as they come, then. [/cynicism]
"Liberal: (n.) One who is open-minded, or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established ways" (Mirriam-Webster's online)
In other words, the exact opposite of what you were/are indoctrinated into believing liberals are, by implied definition.
Maybe you should stop spewing other people's overused, generic talking-points and start thinking for yourself for once?
Or just leave your pants-on-head ******** American populist **** for another forum, that would be a nice bonus...
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:00:00 -
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This option has been written into the constitution since day 1.
Quote:Section. 9. The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
His position is laughable. The U.S. government is not conspiring to take your rights. Please read the bill for yourselves.
The bill doesn't give anyone any new power, and does not say that the president can do this in any new circumstances. The whole thing begins with active duty military personnel who are already under this condition, and then it adds new restrictions on how they use it, with things like the classification of combatant vs civilian. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
314
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Posted - 2011.12.18 19:32:00 -
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VKhaun Vex wrote:This option has been written into the constitution since day 1. Quote:Section. 9. The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. His position is laughable. The U.S. government is not conspiring to take your rights. Please read the bill for yourselves. The bill doesn't give anyone any new power, and does not say that the president can do this in any new circumstances. T he whole thing begins with active duty military personnel who are already under this condition, and then it adds new restrictions on how they use it, with things like the classification of combatant vs civilian.
Are you aware that Lincoln invoked those powers and followup cases in the Supreme Court show down the precedents his actions set?
Can you detail rebellion or invasion going on now?
I know, people who like to slob the state knob like yourself will probably say that OWS is a rebellion.
Tell me how banksters getting away with fraud while the Federal Reserve prints money and devalues the currency to bail out the banks is not already a rebellion against the supreme laws of the land.
Tell me how and why the administration first threatened to veto the NDAA and why - do a little research first skippy or you will be called out for being wrong.
I know a lot of people who already know what Article 1, Section 8, L15 is, and ready to carry it out too.
Rebellion and invasion? That already happened. But I expect that you will think the present regime is perfectly legit because stupid people like yourself wanted it.
The Germans wanted "it" in 1933. They got it. The Russians wanted "it" in 1917. They got it.
But I don't want or deserve what you want. All i want is freedom, through respect for the laws that protect life, liberty, and property. And that's for everybody.
Now I will wait for you to pretend that nothing will be abused and that everything is fine. A lot of Jews died expecting only a group shower too. Unless you are one of the elites of their super gophers, you probably don't have the memo or the special "get out of police state free card" either. You are just as ****** as the rest of us.
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2011.12.18 23:47:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Are you aware that Lincoln invoked those powers and followup cases in the Supreme Court show down the precedents his actions set?
Yeah... when there was WAR on our own soil... and only against our enemies. That's a precedent for following the constitution to the letter.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Can you detail rebellion or invasion going on now?
Can you detail a president invoking the power now?
This bill does not invoke anything, it defines what our 'enemies' are, how money is moved, how we prepare for if it were invoked, etc. Read it and calm down. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
315
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Posted - 2011.12.19 01:27:00 -
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VKhaun Vex wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Are you aware that Lincoln invoked those powers and followup cases in the Supreme Court show down the precedents his actions set?
Now I will wait for you to pretend that nothing will be abused and that everything is fine. A lot of Jews died expecting only a group shower too. Unless you are one of the elites of their super gophers, you probably don't have the memo or the special "get out of police state free card" either. You are just as ****** as the rest of us.
Yeah... it was invoked when there was TOTAL WAR on our own soil... and only against our enemies. That's a precedent for following the constitution to the letter and not abusing anything about it. That's exactly how this country is supposed to work. If you don't like it, it's not hard to leave. Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Can you detail rebellion or invasion going on now?
Can you detail a president invoking the power now? Question makes no sense. This bill does not invoke anything, it defines what our 'enemies' are, how money is moved, how we prepare for if it were invoked, etc. Read it and calm down. You do know this bill goes through ANNUALLY right? We've been passing these since before you were born, it's been available without these bills through the constitution since before your father was a hopeful sperm, and you've lived your life without seeing habeas corpus suspended on all of america and our citizens being thrown in jail for nothing by faceless soldiers or whatever undefined horror story you think looms over you today.
"our" enemies? "We've"?
Hello? Were you there?
You write like a statist too.
Here's something to help you out .
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2011.12.19 01:37:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:"our" enemies? "We've"? Hello? Were you there? You write like a statist too. Here's something to help you out .
You're not making sense. You posted statements about precedents, abuse, and implication, and that I have shown are WRONG. You think word games and an article about fascism make you correct now? Apply whatever labels you want. You're still wrong about the implications of this bill, and you're still unable to admit it or argue another step forward. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
315
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Posted - 2011.12.19 01:51:00 -
[108] - Quote
VKhaun Vex wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:"our" enemies? "We've"? Hello? Were you there? You write like a statist too. Here's something to help you out . You're not making sense. You posted statements about precedents, abuse, and implication, that I have shown are WRONG. You think word games and an article about fascism make you correct now? Apply whatever labels you want. You're still wrong about the implications of this bill, and you're still unable to admit it or argue another step forward.
I don't have to convince some statist on the internet who thinks in terms of "we" and "our" when referring to the government. You can go on being a statist, and I will continue to do what I have been doing, and basically, instilling in others the same sense of history that I share here AND then teaching them how to use guns.
That's right, I train people how not to go quietly. These are lawful people who just want to be left alone and have no intention of using force on anybody to get their way.
And will do so until dead. One way or the other.
If I am wrong, no problem. I have a good time, and as long as the rule of law and human rights are respected, nobody gets hurt.
If I am right, you get to say things like "We are losing to those rebels who want liberty!!!1!". "Our drone forces aren't taking out as many families as our military said it could!" and "WE kept those FEMA camps empty so we could go on in the internet and say 'see, there's no martial law", but our plan didn't work".
I wish I was wrong. But you know, having spent a life wondering why Jews didn't get the heck out of Germany before 1938 the latest, and then seeing how blind and stupid people can be to an encroaching and violent state now, it's apparent why, and it seems like they had a lot of people like yourself around telling everybody there's nothing new, and everything's OK.
Whatever the case, no matter how much "our" and "we" you use to apologize for the government, I get my cues not from the likes of you but from people who got their opinions firsthand and wrote about it.
So let's make a deal. You keep misinforming and dissipating, and I will keep informing and training and if I am wrong and wasting my time, I will buy you a case of beer. We'll know eventually who was right.
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2011.12.19 02:05:00 -
[109] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:So let's make a deal. You keep misinforming and dissipating, and I will keep informing and training and if I am wrong and wasting my time, I will buy you a case of beer. We'll know eventually who was right.
Another cute rant Herzog, but misinformation has a much simpler definition than fascist or statist. All you do is drop fire and forget propaganda you can't back up for an instant, and no one is fooled by hyperbole comparisons that don't fit, when you can't argue reality. |
Sardon Darkstar
Tears of Redemption NEM3SIS.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.19 12:43:00 -
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Lewis Black.
And that's all I have to say about that. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
316
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Posted - 2011.12.19 15:45:00 -
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VKhaun Vex wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:So let's make a deal. You keep misinforming and dissipating, and I will keep informing and training and if I am wrong and wasting my time, I will buy you a case of beer. We'll know eventually who was right. Another cute rant Herzog, but misinformation has a much simpler definition than fascist or statist. All you do is drop fire and forget propaganda you can't back up for an instant, and no one is fooled by hyperbole comparisons that don't fit, when you can't argue reality.
I am not really going to argue with you but I thank you for the opportunity to use it as a chance to inform others.
A chance to post stuff like this....
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Nephilius
Repo.
111
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Posted - 2011.12.31 15:07:00 -
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Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote:[quote=Buzzmong]I'm an American as well, and a liberal. I fully agree with your first statement. It's not really "the media" though, it's just language abuse to make a point, and Republicans are simply better at it. Their spin machine works better for some reason and people start accepting what they're saying as truth without reviewing it. Being liberal is a good thing! It's what pulled us up from the dark ages and differentiates us from the ME, conservative systems.
The latter part though...there are some people that call themselves "liberal" that think we need to be protected from bad thinking, art, etc... There's actually more of them on the other side, but they're more concerned about what we do in the bedroom and to whom. The big, bad "violent" video games are seen by some as cultural/moral decay that causes people to go on murderous rampages or something. Some of these people call themselves "liberals", but I agree they're really not. What's funny is that there are at least as many "conservatives" concerned about this stuff but it's somehow been spun into a bad, liberal agenda.
Frankly I agree with some parts of their POV but not the cause. We are a very violent, self-centered culture but it has absolutely nothing with video games. It's probably more the news and stupid ass reality shows than anything else. But make laws to stop it? Except for the massive war machine we're all excited about...no way.
I also think there's an inherent imbalance that's completely backward when comparing violence and sex in our culture. Sex is BAD BAD BAD. Show one nip and everyone freaks out like they've never seen it before. Tear a woman in half in a video game though....that's a protected expression of art that can't even be labeled as having "graphic content" and requiring parental consent to purchase. Our laws about sex and our obsession with keeping body parts hidden is fairly disturbed in my opinion, especially when compared to what we accept as normal, acceptable violent displays. If there was a balance here then our children's cartoons would be filled with poop fetish and S&M dungeons.
If anything though, a "liberal" might want EvE regulated so that it couldn't be sold to a 5 year old without an adult present. I don't think any of them are calling for video game *banning*...just don't peddle violence like a drug to the kids. I don't agree with their goals, but I can see their point.
I can't figure out if you're serious or trolling. Seriously.
If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |
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