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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.04 09:09:39 -
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This is just my opinion and example as an average pve player and a bad/very bad pvp player and also a person with a family and responsibilities. When mission npcs AI was "improved" I already had a few years of EVE, I had my main and an alt in low sec trying to pvp, two accounts for baiting/spying, one account for a logi tune, and a character with a perma-tank dominix to afk lvl4's and SPONSOR ALL OF THE ABOVE. So with the introduction of the improved npc AI my sponsor was useless. I can't see how would the removal of a semi-afk isk farmer benefit the game if it also means the removal of all of the accounts it was sponsoring. At that time I just moved slowly to other games and abandoned EVE. Now I came back, I want to play but like back then, I still have a life, a job, and I still find some time to be very active in game but what good is that if I need to spend it all on making isk? I used to semi-afk missions even at work a bit, when having dinner, or taking a shower. Now what should I do - give up having a life, give up Facebook / YouTube / films just to have the time to make isk and also pvp? I'm posting this only because ccp looks so pathetic now begging for players when it was them who carefully selected only the active players and mock the semi active ones, and since I know that the average player-age in EVE is high, that means that many players have a life and responsibilities or just other stuff to do then being extremely active and careful at what's going on with their characters in game. But after seeing the ships levelled between races and still vargur and kronos get a useless bonus to the fall-off instead of optimal like the already better in dps paladin, I wonder why do I still bother writing all this... And btw, THAT ab bonus on nightmare...........it would have been better off with a structure hp bonus.. ccp = ignorance |
oiukhp Muvila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.04 09:15:17 -
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I have found that in life you have time for only two of any of the below, others may feel different.
Full Time Job College / Post Graduate Social Life Eve Online - Or any other time consuming game Hobby
Eve Online is like a full time hobby, college, or even a job, and many don't have the time to take part.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56340
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Posted - 2016.09.04 09:31:37 -
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I know what you're saying about the recent game changes. Believe me, I'm not too happy about some of them myself.
As for making ISK, I prefer doing exploration compared to running missions. It may not be a steady income but it does have some big payoffs. You might wanna think about alternating game sessions between running missions and doing exploration. Definitely helps to keep the game from getting boring.
I pay a yearly subscription for my account which allows me to not worry about making a lot of ISK. I find it's much more enjoyable that way. My character can keep training up skills and I can log in whenever I want without feeling like I gotta make x amount of ISK per game session.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Keno Skir
819
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Posted - 2016.09.04 09:31:45 -
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Wind you neck in OP, AFK play is a cancer on this game. People like you are a part of MMO's we all accept but don't start thinking of yourselves as a legitimate playerbase.
If you have a job you can choose to pay for your subscription or grind for it, you can't choose to grind for it then blame the game for making you grind though.
Not that i care if you leave the game or not, the less AFK players in space the better.
Gùï> 30 Day Buddy Trial + ISK Bonus & Starting Assistance <Gùï
Feel free to contact me regarding my posts, or my 30 Day EvE Buddy Trials \o/
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Solecist Project
32887
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Posted - 2016.09.04 09:55:49 -
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Troll and fake. Just like the others.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.04 10:40:19 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Wind you neck in OP, AFK play is a cancer on this game. People like you are a part of MMO's we all accept but don't start thinking of yourselves as a legitimate playerbase.
If you have a job you can choose to pay for your subscription or grind for it, you can't choose to grind for it then blame the game for making you grind though.
Not that i care if you leave the game or not, the less AFK players in space the better.
You miss my point. My life doesn't allow me to be the active payer YOU and CCP wants but it really looks like at least ccp is missing those players like me and I think they even wonder what did they ever do wrong. And God forbid that YOU miss me... or wait, do you miss those noob pvpers that you used to find in low sec and even null? |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1197
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Posted - 2016.09.04 11:05:29 -
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I'd love CCP to get rid of multiboxing. It's a cancer to the game. Since this will not happen for various reasons, I'm happy they did what they did to get the worst excesses under control.
Remove insurance.
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.09.04 11:07:45 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:I'd love CCP to get rid of multiboxing. It's a cancer to the game. Since this will not happen for various reasons, I'm happy they did what they did to get the worst excesses under control.
You'll find yourself with max 5000 players online at peak times. |
Serene Repose
2865
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Posted - 2016.09.04 11:08:33 -
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You had me till "afk...level IVs...."
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We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
413
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Posted - 2016.09.04 11:09:42 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Troll and fake. Just like the others.
I have to agree with sol in this one. Looking at the OP's posting history it looks like some of the other posters that have been popping up in the last couple of days with similar troll posts as a result of the alpha & omega clone changes.
Character sold on the bazaar. My guess would be it was sold to a SP farmer and is just being used to troll like the others ... |
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Serene Repose
2865
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Posted - 2016.09.04 11:27:04 -
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The problem with calling these "trolls" is, they are OPs. They aren't posts trying to circumvent or redirect an ongoing conversation by adding inflammatory language, factual inaccuracies or downright lies. By definition of the word "troll" an OP can't qualify.
Then again, the word "troll" is misused by the youth of today who heard what it means from some other youth of today who had no clue what the word means, and it's come to be (to them) "anyone who posts anything I don't like." This accusation here obviously falls into that category and is thus a self-indictment of the one who made it. (Big surprise there.)
Yes, there's a group of people hoping to launch stealth "the changes are poison" threads. That's how gaming is. You should have seen the Star Wars forum when they were told their game was being discontinued and replaced by SWTOR. They threatened law suits. There were a hundred "petitions", a thousand "open letters". Didn't change much, did it?
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
231
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Posted - 2016.09.04 11:28:21 -
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WutFace
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1197
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Posted - 2016.09.04 11:34:17 -
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Tergola wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:I'd love CCP to get rid of multiboxing. It's a cancer to the game. Since this will not happen for various reasons, I'm happy they did what they did to get the worst excesses under control.
You'll find yourself with max 5000 players online at peak times. Maybe. But, so what ? Number of characters online != number of players online.
Remove insurance.
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Caleb Seremshur
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
851
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Posted - 2016.09.04 11:34:56 -
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And to think OP you could have plugged in barges on all these accounts and spend a couple days a week eating rocks, to what amounts to several billion a day completely vegetable mode. Just fly procurer with some drones. It's not even hard to get the skills up for mining in this way. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17960
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Posted - 2016.09.04 11:44:17 -
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Tergola wrote:This is just my opinion and example as an average pve player and a bad/very bad pvp player and also a person with a family and responsibilities. When mission npcs AI was "improved" I already had a few years of EVE, I had my main and an alt in low sec trying to pvp, two accounts for baiting/spying, one account for a logi tune, and a character with a perma-tank dominix to afk lvl4's and SPONSOR ALL OF THE ABOVE. So with the introduction of the improved npc AI my sponsor was useless. I can't see how would the removal of a semi-afk isk farmer benefit the game if it also means the removal of all of the accounts it was sponsoring. At that time I just moved slowly to other games and abandoned EVE. Now I came back, I want to play but like back then, I still have a life, a job, and I still find some time to be very active in game but what good is that if I need to spend it all on making isk? I used to semi-afk missions even at work a bit, when having dinner, or taking a shower. Now what should I do - give up having a life, give up Facebook / YouTube / films just to have the time to make isk and also pvp? I'm posting this only because ccp looks so pathetic now begging for players when it was them who carefully selected only the active players and mock the semi active ones, and since I know that the average player-age in EVE is high, that means that many players have a life and responsibilities or just other stuff to do then being extremely active and careful at what's going on with their characters in game. But after seeing the ships levelled between races and still vargur and kronos get a useless bonus to the fall-off instead of optimal like the already better in dps paladin, I wonder why do I still bother writing all this... And btw, THAT ab bonus on nightmare...........it would have been better off with a structure hp bonus.. ccp = ignorance
As someone who makes his ISk running L4s, they need pathetically little attention as it is. And that's 0.0 level 4s, never mind hi-sec. I can't conceive that anyone of even mediocre intelligence (such as me) finds current L4 missions remotely challenging. The fact that the rats very occasionally switch targets does not make them "intelligent".
I'll give you a piece advice: CCP is not the one who looks pathetic here.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.09.04 12:01:18 -
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Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE. My point is NO ONE, from ccp to the one-minute-old noob, can benefit from a significantly smaller player base. Less players means: -Less money for ccp -Less noobs to shoot for pvpers -Less noobs to scam -Less miners to gank -Less industry -Less chances to get ganked in my multi-billion golem fit -Less forum warriors Less players means less stuff to do for EVERYONE and that leads to boredom and quitting the game. |
Caleb Seremshur
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
851
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Posted - 2016.09.04 12:03:33 -
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Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE. My point is NO ONE, from ccp to the one-minute-old noob, can benefit from a significantly smaller player base. Less players means: -Less money for ccp -Less noobs to shoot for pvpers -Less noobs to scam -Less miners to gank -Less industry -Less chances to get ganked in my multi-billion golem fit -Less forum warriors Less players means less stuff to do for EVERYONE and that leads to boredom and quitting the game.
Noone gives a **** about your point. That's the point you are missing. |
Serene Repose
2869
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Posted - 2016.09.04 12:06:54 -
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Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE. My point is NO ONE, from ccp to the one-minute-old noob, can benefit from a significantly smaller player base. Less players means: -Less money for ccp -Less noobs to shoot for pvpers -Less noobs to scam -Less miners to gank -Less industry -Less chances to get ganked in my multi-billion golem fit -Less forum warriors Less players means less stuff to do for EVERYONE and that leads to boredom and quitting the game. I didn't miss your point at all. It's not much of a point to begin with, and it certainly isn't something that hasn't been discussed to death here.
As I said, you had me till you cried about you can't AFK run missions. I'm glad you can't AFK run missions. It P-ed me Off you could do it in the first place. I imagine the main problem YOU have with it is drones drawing aggro. Now, you set your drones on aggressive, come back hours later and they've all been dead for hours...having all died minutes after you minimized the game window. Boo hoo for you.
So, you want to characterize your butthurtedness over that as a mass migration of paying customers. However, as has been said time and time again, no such mass migration assertions are supported by the numbers. And, as is always the case in OPs like yours, the influx of new player numbers are noticeably ABSENT from your rather lengthy THEORY.
I know this won't sit right with your imagination of yourself as being a cerebral giant. What happened to my trusty sig....
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2332
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Posted - 2016.09.04 12:15:32 -
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Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE. My point is NO ONE, from ccp to the one-minute-old noob, can benefit from a significantly smaller player base. Less players means: -Less money for ccp -Less noobs to shoot for pvpers -Less noobs to scam -Less miners to gank -Less industry -Less chances to get ganked in my multi-billion golem fit -Less forum warriors Less players means less stuff to do for EVERYONE and that leads to boredom and quitting the game.
This point of view is something that I have too and I only post on this account. I have my opinion on why this happened, but it hardly matters at this point. I think that the change to these F2P clones is a feeble attempt to attract more cannon fodder and is doomed to failure because people will soon realise that they are cannon fodder patsies and see it as a P2W. game.
This post also points out that CCP not addressing this is their biggest issue, and that is it.
So anyway before I was thinking that the player base would evolve into just gankers, griefers, power games and scammers all getting bored because thats all they would end up playing against, but it will evolve into a player base of gankers, grieefers, power gamers and scammers with a transient popultion of low value cannon fodder which will still not be enough to keep the interest of the said gankers, griefers and scammers...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Solecist Project
32893
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Posted - 2016.09.04 12:19:04 -
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Serene Repose wrote:The problem with calling these "trolls" is, they are OPs. They aren't posts trying to circumvent or redirect an ongoing conversation by adding inflammatory language, factual inaccuracies or downright lies. By definition of the word "troll" an OP can't qualify.
Then again, the word "troll" is misused by the youth of today who heard what it means from some other youth of today who had no clue what the word means, and it's come to be (to them) "anyone who posts anything I don't like." This accusation here obviously falls into that category and is thus a self-indictment of the one who made it. (Big surprise there.)
Yes, there's a group of people hoping to launch stealth "the changes are poison" threads. That's how gaming is. You should have seen the Star Wars forum when they were told their game was being discontinued and replaced by SWTOR. They threatened law suits. There were a hundred "petitions", a thousand "open letters". Didn't change much, did it? You're not wrong and I'm not happy about using the word "trolls" ... ... but I can't come up with a better one.
MetaTroll?
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17962
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Posted - 2016.09.04 12:34:28 -
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Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE. My point is NO ONE, from ccp to the one-minute-old noob, can benefit from a significantly smaller player base. Less players means: -Less money for ccp -Less noobs to shoot for pvpers -Less noobs to scam -Less miners to gank -Less industry -Less chances to get ganked in my multi-billion golem fit -Less forum warriors Less players means less stuff to do for EVERYONE and that leads to boredom and quitting the game.
What missions do you find that you cannot "semi AFK" in a "multi-billion golem"?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.09.04 12:42:29 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE. My point is NO ONE, from ccp to the one-minute-old noob, can benefit from a significantly smaller player base. Less players means: -Less money for ccp -Less noobs to shoot for pvpers -Less noobs to scam -Less miners to gank -Less industry -Less chances to get ganked in my multi-billion golem fit -Less forum warriors Less players means less stuff to do for EVERYONE and that leads to boredom and quitting the game. I didn't miss your point at all. It's not much of a point to begin with, and it certainly isn't something that hasn't been discussed to death here. As I said, you had me till you cried about you can't AFK run missions. I'm glad you can't AFK run missions. It P-ed me Off you could do it in the first place. I imagine the main problem YOU have with it is drones drawing aggro. Now, you set your drones on aggressive, come back hours later and they've all been dead for hours...having all died minutes after you minimized the game window. Boo hoo for you. So, you want to characterize your butthurtedness over that as a mass migration of paying customers. However, as has been said time and time again, no such mass migration assertions are supported by the numbers. And, as is always the case in OPs like yours, the influx of new player numbers are noticeably ABSENT from your rather lengthy THEORY. I know this won't sit right with your imagination of yourself as being a cerebral giant. What happened to my trusty sig.... Your sig is absolutely right and even though you think that you can live better without all the people you would include in this "idiocracy", ccp is realising it's surely not good for profit.
Also to Malcanis, dude, I never said I find missions to be difficult, I only said they can't be afk'ed.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1197
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Posted - 2016.09.04 13:56:14 -
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Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE. My point is NO ONE, from ccp to the one-minute-old noob, can benefit from a significantly smaller player base. Less players means: -Less money for ccp -Less noobs to shoot for pvpers -Less noobs to scam -Less miners to gank -Less industry -Less chances to get ganked in my multi-billion golem fit -Less forum warriors Less players means less stuff to do for EVERYONE and that leads to boredom and quitting the game. I pay my sub annually. If I lack the time to play, I don't log in. I don't need to log in just so that everybody feels better about a number. CCP already got my money. I've even missed a couple of months training this year, simply because I could'nt be bothered to log in.
Remove insurance.
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Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2016.09.04 14:04:11 -
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you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed |
Jasmine Deer
Perkone Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2016.09.04 14:05:38 -
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Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE. My point is NO ONE, from ccp to the one-minute-old noob, can benefit from a significantly smaller player base. Less players means: -Less money for ccp -Less noobs to shoot for pvpers -Less noobs to scam -Less miners to gank -Less industry -Less chances to get ganked in my multi-billion golem fit -Less forum warriors Less players means less stuff to do for EVERYONE and that leads to boredom and quitting the game.
Maybe the thought of players afk'ing their way into a multi-billion golem got to me , but I'm a casual player and card carrying carebear and if you are posting with the intention of turning me into a afk-ganker all I can say is "Bravo" because you're doing a damn fine job. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12941
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Posted - 2016.09.04 14:08:05 -
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CCP should probably check behind the sofa for the lost accounts
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2332
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Posted - 2016.09.04 14:16:34 -
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Bumblefck wrote:CCP should probably check behind the sofa for the lost accounts
From the way they act I thought they were only looking behind their sofa...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.09.04 14:27:05 -
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Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way. |
Paranoid Loyd
9518
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Posted - 2016.09.04 14:36:41 -
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Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way. Good GTFO, no one wants you here with this attitude. You dont want to pay real money and you dont want to take the time to make isk in game? So what exactly are you contibuting? If you're not a troll you're a sick ****.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2332
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Posted - 2016.09.04 14:51:21 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way. Good GTFO, no one wants you here with this attitude. You dont want to pay real money and you dont want to take the time to make isk in game? So what exactly are you contibuting? If you're not a troll you're a sick ****.
By the very fact that person was undocking was creating content, surely you know that?
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.09.04 15:22:16 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way. Good GTFO, no one wants you here with this attitude. You dont want to pay real money and you dont want to take the time to make isk in game? So what exactly are you contibuting? If you're not a troll you're a sick ****. When you wrote this I was contributing with something to giving you something to write about. And you probably think "that would have been great! GÇ£ but how about half of the posts you're replied to never had existed, would you have gotten bored then? Many of you have the attitude of" that alliance is now completely dead, hardly anyone even logging in!! We have a bunch of null systems to rat and mine all day with no interference!! GÇ£ but how about if you also don't have anyone to sell your ore and loot in high sec because the same people who were kicking your butt in null sec had industry toons in high sec and were buying your stuff all the time. We are all connected to each other in this game, even the never unlocking scammers in jita, you are wrong to think that's their only accounts. I'm sure the community is not affected if I quit EVE or not, but when many players quit because of the same reason, then it is a big problem for the game and ultimately for ccp's profits. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1130
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Posted - 2016.09.04 16:57:26 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE. My point is NO ONE, from ccp to the one-minute-old noob, can benefit from a significantly smaller player base. Less players means: -Less money for ccp -Less noobs to shoot for pvpers -Less noobs to scam -Less miners to gank -Less industry -Less chances to get ganked in my multi-billion golem fit -Less forum warriors Less players means less stuff to do for EVERYONE and that leads to boredom and quitting the game. Noone gives a **** about your point. That's the point you are missing.
It may be wrong, but I loled.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1130
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Posted - 2016.09.04 17:00:11 -
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Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way.
I've never plexed my accounts on any kind of regular basis. I'd rather spend the ISK I make on
1.) Making more ISK 2) Buying ships so I can explode them 3) Making even more ISK. 4. Occasionally investing in newbros.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
15285
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Posted - 2016.09.04 17:10:10 -
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Making every mechanics pro-active would be a mistake, same as making every mechanics afk.
Industry is by definition afk because of long waiting times. Mining, is semi afk, and making on top of it bonused with proactive, arcady system would be something interesting. Little bits of rare ores mined from usual asteroids for example, but only with targeted UI interface. Same with salvaging. Combat shouldnt be AFK, it should provide risk that could be mitigated with pro-active system.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Keno Skir
824
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Posted - 2016.09.04 18:58:52 -
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Tergola wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Wind you neck in OP, AFK play is a cancer on this game. People like you are a part of MMO's we all accept but don't start thinking of yourselves as a legitimate playerbase.
If you have a job you can choose to pay for your subscription or grind for it, you can't choose to grind for it then blame the game for making you grind though.
Not that i care if you leave the game or not, the less AFK players in space the better. You miss my point. My life doesn't allow me to be the active payer YOU and CCP wants but it really looks like at least ccp is missing those players like me and I think they even wonder what did they ever do wrong. And God forbid that YOU miss me... or wait, do you miss those noob pvpers that you used to find in low sec and even null?
I didn't miss your point it was just wrong. Nothing to see here.
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Beta Maoye
134
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Posted - 2016.09.04 20:18:35 -
[36] - Quote
As the average age of players is raising, many players don't have as much time as before in gaming. Family and job responsibilities become the centre of life. These players want to log on and get some quick actions and log off in 1-2 hours. The game should help players to save time and allow them to do some meaningful activities in relatively short period of time. Some game mechanics like jump fatigue and auto-pilot could be reviewed to reduce tedious works that players need to do to move around.
In the long run, the game should spend more effort to cater the needs of aging population that has less time for playing games. Tedious gameplay that players feel 'wasting' their time is a negative feature to players. |
Serene Repose
2885
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Posted - 2016.09.04 21:33:12 -
[37] - Quote
Tergola wrote: Your sig is absolutely right and even though you think that you can live better without all the people you would include in this "idiocracy", ccp is realising it's surely not good for profit. In many cases you can live better without the idiocracy but when "idiocracy" prepares your food, you better be nice to them because they can spit in it or even wipe their genitals with it.... Lord have mercy. I prepare my food. I don't go to fast food joints. In fact, I live with a 5-star chef who doesn't go to fast food joints, either. In fact, there is no place in my life where I cross paths with the idiots. I'm sorry you don't have the imagination, or the skills to arrange your own life better, but that being the case, please don't assume (publicly) everyone else shares your chosen fate. This sig is sarcasm, by the way. If an idiot walks behind my car I'll happily forget which pedal is the brake.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2016.09.04 22:49:34 -
[38] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Tergola wrote: Your sig is absolutely right and even though you think that you can live better without all the people you would include in this "idiocracy", ccp is realising it's surely not good for profit. In many cases you can live better without the idiocracy but when "idiocracy" prepares your food, you better be nice to them because they can spit in it or even wipe their genitals with it.... Lord have mercy. I prepare my food. I don't go to fast food joints. In fact, I live with a 5-star chef who doesn't go to fast food joints, either. In fact, there is no place in my life where I cross paths with the idiots. I'm sorry you don't have the imagination, or the skills to arrange your own life better, but that being the case, please don't assume (publicly) everyone else shares your chosen fate. This sig is sarcasm, by the way. If an idiot walks behind my car I'll happily forget which pedal is the brake. You suggest in your post that I'm an idiot and then you say that you don't cross paths with idiots... If you are referring to your real life only than you must be living in a cave on planet Pluto and born straight smart-ass-genius. BTW do you only drive inside your cave? Cuz at least on the motorway I get to meet plenty of idiots..
Anyway, mocking and insulting aside, ccp needs to make room for all of us if they want the cash. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1132
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Posted - 2016.09.04 22:57:01 -
[39] - Quote
Tergola wrote:
Anyway, mocking and insulting aside, ccp needs to make room for all of us if they want the cash.
No, they don't. You don't have to actually give them your money, but they don't have to do anything.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2016.09.04 23:25:35 -
[40] - Quote
Elenahina wrote:Tergola wrote:
Anyway, mocking and insulting aside, ccp needs to make room for all of us if they want the cash.
No, they don't. You don't have to actually give them your money, but they don't have to do anything. They are begging for players even in their blog, they even mentioned their servers and that means they made made such an investment because they were expecting more players. |
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Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
453
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Posted - 2016.09.05 00:08:40 -
[41] - Quote
Tergola wrote:This is just my opinion and example as an average pve player and a bad/very bad pvp player and also a person with a family and responsibilities. When mission npcs AI was "improved" I already had a few years of EVE, I had my main and an alt in low sec trying to pvp, two accounts for baiting/spying, one account for a logi tune, and a character with a perma-tank dominix to afk lvl4's and SPONSOR ALL OF THE ABOVE. So with the introduction of the improved npc AI my sponsor was useless. I can't see how would the removal of a semi-afk isk farmer benefit the game if it also means the removal of all of the accounts it was sponsoring. At that time I just moved slowly to other games and abandoned EVE. Now I came back, I want to play but like back then, I still have a life, a job, and I still find some time to be very active in game but what good is that if I need to spend it all on making isk? I used to semi-afk missions even at work a bit, when having dinner, or taking a shower. Now what should I do - give up having a life, give up Facebook / YouTube / films just to have the time to make isk and also pvp? I'm posting this only because ccp looks so pathetic now begging for players when it was them who carefully selected only the active players and mock the semi active ones, and since I know that the average player-age in EVE is high, that means that many players have a life and responsibilities or just other stuff to do then being extremely active and careful at what's going on with their characters in game. But after seeing the ships levelled between races and still vargur and kronos get a useless bonus to the fall-off instead of optimal like the already better in dps paladin, I wonder why do I still bother writing all this... And btw, THAT ab bonus on nightmare...........it would have been better off with a structure hp bonus.. ccp = ignorance When I first started playing this game back in August 2013, you were the type of player I hated. As a newer player, I couldn't compete with the likes of you and it irritated me more since I knew most of you were not even sitting there at your keyboard while I was glued to mine.
Any afk or botting gameplay (and I don't see a difference between the two) is the cancer of most MMOs and I am also estatic to see that CCP is trying to do something to limit their play. They still have a long way to go but you don't get special treatment or recognition because your cash cow has died. I don't have any sympathy for you.
There are others who try their best to juggle real life and Eve. You are no different than many other players but they either leave Eve or adapt their play style to compensate. Don't expect CCP to change their stance on this.
If you decide to leave, can I haz your stuffz and isk?
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2016.09.05 02:09:30 -
[42] - Quote
Morgan Agrivar wrote: When I first started playing this game back in August 2013, you were the type of player I hated. As a newer player, I couldn't compete with the likes of you and it irritated me more since I knew most of you were not even sitting there at your keyboard while I was glued to mine.
Any afk or botting gameplay (and I don't see a difference between the two) is the cancer of most MMOs and I am also estatic to see that CCP is trying to do something to limit their play. They still have a long way to go but you don't get special treatment or recognition because your cash cow has died. I don't have any sympathy for you.
There are others who try their best to juggle real life and Eve. You are no different than many other players but they either leave Eve or adapt their play style to compensate. Don't expect CCP to change their stance on this.
If you decide to leave, can I haz your stuffz and isk?
The usual "I hate you because I can", there are and have been devastating wars about it, because in some people's minds their kind is the only important and all the others should just die because they are of no importance. Maybe in your small perfect world you don't see the importance of my kind of players but ccp surely misses us because we were keeping many accounts active. As for my stuff, I sold most of my characters and all my multi-billion fits to buy enough game time so I can watch this snake island until the end while I play other games. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
707
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Posted - 2016.09.05 02:29:20 -
[43] - Quote
Another botter / AFKer gone?
Bye & good riddance.
I want to play against real people. Less influx of automated income means an increase on ATK income. |
Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
455
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Posted - 2016.09.05 02:31:58 -
[44] - Quote
Tergola wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote: When I first started playing this game back in August 2013, you were the type of player I hated. As a newer player, I couldn't compete with the likes of you and it irritated me more since I knew most of you were not even sitting there at your keyboard while I was glued to mine.
Any afk or botting gameplay (and I don't see a difference between the two) is the cancer of most MMOs and I am also estatic to see that CCP is trying to do something to limit their play. They still have a long way to go but you don't get special treatment or recognition because your cash cow has died. I don't have any sympathy for you.
There are others who try their best to juggle real life and Eve. You are no different than many other players but they either leave Eve or adapt their play style to compensate. Don't expect CCP to change their stance on this.
If you decide to leave, can I haz your stuffz and isk?
...you don't see the importance of my kind of players but ccp surely misses us... Bummer.
But trust me when I say this...you won't be missed.
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2016.09.05 02:36:44 -
[45] - Quote
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Another botter / AFKer gone?
Bye & good riddance.
I want to play against real people. Less influx of automated income means an increase on ATK income. I was real on all my accounts dude, I just didn't pay attention to 1-2 |
Keebler Wizard
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2016.09.05 03:36:32 -
[46] - Quote
Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way.
But hey, guess what. Those accounts that are only plexing, arnt "paying" accounts. The only money CCP got was when the original player bought the plex. (Which also means someone with a subbed account gave CCP MORE money for said plex). So your entire statement is backwards. You leaving would actually be a good thing. Less of a leech on the plex system. |
Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2016.09.05 04:42:33 -
[47] - Quote
Keebler Wizard wrote:Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way. But hey, guess what. Those accounts that are only plexing, arnt "paying" accounts. The only money CCP got was when the original player bought the plex. (Which also means someone with a subbed account gave CCP MORE money for said plex). So your entire statement is backwards. You leaving would actually be a good thing. Less of a leech on the plex system. Are you one of those players who think losing your thorax doesn't cost you anything just because you mined for it? |
Serene Repose
2893
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Posted - 2016.09.05 06:55:08 -
[48] - Quote
Once again a thread that serves only to demonstrate how weird some people are.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1203
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Posted - 2016.09.05 07:00:43 -
[49] - Quote
Tergola wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Another botter / AFKer gone?
Bye & good riddance.
I want to play against real people. Less influx of automated income means an increase on ATK income. I was real on all my accounts dude, I just didn't pay attention to 1-2 That is one of the numerous issues with multiboxing. To the player(s) wanting to interact with you on those 1-2 accounts it doesn't matter if you are not paying attention or afk doing laundry. The effect ist exactly the same.
Remove insurance.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
500
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Posted - 2016.09.05 08:42:06 -
[50] - Quote
Tergola wrote: As for my stuff, I sold most of my characters and all my multi-billion fits to buy enough game time so I can watch this snake island until the end while I play other games.
Please unsub, please leave our community and never return, sell that last account and move on.
you'll feel a lot better.
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2016.09.05 09:01:22 -
[51] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Tergola wrote: As for my stuff, I sold most of my characters and all my multi-billion fits to buy enough game time so I can watch this snake island until the end while I play other games.
Please unsub, please leave our community and never return, sell that last account and move on. you'll feel a lot better. No. |
Solecist Project
32918
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Posted - 2016.09.05 09:58:33 -
[52] - Quote
Tergola wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote: When I first started playing this game back in August 2013, you were the type of player I hated. As a newer player, I couldn't compete with the likes of you and it irritated me more since I knew most of you were not even sitting there at your keyboard while I was glued to mine.
Any afk or botting gameplay (and I don't see a difference between the two) is the cancer of most MMOs and I am also estatic to see that CCP is trying to do something to limit their play. They still have a long way to go but you don't get special treatment or recognition because your cash cow has died. I don't have any sympathy for you.
There are others who try their best to juggle real life and Eve. You are no different than many other players but they either leave Eve or adapt their play style to compensate. Don't expect CCP to change their stance on this.
If you decide to leave, can I haz your stuffz and isk?
The usual "I hate you because I can", there are and have been devastating wars about it, because in some people's minds their kind is the only important and all the others should just die because they are of no importance. Maybe in your small perfect world you don't see the importance of my kind of players but ccp surely misses us because we were keeping many accounts active. As for my stuff, I sold most of my characters and all my multi-billion fits to buy enough game time so I can watch this snake island until the end while I play other games. No one cares about your lies and bullshit. If you wanted to leave you'd be gone already.
Not even CCP wants you.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17995
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Posted - 2016.09.05 10:28:46 -
[53] - Quote
Tergola wrote:Keebler Wizard wrote:Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way. But hey, guess what. Those accounts that are only plexing, arnt "paying" accounts. The only money CCP got was when the original player bought the plex. (Which also means someone with a subbed account gave CCP MORE money for said plex). So your entire statement is backwards. You leaving would actually be a good thing. Less of a leech on the plex system. Are you one of those players who think losing your thorax doesn't cost you anything just because you mined for it?
Are you one of those players who think that you contribute to the game by creating no more interaction than consuming a PLEX that would otherwise have been bought by anoter player for a minutely lower price?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56355
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Posted - 2016.09.05 10:41:14 -
[54] - Quote
Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17997
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Posted - 2016.09.05 10:44:51 -
[55] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
So you're openly defending someone who is rage-quitting because they can't "semi-AFK" hi-sec missions in a Golem?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56355
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Posted - 2016.09.05 10:54:29 -
[56] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
So you're openly defending someone who is rage-quitting because they can't "semi-AFK" hi-sec missions in a Golem? Nope, just making an observation and I didn't get that impression when I read the OP.
Even if they're considering quitting, instead of pushing them to do so, maybe offer some alternative ideas to help make their game play a bit more enjoyable, like first take out all small and medium size hull class NPC's, then launch Drones, sit back and watch them eat up the larger hull class NPC's.
Anyway, doesn't matter much, I'm sure ISD will be along soon.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Solecist Project
32932
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Posted - 2016.09.05 11:23:02 -
[57] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
So you're openly defending someone who is rage-quitting because they can't "semi-AFK" hi-sec missions in a Golem? And he never says something like this when carebears turn hostile...
And let's not forget that he adds nothing of what he thinks everyone else should be posting...
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2016.09.05 11:45:19 -
[58] - Quote
At this point I wonder why did I even try to give a 5h1t. I'll edit the title. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26764
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Posted - 2016.09.05 11:46:28 -
[59] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
Too late, changes made by CCP mean that the game has started to drive away older players.
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
New Player FAQ
Feyd's Survival Pack
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Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
230
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Posted - 2016.09.05 11:53:43 -
[60] - Quote
Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE.
If you are correct and all afk mission runners plexing 5 other accounts with their activity are gone, why hasn't the price of plex dropped significantly?Are the big traders holding vast amounts of piolot licenses so successful in manipulating the market?
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
150
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Posted - 2016.09.05 11:59:08 -
[61] - Quote
Tergola wrote:This is just my opinion and example as an average pve player and a bad/very bad pvp player and also a person with a family and responsibilities. When mission npcs AI was "improved" I already had a few years of EVE, I had my main and an alt in low sec trying to pvp, two accounts for baiting/spying, one account for a logi tune, and a character with a perma-tank dominix to afk lvl4's and SPONSOR ALL OF THE ABOVE. So with the introduction of the improved npc AI my sponsor was useless. I can't see how would the removal of a semi-afk isk farmer benefit the game if it also means the removal of all of the accounts it was sponsoring. At that time I just moved slowly to other games and abandoned EVE.
In short: You left the game because CCP removed your favorite way to earn ISK. And you needed that ISK for your favorite playstyle. No more afk lvl4s = no ISK = no fun for you.
IMHO the real problem was that you were unable to earn enough ISK with your favorite playstyle to keep in running. That made you AFK grind level 4 missions to make up for your PVP loses. But one playerGÇÖs AFK ISK grind is another playerGÇÖs favorite playstyle. BAM - conflict of interests! Better NPC AI is nice for players that actually like to do those missions. Perhaps because they use those NPCs for very patient sparing partners until they feel confident to go against real players. There is a legit demand for better NPC AI while the demand for AFK ISK grind is just a workaround for another problem. They killed your workaround but even if they didnGÇÖt your main problem would have been the same anyway.
Tergola wrote: Now I came back, I want to play but like back then, I still have a life, a job, and I still find some time to be very active in game but what good is that if I need to spend it all on making isk? I used to semi-afk missions even at work a bit, when having dinner, or taking a shower. Now what should I do - give up having a life, give up Facebook / YouTube / films just to have the time to make isk and also pvp?
What kind of PVP are we talking about? Solo, gang, fleet, alliance, highsec gank war or something else? Because I think some ways to PVP are much more expensive than others. And that brings me to the question whether every player should be able to do every playstyle regardless of time and skill involved? Why should I practice and become good in PVP when I could just AFK grind PVE stuff to achieve the same things? Perhaps you should stick to less expensive PVP because you wrote yourself that you were Gǣbad/very badGǥ at PVPGǪ just a thought. What is the point grinding for big ships when you gonna lose them anyway? Practicing your PVP skills should work in most ships.
Tergola wrote: I'm posting this only because ccp looks so pathetic now begging for players when it was them who carefully selected only the active players and mock the semi active ones, and since I know that the average player-age in EVE is high, that means that many players have a life and responsibilities or just other stuff to do then being extremely active and careful at what's going on with their characters in game. But after seeing the ships levelled between races and still vargur and kronos get a useless bonus to the fall-off instead of optimal like the already better in dps paladin, I wonder why do I still bother writing all this... And btw, THAT ab bonus on nightmare...........it would have been better off with a structure hp bonus.. ccp = ignorance
I donGÇÖt think CCP ignore the fact that they are losing some GÇ£semi activeGÇ¥ players. Maybe they just came to the conclusion that AFK grind is the start of a downward spiral and accept some losses in favor of a long-time strategy. GÇ£That game is totally healthy.. it has lots of AFK grindersGÇ¥ doesnGÇÖt have a good ring to it, does it? And I donGÇÖt think they are begging pathetically for new players.. they just adapt to a changing environment. Players come (like myself) and go (like you?) all the time. Can I have your stuff?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18002
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Posted - 2016.09.05 12:08:45 -
[62] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Malcanis wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
So you're openly defending someone who is rage-quitting because they can't "semi-AFK" hi-sec missions in a Golem? Nope, just making an observation and I didn't get that impression when I read the OP. Even if they're considering quitting, instead of pushing them to do so, maybe offer some alternative ideas to help make their game play a bit more enjoyable, like first take out all small and medium size hull class NPC's, then launch Drones, sit back and watch them eat up the larger hull class NPC's. Anyway, doesn't matter much, I'm sure ISD will be along soon. DMC
I'll spell it out for you: there is no ship that can more easily "semi-AFK" hi-sec missions than a Golem.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Sarina Aideron
Aideron Corp
28
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Posted - 2016.09.05 12:09:09 -
[63] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
You must be new to EVE forums.
Theres a good reason why EVE forums are only used by like 0,5% of players. |
Serene Repose
2895
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Posted - 2016.09.05 12:39:01 -
[64] - Quote
Sarina Aideron wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
You must be new to EVE forums. Theres a good reason why EVE forums are only used by like 0,5% of players. You must be oblivious. There are other sections of the forum.
*99.7569302% of all internet stats are made up on the spot*
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2016.09.05 12:47:53 -
[65] - Quote
This Malcanis guy is so funny |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2340
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Posted - 2016.09.05 13:30:19 -
[66] - Quote
Sequester Risalo wrote:Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE. If you are correct and all afk mission runners plexing 5 other accounts with their activity are gone, why hasn't the price of plex dropped significantly?Are the big traders holding vast amounts of piolot licenses so successful in manipulating the market?
In a word, yes...
The fact is that a lot of more casual players especially in hisec left the game, plex prices are one of the reasons for that reduction, there are other reasons too.
Tergola wrote:This Malcanis guy is so funny
He tries too hard at times Just because you mentioned a bling fitted Golem does not mean that you were using that to semi-AFK rat, but I guess it must have tickled him somewhere.
Anyway the first rule of Eve forums, expect to be trolled if you go against the Eve herd think, which you did. I certainly appreciated your post. All the best for your efforts here
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.05 13:37:19 -
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G¼å https://youtu.be/cxo0pSNYMXE
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.09.05 13:49:11 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: That is extremely accurate!
We should spread something like this more often: http://www.2knowmyself.com/why_do_some_people_always_disagree_with_others
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.09.05 13:58:30 -
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I have become very interested in the development of the alt right on the internet, such as 4chan and the like, it is very refreshing to see young people who have shaken off their conditioning and are able to express their opinions without having to conform to group think.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:00:33 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
I normally agree with you, but not in this case :)
I think regardless of the age of a player, if they play AFK they are deserving of 0 respect and should be removed.
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:02:44 -
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Gregorius Goldstein wrote:In short: You left the game because CCP removed your favorite way to earn ISK. And you needed that ISK for your favorite playstyle.
Being afk is not a playstyle. One does not play when afk.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:02:52 -
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Oh Malcanis is trolling... Now I understand his semi-afk golem! |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:02:59 -
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Keno Skir wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
I normally agree with you, but not in this case :) I think regardless of the age of a player, if they play AFK they are deserving of 0 respect and should be removed.
AFK cloaky campers? They seem to get a lot of respect from HTFU types...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:03:27 -
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Of course. We've very carefully conditioned our youth to not conform to anything - working as intended. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:09:12 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Of course. We've very carefully conditioned our youth to not conform to anything - working as intended. We have a strictly structured non - antidisestablesnentarianism program in our house, it is progressing well, the children are confirming brilliantly.
Side note, you can tell when someone's read too much Joseph Heller.
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:12:32 -
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Dracvlad wrote:I have become very interested in the development of the alt right on the internet, such as 4chan and the like, it is very refreshing to see young people who have shaken off their conditioning and are able to express their opinions without having to conform to group think. You should know better than throwing this nonsense at me... ... especially because it could be applied to yourself as well.
Look at yourself. You always step in when the dumb people come out of their holes. Not that you are dumb, no. What you're doing, all the ******* time, is trying to come accross as a good person who supports the weak.
What the rest of the world sees, though, is that you are making yourself look just like them.
No one actually perceives you as what you want to be perceived ... ... except for your social circle and those you pick out through selective bias.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:17:13 -
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Keno Skir wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
I normally agree with you, but not in this case :) I think regardless of the age of a player, if they play AFK they are deserving of 0 respect and should be removed. Guys, ok, I'm wrong and my play style is wrong and I should be removed unless I play actively. And I actually thought this when I moved to other games and stopped keeping 6-8 accounts active and kept only 2 just to be a spectator. Considering all the above, adding the fact that ccp has improved the game a lot, tell me, why have accounts dropped in numbers in the last few years? I'm not saying that my reason is the only reason accounts have dropped, I'm saying my reason it's surely the reason for many other players and that surely adds up to perhaps some others factor. |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:20:56 -
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Is this now what's called "moving the goalpost" ?
I'm never sure.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:02:33 -
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Tergola wrote:Considering all the above, adding the fact that ccp has improved the game a lot, tell me, why have accounts dropped in numbers in the last few years? There will not be the one reason but rather a whole bunch of them. That's not making it easier for CCP for obvious reasons.
Here are just a couple of them that come to mind:
- Aging playerbase (rl)
- Many changes in playstyle (like the ones you mentioned) and people unable to adapt
- CCPs focus on group play
- Banning of multipexing
Please note that not all changes are neccessarily bad for EVE's gameplay. Just reasons for not logging in anymore.
Remove insurance.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:08:45 -
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Maybe it's just time for a break; I'm sure you'll pick up your favourite video game after a while. Lord knows I still play doom 1, even gave Gods (yes, the bitmap brother's classic) a good rip again and finally finished The Last Starfighter on an Atari 800 emulator.
This just goes to show ... it's possible to burn out, and come back with a vengeance later on.
We'll be seeing ya! |
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:23:56 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Maybe it's just time for a break; I'm sure you'll pick up your favourite video game after a while. Lord knows I still play doom 1, even gave Gods (yes, the bitmap brother's classic) a good rip again and finally finished The Last Starfighter on an Atari 800 emulator.
This just goes to show ... it's possible to burn out, and come back with a vengeance later on.
We'll be seeing ya! I remember playing DOOM 1 ... ... on a nullmodem cable.
Epic experience!
I remember the Bitmap Brothers. A name guaranteeing high quality games. My favourite was magic pockets. Played the **** out of it! :D
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:25:07 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Tergola wrote:Considering all the above, adding the fact that ccp has improved the game a lot, tell me, why have accounts dropped in numbers in the last few years? There will not be the one reason but rather a whole bunch of them. That's not making it easier for CCP for obvious reasons. Here are just a couple of them that come to mind:
- Aging playerbase (rl)
- Many changes in playstyle (like the ones you mentioned) and people unable to adapt
- CCPs focus on group play
- Banning of multipexing
Please note that not all changes are neccessarily bad for EVE's gameplay. Just reasons for not logging in anymore. Not to forget MCT.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
715
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:46:31 -
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Solecist Project wrote: I remember playing DOOM 1 ... ... on a nullmodem cable.
Epic experience!
I remember the Bitmap Brothers. A name guaranteeing high quality games. My favourite was magic pockets. Played the **** out of it! :D
Yeeap! Never knew about magic pockets (but then again, what I knew came from bulletin board or fishy looking perforated floppies ahahaha)
Now, while I didn't mean to sidetrack the conversation I must confess not only the games themselves, but also the gamers have changed. I intended to play the old classics (not just the way-back-machine Atari arcade but also contemporary titles such as Quake, Starcraft, Tiberium Wars, Mechwarriors or Dark Crusade) - well anyway, I intended to re-play those with my kids, and guess what? They're "too hard".
For a second I feared maybe the graphics might be a downer for them, maybe the fiddling and tweaking required to get them to run, tunneling a fake IPX protocol over UDP or any of that shennanigans; but NO! It wasn't any of that. The games are "too fast", the computer AI is "too hard", the waves come "too soon" and when they make a boo-boo they're quite suckered and have to restart.
The audacity!
Makes me wonder... since when do 10 year olds not like Arcade? I anticipated me being rusty and my reflexes going downhill they'd be making fun of me but I never imagined they'd rather play Minecraft in creative mode?!?
This worries me. I don't know how or why this came to pass but Player expectations are very different these days- even among the young ones who've never been spoilt by smartphone crap. And, taking the point back to EvE- I think this may be what we're experiencing. The problem is not EvE. Times are a-changing, that's all. I'm happy there's still a game out there for me and I don't care if it's not top-ranked or not 'popular' according to the tabloids.
Hm. Now I forgot what I was harping on about. Ah yes! Magic Pockets; never played it, I'll see if I can snag a download. Thanks for the pointer ma'am! |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:50:47 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Now, while I didn't mean to sidetrack the conversation I must confess not only the games themselves, but also the gamers have changed. I intended to play the old classics (not just the way-back-machine Atari arcade but also contemporary titles such as Quake, Starcraft, Tiberium Wars, Mechwarriors or Dark Crusade) - well anyway, I intended to re-play those with my kids, and guess what? They're "too hard".
For a second I feared maybe the graphics might be a downer for them, maybe the fiddling and tweaking required to get them to run, tunneling a fake IPX protocol over UDP or any of that shennanigans; but NO! It wasn't any of that. The games are "too fast", the computer AI is "too hard", the waves come "too soon" and when they make a boo-boo they're quite suckered and have to restart.
The audacity!
Makes me wonder... since when do 10 year olds not like Arcade? I anticipated me being rusty and my reflexes going downhill they'd be making fun of me but I never imagined they'd rather play Minecraft in creative mode?!?
This worries me. I don't know how or why this came to pass but Player expectations are very different these days- even among the young ones who've never been spoilt by smartphone crap. And, taking the point back to EvE- I think this may be what we're experiencing. The problem is not EvE. Times are a-changing, that's all. I'm happy there's still a game out there for me and I don't care if it's not top-ranked or not 'popular' according to the tabloids.
Hm. Now I forgot what I was harping on about. Ah yes! Magic Pockets; never played it, I'll see if I can snag a download. Thanks for the pointer ma'am!
Are you serious?
Today's "gamers" are a bunch of sissies who need it easy. The industry themselves turned them into a bunch of morons by constantly trying to please them, helping them find the way (notice how seriously linear and boring most games are?) and avoid any actual failures.
Of course they say "too hard", because they're used to easy ****. Teach them that, when they make it, they'll be better than the vast majority of modern gamers. It's people like you and me who can touch any of these modern games and beat them, easily, because they're literally ****. It's not even the modern gamers fault, it's the fault of the industry that manipulates them, tries to address their seriously low self esteem and actually only cares about the money.
Oh and Magic Pocket is one of those "too hard" games. A Jump and Run. It's really fun! Give it to your children and tell them if they reach lvl5 you give them something.
If my memory serves me right, that'll take a good while.
OR EVEN BETTER, LET THEM PLAY COMMANDER KEEN! YOU GET TOUCHED ONCE AND YOU HAVE TO RESTART THE LEVEL!
I loved the **** out of this game.
The absolute BEST you can do is trying to motivate your children away from "LOOK HOW GOOD I AM from playing easy games" to "LOOK! I FINALLY MANAGED TO BEAT IT! from playing actually challenging games". It'll increase their cognitive abilities, their reflexes and their hand-eye coordination.
Maybe we should get together and play some classics! :)
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Keebler Wizard
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2016.09.05 22:08:41 -
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Tergola wrote:Keebler Wizard wrote:Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way. But hey, guess what. Those accounts that are only plexing, arnt "paying" accounts. The only money CCP got was when the original player bought the plex. (Which also means someone with a subbed account gave CCP MORE money for said plex). So your entire statement is backwards. You leaving would actually be a good thing. Less of a leech on the plex system. Are you one of those players who think losing your thorax doesn't cost you anything just because you mined for it?
Dude I make around 5b isk PROFIT a month without touching a single rat or rock. You'd need 10+ miners mining around the clock to supply my operation. Why don't you learn how to play the game before you try and call someone out. |
ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2016.09.05 22:12:38 -
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EVE is Not Easy. Closed at Op owners Request.
~ISD Buldath
Commander
Support, Training and Resources Division
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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