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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.06 21:00:47 -
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I have always been a solo player so voice coms have been a non-issue for me, but recently I have been thinking about fleeting up with a few people and I notice there seem to be a lot of corps and FCs that use TS, which seems kind of strange to me.
Back in days of yore (2005) I was in a WOW guild that was originally an FPS guild and consequently used TS, but when I became GM we switched to Ventrilo because all the top guilds on the server used that for raiding. TS was nowhere near the same voice quality and ability to hold low latency with 40 people in the room.
Fast forward to 2016, so now I see FCs in EVE are still using TS. Did something change? Apparently not. According the following article:
Leetspeak Mumle vs Ventrilo vs Teamspeak Assessment
Teamspeak is still just a non-starter as it was in 2005. So, what is the deal? I kind of thought EVE players were big spenders, or at least bigger spenders than WOW players, so the cost should not be an issue. Maybe its a culture thing, oh, we like inferior voice coms for nostalgic reasons? What's the rationale? |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.02.06 21:04:45 -
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Nothing wrong with TS3
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.06 21:08:27 -
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The only strange thing about it is that TS3 requires a license or a licensed host to run, where Mumble can be installed on your own hardware without paying anyone. Other than that TS3 works just as good as any of the alternatives.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.06 21:08:57 -
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Ohhhhh nice,
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2016.02.06 21:45:44 -
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Droidster wrote:What's the rationale? It doesn't actually make any difference.
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Anneke van Giersbergen
Celestial Effect Interstellar Expansion
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:04:23 -
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TS3 servers can be controlled more using AUTH vs. API checking, forcing members to actually sign up for their servers with an API. This prevents spais, but lately I've seen a lot of low/null corps not even bothering with them, and just assigning server/room passwords that change often.
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beakerax
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:04:36 -
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No matter which VOIP software you choose you will still suffer latency and artifacting from the analog to digital conversion, compression, and conversion back. For really clear comms, you have to get a physical connection. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:05:12 -
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TS3 is really easy to set up and use. And that's all that matters.
It may not be the best choice when it comes to sound quality, latency, bandwidth use, scalability and price, but those things simply don't matter for most corps/fleets.
If I have a choice, I will always choose Mumble/Murmur - open source supremacy and all. But using TS3 surely doesn't hurt. Ventrilo is dead. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:22:59 -
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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:30:50 -
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Neuntausend wrote:TS3 is really easy to set up and use. And that's all that matters.
It may not be the best choice when it comes to sound quality, latency, bandwidth use, scalability and price, but those things simply don't matter for most corps/fleets.
If I have a choice, I will always choose Mumble/Murmur - open source supremacy and all. But using TS3 surely doesn't hurt. Ventrilo is dead.
Yeah, I did some additional research, and apparently TS3 has at least decent voice quality now and I guess latency does not matter as much in EVE as it did in WOW.
Mumble looks pretty cool and since it is open source I can install it on my Linux box, so I am trying it out.
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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:45:48 -
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How much exactly does sound quality matter? In my experience TS3 sounds about the same as a phone call if not better. The only exception being ppl with poor mics or other hardware/connection issues in which case no comm software is gonna save them. It's not like we're trying to transmit high fidelity music tracks across comms. "Primary, warp, jump, bail" that pretty much sums it up. TS sounds a heck of a lot better than most comms I used in the military and ppl on our TS last night had no trouble hearing my son crying in the background from the opposite side of my house so obviously the quality isn't that bad so.... I think it's good enough for EvE fleets.
Mumble is a pita when you're setting up fleets, especially public fleets. TS3 wins hands down for speed and ease of use alone. Perhaps instead of reading "reviews" you should just jump in a fleet on comms and see for yourself. Worrying about pin drop sound quality on fleet comms is kinda like demanding l33t 4k resolution to play eve on a 15inch monitor.
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Justice Forever
Astroco Stella Nova
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:46:47 -
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Anyone try out Discord voice comms yet? Seems to be a slack + skype integration |
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:57:35 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:How much exactly does sound quality matter? In my experience TS3 sounds about the same as a phone call if not better. The only exception being ppl with poor mics or other hardware/connection issues in which case no comm software is gonna save them. It's not like we're trying to transmit high fidelity music tracks across comms. "Primary, warp, jump, bail" that pretty much sums it up. TS sounds a heck of a lot better than most comms I used in the military so.... I think it's good enough for EvE fleets.
Mumble is a pita when you're setting up fleets, especially public fleets. TS3 wins hands down for speed and ease of use alone. Perhaps instead of reading "reviews" you should just jump in a fleet on comms and see for yourself.
Cell phone quality is actually really bad, typically around 8k bps. Old landline phones have better quality than that. Ventrilo in the old days was CD-quality sound which it achieved using a proprietary compression algorithm. I would think TS3 is probably at least 16k bps or better. I know Mumble advertises sound quality up to 64kbps which is HD-quality sound, the full range of human and animal hearing. At those level, the quality of the microphone and speakers become the controlling factors.
As for the "why", it is critical so you can detect that little quiver in the voice of the corp thief as he tries to palm some lie off on you.
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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
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Posted - 2016.02.06 23:00:14 -
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Droidster wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:How much exactly does sound quality matter? In my experience TS3 sounds about the same as a phone call if not better. The only exception being ppl with poor mics or other hardware/connection issues in which case no comm software is gonna save them. It's not like we're trying to transmit high fidelity music tracks across comms. "Primary, warp, jump, bail" that pretty much sums it up. TS sounds a heck of a lot better than most comms I used in the military so.... I think it's good enough for EvE fleets.
Mumble is a pita when you're setting up fleets, especially public fleets. TS3 wins hands down for speed and ease of use alone. Perhaps instead of reading "reviews" you should just jump in a fleet on comms and see for yourself. Cell phone quality is actually really bad, typically around 8k bps. Old landline phones have better quality than that. Ventrilo in the old days was CD-quality sound which it achieved using a proprietary compression algorithm. I would think TS3 is probably at least 16k bps or better. I know Mumble advertises sound quality up to 64kbps which is HD-quality sound, the full range of human and animal hearing. At those level, the quality of the microphone and speakers become the controlling factors. As for the "why", it is critical so you can detect that little quiver in the voice of the corp thief as he tries to palm some lie off on you.
lol, if you say so. Just don't expect corps and fleets with established comms to change because you think they don't have enough kbps.
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Top Guac
Mexican Avacado Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.02.06 23:13:11 -
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Droidster wrote:I kind of thought EVE players were big spenders, or at least bigger spenders than WOW players, so the cost should not be an issue. Maybe its a culture thing, oh, we like inferior voice coms for nostalgic reasons? What's the rationale? What's WOW and why should I care what it's players do? They aren't me, so are hardly important. |
Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2016.02.07 01:55:53 -
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I dont need an all singing all dancing voice comms software package, i just need to be able to understand whats being said. Last fleet 250 people , mumble comms, no lag , no problems. Why should i or the alliance pad someone elses pocket when theres no need?
Nothing wrong with ts apart from the licencing
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
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Posted - 2016.02.07 17:19:32 -
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Oh no. A Ventrilo vs. Teamspeak vs. Mumble thread on our forum.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.02.07 17:29:02 -
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Add a server host I find the amount and ease of control I have with ts3 makes it a far better choice at least than ventrilo I have not done enough worth mumble to comment there
There is also the fact that a lot of people use ts3 in eve meaning when a group decodes to set up a voice servace is more likely they will be familiar with it and so choose it
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J'Poll
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.07 18:48:07 -
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Ooh, look another troll attempt by Droidster
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